Enthusiasm Tilts Toward Obama in Pa...

[AntiFascist]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080307/ap_on_el_pr/pennsylvania_voter_voices

By MICHAEL RUBINKAM, Associated Press Writer

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But in random interviews last week with dozens of voters in swing districts across the state, much of the Democratic voter enthusiasm seemed to tilt toward Obama, not only because he is a fresh face, but because they believe he has the best shot at beating Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain, whom they call old and out-of-touch.

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But Obama, Ciesielski said, would be a uniter: "Obama seems like he would bring the world back together. We travel a lot and, man, everyone hates us because of the (Iraq) war."

[Texas Hill Country]

1. yeah, good statistical method... man on the street... *rolls eyes*

[Bucky]

7. Good point. I can't believe the OP keeps claiming this is statistical information!!

*rolls eyes*


:)

[AntiFascist]

26. Whatever, even if just random...it beats MSM bias and their polling methods...

where the viewer is the one who ends up getting 'polled', if you know what I mean.

[Jersey Devil]

9. Nobody said anything about a poll

The article and the OP is about voter "enthusiasm". The point is that Obama voters are excited, not that Obama leads in any poll. Are you pretending not to know the difference?

[JackORoses]

20. it's as good as your "I'm from Texas so I know what goes on there" spiel

[Bucky]

36. I'm from Texas so I know what goes on there

Obama had support from swing voters. This is everything. Even if flipping Texas blue is a pipe dream, Obama can make enough red states look purple that the Republicans will have to divert campaign resources into states they used to take for granted. The electoral logic of the Obama campaign is impossible to ignore.

[JackORoses]

43. I'm from Texas, too. I agree with you. Obama is our man!

[Bucky]

2. Yay Obama!

Of course we were much more enthusiastic than the Clinton people here in Texas. Fat lotta good it did us. But still, enthusiasm is never a bad thing. I just hope our boy slugs back this time.

[jenmito]

16. Well, Obama will end up winning TX whether the media portrays it that way or not, and don't forget,

he came back from being 20 points behind!

[Bucky]

32. I like your spin.

Sadly, Mrs Clinton also came back from being 8-10 points behind, depending on what polls you look at. Obama didn't take the punches as well as he needed to. Nothing's more viable than a cornered Clinton. We need to win the perceptions game as much as we need to win the delegate count. Obama's really going to be tested in the next four weeks; we can still lose this in Pennsylvania, no matter how well Mississippi goes.

[jenmito]

39. Thanks, but it's not spin. It's reality...

Hillary was never 8-10 points behind Obama. One poll had him up 3-4 points a few days before she started smearing him. The delegate count is what wins it. PA won't give Hillary many more delegates despite her probable win.

[Cha]

46. Thanks jen, for the

reality! :hi:

[jenmito]

47. No problemo!

:hi:

[AntiFascist]

44. This is really why Obama won big in Texas, not Clinton...

what we are now fighting is media spin.

[jenmito]

45. Yup. I emailed CNN and MSNBC about this, probably to no avail,

pointing out that TX has only ONE result and that when Obama ends up being the winner of the "prima-caucus," they should report that HE actually won TX.

[OzarkDem]

3. Same thing you said about Ohio

[jackson_dem]

8. Yup!

They also claimed Obama gaining ground was inevitable in Ohio and Texas and said the same thing would happen in Pennsylvania because he was rapidly closing until he choked on March 4. Now he trails by 15 in Pennsylvania. Obama's past gains were due to momentum. Guess what 0bamanation? 0bama no longer has momentum and he may no longer have the msm favoring him, although they are by no means now pro-Hill. He has not proven that he can win without the msm.

[surfin]

11. Slick Hilly sent Slick Willy today to get an endorsement

in Philly of the ward leaders. Obama sent a really young looking guy. They would not give an endorsement. Tells a lot and I believe he is going to win Penn.

