Would you support an Obama/Clinton "Dream Ticket"?

[Colobo]

Poll question: Would you support an Obama/Clinton "Dream Ticket"?

I'm almost convinced this is our only solution- Obama deserves to be on top because he's winning the process so far, but Hillary has shown she's extremely strong and we might need to have her on board. I know some Obama supporters fear that Hillary would do something to make Obama lose in November and get to run again in 2012 or that she and Bill would be all over Obama when it comes to decision making and all that stuff, but I don't think she would do any of that- they might even do great things together, because after all, their political views are pretty similar.

So, I say Yes to an Obama/Clinton dream ticket, and in the case that Hillary managed to beat Obama, a Clinton/Obama ticket. Right now, let's focus on the one based on what's actually happening right now: Obama/Clinton.

Would you support an Obama/Clinton ticket? Yes? No? Why?

[AtomicKitten]

1. You didn't have "hell no" as an option, so I just voted "no."

Why? Clinton's IWR, K-L, cluster bombs, torture, and the last two weeks of kitchen sink politics.

[hueyshort]

54. Obama hires Thug Spammers to Slime Hillary Clinton

and the press pretends his smear campaign doesn't exist.
Clinton supporters in the blogs know what's going on, and
what a vacuous ambitious lieing crud he is.

Clinton would try to be running the country, and Obama would
be sneaking around behind her back getting his operatives to undermine
and inteimidate her.

That would be some dream team.

Freddie Kruger would serve Clinton better than the Obama Thug.

[Carolina]

61. get some meds. Obama won't compromise himself

by being paired with her at either the top or bottom of the ticket. One can never get rid of that Clinton stink... ask Al Gore!

[dansolo]

70. Funny, that exactly how I would describe Clinton as VP to Obama

Project much?

[CalGator]

2. I would prefer she not be on it since she brings more baggage,

but how would I not support Obama just for having HRC on the ticket?

[lumberjack_jeff]

3. Is a yes vote a vote for your premise?

I don't agree that Obama has earned the right to the top spot. If that's the way it turned out, I'd vote for 'em. If it turned out the other way with Hillary on top, I'd smile and vote for 'em.

[Colobo]

4. No, a "yes" is not a vote for my premise, which I think is correct by the way.

[musicblind]

18. I'd vote for either one

I really like the idea of the dream ticket. Be Obama on top or not, it's going to be good for the nation.

[olkaz]

6. Define "earned"

You mean, like experience-wise?

Because you're surely not referencing "earned" in terms of popular vote and delegates.

[lligrd]

5. Only If Forced Too

But I would find it a lot more palatable than the other way around.

[Eurobabe]

7. Don't need Clinton baggage on an Obama ticket. Move on.

[DesertFlower]

34. i agree. i would vote for it

if it was obama's choice to have her as VP, but i don't think he will.

[Radical Activist]

8. Please no. She'll drag down the ticket.

[PresidentObama]

9. I prefer Clinton/Obama, but absolutely.

[Petrushka]

21. Oh, yes . . . me, too! That's why I voted "no" in the (uh) dreamer's poll. (eom)

[emilyg]

48. Yes.

[salbi]

91. I think she is only saying Obama would be her VP to get votes.

She will try anything to get people to vote for her. I think when it came down to it, she'll have some excuse why she needs someone else as her VP

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

10. Support? I don't know... I'd vote for it.

"Support" could mean a lot of things.

I would certainly want that ticket to win.

I've noticed today that the new purity test is people who say they would not even vote for Obama/Clinton because Clinton was on the ticket. That's kind of the cutting edge between Obama supporter versus Hillary hater.

[Colobo]

13. I've noticed the dislike for Hillary by some is much greater

than what I had imagined. I think she's a great politician, and it'll be an honor to have her as our Vice-President or, if it happened, as our President.

I support Obama, but I can see greatness in her.

[Diane R]

11. Obama doesn't need Clinton...and he couldn't trust her for one minute.

[Carolina]

62. exactly, watch that kitchen sink drawer and hide the knives

[hisownpetard]

12. If you'd asked a month ago, I would've said yes. I'm glad, though, that the true Hillary (the

Zell Miller evil twin) has shown through. And, NO, I absolutely do not want her to be Pres. or VP or anything any more.
other than the Junior Senator from New York.

