A little nice news for Hillary from Wyoming

[Lucinda]

And tomorrow - Mar 8th - Is International Women's Day too. :D


Women Supporting Hillary

Cheyenne - 3/7/2008

To say this election has historical value is something we've been hearing for a while. But it especially rings true here in Wyoming with the possibility of electing the first ever woman president, and Wyoming knows a thing or two about firsts for women.

Wyoming was the first state to allow women to vote in 1890 and now 118 years later Wyoming is at the forefront of possibly putting the first woman in the oval office.

Senator Clinton's visit today at LCCC has drawn women from Wyoming, Colorado, and Nebraska who feel the former first lady speaks to them in a language they can understand, woman to woman...

Literally thousands of people lined up here to see the former first lady and hundreds of women who feel that they want her to represent them in the white house.



Short video and more story:
http://www.kgwn.tv/news.aspx?ID=2

[leftofcool]

1. I expect her to do well in that state

if not win it.

[thunder rising]

2. The dice are thrown ... let's see how they land!

[hueyshort]

96. Not just the First Lady Pres

but she is going to get MORE DONE than any president in history.
Why? For one thing, she is driven to succeed. But another reason is
that she's not in with the good old boyz schmooze club.
The very reason why senate geezers stepped up against her is the
reason she will prevail. She will not compromise. You can see that
from watching her in the debates.

[Lucinda]

3. I do too.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

12. Doing well is not good enough for Hillary at this point

She has to win the rest of the states BIG. She needs the pledged delegate plurality or at least close to it.

[jackson_dem]

19. Only in Obamanation. If she can win the popular vote the pledged delegate issue is out the window

The Obama camp will not seriously be able to claim sd's are overturning the will of the voters if the popular will winds up being for Hillary.

[VolcanoJen]

26. You're not really making a "Clinton will win the popular vote" argument...

... on the eve of an election in America's least-populated state, are you?

Just seems like maybe you posted in the wrong thread.

[jackson_dem]

40. Let's see what the numbers look like after PA

Right now she trails by 600k. If she can take 300-350k out of that lead after PA she has a great chance at winning the popular vote. If she loses PA or barely wins then it is unlikely she will win the popular vote.

[hueyshort]

97. Go Hillary!

[rodeodance]

46. it's called MOJO and Hillary has it. BO camp stumbled again today

[Gore1FL]

34. Hahahahaha

oh wait, your being serious...


That's even funnier!

[jackson_dem]

41. What part of the math do you have trouble with?

[rodeodance]

48. could simple be the ~~ha+ha+=ha

[Gore1FL]

58. Not that

I've got laughing and delegate math down to a science now.

[Gore1FL]

57. The part of it

where Caucuses don't count, delegates don't count, rules don't count, those sorts of things.

The super delegates are not going to negate the structure of the elections to accommodate a second-place candidate with a triple digit gap. It just isn't going to happen.

I don't know why this fantasy keeps coming back, but's illogical. It's unprecedented, it is not supported by logic. It eliminates the influence of many states.

If you want new rules, the time to have lobbied for it would have been in the spring of 2006. The role of the Super delegates is not to outdo the Rehnquist court.

[JoFerret]

90. Keep with the 12 step program and check in next year.

.

[jackson_dem]

20. I doubt it. It is a very right-wing state and Obama does best in the most DLC states

[VolcanoJen]

24. Message to Wyoming Democrats: It's "You Don't Matter" Eve.

Pre-spin much?

[jackson_dem]

38. No, I simply looked at what happened in Idaho, North Dakota, and Utah

[rodeodance]

49. more lies

[Gore1FL]

59. What specifically?

[Colobo]

4. Obama will win, but she'll do well.

[MadBadger]

5. So some of those 2,500 people were also from Colorado and Nebraska?

eeek.

[Colobo]

6. Can they caucus in WY?

[jackson_dem]

21. If they are bussed in from Illinois...

[rodeodance]

87. That was an Obams trick in Iowa as I recall

[Lucinda]

7. I love the fact that people travel to see our candidates.

It can only bode well in the general.

[Laelth]

23. Very nice reply.

:headbang:

-Laelth

[Lucinda]

29. That was very nice of you!

:hi: Thanks.