Remember, since Monday, Obama is +12 in delegates to Hilly and she won 3 states and fall farther behind. Less states. She needs to drop out and join her buddy McCain.

[noel711]

That 'young looking guy'... is Congressman Patrick Murphy..

a decorated Iraqi war veteran, and MY democrataic congressman.
He was one of the first in PA to endorse Barak Obama,
and represents a change from the old style antics of
Billy and Hilly...

Why wouldn't the Philalphia city council
and Ward leaders give an endorsement with the
Clinton Emeritus present? Because they realize they
might be spitting in the wind, and cutting off their own
future when the new wind blows into town...

I stated before that Philadelphia was ripe for the picking;
no matter how Philly is painted as 'old style' dems, the
landscape is changing. With a varied and rich AFrican American
citizenry, many colleges and universities, and a growing base,
Obama shows folks a new beginning.

[Cha]

48. Welcome to DU, surfin!

Can you tell us more about the "ward leader" incident?

Mahalo to Hawai'i for giving Obama one LandslideB-)

[OzarkDem]

56. Freepish

Why are you hanging out here?

[AntiFascist]

29. Ohio...that seems to conjur up very bad election memories...

do they really hold valid elections in Ohio anymore?

[jackson_dem]

4. He went from a dead heat to -15 in PA after he choked on March 4

[surfin]

15. Yes and he keeps gaining delegates on her

When is the last week that Hillary went plus in delegates gained over Obama?

[jackson_dem]

18. This week

[surfin]

19. Up 12 or more with all those new delegates added from CA

I can't remember when she got more delegates in a week than he does.

Amazing he press does not see it. He gains and gains and she keeps running out of states.

[SoxFan]

41. Link?

[rug]

5. Pennsylvania is Obama's Waterloo.

[JVS]

54. Rock!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHWGtPknFF4

[geek tragedy]

6. Um, Hillary is going to win this state big and we Obama supporters

hurt our candidate when we exaggerate his expectations there.

[jackson_dem]

10. He has 7 weeks. The candidate who runs the best campaign will win

If Obama is the greatest politician ever as advertised he should have no problem winning PA in a landslide after spreading his magic dust all over the state for 7 weeks.

[geek tragedy]

21. He got smoked in OH and PA is even worse for him.

The best thing about Pennsylvania is that Indiana and North Carolina follow it on the calendar.

[jackson_dem]

24. Probably but he does have time that he didn't have in Ohio

He will likely lose Indiana and North Carolina if he enters it losing the two big election days prior to May. Obama's lead in both states was due to momentum. In PA he lost about 11 points overnight when his momentum was broken. If the same happens in NC and IN they are dead heats now and a big win in PA would give her even more momentum. Obamites are channeling Giuliani supporters. Momentum matters.

[geek tragedy]

31. IN is right next door to Illinois and shares a media market

and has a lot of colleges and university.

NC has a high percentage of African-Americans.

Demographics trumps momentum in this election.

Ohio and Texas proved that.

[jackson_dem]

42. Just like Missouri?

No, OH and TX were close only because of momentum. Obama was actually leading Texas and close in Ohio until he choked during the final days of the campaign there.

NC's black percentage is closer to Tennessee's than South Carolina or Maryland's. Hill won TN. 0bama can't rely in 88% black support alone to carry him to victory in NC like he did in SC.

[PaDem]

28. Betcha he does better here than he did in OH..........

He's down 5 in the polls 7 weeks out. What was he down in OH 7 weeks out? I think he'll lose by 5-7% in PA.

[geek tragedy]

30. i'll bet you a star--$10 donation to DU. You game? n/t

[thoughtcrime1984]

13. Big? You mean like 4-6 net delegate gain big?

Then I might agree with you. She is toast.

[geek tragedy]

22. No, more like 15-25 delegate big.

If he keeps the popular vote margin under 15%, that's a win.

