If there's one thing I hate, it's the Gore as savior fantasy narrative

[cali]

It's very, very unlikely, but if by some twisted miracle it happened, it's the one circumstance I can foresee, where I would not vote. It's the one circumstance that would get me on a plane to Denver to protest.

Here's why:

First of all, I can't imagine anything more contemptuous of the millions of voters who chose either Obama or Clinton, and the hundreds of thousands who worked for those candidates. It's completely undemocratic to throw those people aside.

Secondly, Gore is not a savior. There is no such thing. And yet on DU, we literally, for months, had people calling him just that. If ever there was a cult here on DU, the months of Gore adulation was it. Gore was a solidly centrist democrat for all the years he was in office. So it's great that he's moved to the left now that he's no longer in office, but it's hardly that big a deal. And frankly, I don't think he'd be that different from either Obama or Clinton if was in the White House. Politics is the art of the possible and no one knows that better than Al Gore who compromised on issue after issue. I don't see that his instincts are any better than Obama's. I'm not entirely clear on Clinton's instincts, though I believe she's more liberal than the image she's been projecting over the last few years.

Lastly, Gore didn't run. He didn't throw his hat into the ring. He didn't fight for what he believes in. Clinton and Obama both did. And somehow, I find the idea of having a white male rushed in to save us, displacing these two historic individuals, utterly horrifying. I doubt I'm alone.

I'm not asking anyone to stop with the Gore fantasies. That's your business. I'm just telling you how I view it.

[tekisui]

1. It's just the Clinton's latest attempt to distract from

losing.

It's up there with "Dream Ticket", "Fl & MI", and all the rest.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. oh bullshit

this has nothing to do with the Clintons. People here - mostly Clinton haters - have been pushing this idea for months.

How does Clinton benefit from Gore getting the nomination?

[joshcryer]

9. It's really the media's own doing, they want it to be so tight that Gore is in play.

The media is so good at creating a powerful narrative that it's really quite remarkable.

[tekisui]

13. They love to prolong it, and give it amibiguity.

[joshcryer]

14. I think the media could end it today if they wanted to.

But I think that they want to keep it going, and for better or for worse, Hillary goes along with it.

Because she wants to win. (Not because she's some evil bitch.)

We're all being played but few people realize it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

21. You nailed it.

[tekisui]

12. She benefits from that distraction.

It came from the Clinton camp. Anything to keep a lid on the perception of Obama winning.

I don't think that it will likely happen. But if Obama and Clinton split the "winning calculus", he takes PD's and she takes Pop. vote; I think we have to take both or neither. And if it were neither, I'd like to see Gore. I just don't think it is very likely.

[MonkeyFunk]

25. oh good lord

this did NOT "come from" the Clinton camp. Pundits and idiots here have been pumping the idea for months.

Somebody posted an article where one unnamed Clinton adviser talked about the possibility. That's not the Clinton campaign pushing the idea by any means.

[tekisui]

26. Point taken.

Unnamed adviser doesn't mean much. But, it still benefits Hillary to keep any perception of Obama winning under wraps. Not saying its evil or underhanded, just beneficial.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. Anything to distract from Obama's steady climb to the nomination.

[jgraz]

2. How bout that one with me, Al, and a carbon-neutral can of whipped cream?

Can I keep that one?

[cali]

4. indeed you can, but you'd be better off using homemade

whipped cream made from the organic milk of grass fed Jersey or in a pinch holstein cows that you milked yourself. Cans are just more trash. And you damned well better whip the cream by hand.

[jgraz]

6. The funny part is

Aside from milking the cows, you just described EXACTLY my philosophy toward whipped cream. I never allow those cans in my house (same goes for jars of pasta sauce, mayo and ketchup).

[cali]

10. me too. I have never bought a can of that crap in my life

but you beat me on the ketchup. I make my own mayo because it's so easy, and I have put up ketchup but it's generally just too much trouble. And is there anything easier than whipping up a pasta sauce. I feel the same way about frozen pizza and I make my own jams and preserves. Still going though the plum, walnut and brandy preserve I made last summer.

[jgraz]

15. Ketchup is easy as pie

Actually, pie is pretty hard... :shrug:

I make mine one batch at a time. It tastes way better than Heinz and lasts forever in the fridge:

1 6 oz can tomato paste
1/2 cup light corn syrup
1/4 cup white vinegar
1/4 cup cider vinegar
1/4 cup water
1 tablespoon light brown sugar
1 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon onion powder
1/4 tsp garlic powder
1/8 tsp ground cloves

Just stir everything together and bring to a boil over medium heat. Simmer for 30 minutes, stirring often. Let it cool and then funnel it into a mason jar or glass milk jug.

[cali]

18. *smack * myself in the head.

jeez, why didn't I think of that? I'm a damned good cook, but the only times I've made ketchup are when I've had an over abundance of tomatoes. That looks like a very decent recipe. Think I'll give it a try today. It's another blustery snowy one here. And I'll also start my tomato plants. Thanks, graz.

[joshcryer]

16. They're usually steel cans, which are highly recyclable.

I'd understand if it was aluminum, because much aluminum is often discarded and has a certain recycle limit to it. But steel is able to be magnetically seperated and recycled, and is done so more than any other metal.

[jgraz]

19. So missing the point.

If you've never made homemade whipped cream, you really owe it to yourself to give it a shot.

Use 1 cup *cold* heavy cream, 1/2 tsp vanilla extract, 1 tablespoon Grade B maple syrup and a pinch of salt. Put it all in a large bowl and whisk until it forms stiff peaks. :9

It helps if you stick the mixing bowl and the whisk in the freezer for about 10 minutes before starting.

[sam sarrha]

3. quit making up shit .. except for Obama/Hillery everything is YOUR fantacy,

[cali]

5. um, open your eyes, dear

there have been several threads just in the last two days advocating gore as savior at a brokered convention. That ain't my fantasy.

[jgraz]

7. And your spell-check. Sheesh.

[cali]

11. what the hell is your problem with his/her "fantacy"?

[sam sarrha]

22. 2 or 3 dont make a conspiracy, but do give you ammo for your Agenda... he is a hero...

[BootinUp]

17. I agree, I do not know what to make

of the Clinton advisor story except she has a few nuts in there. But they make it interesting. lol.

[Rydz777]

23. Sorry to rain on your Sunday, but my fantasy is that Gore gets

the nomination after a bitterly divided convention - with Obama and Hillery supporters hating each other as they seem to do on this board - brings in the one candidate who can unite the Party.

[cali]

24. it won't unite the party. duh. it'll piss off millions who are invested in

Clinton or Obama. Fortunately for me, and tough shit for YOU, it won't happen. You'll have to make do with your sad little fantasy.