Is Hillary a pathological liar?

[nebula]

How does one sit there and be able to nonchalantly spew lie after bald-faced like that, looking straight into the camera in front of millions of people, all the while with a giant grin on their face? Is this the kind of person we really want in the WH? I don't understand it. Though I guess it would be the same as what we have now with Chimpy and Cheney in there.

[JackORoses]

1. yeah, that's the Ticket!

[casus belli]

2. Which lies are we referring to?

Honest question, I'm wondering if I may have missed an interview or something.

[Saturday]

3. That's only your opinion. Obama was just caught in 2 lies

in the last couple days. Any comments about that? I didn't think so.

[Dogmudgeon]

4. Which bald-faced lies in particular?

Among her blunders and inanities, lying does not figure in.

--p!

[dbackjon]

5. Same lying Bull shitter as obama

All politians lie, all the time.

Your hero is no different.

And frankly, I trust Hillary a HELL of a lot more than I do the homophobama.

[Growler]

11. Obama is not a homophobe

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Selling_gay_rights.html

"An interesting moment came when he was asked a question about LGBT rights and delivered an answer that seemed to suit the questioner, listing the various attributes — race, gender, etc. — that shouldn't trigger discrimination, to successive cheers. When he came to saying that gays and lesbians deserve equality, though, the crowd fell silent. So he took a different tack: 'Now I’m a Christian, and I praise Jesus every Sunday,' he said, to a sudden wave of noisy applause and cheers. 'I hear people saying things that I don’t think are very Christian with respect to people who are gay and lesbian,' he said, and the crowd seemed to come along with him this time."

[dbackjon]

21. His actions say differently.

[Medusa]

33. This is another Clinton propaganda talking point

Clinton and Obama's stances on gay marriage and gay rights are absolutely identical. Where you get this junk is beyond me.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. Yeah, making a speech against homophobia in a predominately black church is so homophobic.

:eyes:

[TahitiNut]

46. It seems that many are somewhat ignorant of the biases in various subcultures.

Speaking out for tolerance and acceptance of GLBT in a black church will meet with just about the same reaction as speaking out for women and choice in a Latino church.

[Skittles]

49. I don't know that Obama himself is a homophobe

but he certainly panders to them.......election stragegy maybe, but it certainly leaves a nasty taste

[IntravenousDemilo]

6. She'd better be -- she's a politician. You don't get very far in politics otherwise. n/m

[nebula]

18. It's sad to see so many of her supporters condoning that kind of behavior.

is it any wonder this country is so fucked up?

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[Mags]

9. You all are so scared to run the race to the end. You have

to result to name calling , saying everything that comes to mind about Hillary. Yet Michelle Obama, and the followers don't want the American people to use Barack's middle name Hussein. How crazy is this. You all are so eager to trash and keep trashing. Don't you get sick of yourselves?

[kimmerspixelated]

12. Touche'!

[cui bono]

16. Wow. You've gotten lost on the internet highway.

Why do all you Hillbots assume I support Obama? Same logic you use to defend Hillary I guess. Faulty.

[saracat]

10. Another sexist rant! And Isuppose Barack isn't driven by ambition? What candidate isn't.

And you believe barack is running because he wants to do something for you? Hah!

[cui bono]

15. That's not sexist. It's true. If she were a man I'd call her(him) a bastard

or an asshole. I don't agree that the word bitch is sexist.

And exactly where did I support Obama? Don't assume....

[iverglas]

28. just curious

If you don't agree that the word "bitch" is sexist, then why didn't you include it in the list of things you'd call Obama?

And why didn't you call Clinton a bastard or an asshole?

...

[cui bono]

30. Gender specific does not equal sexist. I wouldn't call Obama she nor

Clinton (Hillary) he. But I do call her a she and him a he because that refers to gender, which is what bitch and bastard do as well. And personally asshole feels like a male adjective to me, be that right or wrong.

[iverglas]

37. own a dictionary, do you?

