Should Obama be under investigation by the Ethics Committee?

[Tellurian]

Last night, John McLaughlin on McLaughlin Group raising the issue of whether the Senate Ethics Committee should be holding hearings on whether Obama accepted (an) illegal gift(s) from Rezko. Seeing Obama has never been fully vetted, except what he's written about himself in his book. Funny, though, Obama left out the part about how the slumlord, Rezko, helped catapult his career for the good or the bad into the national spotlight.

[tekisui]

1. nope.

[niceypoo]

38. I agree...

...this is Ken Starr territory

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Not unless there's some evidence

the mere accusation isn't enough to warrant an Ethics committee investigation.

[JimGinPA]

3. Do You Really Want To Discuss Ethics As A Clinton Supporter?

Really?

[davidinalameda]

4. I'm all for it

they'll come up with nothing and will galvanize support for him

[mjg540]

5. YES!

Calm the fears...If there is nothing there then nothing to fear...

[cali]

Educate yourself- if it's at all possible.

There will be ethics investigation because there is zero evidence that Obama did anything to merit it. It may be your wet dream, but it aint' happening.

[mjg540]

66. Educate myself on Rezko?????????

Me thinks you protest too much. You want him elected right? Remember, he's the squeaky clean candidate. Have no fear.

[cali]

6. The false meme about how he hasn't been vetted

is absurd. And sorry, it's not gonna happen. There is zero evidence that Obama did anything wrong. Fitzgerald has cleared him. But I do love your bitter disappointment.

[indimuse]

73. again cali you miss the mark!

who cares what his supporter and dems think...the RW and MSM will turn this into ...i'm afraid you nor the Obab's are quite ready for...the timing of this trial is not in obama ;s favor...as they proceed..more questions will be collected for Obama to answer...which he has NOT! The more he tries to avoid the press on Rezko..the more suspicion HE creates!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. Is There Anything Anywhere NEAR Substantial Enough Yet Of Implication To Warrant Such A Thing?

The ethics committee should only be used when evidence is so strong that it warrants such a move. Has such evidence yet come forth, or are you just saying this out of blind partisan silliness for sake of swiftboating a good Dem? If the former, then absolutely. If the latter, then get a grip.

[Tellurian]

40. The Rezko/Obama connection question..

does include "influence pedaling". Was there a quid pro quo?...(If) Obama helped Rezko in getting Federal Funding for those low income apartments? And in return, Rezko (who was his campaign chairman) solicited donations on his behalf for his US Senate election. Rezko is as crooked as a dog's leg and he and Obama had a 17 yr relationship. Obama, the ambitious one. Rezko, the sleaze. The two are a bad mix and Obama being as weak as he is...did he succumb at some point in time to ethics violations that could be considered criminal? I think it's a valid question.

Stuff like that!

[Hawkeye-X]

43. Google "Individual H" - go ahead, I dare you. Rezko is NOT only Obama's contributor but also HRC's

Go on. You want to sic Ethics Committee on Obama, might as well sic it on Clinton, and it'll get even worse for her.

Go ahead, I dare you.

[Tellurian]

49. Hawky.. I did already, last week when you mentioned it..

It was sooo bad, I don't remember what I found.

[Hawkeye-X]

56. Then you haven't done your homework.....

you get a big fat F in this class.

[LVjinx]

67. Hasn't it been substantiated Rezko never donated to the Clintons?

If not, what's your source so I can see for myself. All I've seen that suggests they've ever had anything to do with each other is one of those "It's your turn, take the photo fast" pictures of the Clintons with a stream of essentially anonymous convention-goers.

[Hepburn]

8. No.

Anything else I can clear up for you?

[whistle]

9. Certainly if there is any truth to it, we don't need any surprises three weeks

....before election day in November

[Tellurian]

12. Especially, where Republicans know how to make little things stick...

Only because they nabbed Obama conducting campaign business in his Senate office with David Axelrod, a violation of federal law. I believe there is a photo floating around of them together in his Senate office.

[thunder rising]

10. "John McLaughlin on McLaughlin Group" Now that's a source of truth and integrity.

[Tellurian]

13. Why do you think he's going to shut up if Obama is the nominee?

[WillyT]

11. Should Hillary Clinton Become A Republican ???

:evilgrin:

[frogcycle]

14. that is really muckraking

suggesting the ethics committee with no more to go on that vague innuendo

damn I am tired of this shitfight

[cooolandrew]

15. Deal you investigate ours we'll investigate yours. Or maybe leave it yeah. Best really....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4929782

[Rock_Garden]

16. It's time to talk about that. Thanks, Tell.

[Tellurian]

21. Have you noticed the same suspects show up..

because the subject matter is a little too mundane for them ?..

[Rock_Garden]

22. There's definitely a pattern of activity.

[Tellurian]

28. I wish I could post your cartoons here..

they would help break up the ugly atmosphere that has been hanging over this place for some time. :shrug:

[Rock_Garden]

33. I'll draw a couple of DU GDP ones and send them to you.

:P

[Tellurian]

42. But..

I don't know how to get them off my e-mail..They seem to go into a lockbox..like forever.. :)

If you post them at your site, maybe..? I don't know..