[DURHAM D]

8. That is great - thanks for posting. eom

[Lucinda]

11. You're welcome!

[zabet]

9. Thanks for posting!

:kick:

[Lucinda]

14. Happy to do so!

:hi:

[wpelb]

10. Wyoming?

If Hillary's campaign is excited about the possibility of her winning Wyoming, she's in deep manure. The place has fewer people than a medium sized city (about 600K, I believe). In the general election, it almost always goes Republican. They probably think native son Dick Cheney is a moderate. Hell, some of them probably think he's a liberal.

Winning in Wyoming doesn't mean too much. Losing there doesn't mean too much, either--unless you're desperate.

[Lucinda]

13. Obama is imploding this week, so I doubt Hillary is feeling particularly desperate.

I know I'm not. :hi:

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Imploding is a very strong word, and Hillary needs to feel desperate...

She lost Texas and didn't win Ohio by a big enough margin. It is not impossible for her to end up with more pledged delegates then Obama.

[Lucinda]

16. If you dont think she's happy you're foolin yourself.

[Joe the Revelator]

18. Happy to have done nothing to gain any delegate and no clear path to the nomination?

yeah, i'd be fucking ecstatic.

[NDambi]

93. ha ha...me too...I'd simply be beside myself with glee...

Hillary's done.

[Cali_Democrat]

27. Hillary can't win the nomination without overturning the will of the people

or stealing pledged delegates. She's probably miserable right now.

[jackson_dem]

22. It is possible for her to win the national popular vote and that is all sd's will need

Popular vote>pledged delegates. It is a joke that a 17,000 margin in Idaho is given as much weight as a 230,000 vote margin in Ohio under the delegate scheme. Let the people decide and sd's should go with the winner of the popular vote.

[PseudoIntellect]

25. Then why have pledged delegates at all?

Basically, what you're saying is pledged delegates don't count. Popular vote is all that counts.

If states like Idaho had primaries, the margin of victory would OBVIOUSLY have been greater than that. Nearly the same percentage victory for Obama with more participants would have yielded a greater number spread. Clinton supporters condemn caucuses so much since Obama is winning them, but if they were primaries, it would have helped him out in the popular vote MUCH more, anyway.

[jackson_dem]

37. The Democratic party should elected the people's choice

Fuck this delegate scheme. Let the people choose and give voters equal access to voting in all states irrespective to class, age, or family status.

Yes but if each state was a primary Obama's delegate lead would be minuscule and Hill would probably have wound up with more pledged delegates by 6/7.

[VolcanoJen]

43. If wishes were horses

We can't "fuck this delegate scheme." It is what it is. Work hard to change it in time for 2012, if you find it so disenfranchising.

Obama's popular vote lead is strong, and 1,000 people in Utah really are equal to 1,000 people in Massachusetts, if your standard of "letting the people choose" really means something to you.

Does the Potomac Primary count in your "Obama's delegate lead would be miniscule if we only had primaries" math? Or that primary in South Carolina? What about that Alabama Primary, or the primary in Connecticut? Utah? Delaware?

[jackson_dem]

50. Yes, that means superdelegates will decide this and they should go with the people's choice

That would be fully within the rules.

Obama has a 600k lead out of about 26 million votes cast. Let's wait until PA before pronouncing him the safe popular vote leader. If Hill shaves off 300-350k of his lead there it is a whole new ballgame considering that Florida and Michigan look to be set for a revote.

1,000 people in Utah are equal to 1,000 people in Massachussetts. Count their votes and have the sd's go with the people's choice.

Anyone can cherry pick primaries (California: Obama lost by 400,000; Ohio: he lost by 230,000). The fact is he lost the Texas primary by 4 but leads the caucus by 12. In Washington he won the primary by only 3 but won the caucus by 37. He clearly benefits from a scheme that allowed even Ron Paul to nearly win two or three states.

[VolcanoJen]

67. So the Democratic Primaries/Caucuses are "a scheme."

Obama's victories are comparable to Ron Paul, in your illustration. A scheme.

By "cherry-picking," you're saying states that didn't vote for Hillary Clinton only did so because Obama benefits from the "scheme" set up by their state parties and approved by the DNC.

