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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:11 PM
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Obama's Foreign Policy Follies and Back to the Minors, Rookie.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:12 PM by Maddy McCall
OBAMA'S FOREIGN POLICY FOLLIES

The American people are getting a chance to see how unprepared Barack Obama’s team of advisors are to help lead this country through the minefield of foreign policy problems that await the next President. Thank God Barack’s advisors are not allowed to carry firearms. They have spent the past week metaphorically shooting themselves in the feet and other delicate areas. Just imagine the damage they would do with real bullets.

We started with the Austan Goolsbee flap. You know, Barack’s senior economics advisor who told the Canadians essentially that Senator Obama’s public comments about NAFTA did not reflect his true feelings. Poor Austan did not understand that foreign governments take notes and file reports with their counterparts back home.

Not to be outdone, Susan Rice, a senior foreign policy advisor, jumps into the fray and essentially shoots Barack in the back when she admits that neither Barack Obama nor Hillary Clinton are qualified to answer a crisis phone call at 3am.

But wait, there is more. Samantha Power, another high powered foreign policy advisor personally selected by Obama, calls Hillary Clinton a monster and then pulls a Goolsbee–she tells the BBC that Barack’s stated plan to withdraw two battalions a month from Iraq is not firm and will depend on what the situation on the ground is in January of 2009. While that may be a sensible position it does not jive with Obama’s public position. And in a Presidential campaign a major task for any candidate is to persuade voters that he or she can be trusted. Well, this string of advisors saying their candidate does not mean what he says does not build the warm and fuzzy feeling among prospective voters.

But that’s not all. John Brennan joined the party. Think Progress has the story.

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Brennan is not some “Johnny come lately” adviser. He’s an experienced hand. Brennan headed the National Counter Terrorism Center in his last job in the Bush Administration. It was under John Brennan’s watch that the Bush Administration issued false statistics on the number of terrorist attacks in 2004. He tried to cook the books and keep the public in the dark that terrorist attacks had soared to unprecedented levels. So if he is taking a position directly opposite of his candidate it has to mean he’s gotten the same wink and nod that Austan Goolsbee and Samantha Powers got from Senator Obama.

Now, everyone can make a mistake. But this is ridiculous. These people cannot be trusted to accurately represent their candidate’s public positions on key issues and Senator Obama wants the American people to trust his judgment in selecting folks to run the bureaucracies that he already admitted he can’t run? God save us.


http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/07/obamas_foreign_policy_follies/


OK, ROOKIE. BACK TO THE MINORS.

Forget Kool Aid, it looks to me like the Obamessiah’s disciples are drinking truth serum.

First, it was Obama economic guru Austan Goolesby spilling the beans on his guy’s noxious NAFTA two-facedness. Then it was Michele Obama telling us all how “downright mean” we all are and how she’s been through terrible privation and wants to be given something because she and her husband took up student loans to get through schools that most Americans will never see (even though the Obamas made, oh, about 1.7 million dollars just two years ago).

Now it’s one of his foreign policy honchos, Samantha Power, telling us what she really feels about Hillary Clinton.

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Man, it’s fun watching them fly the campaign right into the side of a mountain. I have to say that, recently, Presidential campaigns have gotten bone-numbingly boring. The Anointed One is making them enjoyable again. It’s obvious to me that, to this point, he’s been floating along on pure personality, cult-like worship, and not a darned thing else. Now that he’s involved in the first real high-stakes election of his entire life, we’re seeing that he has not the foggiest idea what he’s doing. Remember, he’s never won a race for national office where he faced serious opposition. He’s now learning that this isn’t his friendly home-turf of Chicago. The sympathetic media folks he knew just a couple of weeks ago are starting to throw more curveballs and sliders and less changeups that look at big as beach balls when they come across his plate. This is the big-time and Barack is showing more and more every week that he’s not ready to face major-league pitching. Perhaps when he’s spent a few more years in the minors, he’ll be able to hit more than batting-practice fastballs tossed by charmed reporters, but not this season.

If he can’t run a national campaign with even minimal competency, he’s in no way fit to run the country.

http://poligazette.com/2008/03/07/okay-rookie-back-to-the-minors/
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:12 PM
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1. Pack of lies.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:13 PM
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2. Not lies.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:15 PM
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4. Any post that does not agree that Omama;s shit does not stink is a "pack of lies"
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:21 PM
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7. It really does seem just as simple as that n/t
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:34 PM by bridgit
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:43 PM
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12. Seeing by the time poster #1 took to read the op, then post ....
is seems simple to understand that one poster is hell-bent on bashing and nothing else.

This is an ugly pattern Obama supporters have established.
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ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:15 PM
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3. scary some of his advisors may get cabinet posts
or other high ranking government positions. what the heck are they gonna do during a crisis or international incident, blame the press and hillary?
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thunder rising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:16 PM
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5. Yes we should put our hearts into learning to love Hillary. She is, as she will tell you, perfect
She has never made a mistake (not even sending 4K troops to their death) that is worth an apology.

Hillary Clinton has more blood on her hands than Barbara Bush. I like Barbara more than Hillary, because I KNOW what she stands for.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:18 PM
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6. Minors?
He needs to be kicked back
down to the triple-A leagues.
You know, the league for the
ones too inexperienced and with
not enough polished talent.

