OMG Meet The Press-Rendell v Daschle

[SoFlaJet]

wait till you hear Rendell's contention that Clinton should win because she won 4 big states-and no-pledged delegates nor popular vote DO NOT MATTER, what matters is the states you won not how many, not how many votes and not how many delegates. Then to top it off they are offering him the VP slot, at which point Daschle just has to laugh that in no time in the history of American politics has the #2 offered the VP slot to the leader. WOW wait till you guys see this madness by the Clinton side

[Perky]

1. I am going to give Rendel a little slack because he might be Obama's VP

I poo pooed it at first when tweety mentioned it. But if he can pull in PA and blue collar voters in a landslide I think Obama would get 350 electoral votes.


WHat rails against it though it he also needs to add some foreign policy heft.

[SoFlaJet]

2. perky

I understand exactly who is doing the talking through Ed Rendell-it's the CC...they can see no dynamic where Obama should win the nomination-they still want and expect a coronation

[Perky]

3. Oh no doubt,,,,I am not watching MTP but

This is what surrogated do. It will be forgotten tomorrow.:shrug:

[JVS]

5. rendell as vp?

poo poo!

[Honeycombe8]

6. HAHAHAHAHA. Hey, I've got some swampland in FL I'd like to sell ya. nt

[BumRushDaShow]

18. Rendell's VP hopes

are finished. This is what he said last month in an interview at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (from here: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08041/856368-176.stm):

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," he said. "I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann been the identical candidate that he was -- well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking -- but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so.

He finally conceded that he blew his chance due to his racist comments (from here: http://blog.pennlive.com/pennsyltucky/2008/02/rendell_still_hopeful_for_clin.html)

"I think I proved a couple weeks ago why nobody would want me as vice presidential nominee," said the governor, who acknowledged Saturday that "I have a terrible liability."

[Window]

45. Damned skippy.

Not a chance.

[catgirl]

24. That will never happen

He's a loose canon. Obama wants someone who acts by reason, not
a hot head.

[BeyondGeography]

39. Maybe...if the criteria is get the biggest white swing-state asshole you can find

[noel711]

91. Fast Eddie Rendell as Veep material....?? No way!

Rendell is the consummate city mayor. He's street smart,
strategic, and canny. I've seen Eddie fly (he has a reputation
in the state of having the most traffic tickets for speeding)
from one event to another.. from a church service, to giving a
speech in Scranton, to attending a wedding out west, to dancing
at the 100th birthday of a senior citizen. That's how he does
politics.. all locally. Great for a city, like Philly, good for
a state (but because he's from Philly, there are resentments upstate,
and out west)....

He has no foreign policy, has little power in Washington,
and, altho he's great at rubbing elbows with working folks,
he lacks sophistication. That's why he's in the Clinton camp.

He and Obama would be like chalk and cheese; absolutely no.

Chris Matthews loves bloviating, and to quote Shakespeare,
he's "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

[godai]

4. Unfortunately, the 'madness' seems to be working and will get worse.

Interesting point in the last paragraph, regarding Obama as Clinton's VP. Her hope is for more AAs to vote for her in Mississippi, with the implication being that Obama could be her VP. Everything the Clinton campaign says and does is a total political calculation based little on principles and more on what it will take to win.


From the link below:
"Former senator Bill Bradley, who is a leading supporter of Obama and ran for president in 2000, accused the Clintons of “lying” in pursuit of victory.

“The bigger the lie, the better the chance they think they’ve got. That’s been their whole approach,” he said. “She’s going to lose a whole generation of people who got involved in politics believing it could be something different.”

Bradley believes that Clinton will stop at nothing to tear down Obama even if it boosts John McCain, who was confirmed last week as the Republican nominee: “The Clintons do not do long-term planning. They’re total tacticians and right now their focus is on Obama, not McCain.”

The former first lady is pum-melling Obama hard in the expectation that he will abandon his signature politics of “hope” for a dirty fight. Her team has accused Obama of behaving like Kenneth Starr, the chief inquisitor of the Clintons over the Whitewater affair in the 1990s, for demanding that she make her tax returns public.

The explosive subject of race is not far from the surface. The internet is buzzing with accusations that Clinton’s team made Obama’s face look blacker on a recent television advertisement challenging his foreign policy credentials.

