Hillary Clinton: Please don't ABANDON the Dems in Michigan like Barack Obama did.

[Mezzo]

Hillary Clinton did not campaign in Michigan. And even though TEH RULES says that no primary shall be held before Super Tuesday, Dean decided to circumvent TEH RULES and allow South Carolina to have it's primary earlier. Florida and Michigan notified everyone when they'd vote, period. TEH RULES should apply to everyone. Barack Obama said to take his name off the michigan ballot (if TEH RULES were so important to him, why'd he leave it on the ballot in Florida? Oh, that's right....he needs to have it both ways. wow. He reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally took a stand there)

So here are the FACTS:

Hillary Clinton probably should have spent more money in red state caucuses. It was sort of foolish for her to not compete that heavily in those open to republican caucuses, where Barack Obama CLEARLY carries the Republican vote. Shit happens.

and

Barack Obama should not have taken his name off of the Michigan ballot. It was a sucker bet, and he got suckered.

It's nice to know that Hillary won't be suckered into turning her back on the good people in the state of Michigan.

And I hope she fights for their delegation. They had their vote, and they made their choice. He's the stupid ass that allowed his name to be taken off the ballot. That's his fault, not hers.

[anonymous171]

1. Your logic fails so hard.

It's MI and FL fault that they broke the rules. With your logic they should be held accountable for their "stupid ass" decisions.

[Mezzo]

7. so did South Carolina. where's your logic there, snapperhead?

oh, that's right...you need to have it both ways.

[anonymous171]

9. WTF are you talking about?

And what's a "snapperhead"?

[Mezzo]

24. TEH RULES say that no primary shall be held before Super Tuesday.

TEH RULES should apply to all the states, or none of them. Barack Obama abandoned the people in Michigan while he had no problem breaking TEH RULES for South Carolina.

Hillary won't abandon either. Snapperhead is my nickname for you. (actually for everyone, like mook)

[anonymous171]

28. The state decides when the primary takes place, not the candidates.

[Mezzo]

39. Yep. And Michigan (the state) decided on a primary day and held it. BO abandoned them then

and ever since.

[anonymous171]

45. They broke the rules. The candidates weren't supposed to campaign there and none did.

[Exilednight]

31. Dean wasn't the head of the DNC when South Carolina moved their primary.

[Mezzo]

38. TEH RULES are TEH RULES, so that doesn't matter.

[Exilednight]

44. Yes, but they actually negotiated with the DNC to move the vote.....

Listen, South Carolina did it honestly. They took the time to argue with the DNC and pushed the primary up with a good argument and the final blessing of the DNC. No one in the DNC threatened SC because they did it through negotiation. What FL and MI did was against the rules and they were told not to front load the primaries.

Don't get all pissy because someone enforced the rules. In the end FL and MI disenfranchised themselves. If they didn't move up their primaries they would have both been major players.

[FiveGoodMen]

2. You're so smart and cool! You can misspell 'the' with TEH best of them!

[Zachstar]

5. LoL

Teh OP suxors!!!111!!

[Mezzo]

10. I knooooooooooow!!! I'm so smart and cool and Barack Obama

fell for a sucker stance.

Not my fault. Hillary didn't abandon the people of Michigan.

Oh, and she didn't outspent BO in Florida or campaign there, like he did, to whoop his ass there either.

[JackORoses]

14. Why doesn't Hillary want the People of Michigan to hold Caucuses so their votes can count?

Oh...right....then Obama would be on the ballot.

Can't have that!

[Mezzo]

26. because they ALREADY held an PRIMARY

and Barack Obama abandoned them. Hillary honored the pledge, and did not cmpaign there, but she is no sucker. And she did not abandon them. He did.

[JackORoses]

32. their elected officials abandoned them by breaking the rules

Take it up with Granholm and the MI Congress.

Hillary will not benefit from MI, and she may just shoot herself in the foot by getting them so excited about this that they hold Caucuses.

We all know she sucks hard at Caucuses.

[Mezzo]

40. are you calling for South Carolina to be unseated? TEH RULES TEH RULES.

[anonymous171]

47. see post #44

[JackORoses]

52. South Carolina is a bona fide Early state. It broke no rules.

You don't have a leg to stand on.

[MadBadger]

3. Obama had to drop out of the campaign to take his name off the FL ballot

you should take a look at the facts before you spout BS

[Mezzo]

13. that's florida. We're talking MICHIGAN, and he abandoned the people there

BY taking his name off the ballot. Hillary is more of a patriot than that. Barack Obama is not. Christ, by your account, he dropped out of the campaign JUST SO he could abandon democrats. Wow. THOSE are your facts?

abandoned them (and he straight campaigned in Florida)

[MadBadger]

16. NO...You were talking about him not taking his name off the Ballot in Florida

I was telling you that you were wrong.

[Growler]

21. What are you babbling about?

ALL the candidates took their names off the ballot in Michigan, because the DNC ruled their primary invalid. ALL the candidates do so, except Clinton. Everyone else in the campaign played fairly, except Hillary. How is it you don't understand this??

[mckeown1128]

53. Do you know WHY she didn't take her name of the ballot...

FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....

NHPR's Laura Knoy: "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?"

