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[Skidmore]

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Monday, February 25, 2008

Mark Penn's tangled corporate web: Clinton is a client; McCain is a client.
by Joe Sudbay (DC) · 2/25/2008 10:18:00 AM ET · Link
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As has been widely reported, Hillary Clinton's top guru, Mark Penn, is leading the charge within the Clinton campaign to go aggressively negative against Obama. Besides the fact that Penn is the architect responsible for Hillary's presidential aspirations going from "inevitable" to being on life support, he is reportedly obsessed with destroying Obama. While it is understandable that Clinton's top adviser wants his client to win at all costs, going massively negative against Obama (or Hillary for that matter) risks damaging our candidate in the fall election against McCain. Unfortunately, this is something another "client" would welcome. That client is named John McCain.

Penn is the CEO of Burson-Marsteller, a DC public relations (PR) firm. Burson-Marsteller owns a subsidiary, BKSH. BKSH is run by Charlie Black. Black is a longtime Republican politico, and a top adviser for John McCain for President. And, as Think Progress notes, while Black is a volunteer on the McCain campaign, he views Mcain as his client and continues to take a paycheck from BKSH. JedReport dissected these relationships in a diary on DailyKos last night.

[Skidmore]

1. Kick.

Because it gives me a chuckle to see a thread absent Hillary supporters.

[KittyWampus]

25. Penn has been with the Clintons for a long time.

[Hieronymus]

38. Not surprising .. many say that Bill Clinton was a good Republican .....

president.

[Skidmore]

2. Crickets?

[MH1]

3. I'm speechless.

Seriously. I've heard this before but it still boggles my mind. Penn works for McCain * and * Clinton?!?

No friggin' wonder Clinton is endorsing McCain over Obama.

[goclark]

4. They are all twins

after the same power and they are willing to share it with the Bush clan.

[Laelth]

5. Very important. k&r

We are nearing a one-party system, and the evidence is becoming too obvious to conceal.

:dem:

-Laelth

[citygal]

6. Even if it's been said before, I think it is worth repeating...

Mark Penn is reminiscent of Karl Rove. Bald, fat, white and ruthless.

The fact that Hillary still has him on staff makes me continually question her judgment.

[K Gardner]

7. Just the sight of both of them makes me a little queasy. Blech.

[citygal]

8. Exactly.

[Skidmore]

9. Kicking, because there's not a thin dime's worth of difference between

these two campaigns. Like the faces of Janus.

[AtomicKitten]

10. The Clintons need to get in to cover up, er, I mean clean up after another Bush.

[Zhade]

23. Just like the first Clinton did (thanks, blm, wherever you are)!

NT!

[Skidmore]

11. Back to page 1.

[zulchzulu]

12. No wonder Hillary endorses Mark Penn's other client, McCain

Hillaryworlders out there...any reason why you think this is cool?

[FrenchieCat]

13. Penn is unsavory no matter how you look at him.......

establishment folks doing all that they can to keep the power in their hands.

[AtomicKitten]

14. kick

[Skidmore]

15. kick

[dansolo]

16. kick

[City Lights]

17. K&R

Clinton and McCain - two sides of the same coin.

[AtomicKitten]

18. This is one effed up alliance.

[Skidmore]

19. kick

[Skidmore]

20. kick

[Exilednight]

21. K&R

[Zhade]

22. Explains why Clinton endorsed McLame over Obama.

I wish I could still be surprised at the depths of repugnant amorality she'll sink to in her quest for power, but I just can't.

Wow, NO Clinton supporters can spin this.

AWESOME.

[Medusa]

24. My the Hillbots certainly have chosen to ignore this thread

haven't they?

Even THEY can't spin this.

[Moochy]

61. Fucking amazing... a thread where zero ignoreds show up!

[Genevieve]

26. k

[BumRushDaShow]

27. Kick

:kick:

[K Gardner]

28. I. See. Dead. People. K&R

[leftrightwingnut]

29. Your link is broken. Would you fix it, please?

n/t

[Skidmore]

30. Corrected link below.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-corporate-web.html

[leftrightwingnut]

31. Thanks! I guessed correctly but missed the .html part.

[leftrightwingnut]

32. This demonstrates incredibly poor judgement on Clinton's part.

Penn's conflict of interest is so blatant, how could she ever employ him? Did she know McCain was a client? Maybe she was duped.