Clinton mucked in by denying rumours that Obama was a Muslim – then adding the rider, “as far as I know”.

In Mississippi, which has a 36% African-American population, Clinton floated the idea that Obama could be her vice-president. “I’ve had people say, ‘Well, I wish I could vote for both of you’. That might be possible some day, but first I need your vote,” she said."




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3511833.ece

[SoFlaJet]

9. they also showed a clip of Bradley on MPR

raising questions about WHO has donated to the Clinton library and what favors are owed now to the United Arab Emirates and the Saudis-how can a Clinton presidency hold the Saudis to lowering oil prices when they have no position to bargain from. Do you want another president walking around holding the hands of Saudi princes? Yea me neither

[williesgirl]

57. HRC made me want to puke over that Ken Starr and then VP shit. Bradley is 100% right.

[Honeycombe8]

7. Well, Heck, we didn't need to have all those primaries, then. We coulda saved all that $$$.

And just had primaries in OH, CA, TX, and NY. (Actually...don't forget that Obama won the caucus vote in TX, while Clinton won the primary vote...so it wasn't a "win" by Clinton as reported.)

[SoFlaJet]

12. they are living in the past

these DLCers they STILL reject the premise of a 50 state strategy and want to continue to play by the design that has cost us the last 2 presidential elections-these people are pariahs

[BumRushDaShow]

8. Fast Eddie Rendell is DLC.

Do not forget this.

He already started race-baiting and has pissed off the largest voting block in the state - Philadelphia. Interesting how he is willing to put the DLC agenda above that of the party, even putting his own career at risk, although he can't run for governor again. I figured he could have run for Specter's seat to finally make that a Dem seat (Specter is up in 2010), but if he keeps at this, he may not see the light of day for that.

Amazing that these DLCers are willing to burn bridges like that. Sad actually. Guess someone did push that panic button and they have now unleashed the full fury of slash and burn.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Has the candidate trailing in the nomination process every offered the VP slot?

It's shockingly arrogant and pathetic. I can't believe that the media is lapping up this dream ticket with Obama on the bottom. He's winning and will probably have more popular votes and more pledged delegates. Its so shockingly arrogant and disgusting.

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. I like Ed Rendell, actually I like a lot of Hillary supporters

I'm sure they'll be relieved when she loses and they can support the guy they truly believe can win instead of supporting the person they feel they're obligated to support.

[Maribelle]

13. Rendell is totally correct. And in the states that matter, Hillary is way ahead.

The downside of Obama is that he went after the area's Hillary knew were a waste of time for the General Election, regardless of his denials of the truth. And of danger to Obama is the fact that most superdelegates know full well things like - Georgia will remain dark red no matter what the score was for Obama.

Superdelegates are politicians. They will not buck the will of the voters," said a superdelegate supporting Obama. "The danger point comes if the superdelegates don't see a vote for Clinton as bucking anyone."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR2008030703318.html?sid=ST2008030800051

[SoFlaJet]

15. no Maribelle he's COMPLETELY wrong

it's this kind of thinking that cost us in 2000 and 2004-all the GOP has to do is game one key state-like they did in Florida and in Ohio-if you make EVERY state in play there will be too many holes for too few fingers in the dyke

[Maribelle]

27. No that's not what cost us in 2000 and in 2004.

It's true Gore should have won his home state, no matter how much it hurts to hear this. And Gore made a lot of other mistakes as well.

And then along comes Kerry and makes even more mistakes. If Kerry had been a better candidate he would have done better in Florida than he did, and many other states as well.

You cannot make a state 'in play' if the demographics are not there no matter how hard you wish. Democrats love their candidates, Republican fall in lock step with their candidates.


Georgia will remain dark red. That's a fact.

[SoFlaJet]

34. this is the best the DLC can do-with their "big state strategy"

http://mwhodges.home.att.net/election2004.htm-Obama puts another 10 states in play

[BumRushDaShow]

23. What is this thing about

"states that matter"?

This is why the Democratic party keeps losing. ALL states "matter". Keep conceding these so-called "states that don't matter" and those who might have joined the party in those states that DLCers think "don't matter", will be less and less inclined to do so in the future.

[Maribelle]

33. There are red states that will remain dark red in 2008.

[BumRushDaShow]

42. And you know this how?

Crystal ball? Mirror mirror on the wall?

