|
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend Bookmark this thread |
This topic is archived. |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:03 PM Original message |
WP, pg1: Downside of Obama Strategy: Losses in Big States Spur General-Election Fears |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pbca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Obama won Texas n/t |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Really? What's the final caucus vote? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Yes, what's the final caucus vote, and why is it listed as a win for her if the |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
24. Because she won the primary. The caucus is another thing entirely. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #24 |
45. Of course we know that, but the media rarely makes that distinction. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. 3: 1 for Clinton---common knowledge across America. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
60. What was the final caucus count? I haven't seen it anywhere. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
70. In TX, you can't vote in the caucus unless you voted in the primary. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Unfortunately for you a primary is closer to reflecting general election realities than a caucus. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. This is one reason why red states are caucuses, the party has dismissed them from the getgo. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
16. States get to choose themselves how they hold their elections. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Tennessee, Oklahoma, Utah, Arizona, Texas, etc all have primaries |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. most of those will be red in the GE |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. keyword being "open" primary or caucus and Obama wins only OPEN ones with Rethuglican votes |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Caucus here in Colorado was Closed....Obama blew it out |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
87. what was the final tally for CO - 68 - 31 - or something like that? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. Ohio was an open primary & Hillary won in the heavy GOP exurb counties that went for Bush |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. You mean like Washington State? Which is a BLUE state? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
68. I didn't realize that. Thanks. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
The Velveteen Ocelot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
91. Red states like Minnesota? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
28. Clinton won the primary vote in Texas, and primary v. caucus... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. OH gee--newspapers across America--big headlines say Clinton 3:1. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
2. be afraid....be afraid |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. your post is a hoot - you're the one with the pic of obama as something to fear. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. I disagree. It is a concern |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. angry? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
53. That's a horrible pic of Obama |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
69. It's a pretty big card. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
AX10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
3. Kick |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
40ozDonkey (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
5. What? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
6. Sorry, but.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. I am maybe the only one here who posts articles without an agenda. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. I think you should take a long walk and let DeepModemMom |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
7. Jesus, you would think Obama lost some of these states by HUGE MARGINS |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. He lost California, New Jersey, and Ohio by pretty big margins. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. So you are telling me, |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. They may stay home |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. Why would they stay home |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. And just what |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Not implying anything...just wondering |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Why do all the Obama people |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Excuse me....where did you read |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #58 |
89. It's called inferring |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. I hadn't implied anything...maybe you need to take a good look inside. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
81. I was fine with either until she went negative simply because she was losing |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #35 |
64. The stay home or defect to McCain insinuation is based on Democratic white racism, doncha know |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. That's what I inferred |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
newfie4 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
59. some will |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DearAbby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. LOL! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. And they flip to McCain because he's got great economy bona fides or is it becuse they love 100 year |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. Talk to Obama and his wife about that. They started the "my voters will not go to her" meme. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. If you mean new to the political process young voters, yes I can see them losing interest |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM Original message |
Sizeable, but not a landslide |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
29. He won the cities, where we always win |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
37. Not as much as she lost Wisconsin, Maryland, and Virginia by |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
100. Less than 10% in CA now. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. big problems for Obama in the GE |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
12. I'm afraid I can't understand this "big state" logic. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
thoughtcrime1984 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Exactly, this big state fear is unfounded |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
42. not true |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. And you actually think they'll go blue with Hillary? You poor thing. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
72. Add Florida, even though at this point their vote is not being counted, AGAIN! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. turning a red state blue? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Read your history books re the last line. FDR and JFK come to mind. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. JFK was not on the ballot in the Ohio primary, so not a good example |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
34. I agree about the blue states. But I am a little worried about Ohio |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Dark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
25. How the hell was he supposed to win NY? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
26. Do people seriously think California and New York |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. I hope you're not addressing me as the OP personally. See post 15. The point... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
bain_sidhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
47. No, of course not |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. don't bet on it.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
surfin (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
31. Big Govt is firing it guns to try to destroy Obama |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Sorry |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. i agree |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Oy |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. Clinton will not win Ohio |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
pdxmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
36. Isn't the entire premise of this article belied by the SUSA electoral |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Do you have those, mom? Or a link to a post with them? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #46 |
63. Here you go Mom! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Thank you, woolldog! I'll take a look now -- and maybe others will, too. nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
57. No, it is reinforced by the SUSA data |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. And John Kerry looked strong this many months before the general |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #57 |
76. What do you think of the number of states that Obama outperforms Hillary |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
roseBudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. This election is going to come down to an electorate that will decide in the last month |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
cottonseed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
71. A ham sandwich will take CA and NY for the democrats. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Kurt_and_Hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I'm not sure about that... a ham sandwich might lose the Jewish vote in NY |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
newfie4 (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #73 |
85. and so will Obama! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
77. Great Article. Thanks! |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
78. this is a reality that O groupies refuse to acknowlege. WY, UT, and SC are not going to give dems an |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
79. Downside of Clinton Strategy: SHE LOSES. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. loses what? Wyoming and Utah? nt |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. That is a fucking downside..but the washed out |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Actually.... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
gaspee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Exactly |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:52 PM Response to Original message |
92. Uhhh, last time I looked this was a PRIMARY not a GE |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
93. If Obama wins the nomination he will lose to McCain in the GE... |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
94. This argunent sounds good at the surface, but it can get knocked down easily. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
95. Total spin. A Democrat is not going to lose CA or NY, and a Democrat could win TX |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Texas will NOT go Democratic this year; otherwise good post |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Raffi Ella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
96. Great Post |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
98. this will settle all fears, but sadly not the fear mongering |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Good post, but NO WAY Nebraska, NC, SC and TX are "in play" his year. |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
Gore1FL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:19 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Ok |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
HeraldSquare212 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
103. What's her strength in states that will not vote Democratic in the fall? |
Printer Friendly | Permalink | | Top |
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) | Thu Apr 25th 2024, 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
Advertisements [?] |
Top |
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) |
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators
Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.
Home | Discussion Forums | Journals | Store | Donate
About DU | Contact Us | Privacy Policy
Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.
© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC