Absolutely deplorable behavior by so many.

[Zynx]

Let's think about what I've seen today.

Obama Supporters: Dredging up old right-wing attacks on the Clintons and now saying they're legitimate. Acting downright childish about the delegate vs. popular vote issue claiming the will of the people is irrelevant. Calling for purging the party of the impure.

Clinton Supporters: Continued use of the Rezko "scandal" despite a shocking absence of hard evidence. Relying on racism to win the Mississippi Primary. Pretty vile attacks on both Obama and his supporters, and the same goes for the Obama supporters as well.

Nothing short of shocking and what is worse is that it is not confined to a few bad actors. It is very widespread. Shame on all of you. People are forsaking the principles of this great party for the gain of only their respective candidates.

[leftofcool]

1. But the repuke love it

why spoil their fun?

[babylonsister]

2. People are venting, and it's ... it's important!

Shocking? Nah. It'll be over....??

[Zynx]

3. Venting? Or insane ranting?

[babylonsister]

5. That broad brush doesn't suit you, or many in GD/P. nt

[Trajan]

4. FUCK YEAH ....

Thanks Zynx .... A voice of sanity emerging from the swamp of self interest and ego ....

[BeyondGeography]

6. I'm not a big fan of the "I'm above it all" post

In fact, they :boring: me to tears.

[Zynx]

7. Go to bed then.

[Trajan]

8. Im not a big fan of those who attack Democrats with pitifully weak RW claims ....

An atom of fact, with a sea of titillating speculation, spoon fed from RWers to DUers, courtesy of our 'friends' here in DU ....

Pitiful ....

[sandnsea]

9. Rethink please

There are NEW scandals waiting for the Clintons, a primary is supposed to do a certain amount of vetting of the FACTS. The RULES of the Dem Primary is based on DELEGATES, and that is just another FACT.

If you want to find things to play the "everybody's bad" game, you can. That's the game the Clintons have been playing for a year. It doesn't make it true.

[Zynx]

12. I suppose everything the Obama supporters say is Gospel truth?

Rarely had I seen such bullshit until I saw Herman Munster cheer on the racist vote in Mississippi.

By the way, the FACT that delegate representations from states might not represent the will of the people of those states is not something that we should advertise. It is a flaw in our system that never was properly revealed before this stress test.

[sandnsea]

18. Disprove it

Don't dump your suppositions in with a bunch of twisted shit to pretend they're all awful politicians. That's crap. I've had Herman Muenster on ignore for months.

The delegate proportionment is an affirmative action type thing, strictly "Democratic" in the sense of wanting to give extra voice to interest groups who bother to show up and vote. Because it isn't working in Hillary's favor this time is no reason to ignore it's original purpose.

FACT. If you get to the facts in this campaign, 90% of what has come out of Hillary's campaign has been shit and 90% of what's come out of Obama's campaign has been true. Not because *I* say so, but because FACTS don't lie.

[Zynx]

22. I'm sorry, but I'm an absolutist when it comes to representation.

Representation in all forms should reflect the will of the people with the one exception being the courts since they are the guardians of our precious rights. This is why I am a Democrat.

In any case, you know enough about argumentation to know that I don't have to disprove your two "90%" assertions. You have to prove them.

[sandnsea]

24. Take it up with the DNC

But as of THIS primary, the rules about proportional representation are what they are and your opinion doesn't matter. If you're an absolutist, you will understand that. That's the FACT and if it weren't, you'd have something more than your opinion to disprove it. So back to my OP, stop posting YOUR OPINION as if it were fact in order to engage in a smear campaign.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

26. So then it's not really that you object out of disaffected revulsion.

There's a reason you find so much of it distasteful.

No big deal. But let us not believe for a moment that you're immune. You too have entered the fray. Your holier-than-thou posture, I must say, was quite Obamaesque: you claim not to participate in the dirtiness, all the while wallowing in the filth of the rest of us pigs. You bore me. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Oink, oink. SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYY.

[jsmirman]

10. I'm sorry, but Hillary is trying to destroy "this great party" on her own

she has shown that she will gladly take a fire bomb to it all if it suits her purposes. I'm not interested in the old stuff- I'm just repulsed by what she's been willing to do these last few weeks.

Hillary has forsaken all principles in pursuit of the only thing she cares about- power.

[Faygo Kid]

14. Yeah, it's "all equal." We have heard this before. "Both sides at fault."

It is, apparently, a winning strategy by the Hillary campaign, because it seems to be working. Accuse your opponent of doing the awful things you actually do yourself. Hmmmm... Where have I heard that before?

[anigbrowl]

11. Thanks for your even-handed criticism - much needed.

This place has turned into a hatefest and I suspect a good many of the prime haters are plain old trolls, either from freeperville or just out for kicks.