The repuke party became a "big tent" themselves. They so wedged themselves and voted as a discordant block all of it couldn't fit in the agenda. So now THEY are infighting. The fundies, anti-abortionists, pro-gun, anti-immigration, English-onlies, fiscal conservatives, states-rights, neocons, pro-business, libertarians, war hawks, etc., have all watched their hopes and dreams go down in flames with this last administration, who chose to go with the neocons. Alot of the special interests (particularly the fundies since Huckabee is out) are going to sit this one out, and moreso because they have realized that they need to refocus on their raison d'etre. The fiscal conservatives may even vote Dem if they hear the mantra of fiscal responsibility mentioned enough times.

The RW pundits - both from the wacky right and the middle, have pretty much conceded this election and have plans to regroup over the next 4 years for 2012.

This is not 2000 or 2004. In fact, this isn't even 1980. The repukes have actually blasted us back to 1929 and there is a different dynamic going on.

[catgirl]

26. And Obama will win those big states in the general

It's a ridiculous argument. Like MA would go for McCain. You need a new spin.

[Maribelle]

32. Florida will go to McCain if Obama is the nominee. Hillary could win it.

Obama and Kerry are not well liked in this state bacause of the "votes won't count" stance they took on primary eve. They turn this into a one issue hate fest, and Floridians are very angry at them.

[SoFlaJet]

36. Look I LIVE down here

this state is done thanks to gaming of the electoral process by the republicans-forget Florida for whoever in the democratic nominee-trust me-this is now a red state-except for 3 counties-2 and 1/2 if you count only half of Dade with the Cubans

[Maribelle]

44. There are almost 2 million registered voters with no party affiliation.

2008 will be up to these voters in Florida.

[BumRushDaShow]

49. But as we have seen in the past

the government infrastructure there is corrupt enough to game the state whichever way they want, regardless of party or independent voters. This is a state where the Dems need time to go through a long, deliberate, rebuilding process - at the STATE level (50-state strategy). It will take some time. Note how Virginia has been worked on and is slowly going blue.

[SoFlaJet]

55. exactly right BRDB

Crist is ON the McCain team already and there has been talk that he might even be in contention for the VP slot-I do NOT trust my state to help the democrats in ANY way for ANYTHING-they have no qualms about stealing elections down here and ZI fully expect them to do the same again like they have done in 2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006-Florida WILL be a red state in November trust me I know-that is why we need to put other states in play that normally wouldn't be-like say a Wyoming which BTW is the state that put JFK over the top in 1960

[ebdarcy]

35. No states are a waste of time.

People need to be re-engaged in the political process. When people feel that their vote doesn't matter, they don't vote. And then we end up with a disaster like Bush. Did you see how happy those Wyoming democrats were when the candidates visited? Why would you deny them that? I didn't think that we, as democrats, were supposed to write off whole parts of the population.

[BumRushDaShow]

46. I agree...

I saw the pictures from Wyoming posted yesterday in a thread and I was really surprised and happy to see that many people who were excited at finally being recognized!

[ficus1]

59. Is this satire?

Usually I can tell.

[immoderate]

78. Obama will take all these states in the general.

You can't say that a Hillary primary win translates to an Obama loss in the general election. Either Democrat will take Democratic states. It appears that Obama can get states that Hillary might lose in the general election.

Keep in mind that Hillary won the Rush Limbaugh vote in Texas. She won the popular vote because Republicans crossed over. Obama has a better shot of getting others in the general election.

--IMM

[Larkspur]

90. So only Democrats that vote for Hillary count, the rest of us are a waste of time

Typical Clintonian arrogance. I'm not an Obama fan, but I'm glad I voted for Obama in CT's Feb. 5 primary. If Hillary ends up being the Dem nominee this year; I'll vote for Nader. (FYI: I voted for Al Gore in 2000)

Hillary thought she'd be coronated as the Dem Prez nominee this year, and that's why we hold primaries and caucuses. Hillary was out organzied by Obama and she refuses to understand that.

[gaiilonfong]

14. Rendell is a CROOKED Poll

so he needs Hillary for a pardon when he gets caught, which he will.

[Cali_Democrat]

20. I didn't know a whole lot about Rendell until now

The man is a prick. Plain and simple

[BumRushDaShow]

25. That's why he's called

"Fast Eddie". He is another manifestation of Carville. These folks are wickedly interesting in that they are teflon. But my question is, at what cost to the party?

[Divernan]

84. Did you know his wife Marge was apponited to the Federal Bench by Bill C.?

and the word in state for over a year is that HRC has promised him a Cabinet level post.

[starroute]

86. I liked Rendell when he was mayor of Philadelphia

He seemed energetic, enthusiastic, and positive then. But as governor, he's done nothing worth mentioning, and his national role as DLC spokesman is even more dispiriting. It's really pretty sad.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

16. just 1 city in a Clinton win is = to 9 Obama combined state wins...population

[SoFlaJet]

19. we're trying to have a civil discussion here

drop the propagandizing bullshit

[catgirl]

29. So all the dems in smaller states should have no say?

Perhaps they shouldn't be included in primary voting? What are
you trying to say?

[marlakay]

89. United Big States of America

thats all that seems to matter...

[NDambi]

17. It's called desperation!!!!! The Queen's head is in the guillotine and the ax is raised.

[rodeodance]

71. shame on you---violent imagery is NOT needed.

[NDambi]

75. Violent Imagery...lmao..pretty pathetic..again

the queen's head is in guillotine and the ax is raised... read 'em and weep...prancer, dancer

[sniffa]

77. Way to advocate violence against women

Wanted to be the first to say it.

[NDambi]

94. Please, King Bills head is in it too, as is the DLC..its not about violeence against women..so pleas

[spanone]

21. hey ed, you knew the rules in florida

[spanone]

22. hey ed, you knew the rules in florida

[burythehatchet]

28. maybe its me, or maybe its daylight savings time, but Rendell looks talks quacks

just like a Republican thug.

[catgirl]

31. You're right (nt)

[BootinUp]

30. Rendell is kicking Daschles ass. nt

[SoFlaJet]

37. with what?

his Hillary should be coronated spiel?

[BootinUp]

38. Beat him up over holding primaries not caucuses

[SoFlaJet]

40. it's a moot point Jimmy

you can't pick and choose now what is democratic and what you think is not...you play within the boundaries that are in place-what will the CC do, take all the caucus results to court by claiming they're unconstitutional or that it disenfranchises voters like the republicans did down here in 2000? Great idea there

[BootinUp]

41. This argument by Rendell was about revotes in FL and MI, not moot Southy. nt

[Window]

43. It just came on here.

10:30 Eastern

[NDambi]

47. Rendell is spewing bullshit..lol..desperation!!!

[C_U_L8R]

48. I just heard that - what a slime

By any degree of logic, Rendell is wrong.

[otohara]

87. Slime Indeed

yick!

[peaches2003]

50. What has the Monster promised Fast Eddie?

Must be a cabinet post. He has sold himself out to the Clinton slime machine and even he looked slightly embarrassed at the crap he was spewing.

[BumRushDaShow]

52. Agree

I am really really surprised at the lengths that he has chosen to go. He has literally made the choice to go all the way. A true gambler I suppose. I would expect that he would want to be Attorney General (he was a DA here in Philly before becoming mayor).

[GalleryGod]

93. Badly Kept Secrets: Corzine to Treasury. Rendell to Commerce.

SOS different Century for "Billary,Terry,& Harold" :puke: :argh:

[berni_mccoy]

51. Crazy, Wild-eyed, Clinton Supporters...

[NDambi]

53. Pumpkinhead nailed Rendell more than once

You think he's good enough to be VP, only one step away from the Presidency, so does that mean, you think he's qualified?

You think he's good enough to be VP, does that mean he passes the threshold to be commander and chief?

Way to go Pumpkinhead..nail his lying, union busting ass!

[workinclasszero]

54. hmm... Rendell is not only racist

He's anti-democratic as well. No surprise, I guess.

I becomes real clear why he backs Hillary.

This puke will never be on a ticket with Obama, you can count on that!

[Freida5]

56. Everyone who disagrees with the great O is a racist??? What a sick campaign

If anyone is a racist it is the Obama camp

[BumRushDaShow]

62. No - you apparently missed his comments that I posted earlier.

With the Democratic party choosing to RISE ABOVE race and gender, the DLC instead chose to highlight it as a way to cause divisiveness. So Rendell makes the following nonsensical remarks (from an interview at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette - http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08041/856368-176.stm):

"You've got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate," he said. "I believe, looking at the returns in my election, that had Lynn Swann been the identical candidate that he was -- well-spoken, charismatic, good-looking -- but white instead of black, instead of winning by 22 points, I would have won by 17 or so.