[Pirate Smile]

14. Frankly, right now, I wish they would just make the damn deal so we could

move past this crap. It is getting too counter-productive. It isn't my "dream ticket" but, right now, I just want the bullsh#$ to stop.

Give her an important wonky job to focus on and wall her off from the President's daily decisions (because I don't think he could trust her to not sabotage him in some ways).

Send Bill to the Middle East - prod him a bit with the fact that he needs to win a Nobel Peace Prize since Gore already has one - and let him (Bill) focus on this complicated issue. In other words, Obama would need to not worry about saving all the "glory" for himself like I think some politicians do.

But if the bloody, negative campaigning continues against him which provides tons of fodder for the Republicans in the General, then she can kiss the VP spot good-bye.

[JackORoses]

15. Why are you considering this?

You do know that that is the whole purpose of Hillary and Bill's hints.
They are set on convincing the Public that this is the only option.

Well it is not.

Obama has the right to choose his own VP.
He has won this right fair and square.

We do not have to bow to the Clintons just because they have influence.
They have proven themselves unfit to be returned to the White House.

You need to know that if we are tricked into settling for a shared ticket, Obama will not be on top of it.
Hillary would never allow this.
She will weasel her way in using claims of seniority and experience.

She has lost.
She does not have anything left to bargain with.
These are her last attempts to hold back the Future.
Please do not be fooled into aiding her.

[Carolina]

63. AMEN!

He should not taint himself with HRC and that Clinton stench.

[Ravy]

83. I wasn't aware that Obama had got to 2025 delegates. Link please.

Because, that is the only way he can be the nominee. If you want to go by the rules, that is.

[complain jane]

16. Sorry, but

the difference between Obama and Hillary is that Hillary's already corrupt and we'll just get to watch Obama become so.

Get used to it.

Politicians are all the same, under the hood.

[RaleighNCDUer]

29. I really pity you. nt

[complain jane]

82. If you're naive enough to think I'm wrong,

I pity you. New to politics are you?

[RaleighNCDUer]

89. I've been paying attention to politics for 40 years,

and I refuse to give in to cynicism.

Without our ideals, why even bother?

[XemaSab]

17. If that's how the ticket ends up, I'd vote for it

but I can't see the two of them being a happy team AT ALL, especially with Bill as the third wheel.

Especially considering both how she's treated him in the last few weeks, plus some of the historical problems our party has had in 2000 and 2004, I want a really, really effective team for president and vice president.

I don't think Hill can do that for Obama. :(

[Suzie57]

19. Yes if that's the Democratic ticket

It would be the best choice available. But Obama would can do better - Richardson, Biden, Webb to name a few

[Snarkoleptic]

20. After Hillary's antics over the past couple of weeks, no f-n way!

[frogcycle]

22. disregarding who has a handful more delegates or votes or states

or some mix thereof come convention time, this concept of a "dream ticket" really has only one logical construct.

DISCLAIMER: I don't support either one. I backed Biden, then Edwards, then stepped aside to watch.


The whole "experience" thing (which is largely bullshit) goes away if she is in the 1-spot. he gets experience while riding in the copilot seat, ready for the next eight years.

Age. She's 60; he's 46. Enough said. She'd be old for a followon as pres, he'd be younger then than she is now.

Personality. Shes a wonk; he's a visionary. What we need at the outset is someone to sweep up all the broken china and start rebuilding the executive branch. We also need someone as an emissary to the world that America is back and it is different. I can see him doing a TON of globetrotting, meeting every head of state, mesmerizing them with his impressive gift of gab. She will never thrill them with her presence. We need to thrill them now. And to clean up the mess at home. She can do that.

"Reaching across the aisle" - Much like the globetrotting, the VP would be in a better position to meet informally, build relationships.

I am NOT trying to "steal" the prize from Obama. At the end of the day, despite all the cheerleaders who think this is march madness, what counts is to fix this country. It is a tall, tall order. Domestic and international. It is much bigger than any individual or their aspirations. There is plenty of work to go around. IF the two of them are to both be involved, then the logical positioning is pretty obvious.

IF Obama were to be POTUS, then I would not want her as VP. I can't see that ever working. I'd rather have Biden. That would blow the whole "experience" thing out of the water. And Biden and Obama are actually very much alike. In that scenario, of course, Biden is the one globetrotting and he already has relationships with the heads of state - he's already met them all when they were trainees! They already call him for advice! Despite Biden's stupid remark about "clean," he has a very strong record w/respect to race and Obama knows it. That is not an issue.


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[RaleighNCDUer]

30. Agree, Obama/Biden would be a VERY good ticket. nt

[krkaufman]

With apologies, I could barely read all but your last paragraph ...

... with which I almost entirely agree. (I never took Biden's "articulate, clean" statement as intentionally racist.) I have reservations about Joe, but he was our best candidate, overall, on foreign policy issues.

Unfortunately, I don't see how Biden would remotely placate Clinton supporters.

[frogcycle]

33. I'm not trying to placate anybody

I'm saying that it is completely unworkable to have her as his vp - if he heads the ticket, then Biden is head and shoulders above her as appropriate for the country. She can go pound sand.

The earlier part was just saying that if there were to be a so-called "dream team" of the two of them there is a logical role for each if you ignore who "won" and think about what could work for the country.

Personally, I don't see it happening. Like that 69%, I'd support it (i'd support the O/C one too, but not have great hopes for it)

[krkaufman]

38. Agreed. I'll support whatever the hell the darn ticket is.

Largely because of the Supreme Court, and because John McCain is, intermittently, a crazy person.

Re: Clinton on the ticket... I just don't see the point of putting her on the ticket if people are voting for Obama because of Hillary's high negatives in the general population.

I don't know how this is going to work out, but I have little hope that I'll be happy about it. Nothing new, eh.

[frogcycle]

39. i guess the point

is to bargain away the rest of the primary season - stop the battles and move on. If the only way to do that is put her on the ticket, well...

it is pretty bizarre to say she should go on top though, if the purpose is just to shut her up. I mean damn, that's like blackmail.

I say tell her she can be Senate Majority Leader.

[krkaufman]

41. I'd be *perfectly* happy with her being Sen. Maj. Leader

I'd prefer having someone from a solidly blue state in the leadership role, as they're less at risk should bold actions be required.

"that's like blackmail"... very much so. thus the angst forum-wide.

[goclark]

88. I agree, she is an attacker and that beats Reid

Of course she and her husband have already decided that Obama would be allowed to go to the back of the bus and be their VP.

Please America, not 12 more years of Billary, there should be a law against it.

[New Dawn]

23. No, Clinton on the ticket = President McCain.

The GOP base will turn out en masse to vote against a Clinton.

[Quixote1818]

24. I am done with Hillary for good. nt

[Raine]

25. NO way

I don't want Hillary on the ticket, no way, no how!

[Political Heretic]

26. At this point I'd support just about anything that gets us a nominee ASAP.

I think Obama should be that nominee, but seriously I dread the thought of dragging this contest out - I think it hurts us in the general.

[dailykoff]

37. Nobody said it would be easy.

This is a problem he'll have to work through, but I think he will. Putting Hillary on the ticket would just ruin his chances in the GE. You really think she wants him to win?

[Lost-in-FL]

27. Very unlikely but I might have to vote yes

I will support any of the Democratic Candidate comes November.

[NMMatt]

28. It's more like a sabbotage Obama ticket

Obama doesn't need Clinton. In fact, there are a number of people: Governors Strickland or Randell or Senator Webb who would shore up his lunch pail vote better than Clinton. Picking Clinton undermines much of his Western appeal. If Clinton is forced on him by the DNC, I hope he's able to minimize the damage, but a dream ticket it is not.

The only dream about them on the same ticket is that it is Clinton's dream that she can steal the nomination.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. The DNC will not force Clinton on Obama.

She's pure DLC, and has been fighting the DNC ever since McAuliffe was replanced by Dean - you really think the DNC is going to return that favor by putting her up as the #2 spot?