;)
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:26 PM
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8. Larry Johnson is so biased against Obama
that he would take sound policy and turn it on its head and make it reckless.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:37 PM
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9. One half of Obama's team has embroiled him in events that appear to be making Obama seem not fit.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:39 PM by Maribelle
And in light of the exit polls in the sweeping victory Hillary enjoyed in Ohio, where the people are terribly concerned with this economy and how it is putting them into dire straits -- and their overwhelming belief that Hillary is the one to turn the bad economy around, Obama's focus should be on the economy.

But all of these issues are areas where the rest of the Obama team should be drilling down on, as they are critical to Obama's changing the perception of voters that think he is weak on the economy and weak on foreign policy. And so what does the rest of the Obama team do instead of the work they should be doing?

Scream out demands here and everywhere for Hillary's Tax Returns.





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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:39 PM
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10. Putin has no soul according to Hillary Clinton.
Hillary will lose if she tried to run on a national security/foreign policy platform.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:41 PM
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11. k and r. Off to the greatest.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:53 PM
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13. Hate to kick this claptrap, but ....
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 09:58 PM by bigbrother05
"While that may be a sensible position it does not jive with Obama’s public position."

It seems you have misused the word 'jive' when it should properly be 'jibe'. Don't make it a habit to correct other's grammar, but this one is a pet peeve.

Call me naive, but think this is just a simple mistake, surely there is no racism (overt or otherwise) in the Clinton camp, as far as I know. I take their word for it.

edit to add:

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/jibe

- to jibe (third-person singular simple present jibes, present participle jibing, simple past and past participle jibed)

1. (intransitive, nautical) To perform a jibe
2. (intransitive) To agree. That explanation doesn't jibe with the facts.
3. (transitive, nautical) To cause to execute a jibe -
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 09:56 PM
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14. No, the OP didn't misuse it
It's a quote from the article.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:01 PM
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15. Ok, then the OP is quoting an A) moron or B) racist
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:17 PM
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16. Your lesson for today ..
If you want to say that something agrees with you, or is in harmony with you you would say “that jibes with me.”


However, if you want to say that something is foolish you would say “that doesn’t jive with the facts.”
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:27 PM
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17. That may be common usage, but so is ain't.
Usage notes
"Jive" and "jibe" are frequently used interchangeably in the U.S. to indicate the concept "to agree or accord". However, while one recent dictionary accepts this usage, most sources consider this an error.

Did I mention it's a pet peeve?

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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 07:43 AM
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34. Poor analogy. Ain't is improper English, unacceptable. Jive is acceptable.
Yes, acceptable to Webster: Jive n. (3) deceptive, nonsensical, or glib talk; v. (2) to talk nonsense, vt. to cajole or mislead, adj. misleading phony

Therefore ... saying something does not jibe with the facts merely indicates it does not agree; saying something does not jive with the facts indicates someone entirely different, way beyond simply not agreeing. The use of the two are not interchangeable in this instance.










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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:39 PM
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19. People often make minor mistakes.
For instance, not knowing when something is being quoted or not. I don't call those people morons. But I could.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:09 PM
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22. I'm a bit of a grammar nazi, myself.
Take a look at your signature sentence. I'd remove the beam from my own eye before lecturing someone else on grammar, were I you.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:23 PM
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23. Never claimed to be one of those that seek affirmation at others' expense.
As indicated, that happens to be a pet peeve. Never would have dropped the n-bomb on a fellow DUer, but if you want to self-identify.....

Surely we can all get along.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:27 PM
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24. Hey, you started this thing....if you're going to point out others' grammatical mistakes....
you should be sure that yours is flawless.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:44 PM
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26. Actually, you started this, it's your OP.
My mistake was participating in a thread with well known escalators.

I don't give two rips for the quality of anyone's grammar. Try my best to deal in the quality of thought and value the give and take afforded those willing to go beyond the snide remark or quick gotcha.

Guess it is never productive to attempt subtlety in GD-P. It's always the process, not the message.

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:53 PM
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28. You started the grammar critique...
which is quite ironic, considering your flawed signature sentence.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:01 AM
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30. Yeah, irony's a monster.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:03 AM
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31. Thanks for kicking my thread.
Let's do this all night, shall we? :bounce:
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:10 AM
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33. Thanks for proving my point, when you're alone, any noise is a comfort.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:35 PM
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18. Thanks, Maddy
A big K&R for you.

:kick:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:40 PM
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20. I
W
R




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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:46 PM
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21. The Best and the Brightest. Yep, Hillary's "expertise" promises more of the same.
Hillary and her expertise. Yep, it did her - and us - a hell of a lot of good back in 2002.

Hubris will bring you and your candidate down yet. Barack has judgment. You apparently have hate. Maybe you will win on that, but it will be a Pyrrhic victory, Maddy.

The Hillary backers here are relentless. But we are not going away.

Yes we can.

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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:35 PM
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25. I'm soooo impressed with the campaign Hillary has run.
With minimal competency Hillary shoulda won by now.

What happened to the Clinton Shock and Awe campaign? :rofl:
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:50 PM
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27. Is it OK for McCain to use your "Rookie, back to the Minors", against Obama?
If Hillary keeps pounding away on Obama, the Republican pukes, (after the Hillary campaign we now have to differentiate between Republican pukes and Democratic pukes), won't have to spend their own money to destroy the Democratic candidate, Hillary will have done it for them.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:57 PM
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29. Aw, Obamanation is so concerned about playing nice now
Where was this concern when Obama began attacking Clinton from the moment he announced his candidacy? :eyes:
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-08-08 12:05 AM
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32. One thing about Hillary is that she probably knows how to use a Xerox machine



It's the job for a monster.


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