[surfin]

13. I feel like the 12 year old girl that was rape and then have Hillary

attack me, not the rapist. She makes me sick and that is no right wing talking point on her, just facts.

[Catherine Vincent]

17. What a sad little troll you are.

nt

[surfin]

27. What is sad is Hillary doing that and Obama would not

Truth hurt, no trolling.

[MannyGoldstein]

15. Links For The Obama-Supporter Misdeeds?

I'm not thrilled about some of the things Obama supporters have written, but I've seen very few posts from Obamaphiles that are absurd or simply awful.

[Zynx]

23. Here's one that is both stupid and awful:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4934243

What's worse about it is that 150 people agreed.

[ryanmuegge]

16. Passion is good, but it'll be nice when all of this is resolved one way or the other.

I don't think it's wise to give the corporate media three more months of "look at these petty, disorganized, self-serving, hypocritical phony, bickering, anti-democratic (in the larger sense, not referring to party affiliation) Democrats: they can't even get their shit together to name a nominee" kind of coverage. I fear that this could be damaging in the general election.

[Thepricebreaker]

19. Shame on me... Trust me if it wasnt Hillary you wouldnt be seeing this.. Imagine her in the GE. LOL

[seabeyond]

20. i wish someone in the republican camp had stood up and spoke out against his rove tactics

but nobody did. then we got bush. twice. and two good dems, gore and kerry, were screwed by lies and corupt campaigning. IF ONLY someone in their party had the integrity to speak against the dirty campaigning.

[PurityOfEssence]

21. Hey, sometimes you have to really get shrill to cover the reality that they're so similar

Truly: his great claim to fame is not having done something for which he wasn't called to account.

His ability to be on both sides of an issue is quite akin to hers, and they've both danced so gracefully around so many things that we should throw flowers at their dogfight pas de deux, not invective. Personally, I can't wait for the damned curtain call, but I think I'm gonna skip the wrap party.

Those who rage endlessly with the dudgeon of the wronged that she's so obviously ethically inferior to him are in fantasyland. It's shocking to think people are actually lionizing a calculated stylemonger to such a degree that it almost makes me like Hillary Clinton. Who'da thunk?

Still, they're the best we've got, and any other option but a Democratic victory would be a nightmare, regardless of the unholy mess the next president will have to untangle.

These two are very much cut from the same cloth, and it's more and more obvious with each sloppy and pre-denied assault. Much of this frenzy from the supporters is simply attributable to the godawful human need to have everything be a black-and-white certainty: to worship either of these two takes such elaborate mental gymnastics and discordant selectivity that the impact on the mind must be like trying to do calligraphy during an orgy in a canoe crossing hurricane seas. It can be done, but it's not a pleasant read.

They're both turning a blind eye toward racism and sexism that benefits them, and they're both misrepresenting their own and each others actions, inactions and infractions. Who's worse, who's more electable and who's better are all open questions that basically devolve to personal taste and prejudices. Many have shown their good sides during this sloppy brawl, but many more haven't.

There's more to come, and there's no moral high ground in this gutter; the best one can do is the curb, and neither of them seems to have ascended to that exalted position lately. The only reason I'm harder on Obama at this point is because of the galling, sanctimonious horse shit of bedazzled pilgrims in his glorious pageant.

Still, a fight's a fight, and that's what a primary's supposed to be.

[Yossariant]

28. Quite a post.

:thumbsup:

[Johnny__Motown]

25. The rules are in place to protect the will of the voters, breaking rules silences these voices.

There are people who did not vote because they were told that no delegates were at stake.

Now assigning delegates after the fact disenfranchises these voters. Either give everyone a chance to vote or stick to the rules that were in place when the vote was taken.

Hillary is only doing this for political advantage. You can't believe for a second that she would be trying to have the delegates seated if she had lost these contests.

[Awsi Dooger]

29. It was inevitable, and it's why I've seldom posted on DU this cycle

Put Hillary in the equation and it was obvious for years what DU would look like during a heated primary season. I decided more than a year ago I'd primarily save my energy for the general. Especially since my top choice -- Edwards (once Warner opted out) -- obviously had no chance this time.

But I will say, as a current Hillary supporter, I think it's a farce so many Democrats are condemning super delegates, and their potential to decide the nomination. Give me super delegates and forget the public preference. I've posted along those lines for years on DU. No one likes it but it provides credibility on this issue. I've emphasized at least a half dozen times over the years that I'd prefer to eliminate primaries and let an all-powerful party chief dictate the nominee. Super delegates are probably the closest we'll ever get to that dream scenario.

I've lived in Las Vegas for 20+ years and the public inevitably gets it wrong. Whenever there's dispute between public consensus and a premier handicapper, give me the later every time and I'll laugh my way to victory a huge percentage of the time. IMO, politics is no different, particularly when Democrats are doing the handicapping. Bottom line: we'll win more often, and enjoy successful presidencies, if the public is not involved.