All Things Being Equal, I'm Going With the Chick

[NashVegas]

That's basically what it comes down to. There's very little difference between the candidacies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. She has more experience of playing "the game," that's for certain. None of her top advisers are foolish enough to call her opposition a "monster," or say the truly amateur things that Powers went to the press with. Gotta give her that.


BO's top 15 contributors:

Goldman Sachs $474,428
Ubs Ag $298,180
JP Morgan Chase & Co $282,387
Lehman Brothers $274,147
National Amusements Inc $265,750
Sidley Austin LLP $251,657
Citigroup Inc $247,436
University of California $239,944
Skadden, Arps et al $228,520
Exelon Corp $226,661
Harvard University $225,891
Jones Day $213,825
Google Inc $192,808
Time Warner $190,091
Morgan Stanley $190,026

HC's top 15:

DLA Piper $490,800
Goldman Sachs $426,100
Morgan Stanley $368,670
Citigroup Inc $353,900
EMILY's List $283,142
Lehman Brothers $254,400
JP Morgan Chase & Co $231,220
National Amusements Inc $217,500
Skadden, Arps et al $198,610
Greenberg Traurig LLP $185,400
Kirkland & Ellis $182,550
PricewaterhouseCoopers $173,650
Merrill Lynch $165,750
Time Warner $163,650
University of California $161,318

[Uben]

1. Me, too!

Experience over the "just words guy"

[JimGinPA]

3. What Experience?

Still haven't had that defined.

[Uben]

16. Then you never will

No one has an obligation to explain what you cannot or will not comprehend.

[JimGinPA]

37. I Certainly Understand What's Been Proffered - I Just Dispute It's Substance

Nice deflection though.

[LaurenG]

2. No but her top advisers are foolish enough to call Senator Obama "Kenneth Starr"

who is a monster. And she herself suggested that a republican? would make a better president. Hello?

[NashVegas]

5. He Said "Imitating Ken Starr"

You choose not to see the difference.

[Gore1FL]

17. the nuance is so subtle

there isn't a difference.


On edit: I take that back. there is a difference. Instead of resigning Hillary bought into the stupidity and agreed with it.

[LaurenG]

22. Are you choosing not to see some pretty obvious things as well?

neither of the candidates are my ideal. Both of them need to bring it up a notch and yes you are correct "imitating Kenneth" IS a tiny bit different but not enough to make a difference.

Will you address the issue of suggesting McCain could do a better job? Would you not be incensed if Senator Obama had suggested McCain could do a better job than Senator Clinton?

I would have been.

[NashVegas]

38. She Didn't Endorse McCain

By pointing out his experience in nat'l politics and Obama's lack of it highlighted that she felt she was the better match to go against him.

[LaurenG]

47. Did I use the word endorse here?

She suggested that a republican would make a better president. If Obama had said that about her I would have been furious, but I guess that's just me. :eyes:

[NashVegas]

52. No But Every Other Obama Supporter on the Board Does

So why should I assume you weren't going there?

[LaurenG]

55. Well now you know me, I'm not a basher

I do have a preference in candidates but will back the democrat who wins. :hi:

[NashVegas]

57. I'm Sure Most Will Do the Same

In the end.

[earthlover]

56. Oh please. Be honest. She said McCain had a lifetime of experience, passed the threshold of

commander in chief, while Obama just had one speech. No matter what word you use to describe this, she is dissing the potential Democratic nominee while saying the Republican nominee is better. I dont think this shows any party loyalty, and even worse, this will make it more likely for us to have to use the phrase "President McCain" in the future. Add this to the dishonesty on the NAFTA issue, her refusal to disclose her tax returns that were filed 11 months ago and much more, we have a pattern.

[NashVegas]

58. She Is Dissing Her Opponent!

Which is what most candidates do, and what most people expect their candidate to do.

If a candidate cannot take a bloody nose and emerge the victor, they can't win.

[earthlover]

63. Saying the Republican nominee is better than a Democratic nominee is NOT common!

Can you name even ONE time during the entire United States History when that has happened? Give me a quote of a Democratic presidential candidate saying another Democratic presidential candidate is worse than the Republican nominee.

Hillary can criticise Obama. But she should also be criticising McCain more!

What Hillary is doing is making it more likely for McCain to emerge the winner. Her words could be used against our nominee in the Fall, whether it was Obama, Hillary or a joint ticket.

[SoxFan]

59. I'll take the "unseasoned" team

They didn't do John McCain's work for him with asinine remarks about "giving a speech".

They didn't lie about negotiating a peace agreememnt in Ireland when all they did was attend a tea party at belfast City Hall.

They didn't lie about opening the borders to Bosnian refugees.

They didn't send out scurrilous RW emails.

They didn't insinuate that opposing candidates sold illegal drugs.

[dailykoff]

4. The problem is things are NOT equal:

Hillary: voted for the Iraq war (IWR), Obama protested against it.

Hillary: voted against the cluster bomb ban (Feinstein amendment), Obama voted for it.

Hillary: voted for the Iran war (K-Lieberman), Obama did not.

THE TRIFECTA!!

[rug]

6. I must have missed the Iran War. Is that the one after Obama goes into Pakistan?

[dailykoff]

9. It's the one that starts on day one.

Hello..

[rug]

14. Of course. She's invading Iran January 20 while gnawing on a fetus.

How foolish of me to overlook that.