Got it!

[jbnow]

86. The Washington "primary" can't be used as a measure

of anything, no delegates were awarded based on it, they knew it didn't count anymore than Florida where property owners came to vote on the constitutional amendment that lowered property taxes or MI where she beat uncommitted by less than Obama beat Hillary in most states last month.

I'm responding with irritation because I am tired of hearing a caucus put down or called things like a scheme.
"Benefits from a scheme" makes him sound like a con man. His supporters are as likely to have kids and jobs as anyone else's. They know the date ahead of time and make plans. Caucus attendance takes deeper commitment and it's not something to mock.

A problem in going with popular vote at this point is that four caucus states, Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington, don't report popular vote tallies at all.

[NDambi]

94. It's over Jackson...just take it like a sane, sensible person and get on with your life

Stop cooking the egg over and over, it won't change the outcome... she can't overtake him which is why she's been pushing the whole "vp" BS! She knows she's done..

[NDambi]

95. ....

[rodeodance]

63. getting a little anxious??

[VolcanoJen]

42. What's even more of a joke is that the brilliant Penn-Wolfson team...

... never realized that Obama could net more delegates by working hard for the Idaho vote than Clinton netted on Junior Tuesday.

Idaho Democrats count. Our nation is a collection of states, and Idaho counts.

Told you it was "Wyoming Doesn't Matter" Eve.

[rodeodance]

66. ha---Hillary has the MOJO---while BO camp is in Damage control mode!

[VolcanoJen]

69. Yes, that top-notch campaign team of hers is about to lead her to 30+ margins...

.. in the remaining states.

She's got the Mojo! Hillary, for you and me!

[rodeodance]

73. YOU are right (but overestimate a tad bit).

[jbnow]

82. But right now she is over half million behind

in popular vote.
If she is still behind at the end do you think sd should go Obama? Is it that simple?

[teddiebear]

72. Again, it's all in the math - it is 18 more delegates

and hopefully they will all go to Hillary! ! !

[rodeodance]

74. it will up to super dels---and they will go with popular vote. Hillary wins

[rodeodance]

100. WY counts--you know. Your comments would not go over well with the voters

[Maddy McCall]

17. Mississippi was the first state to allow women to own private property...

in their own name.

We haven't come very far since, though. :(

[Lucinda]

31. I didn't know that about Mississippi, but I do know that

it only takes a moment for the world to change.

[TacticalPeek]

32. At the Mississippi Youth Congress in 64, we enacted womens' right to serve on state juries.

The actual legislature didn't get around to it until about five years later. Up until that point:

As recently as 1966, _State v. Hall_, 187 So.2d 861 (1966), the Mississippi Supreme Court wrote:

"The legislature has the right to exclude women so they may continue their service as mothers, wives, and homemakers, and also to protect them (in some areas, they are still upon a pedestal) from the filth, obscenity, and noxious atmosphere that so often pervades a courtroom during a jury trial."

As we maneuvered to get the bill through the Youth Congress House, I met with Ross Barnett down the hall at his governor's office and tried to get him to endorse it. He gave a hilarious and masterful demurral involving auto accidents and injuries to 'private parts' that must be displayed in court etc., but made sure I agreed not to quote him and cause trouble with the Garden Club ladies etc.

[rodeodance]

88. yes, I saw you thread about that yesterday.

[robbedvoter]

28. We celebrate March 8 in our home - hopefully it will be extra happy

[Lucinda]

30. That would be great, wouldn't it!

:party:

[Beacool]

33. Thank you!!!!

It was so nice to see a positive article about Hillary on this board. This place has become a cesspool and a disgrace to true Democrats, the vile things said about our candidates is truly sickening and disheartening.

This piece makes me feel better about her chances in WY. I don't think that she'll win the caucus, but I hope that she will pick up a fair share of the delegates.

[Lucinda]

80. Me too.

:)

[Johnny__Motown]

35. Voting for Hillary just hurts the party, She can't win enough delegates to catch up

[rodeodance]

45. she had fooled many before--be careful

[Justice Is Comin]

36. When Florida officially comes into the tally,

Obama will be sucking wind. The seniors down there will deluge the voting stations.