What was the point of highlighting Obama's race or anyone's race when Obama has already shown that he can win greater than 40, 50, and even 60% of the white vote in states with 1% or less of black voters? This is actually unprecedented and heartening considering that in the past, black candidates have only been able to garner about 30% of the white vote - meaning that this country has FINALLY moved one step forward! So then with this good news, why does race suddenly matter now except to cause divisiveness? This is whis is what he said last month inhy what Rendell said was racist and why it underscores this bigoted man's path of divide and conquer.

People are sick of this crap.

This year is the 40th anniversary of Martin Luther King's and Bobby Kennedy's assassination in 1968 and we have to have this type of bullshit coming from the DLC in 2008 that denigrates the legacy of these men by focusing on the color of one's skin rather than the content of the contender's character. ENOUGH.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

61. whoop there it is!!...Obamanites race card!

[BumRushDaShow]

66. Rendell played the race card and when people called him on it

Whomp there she is! Right on time!

[writes3000]

83. That cartoon is EXACTLY how I feel about Clinton. n/t

[Bread and Circus]

58. The problem is by time the mentially deficient pundits regurgitate it

the ridiculous talking points of the Clintons becomes the conventional wisdom.

I don't know who the monied interests are influencing all of this but it's downright scary.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

60. I remember when DUers hated the Pink Tutu wearing Daschle now Obamanites love him ...too funny

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[rodeodance]

69. strange indeed.

[GrantDem]

63. It's the DLC way.

The way that lost us two presidential elections.

[madfloridian]

64. Rendell. "shoot Howard Dean"

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1872

[IndianaGreen]

65. Did you hear that Iowa? Hillary thinks you all a pile of shit!

How can anyone believe Hillary when she will whisper in your ears whatever she thinks you want to hear to get her way, then turn her back on you afterward. What a sociopath!

[rodeodance]

67. cool--Daschle's new book advocates people be FORCED to buy health insurance!

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject BWAHAHA! Daschle's new book advocates people be FORCED to buy health insurance!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4984388#4984388
4984388, BWAHAHA! Daschle's new book advocates people be FORCED to buy health insurance!
Posted by MyPetRock on Sun Mar-09-08 08:28 AM

He had to admit it on MTP. Oh, the hypocrisy! :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Name removed]

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[rodeodance]

80. I found it amusing. "You sound like a raving lunitic." Name calling is Not called for. shameful

[jazzjunkysue]

68. Someone in there said HRC needs to narrow Obama's lead below 100

or the superdelegates will go for Obama.

I hope that's true. If it is, Hill can go back to NY.

Tim's echoing that Obama only needs 33% of the Superdelegates to win. HRC needs 66.

Harwood says if he's leading at the convention, he's in.

[Tribetime]

72. missed it ..was that pledged I hope???

[jazzjunkysue]

81. I really couldn't say for sure, but I think so.I can't even remember which one said it.

I'd have to comb the transcript. Not worth it.

[MadBadger]

70. Its live for me now...Russert is nailing Rendell to the wall right now.

[NDambi]

76. Wasn't it beautiful..lol..that smirky, slimely slick I can't get away look on Rendell's face..ha ha

[Divernan]

85. He does have a way wth a smirk!

[The Backlash Cometh]

73. DLC-think.

[K Gardner]

74. What a bunch of GWBush Bullshit. Its spreading, too. On MSNBC: "Obama no longer the

frontrunner. Obama MUST win PA to regain his frontrunner status." Who said this? The anchor.

Its been the same on all the talk shows all morning. Rendell, however, takes the proverbial cake.

[GoneOffShore]

82. Ah, Fast Eddie - STFU!

First you push casinos down the throats of Philadelphians, then allow developers to "rape and pillage" on the Delaware waterfront (Through your surrogates John Street and Vince "Don't Indict Me Bro!" Fumo) and now this?

Appalling, just appalling.

:spank:

[progdog]

88. He said that the American people

wouldn't mind paying for Florida and Michigan to have a redo out of fairness.
Not an exact quote but the gist of it.

[AtomicKitten]

92. Hillary has already lost and just won't stay down.

Wooden stake?
Sunlight?