[JackORoses]

17. Should Tellurian be under investigation by the DU Ethics Committee?

Survey says....Hell Yes!

I love watching Hillary crumble. Your desparation is like the sweet aroma of success.

Will your trash site stay open once it no longer has a contending namesake?

[Tellurian]

19. Attacking moi because your candidate doesn't have a clean bill of health?

I'm not running this year. Maybe, next election cycle. I may even suggest legislation adopting more states (from the old USSR) and assigning my own delegates, seeing I come from a large family with no political history, that could be a big plus against any future opponent.

[jaxx]

18. Why does the name Hsu keep coming to mind?

[Tellurian]

20. Because those letters are found in "Hussein"?

[jaxx]

23. Nah. $850,000 in contributions to the Clintons.

Barack Hussein Obama........I'm glad you like the name.

[JoFerret]

74. Nice enough name

But does not using the Rodham in Clinton's remind people of how the GOP did that as a way to remind people back in the day that she was a scary "feminist".

[Hawkeye-X]

44. Go back to your echo chamber, Tellurian.

You'll find comfort when Hillary concedes after next Tuesday when the bloc bombs hit.

Hawkeye-X

[Tellurian]

81. I have no idea what a bloc bomb is?

[CyberPieHole]

24. Yes, I want to see Obama in handcuffs doing the perp walk on TeeVee...

Obama and Rezko are both cut from the same criminal cloth.

:kick: and rec

[cali]

64. keep wanking off to that sick little fantasy of yours because that's

all it will ever be. I don't begrudge you your pitiful solitary pleasures.

[BootinUp]

75. come on, you're joking. nt

[cindyw]

25. Name the illegal gifts he got. You can't investigate someone just to see IF there might be. Slander

[Medusa]

26. When we get a look at HRC's tax returns, she'll be the one under investigation

not Obama.

[JPZenger]

27. Tellurian.org - Services for adolescents in need of drug and mental health treatment

Tellurian,

I've read your posts for some time and have been rather concerned. Then I looked up Tellurian on the web and this is what came up on google:

"Tellurian.org - Services for adolescents in need of drug treatment and mental health therapy."

Now it all makes sense.

[Tellurian]

30. You have no idea how many DU posters are my regular clients...

just kidding.. I should have trademarked the name and been relaxing on a beach somewhere in the Bahamas.

[mtnsnake]

32. another DUer who can't defend Obama so he attacks the OPer to divert the subject

Nice try...

[Tellurian]

37. Even nicer..

S/he thinks Tellurian is my real name.. :rofl: (shhh! don't tell him it isn't)

[angie_love]

63. Isn't your real name Alex? Outed by politico?

[OzarkDem]

39. Its usually freepers who snoop into people's personal lives

to try and do them harm.

Strange to see such behavior in a DU poster.

[Tellurian]

41. So, if we miscalculate with Obama and consider him A-OK..

and he is the nominee... and as someone said, 3 weeks before the election the slugs throw us a curve ball, that even Tweety can't spin out of, damning Obama as a criminal fraud.. we just screwed ourselves into sustaining the Third loss of a Democratic president. Because...we were too weak to fight the Obama zealots?

[OzarkDem]

52. Fight the Obama zealots

but its wrong for the freeps among them to attempt prying into peoples lives.

[Hawkeye-X]

46. I'm still waiting for *HIM* to be dragged off to a local mental health center

and into the secure ward, and right into the padded wall 24/7/365

[whatchamacallit]

29. This reminds me of John Stewart's bit about the questions at the bottom of the screen on FOX news

"Is your mother a whore?"

[moobu2]

31. The simple appearance of impropriety is enough for an investigation.

[Tellurian]

34. That was the usual criteria pre-Obama for anyone running for the Leader of the FREE World.

It seems Obama is immune to scrutiny by fellow Democrats. Or perhaps, I wasn't paying attention before. Did we leave it to Republicans to do the muckraking for us, while we sat in the corner with our clean hands folded. I must have been too young to know the protocols for electing a person to the highest office in the land.

[DearAbby]

35. What gifts? n/t

[OzarkDem]

36. If roles were reversed and he were GOP

what would Dems say?

[Tellurian]

48. They'd call him an intergral part of the Chicago Mob...

with all powerful Federal connections right up to the Top!

[OzarkDem]

54. I'm trying to apply the Bush/GOP rule

to as much of this primary stuff as possible.

Obama's Rezko connections and the lack of any real knowledge about his background and other connections is trouble waiting to happen.

[JoFerret]

59. Shred him

.

[noel711]

45. Oh I think someone needs examination over ethics....

but it isn't Senator Obama.


There should be standards for politicking....
ethical standards that candidates, and their campaigns adhere to
for the good of the country...

Kneecapping another candidate, intimidating another campaign,
running ads that 'fear mongers,' and taking over the conversation
in a debate from the moderators should be out of bounds...