[dailykoff]

25. What the heck do you think that day one line means?

She's got one hard-core constituency and you better believe they get it.

[rug]

27. That she will not make the stupid mistakes we've seen him make all week.

[dailykoff]

30. Like voting for the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman?

Oh wait, the IWR wasn't a mistake, because Condoleeza phoned her up and told her Dick was on the level. :crazy:

[rug]

33. Was that this week? Oh, no, it was before she and Obama voted to fund the war.

[dailykoff]

35. She's been screwing up for 35 years.

Of course, if you think genocide is a good idea, you might see things differently.

[rug]

40. So, now you claim she's running on a platform of genocide?

I'm tired. Do me a favor and go alert yourself.

[dailykoff]

44. Ok let's call it spreading democracy.

And now we return to our regularly scheduled propaganda.

[rug]

46. Let's call it spreading manure.

[cboy4]

49. "Do me a favor and go alert yourself."

:spray:

[LaurenG]

32. Um

:spray: :rofl:

[11 Bravo]

64. Nostradumbass has seen the future. How dare you question the sage!

[CatnHat]

7. Thanks for posting

this. I was losing "hope" that rational people didn't post anymore on the DU. Anyway, I am a Clinton supporter, and I agree. Hillary is smart enough not be sucked in with out of control advisers who can't keep their mouth shut. Glad you posted an equal share of contributors. Truth trumps hope any day.

[eShirl]

8. "all things being equal" then as you say, this chick is going with the brother

[NashVegas]

13. That's the Beauty of Democracy

..

[NDambi]

10. I'm going to go with the "dude" no thanks to the chick you can keep her

[npincus]

21. there is no (male) equivalent to "chick", is there?

None comes to mind, in terms of condescension.

[NDambi]

26. You're right...but had an Obama supporter said that..all hell would break loose..

[npincus]

39. WAAAAAAH... they're being MEAN to me again!

WAAAAAAAH... they like HIM better than they like ME!





WAAAAAAAH.... if I can't be president, NOBODY can! (except John McCain... he's GREAT!)


:rofl:

[NDambi]

41. ha ha priceless

[npincus]

45. WAAAAAAH... they keep asking ME the first question

...and it's HARD!

[npincus]

11. From an Obama supporter: calling HRC a "chick" is disrespectful

and sexist.

Lack of medda savvy on the part of Obama's advisor, a highly respected academic and intellectual, is a ridiculous reason to spurn the candidate. By that measure, you will always find yourself in same corner with people like Rove (or Mark Penn); gamers, manipulators and smear merchants.

[NashVegas]

15. I've Seen Far Worse

Bitch, harpy. Monster. Shrew.

And the media savvy part? Not knowing how to handle oneself in situations where protocol is required is going to get you chewed for lunch.

[Gore1FL]

23. yep

she got her ass handed to her over the ken starr remark.

[Arkansas Granny]

12. I'm with you. Her experience at facing the RW slime machine is going

to be an advantage for her, also. She's a fighter and not a quitter. However, should Obama be the Democratic nominee, I will vote for him with no problem.

[dailykoff]

18. Facing it? She's running it!

And when was the last time she fought for anything but her own promotion, just like every other corporate rat fink? :shrug:

[CatnHat]

20. How about all

that money Obama and Clinton racked up!! Bet some Obama supporters didn't think he had it in him accept very large contributions--and here I thought all along, most of his money was small donations. So, again,what's the difference between Obama and other politicians? Really.

[dailykoff]

28. Speaking of money, how come Hillary won't release her tax returns?

That would be revealing.

[CatnHat]

34. Oh boy, here we go again--

:boring: :boring: :boring:

It's kinda like Bush supporters linking Iraq with 9/11. One thing about the Obama camp. They love repetition.

[dailykoff]

36. Um, you raised the issue.

Now run along. :hi:

[CatnHat]

42. Obama's

major contributors have nothing to do with Hillary tax returns. Oh brother, another Obama supporter in denial.

[dailykoff]

48. Edwards said he and Obama don't take money from lobbyists, Hillary does.

But I imagine you missed that debate. :hi:

[cboy4]

51. And how come Obama won't apologize for embracing

a notorious homophobe?

That would be revealing.

[npincus]

54. apples for apples w/the tons of $ the Clintons have gotten for Bill's Library from dubious sources?

Not to mention knowing WHO their income is coming from so the public can decide whether or not they think that special interests may influence their decision-making? The Clintons have a long list of sleazebags they've associated with, with no apologies given so I don't think it benefits HRC to go there.

[Perry Logan]

19. It's The Chick vs. The Prick.

Just kidding.

[CatnHat]

24. LOL

:popcorn:

[npincus]

29. No: The Chick vs. Colonel Sanders.... cause Hillary's gettin' fried!

[frogcycle]

31. maybe "cock" would be more in keeping with the bird analogy

[NashVegas]

43. That's Not Nice

Although if I were going to give his campaign an entity ...

[npincus]

50. wink, wink

[barack the house]

53. MORE Barack scandal here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ItzF78vbM&feature=user

maybe

[dailykoff]

60. Obama got 450+ k from universities, including Harvard and UC,

and HIllary got about a third of that, according to your list. No, all things are NOT equal.

[GalleryGod]

61. Crisco! Read about "The Big Girl", here!

[NashVegas]

62. Regnery Publishing

By any chance?