Hillary Clinton: "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"



http://www.nhpr.org/node/13858

[peoli]

4. Uhhh we all know Hillary stayed because she knew months later she would need the delegates

You think she stayed on the ballot for you? She stayed on it for her fucking selfish self. Wake up.

[Texas Hill Country]

8. no, obama did not want to upset IA and NH by keeping his name on... he pandered.

[LSparkle]

18. And so did Edwards, Dodd, Biden, Richardson ... even HILLARY

intended to take her name off, but her paperwork "didn't get filed on time" so
her name ended up staying ON the ballot. Maybe Mark Penn was in charge of
that paperwork but he was too busy "strategerizing" to do it in a timely manner.

[Yossariant]

37. That's a damn lie. Not that I expect anything more from a delusional Obamatoon:

"Senators Hillary Clinton of New York and Chris Dodd of Connecticut - who, like all of the Democratic candidates, have pledged not to actively campaign in the state - chose to remain on the ballot."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22054151

"The Clinton campaign said she will not withdraw from the Michigan ballot because it is unnecessary to do so."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/09/michigan.primary/index.html

[peoli]

25. uh no. He followed the rules of the DNC, Hillary stayed on at the last second if you remember

in the very last hour. For selfish reasons. If you cant see that then I am sorry for you and for the rest of the people like you. Everyone knows it.

[Mezzo]

27. Barack Obama did not pander. He ABANDONED the people of Michigan

[peoli]

33. you have ISSUES that may require PROFESSIONAL HELP

[Mezzo]

41. and you have issues with REALITY. He ABANDONED Michigan. Hillary didn't, and won't.

[lligrd]

6. Hillary Broke Her Word,

again. And she will continue doing so. I hope we don't reward her for it.

[yourguide]

11. ROFL

um what?

you cant even spell THE RULES...TEH rules?

just stoooooooooooop.

[Skidmore]

12. The candidates did not abandon you...

your state party abandoned you because a few politicos thought they would score points by playing tough guys.

[LSparkle]

15. Wait -- South Carolina was PERMITTED to have their primary early

It was one of the 4 early states (Iowa, NH, SC and Nevada) that were APPROVED by the DNC.

Any states that went after those first 4 states but BEFORE the Feb. 6th window opened were
on notice that they would be PENALIZED. Florida has an excuse because their primary was
moved up mostly due to its Rethuglican-controlled state legislature. Michigan also moved
up its primary (and broke the rules), but I haven't heard of any extenuating circumstances that
"twisted its arm."

ALL major candidates agreed to remove their names from the Michigan ballot (I think Dennis
Kucinich and Mike Gravel were the only ones not to agree to this), including Hillary. From
what I've heard, it was her INTENT to remove her name as well, except "her paperwork didn't
get completed in time." Yeah, right ...

[southern_dem]

35. Exactly

Those four states were allowed to hold their primaries first. Everyone else was suppose to wait until Super Tuesday or face the fate of zero delegates. The rules are pretty simple with this...

[Mezzo]

43. TEH RULES say No primary before super tuesday.

We either follow TEH RULES or we don't.

[Yossariant]

17. Obama, the panderer, would be preachifying to them in the morning

if he thought he could use them in some way.

And the really dumb ones will be giving us tear-filled testimonials about how they "Came to Obama."

<<<blech>>>'

[SammyWinstonJack]

42. ...

:spray: Obama, the panderer Fits him perfectly.

[bleowheels]

19. Barack Obama: "I'm rubber you're glue!"

Seriously, Hillary Clinton should go on the stand up comedy circuit. I mean, this stuff has become so laffable. Hey Hillary, Pinnochio called, he wants his gig back!

[sniffa]

20. Oh hai

You're still here. Good effort on the thread. First Florida, and now Michigan voters have you defending them. You are a hero of democracy. :patriot:

[Jersey Devil]

22. I am posting with my underpants on my head

I usually don't drink before 7 pm on a Friday but you just reminded me that it would be a good time to have one.

[AtomicKitten]

23. Nice tantrum over Michigan and Florida breaking the rules.

[Texas Hill Country]

34. This isnt some petty game with rules, this is a democracy!!!! Let the people VOTE

I am so sick of this whole "breaking the rules bit." This is alot more serious than some BS party rules... this is about people and their right to have their vote count!

Get over it.

[anonymous171]

36. This is primary.

[Liberal Veteran]

50. There are RULES in a democracy and they must be followed.

If we don't have any kind of structure, then we have nothing but anarchy.

[islandmkl]

29. Just another FLAMER......trying very hard, and apparently succeeding

beyond his wildest imagination....



MERELY AMUSING....

[Yael]

30. Proud2BMezzo is back

:hi:

[mckeown1128]

54. Just what I was thinking....lol N/T

[TheDoorbellRang]

46. What unmitigated twaddle

And another one bites TEH dust.

[corkhead]

48. FUKC YUO

[Liberal Veteran]

49. You are quite right. Trusting Hillary to be honorable and of decent character was a sucker's bet.

But I really don't expect people to be perfect. After all, I adore Al Gore and he chose that walking midden heap Lieberman as his running mate.

[RBInMaine]

51. They ALL took their names off the ballot EXCEPT Hillary.

MI broke the rules and was properly sanctioned. If they want a re-do, fine. Pay for it and give both camps time to campaign. Should be after the rest are over. Got no problem with that under those conditions.