Where exactly would you be getting the bizarre notion that "bastard" is a masculine noun? "Bitch" is like "she", and "bastard" is like "he"? My greatx2 grandmother, and also a great-grandmother of mine, who had daughters while unmarried, would be a little surprised to know, I think.

"Asshole" may feel like a male adjective to you, but in fact it's a noun, and it has no gender in English whatsoever. Words don't actually have gender in English.

Words in English may indeed be applied exclusively to beings of a particular sex, of course. "Woman" refers to a being of the female sex, "man" refers to a being of the male sex.

And "bitch" is simply an epithet applied only to women in this particular sense.

It is apparently applied only to women because only women have the characteristics that the epithet is intended to convey (which are really quite different from the characteristics conveyed by "bastard", I am sure you cannot fail to realize).

Or so the people who use the word in that sense would apparently have us believe.

Otherwise, "bitch" would be defined as a person with the nasty characteristics it conveys, I have to assume.

So I'm somehow just failing to see how it is not misogynist (the word you're wanting) to use the word "bitch" to refer to a woman.

Not much point in trying to get me to see it. I can tell you now that it won't work.

[IntravenousDemilo]

41. I would suggest that for men, we use "cur" where we'd use "bitch" for women...

...or if we want to be truly gender-non-specific, use "bitch" or "cur" interchangeably for either men or women. Sometimes I -- a guy -- wake up in the morning just feeling like a little bitch, and I just want to bite someone.

[cui bono]

43. you mean like Merriam-Webster's?

Main Entry:
1bitch Listen to the pronunciation of 1bitch
Pronunciation:
\ˈbich\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Middle English bicche, from Old English bicce
Date:
before 12th century

1: the female of the dog or some other carnivorous mammals
2 a: a lewd or immoral woman b: a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman —sometimes used as a generalized term of abuse
3: something that is extremely difficult, objectionable, or unpleasant
4: complaint
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bitch


I will concede that it doesn't list bastard as being gender specific. But then we were really talking about the use of the word bitch.

And no, I was not wanting the word misogynist. Not at all. But thank you for trying so hard to understand what I was saying.

[iverglas]

45. how awesomely clever you are

I say:

own a dictionary, do you?
Where exactly would you be getting the bizarre notion that "bastard" is a masculine noun?

and you pretend that that wasn't what I said, that I said only the first part of it, and I was talking about some other thing rather than what I was actually talking about.

Ta for the quotation regarding something I wasn't talking about (I use Oxford, myself):

bitch
b: a malicious, spiteful, or overbearing woman

And here's what I was actually talking about:

bastard
1: an illegitimate child
2: something that is spurious, irregular, inferior, or of questionable origin
3 a: an offensive or disagreeable person —used as a generalized term of abuse
b: man, fellow

"An offensive or disagreeable person". Last time I looked, persons did come in both sexes.

Now, the rest of it confuses me. Is "bastard" being offered as a synonym for "man", "fellow"?

Sure glad I'm not the one who said it.

Fact remains that in its sense as a "generalized term of abuse", it is not defined as relating to men to the exclusion of women. "Bitch" is defined as relating to women to the exclusion of men. The characteristics of a bitch are not the same as the characteristics of a bastard.

Just for good measure, we do have "prick":

5: usually vulgar: a spiteful or contemptible man often having some authority

Getting there, maybe.

I'm still not too sure how common it is for a woman to beat or intimidate a man while calling him a "prick", or how often you will hear detractors of a political candidate characterize him as a "prick" as part of a campaign strategy ...

And yes, dear, "misogynist" was the word you wanted. "Sexist", from your source:

1: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially: discrimination against women
2: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex

"Misogynist", from your source:

a hatred of women
— mi·sog·y·nist noun or adjective
— mi·sog·y·nis·tic adjective

I don't find it particularly sexist to refer to a woman as a bitch; there's no discrimination involved, really, unless a man with the same characteristics is being called a fine fellow or some such. What it is, is misogynist. It is using language that has historically been, and is today, used to intimidate and demean women. And that's kinda the essence of misogyny.

[cui bono]

47. You've convinced me.

From now on I'll use prick for men.