With Michigan re-do that will put him to his knees. Michigan is in even worse economic shape than Ohio.

And the coup de grace will be the endorsements I believe are on deck as we speak.

Wyoming is a vastly rural state and Hillary will take all those counties too. Farmers aren't stupid.

[bigtree]

39. !!!!

thanks for posting! :kick: :applause:

[Lucinda]

81. Thanks for kicking!

:hi:

[judaspriestess]

44. KICK

[Lucinda]

84. ...

:hi:

[Cali_Democrat]

47. Hillary's Problem

[rodeodance]

51. She has the MOJO---BO camp is in Damage CONTROL mode

[Lucinda]

104. Yup

[Lucinda]

53. I take it you haven't watched the news all week?

[Gore1FL]

60. I have. she didn't as big of a payout

as the cartoon suggests.

[Lucinda]

61. It was almost all Hillary all the time on CNN and MSNBC

Olbermann was the rare exception.

[Gore1FL]

65. That doesn;t earn her more delegates

Nor does it realistically bring her the 60% margins she needs in every remaining to *nearly* tie with Obama's large delegate lead in remaining contests.

It is not realisitc for a second palce candidate to get 60%-85% (depending on the final gap) of the super delegates.

[Lucinda]

70. We'll see...

[Gore1FL]

78. Yep.

[NDambi]

98. I love that toon..and its so true..lmao!!!!

Priceless

[Dogmudgeon]

52. ANY performance over 43% will clearly give Hillary the Mo

The national polls tend to cluster around 48%-43%, advantage Obama. Any and all out-performance by Hillary will be described as momentum, and rightly so.

When you're on the bottom, you can only go up; when you're on top, you can only go down.

However, while Hillary is behind by 5-10% in delegates, she is only behind 3-5% in the popular vote. The prospect of Obama arriving at the convention with more pledged delegates and Hillary with more voters will only become more likely in the next few months. Team Obama has its work cut out for it -- but experienced political campaigners know that all elections are like this.

--p!

[Lucinda]

54. I didn't think we had real numbers on the true popular vote

because of some of the caucus states? Am I missing something?

[Gore1FL]

62. Any thing over 50% for Obama

means an even wider gap.

Allthe momentum in the world isn't going to close it enough. That is simply the mathematical facts. It cannot be spun in any way to either candidate's benefit.

This can be denied all the way until august, but it doesn't make it any more true then than it is now.

[RememberWellstone]

55. This gonna be the surprise

that the Obama camp is not expecting, much like New Hampshire, they will count their chickens before the vote has been counted.

[rodeodance]

68. they were doing it Miss also. SAW sev. Obama posts say it would be a 'blowout' but him but

last poll today---not say that.

[Hoof Hearted]

56. Thanks for bringing positive news into this puerile, putrid swamp.

[teddiebear]

75. I love your tag line -

ain't it the truth.

[Lucinda]

83. It's nice to hear something good from the real world, isn't it?

:hi:

[XemaSab]

64. This looks like it would be an interesting thread

but half of the discussion seems to be dominated by "Ignored."

Who is this person, and how is he so prolific in this forum? :shrug:

[rodeodance]

76. gosh--you in that Obamabubble??

[teddiebear]

71. I hope she does well

and starts to ask some serious questions about Barack Obama's credibility.

[rodeodance]

77. REC

[LulaMay]

79. Very nice to hear. Thank you.

[Lucinda]

102. You're very welcome!

:hi:

[VotesForWomen]

85. good. nt

[Iceburg]

89. Great video -- lets hope Wyoming creates another "first" for America

[JoFerret]

91. Campaign back on track

I get a sense that Clinton's campaign is getting back on track and getting a grip. They lost it there for a while after the shock of the failure of the early game plan.

[RBInMaine]

92. Yup. Just keep on playing the gender card. What else????

[Maribelle]

99. Good luck in Wyoming today, Hillary.

You deserve a big win!

[rodeodance]

101. Yes--Good karma to Hillary

[ensho]

103. thanks for posting this

nt

[libbygurl]

105. K&R!

Go, Hillary!

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