If we're lucky, this election will be the last hurrah of the DLC.

[NMMatt]

36. I mean is if some sort of super delegate (DNC + elected people) mass

decides to support Obama on the condition that he takes Clinton as his number 2. I see it as rather likely in June.

[RaleighNCDUer]

40. Rest easy. It will never happen.

There are others who would add more, and not burden Obama with Hillary's negatives.

[istopforcookies]

42. Hillary has a vagina and skirt

Big negatives.

:roll eyes:

Try again.

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Yes, because anyone who doesn't support hillary MUST BE basing that on her gender.

:eyes:, yourself. Geezus, at least try to put forth an argument, eh?

Here's a clue, friend... Hillary DOES have very big negatives, not just with the population at large, but also with large portions of the Democratic Base. Negatives that have nothing to do with her "XX" chromosomes.

Try "IWR". Those are letters, too.

[Carolina]

64. Exactly!

[RaleighNCDUer]

46. No, negatives like the undying emnity of the entire fucking

republican party.

She will pull NO republicans, and damn few independents. And many of the republicans and independents that could cross over for Obama will stay away from him if she's on his ticket. They won't want to take a chance on something happening to him which would put her in the driver's seat.

And it could scare away the left, as well - how can someone support an anti-war president, and a pro-war VP, who could and would turn all his policies over if, god forbid, something happened to him?

She's a ticket killer.

But never mind - your irrational response indicates you are not here for genuine discussion anyway.

[better tomorrow]

31. yes and no

Yes is Obama is President and she would run as VP. No, if they put her as President and him as VP. Then I would vote for McCain just as a protest.

[dailykoff]

35. Suicidal.

Didn't work for Mondale, didn't work for Gore. It might solve the primary problem but that's just the beginning of the election.

[CatnHat]

43. As a Clinton supporter

I say HELL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[Warren DeMontague]

44. My top choice right now would be Obama/Feingold, but I will support ANY Dem. Ticket.

I will support our nominee, period.

Actually, I agree with the premise, here- I think that this battle has been so close and tight, it makes lots of sense for whoever comes out on top to STRONGLY consider putting the other on the ticket.

Right now, if Hillary ekes out the nomination through connections to party poo-bahs despite Obama winning more pledged delegates, putting Obama on the ticket is fairly well the ONLY sane option she has, although it's not certain he'd take it.

The logic doesn't cut quite as strongly the other way, but nevertheless there can be a real good argument made for an Obama/Clinton ticket. I have no doubt that Obama's strategists understand this and it's being considered.

Something's going to have to be done to bring this party together, that's for sure.

[Swamp Rat]

47. That's a nightmare ticket

A dream ticket would be Gore/Edwards or Edwards/Kucinich.

[dkf]

49. Anyone who has a Clinton as VP is asking for trouble.

I wouldn't put it past her to engineer an impeachment or something.

She is dirty. She will never give up ever ever.

She needs to be flushed out of politics forever.

[CoffeeCat]

50. Obama needs to pick someone with foreign-policy experience...

...and she has none.

[Kahuna]

51. Exactly!!! nt

[Kaylee]

52. Yes, I'd vote for it, but it's a losing combination.

Hillary adds too many negatives to the ticket. Obama needs someone with security creds.

[Splinter Cell]

53. Nope.

I won't be voting for the ticket if Hillary is anywere near it.

[mtnsnake]

77. ...

"Good riddance" ("This topic is locked")

Dont worry about me, dipshit. I'll hang around just to be your worst nightmare.

[Perky]

55. I think it needs to be offered and politely and firmly rejected.

Hillary would probably prefer the Senate and there is no upside for Obama if Hillary ends up on stage in Denver in a kumbaya moment nonetheless.

[debatepro]

56. This hardcore obama supporter says YES... Unite the party!

Our message is of Unity... we have to unite the party...


That ticket can raise 100 million a month.

Puts all obama's swing states and clinton's swing states in play.

With the large african american and hispanic communities in texas we might actually take it....

[debatepro]

57. This hardcore obama supporter says YES... again...

Besides obama says pharmaceutical and insurance companies get a seat at the table ... we can just put hillary in their spot as their representative.

