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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:53 PM Original message |
This proportional delegate thing is awful. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. It would be fine if there were no Superdelegates.... Then they would BOTH know exactly what... |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I prefer the Republicans' method. |
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TAWS (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. The Republican system is a hybrid, some are winner take all, it's not fair at all |
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ctaylors6 (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
28. I kinda like majority apportioned but some bonus % (eg 10-20%) for winning state |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #28 |
34. That's fairer. Winner take all definitely isn't. |
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Abacus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. I despise winner take all methods. /nt |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's also an enormous expense for such little return. There's got to be a better way...n/t |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Yep. What the hell is the point? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
50. it is not even proportional - AA areas get more del. votes to reward past loyal voting plus |
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ossman (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. and Obama actually won more delegates in TX! |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. "and Obama actually won more delegates in TX!" |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:15 PM Response to Reply #22 |
62. Sure. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
6. The bigger problem is the length of this entire race. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #6 |
48. Why exactly can't all states have their primary on the same day? |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. thatd aid big $ candidates |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Logistical Nightmare |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
8. I think it makes sense in a close election |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
9. I prefer the proportionate system |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. How does that work? |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:58 PM Response to Original message |
10. A win is a win. Good enough for me. He gets bragging rights today. |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
11. If we had a system like the republicans... |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. We have to overhaul the system for 2012 |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. It forces the candidates to campaign in EVERY state..... with winner-take-all, would you have seen.. |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I'm not sure why that's a good thing. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Here's why it is good... please think about each point.... |
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thunder rising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. And the long primary as WY points out today ... is a good thing. People are excited and involved. |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
15. It's WAY better than winner-take-all |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. huh? |
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housewolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
42. Winner-take-all is just like the Electoral College |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
55. Proprtional is good |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
16. We agree on something |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
17. I agree with you. What we need, in the NEXT election, is to get rid of all delegates and |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Either that or determine the delegates of a state on the overall popular vote for that state, rather |
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musicblind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #25 |
56. Exactly... we can't have our leaders actually THINKING |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. Theres nothing wrong with proportional delegates if there was a bonus for winning |
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THUNDER HANDS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
19. there shouldn't be a set number they have to get to |
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Benhurst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. If no candidate wins the majority of the votes, |
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PM7nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
20. Hillary would be winning. |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Correct - because Hillary has won the most big states. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
24. I'll bet you complain about the electoral college, too. |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Yes, it's so great that we've won 1 presidential election in 32 years. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. You prefer the system that gave us William Jennings Bryan, Adlai Stevenson, & Hubert Humphrey? |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
29. I think winner takes all is far worse |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #29 |
46. They might not be pleased, but that's how general election is. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Truthfully I am not pleased to see HRC get any votes anywhere |
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gristy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
30. I think the system is great! |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
32. It's usually pretty representative, and it's better than winner take all |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
33. It's better than giving all the delegates to a person who gets 51%. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Exactly. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Well, in a general election, winner takes all. |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. I'd like it if we switched to a proportional system in the general... |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
37. I agree. Debbie Dingle stated on CNN yesterday that our election system is broken and |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:22 PM Response to Original message |
39. I totally agree, Unsane on both points. a new board should be started for dem primary reform. |
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Perky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
41. The allocation system is fine. it rewards grassroots organizing |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
43. Why not simply proportion it equal to the popular vote? Very simple. |
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Dinger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
44. Representative Democracy Isn't A Bad Thing |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
45. How many delegates would each one have under |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
54. My idea is scrap the idea of superdelegates |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
57. I think the problem is the way the delegates are apportioned |
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stahbrett (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
58. Why not just based on percentage of popular vote? |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I agree. The delegates should be awarded based on the popular.. |
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sniffa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
60. No, it's a good thing |
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tandem5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-08-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
63. I look at it this way... |
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