I wondered who was responsible for the negative campaign. It is bad advice on its own because it alienates everyone who is sitting on the fence and is sick of this kind of same kind of crap we have put up with for at least eight years. The generally uninformed might go for it. Hillary supporters would go for it and I guess it kind of energizes her base -- but it is incredibly short-sighted.

The worst mistake in the negativity is Clinton herself pushing it. It really tarnishes her. This kind of stuff should have been pushed by whisper campaigns and campaign operatives, not the candidate herself. That's why a lot of people perceive that she has gone "too far."

It's not the negativity that is turns me off about Clinton. It is the astoundingly bad judgment she has demonstrated in her campaign.

[Skidmore]

33. Really highlights why the Clinton and McCain campaigns always

appear to be on the same message.

I think you are on target with questioning her judgement. If the campaign reflects how she would govern, we perhaps need to be as concerned about the governance of a Clinton WH as we are about the Bush WH now.

[DangerousRhythm]

34. WTF.

Just when I think the campaign can't get any more messed up... what the hell is this? Why is this not being reported by the MSM? Where is everyone? Hello, conflict of interests...

[Skidmore]

35. kick

[donheld]

36. So would it be too much of a stretch to see Karl Rove hiding in

the shadows?

[anonymous171]

37. Holy Shit!

:kick:

[AtomicKitten]

39. No shit!

This kind of connection really takes my breath away. I hope Democrats are paying attention to this.

[Skidmore]

40. I e-mail the DNC everyday and let them know that

I have this in my sights and I want to know why there appears to be no concern over the likelihood that Republican operatives are involved in major campaigns in both parties. I don't trust the Clintons. Period. And this is one of the major reasons.

[Skidmore]

41. kick

[americanstranger]

42. Where are the Clinton supporters?

Is this another one of those threads posted in those special secret pixels that only Obama supporters can see?

Otherwise, they'd be lined up to defend this, or at least try to justify it. Wouldn't they?

- as

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

43. Penn is a disaster. Why Hillary didn't throw that clown overboard a long time ago, I'll never know.

[americanstranger]

44. Kick.

Somebody on the Clinton side must be able to explain this.....

- as

[Skidmore]

45. kick

[GumboYaYa]

46. It would not be the first time the Clinton's sabatoged a democratic presidential candidate.

Bill's moral lapses cost Gore the Presidency.

Kerry...well, they certainly didn't go to bat for him....some say so that Hillary could run this year.

[Skidmore]

47. Yes, indeed.

BTW, love your alias.

[GumboYaYa]

48. It is an old from an old voodoo curse.

It means "everyone talking at the same time".

[catgirl]

49. We need to boot these people far away

They are a scary slimy bunch.

[Skidmore]

50. Kicking and will continue to kick until Hillary quits behaving like a

Republican and fires these operatives.

[Skidmore]

51. Good morning everyone. It's time to talk about duplicity again.

Care to join in?

[Skidmore]

52. Afternoon kick point out why McCain doesn't need and oppo research

department. Hillary's campaign does his work for him.

[sfam]

53. Does the name "Dick Morris" mean anything to you?

If so, why is it supposed to be surprising to folks that the Clinton campaign will have ties to republican operatives? This is how they campaign. This thread gets a big, "Duh" from me.

[Skidmore]

54. Good morning and a kick for you.

[leftstreet]

55. The link doesn't work ?

[Skidmore]

56. Here you go.

http://www.americablog.com/2008/02/mark-penns-tangled-corporate-web.html

[leftstreet]

58. Thank you! So Penn benefits with either HRC or McCain

Interesting!

[Moochy]

57. Collusion

It will take a Clinton to clean up after a Bush. As in stop all pending criminal investigations.

You can bet your bippy thats what the "establishment" is rooting for.

[Skidmore]

60. Exactly. When you ask who benefits from the coziness of these

two campaigns, it won't be the American people.

[BumRushDaShow]

59. Penn figures he'll win either way.

This is the epitome of triangulation. Let's hope he fails on both counts.