[thoughtcrime1984]

23. I will respectfully disagree

They will like him the more they get to know him. Obama will make the rounds "Iowa style" and answer thousands of questions, connect with hundreds of thousands of voters. He will keep it very close, while continuing to win the small states that "do not matter".

[geek tragedy]

27. I once thought that about Ohio and Latino voters.

I've since concluded that some demographics are just lost causes during this primary season. Clinton is SOL with African-Americans and us latte liberals, and Obama is SOL with Latinos, Appalachians, and Southern Baptists.

[thoughtcrime1984]

33. He's SOL with Rush's Dittoheads, but PA is a closed primary!

Who knows....

[geek tragedy]

35. White Democrats voted 70-27 Clinton over Obama in Ohio.

Pennsylvania's white Democrats are older, less educated, and more Appalachian.

[thoughtcrime1984]

37. Well, I'm not conceding, we'll see. There are other states that will

more than make up any PA deficit.

[geek tragedy]

38. I agree. We need to contest PA while keeping

expectations reasonable, and also realizing that we have much stronger states coming up.

[thoughtcrime1984]

40. Very good!

:toast:

[surfin]

14. She won calif and Obama is still gaining delegates from ca

He won more this week than she. No super delegates have gone to her lately.

[ecstatic]

12. Good. I was beginning to worry that Clinton had destroyed hope

with her endless rants about false hope, anti-speech/rally tirades, etc. Please people... hold on. It's almost over!

[thoughtcrime1984]

25. Where are the doggone celestial choirs??

She promised.....

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

17. "But in random interviews LAST WEEK..."

[AntiFascist]

34. The key thing being that HE HAS THE BEST SHOT AT BEATING McCain...

don't lose sight of the fact that Obama and his independent and Republican converts sincerely want him to win. Many of Hillary's supporters, whether they be faux Republican converts or whatnot, only want Obama to lose, regardless of who wins the GE.

[BringBigDogBack]

49. kickeroo

[AnnieBW]

50. What Obama needs to do in PA

Okay... I'm from PA originally, but live in Maryland now. My parents (who are Hillary supporters that I disagree with) still live there.

IMHO, Obama needs to:

Get out into the "Alabama In-Between" sections of Pennsylvania. Yes, go to your rallies on college campuses in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and get the luuuuv from them. But you also need to get out to the depressed mill towns, like Connellsville, Scranton, Uniontown, Johnstown, the Mon Valley, etc. The places where you're lucky if you have 25% unemployment. Listen to those folks. They all used to be union folks, but the unions and the Dems sold them out for the liberal yuppies (like me) that got the hell out.

Talk to the Senior Citizens - there's lots of them there. Almost as many as in Florida and Arizona. They're the ones that can't afford to move to Florida or Arizona, or don't want to. Talk about your grandfather in WWII, especially if you can do it in a VFW hall.

Have a "shot and a beer". Preferably an Iron City, or one of the Pittsburgh or Philly microbrews. Hey, it's no Goose Island, but suck it up. Eat at Primanti's in Pittsburgh, or whatever the best cheesesteak place is in Philly (I've heard competing stories). Eat the coleslaw and fries on the sandwich at Primanti's. Slop up the Cheez Whiz on the cheesesteak in (insert restaurant here) in Philly. Learn how to polka. Wear a Steeler hat in Pittsburgh, and an Eagles hat in Philly. Yes, Senator, I know that you're a fan of Da Bears. Deal with it. George Halas is not gonna come down and strike you dead if you wear anything besides a Bears cap.

[AntiFascist]

51. He should also stress the peace dividend benefit of getting out of Iraq...

which can help the depressed economies in some of these areas.

[AnnieBW]

52. Yes

Or at least stress how much the war is costing each American per day - or translate it into "we can fix X many roads and bridges, we can build X many schools, etc."

[Lucinda]

53. Last week?

Isn't that an eternity in politics?

[bvar22]

55. But Clinton has..........

HillMentum !!!


Hillary -12 delegates since Monday