[invictus]

58. Hillary would harm the ticket. She had to run in a safe NY election to win any office. n/t

[Carolina]

66. and that was only successful because she was Mrs. Bill

Clinton and ended up running against Lazio! Sheesh.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

59. This Norwegian would claim its not a 'dream ticket' but a nightmare ticket if Hillary was added n/t

[Adelante]

60. I would not

Obama needs national security weight on the ticket; Clinton needs national security weight on the ticket. Neither of them do it for the other. In addition, Clinton's little PR campaign for a joint ticket is meant to weaken Obama's primary strength by assuaging potential Obama voters. It does Obama no good. Do not fall for it.

[Carolina]

67. Agreed--- it does Obama no good

She is destructive: her campaign, her financial backers, her past votes (IWR), her supporters.

[styersc]

65. SO its all about Obama the deity- not about issues.

[Carolina]

69. wrong, it is about issues

IWR, the war, the lost trillions spent in Iraq that are not available for domestic ISSUES stateside.

[styersc]

75. Obama was not around for the IWR vote, but he was around to

stop spending in his very short and unremarkable time in the Senate, but he has rallied no one, fillibustered nothing and accomplished as much.

[Carolina]

86. and HRC has done what, pray tell

what is her experience save that derived from being Bill's wife?

and what has she done these past 7 years (her only real experience)? Where was her "shame on you" to GWB?!

Spare me your noise, Hillbot

[La Lioness Priyanka]

68. no. not just because i dont like obama but because thats not a winning ticket

and i dont think hrc will accpet

[City Lights]

71. Any ticket with Clinton on it is a nightmare.

IMO, she represents more of the same.

[IndianaGreen]

72. I voted "No" because such ticket is a fantasy that is being cynically peddled by the Clintons

Hillary has already offered the VP spot to Strickland.

[terrya]

73. Of course I would.

[IDemo]

74. We had one poster playing the banjo for this meme incessantly yesterday

It is simply a bad idea from start to second place finish and is totally ignorant of how nominees and their advisers choose running mates. It is not about offering a biscuit to the also-ran just to mollify him or her and their supporters.

Obama/Webb
Obama/Biden
Obama/Richardson

Now we're talkin'.

[Colobo]

76. Kick!

[ecstatic]

78. I was for it before I was against it

:eyes:



Now, the thought makes me :puke:

Cheaters and liars should not be rewarded with the presidency.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. I Would Support It, But I Don't Think Obama Has Won The Top Of The Ticket Yet.

First, let's see how the rest plays out. If she continues getting the big states and closes the popular vote gap to about even, then I think it would be her that earned the top spot, and I have a feeling the SD's would agree as well. But to each their own on that front. Either way, in the end of it all, it will likely be a forced ticket (meaning it ain't up to them) of obama/clinton or clinton/obama, and I would wholeheartedly support each.

[LWolf]

80. No. I will not support a nightmare ticket. n/t

[OzarkDem]

81. We've had enough messes from inexperienced presidents

It would be sheer folly and would send the wrong message about Democrats if we put a less experienced person in the top office during such difficult national times.

[femmedem]

84. I think her McCain comments make it unworkable.

I really don't want to see endless TV ads from McCain saying, "Even Obama's own VP says McCain has the experience necessary to be CiC, while Obama's got nothing but a speech."

And all the swing voters I know who are legitimately sorry they voted for Bush and sincerely prefer Obama to McCain HATE Clinton. I'm not saying their hatred is justified. Just saying it exists, and it should be a factor.

[Milo_Bloom]

85. She doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the white house...

But I would probably hold my nose and vote for this ticket and hope her roll is similar the one she had last time she was in the white house.

[catgirl]

87. How about NO HILLARY at all? (nt)

[CK_John]

90. I don't believe Obama is at liberty to offer the VP to anyone because I think he cut a deal with

Bloomberg to stay out of the race as an IND in return for the VP slot.

[closeupready]

92. Agree with those who say that while I would vote for such a ticket,

I can't say I would "support" it, or that it would be my "dream" ticket. But I would vote for it.