[Tellurian]

60. Can you tell us what summer jobs Obama had when a student..

in high school or college?

[ProSense]

47. No matter how often you post BS, it will not change the facts: Rezko has nothing to do with Obama

Not much about Obama at Ill. fraud trial

By MIKE ROBINSON, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 7, 7:05 PM ET

CHICAGO - Two things already are clear in the $7 million federal fraud trial of a fundraiser for some of presidential hopeful Barack Obama's earlier political campaigns.

The fraud, attempted extortion and money laundering charges against businessman Antoin "Tony" Rezko have little if anything to do with Obama. But they have a lot to do with Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich and allegations of an influence-peddling scheme within his inner circle.

Even so, as a presidential contender, Obama was guaranteed to feel the heat when a longtime friend and supporter went on trial in a political scandal.

Neither Obama nor Blagojevich are accused of wrongdoing in the trial, which began with opening statements Thursday and took a break Friday. But Obama's Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton has raised questions about his long ties to Rezko, and if the Illinois senator wins the nomination Republicans are likely to do the same.

"I think the national and international press have repeatedly done a calculation that says Rezko gave to Obama, Rezko was indicted, hence Obama is implicated, and that's a false calculation," says Cindi Canary, head of the nonpartisan, foundation-funded Illinois Campaign for Political Reform.

"This trial is about allegations of improper influence in the Blagojevich administration," she says.

link

There is nothing there and never will be. Sorry to disappoint you!

[SKKY]

50. McLaughlin should just read what Patrick Fitzherald concluded...

...Nothing wrong, illegal, or unethical took place. Can we please, please, move on from this? There is really nothing here.

[Tellurian]

57. Do you have a link to Fitzgerald's conclusions..

I haven't seen it..

[SKKY]

62. I'm looking for an article, but I heard it on MSNBC...

...during the coverage of the Ohio, Texas, RI, and Vermont primaries. It was the bald black gentleman who was discussing it, well arguing the point actually, with Donna Brazille. I'm at work, but I'll keep looking.

[Tellurian]

76. "but I'll keep looking".. OK, I'll be waiting....

[Vinca]

51. I watched the McLaughlin Group and, for the life of me, I can't figure

out the brouhaha over the purchase of the house and abutting strip of land. The people who sold the house were asking $600,000 more than the final sale price. That's not necessarily unusual. Sometimes people overprice their homes. My own home, for example, was on the market 10 years at $300,000 before we purchased it for $125,000 with a $15,000 septic system thrown in. In addition, the sellers have verified it was an arms-length transaction. The strip of land doesn't strike me as odd, either. It was subdivided from the original lot to tack onto the Obama property and it looks to me as if he paid a fair price given the price of the lot to begin with. The only issue is the character of Rezko and that will be determined at the end of the current trial. If Obama is going to somehow be pegged with guilt by association, I've got some Whitewater land to sell you.

[jlake]

53. Yes. Absolutely.

[NightWatcher]

55. Hillary, Show me your tax returns

[Tellurian]

58. You'll just have to wait like everyone else..

until April 22nd. At least that was the date I heard they were to be released. They could apply for an Aug 15th extension if they need to.. It all depends on their accountant.

[cali]

65. really? they need an August 15, 2008 extension for their 2006 tax return?

how interesting. they're busy figuring out what they can redact and white out so that voters don't know exactly how much billy and hillypoo have taken from crooked sources and stashed in off shore tax havens- like bill's $700,000 sale of worthless stock.

There is NO good reason why they keep putting off releasing their 2006 tax return- or earlier ones. And we know that she won't really release it before PA. Poor pitiful victim hilly will have yet another excuse.

[IsItJustMe]

61. Simple to aswer. NO, next, nuff said.

[krkaufman]

68. Not sure. But please do forward more McLaughlin suggestions.

He's a well-respected, unbiased Washington elder that Democrats should be heeding.

[anonymous171]

69. I saw rezko, then I yawned.

Hillary isn't 44 strikes again.

[intaglio]

70. Hey, Tellus man

Why are you still pushing the slime site "Hillaryis44"?

Why are you still pushing Rezko?

And why aren't you pushing for Hillary's tax returns?

Why don't you tell people that your name comes from the fiction of L Ron Hubbard and the fascist fiction of E E "Doc" Smith.

The world is waiting for answers.

[Tellurian]

77. It's Tellurian.. not Tellus..

at least get that right!

[intaglio]

82. Tellurian is the term used by these minor writers

for a person from Tellus (Earth). So I got it right, Tellus man

[Catherina]

71. Here's some more proof to make your case rock hard solid

Oh my, who are those people flanking Rezko? Say it ain't so Sherlock.

[Tellurian]

79. So, you're working for the Today Show..

Have they made a determination if that Rezko pic is photo-shopped yet?

[blogslut]

72. ..

nevermind

[BootinUp]

78. What a ridiculous suggestion nt

[Tellurian]

80. Apparently, Obama didn't think so.

Isn't "Ethics" Legislation the only Bill he sponsored that was passed?