[cui bono]

44. Can't take the truth about her? She is driven by blind ambition, she cares

only about herself.

Why do you think she's propping up McCain while slamming Obama? She knows she won't have a chance at the White House for a long time, if at all, if Obama becomes the nominee.

She is so driven by her blind ambition that she is fine with a Republican getting into the WH in 2008, even though it has severe implications regarding the future of this country and its constitution. Roe v. Wade, civil rights, bah... who cares about those if she can get into the WH in 2012 and make her own dreams come true.

She is a conniving, overly ambitious, lying, two-faced, unethical, immoral, despicable excuse for a Democrat who has crossed the line by putting herself before her country. She needs to drop out now.

There. I didn't use the B word. Are you still going to alert my post?

[Bucky]

19. testing

[ExtraGriz]

8. politicians lie?

hillary is a bad liar, obama is a good liar.....i rather deal with a bad liar.

[C_U_L8R]

13. It's hard to say...

there are so many lies I'm losing count.

It really is a Clinton trait, isn't it?

[ecstatic]

14. She lied as recently as today:

Q. How is being called a monster any different than Obama camp being called ken starr?

HRC: You know, I am, you know, very focused on this campaign and you’ve made the comparison between those two…

Q. You’re spokesman made that comparison.

HRC: I think one is an ad hominem attack and one is a historical reference.

Q. But he said that he did not see how anybody imitating Ken Starr would win the Democratic nomination.

HRC: Well, I think that is a true statement.

Q. When Bob Johnson raised the issue of Sen. Obama’s drug use, you didn’t act quickly on that.

HRC: Well, we did repudiate it and he apologized.

Q. There was no repudiation immediately. Immediately, your campaign said he was talking about community organizing. Then he came out and said he was actually referring to his drug use and no one heard anything else from your campaign.

HRC: Well no, yes you did. You said he apologized and we accepted his apology.

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_takes_on_obama_on_sama.html

[seabeyond]

17. we have had one for 8 yrs, what is another 4..... n.t

[Bucky]

20. I think that's a healthy attitude.

[CitizenRob]

22. Oh watch out! This is coming close to criticising Hillary.

You might get your thread locked.

Whatever you do, don't refer to her as the party traitor that she is.

[tabasco]

23. She lied to the American people on national tv

when she said she has not had time to release her tax info and White House records.

I don't think anyone really believes that crap.

[TheDebbieDee]

24. Are you a muck-raking, crapweasel? Not as far as I know!

[democrattotheend]

25. Her husband is

I don't know about her.

[ananda]

26. McCain SURE IS!!!

And Bush has been, and still is!!!!

[cbayer]

27. No. nt.

[0007]

29. That giant grin is the look of an alligator, a hungry alligator.

Skunk is out grazing for some food and new energy.

[Raine]

31. Don't know but think she's completely amoral and

will do anything to get what she wants. To Hillary the end justifies the means, kind of reminds me of Nixon.

[Hepburn]

42. I would agree....

...IMO, Hillary appears to have the same character flaws as did Nixon. Good point!

[Medusa]

32. What was it that David Geffen, a former Clinton

supporter said about them? "Everyone in politics lies but they do it with such ease."

[Liberal Veteran]

34. Yes and she is obsessed with the trappings of power.

In other words...she's a monster.

[Balbus]

35. Is she a politician?

Fucking people are stupid.

[OneBlueSky]

38. not necessarily a pathological liar . . . but certainly an amoral narcissist . . . n/t

[Levgreee]

39. One of the things that bothers me the most, actually, is not giving credit to her ghostwriters

in her book. John Edwards did... but Hillary wanted it to appear that she wrote the book basically on her own, when she had co-authors. Her reputation is too important, she needs to have that extra polish, to look like a super-woman, even if it means offending people who helped her.

[Justitia]

40. Well, that depends on the meaning of the word "is"... -eom

[Whisp]

48. must be something in the Whitehouse water system...

drink it and lie your ass off.
I thought Bush was the champ in the regard, but I see Hillary is closing in.