Let Me Get This Straight - Clinton Starts A Civil War,Then Claims Only She Can Bring Us Together?

[THUNDER HANDS]

This Clinton move should be familiar to any democratic leaders who’ve been around awhile. It’s the classic Clinton triangulation — and it’s a preview of what we’ll get if she is our President. Her back is against the wall, so she takes a hard right and starts parroting a republican viewpoint that goes against the democratic platform (i.e., “tough” foreign policy) to try to drum up a little panic, and in the next breath talks about putting Obama on her ticket. She uses republican talking points to smack the “liberal” wing of the democratic party, polarizes the party into fierce factions, and then offers up the “comprimise” — her on top of the ticket. And superdelegates feel like they might not like it, but it’s the best way to prevent the civil war that Clinton herself fomented.

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On these grounds alone, she should be disqualified. I'm not going to stand for being played by Clinton into compromising. She doesn't get to beat me with a metal pipe and then offer me a bandaid and claim the mantle of "healer."

I'm sorry. I'm not that fucking stupid.

[annie1]

1. we're posting people's random "musings" blogs? LOLOLOL.

[MadBadger]

3. That person has as much credibility as Taylor Marsh does...LOLOLOL

[annie1]

8. That's too bad you think there is some civil war going on.

[Oleladylib]

12. think civil war...wait till McCain takes on Obama..

[Frank Lemadeer]

11. There's now an authoritative mainstream media type upper class in the blogging world?

So when did we turn that corner?

[Laelth]

51. Welcome to DU!

:dem:

-Laelth

[Swamp Rat]

2. Way'at Magic Rat!

:hi: Have some cheese!

Let's try this pic instead: :D

[KittyWampus]

7. you've been very kind laying off Clinton, I'll say that!

:thumbsup:

[Swamp Rat]

10. I am a Kucinich supporter, then Edwards, then any Dem nominee,

but I am open to criticism of ANY of the Dem candidates. On the other hand, I do not care to see longtime DUers calling each other names, especially since I consider many of them friends. It pains me to see them attacking each other using such banal verbal assults. :(

My pix are highly influenced by what I read at DU. They are just as much about the views I read here as they are about the candidates and the thousands of opinions about them.

The latest pic, finished only hours ago, was influenced by bvar22's hysterical thread:



Of course, I am an equal opportunity satirist:



Here's my favorite candidate in da 'hole world!:



And a candidate for whom I would drop everything and campaign:



:D

Of course, when it comes to Bushler&Co., and the repuke party in general, my work is driven by other motivations in addition to the above:

[UALRBSofL]

37. Those are really cool

Do you do this for a living??? You could blow them up, frame them and sell them. :)

[Swamp Rat]

42. thanks

:hi: No, I don't do this for a living nor do I see any of my pix. (I have larger, higher resolution versions... maybe for a coffee table book someday)

I do this for personal catharsis and entertainment. :D

[K Gardner]

4. This is what she does. Exactly. She is beneath contemptable.

[Oleladylib]

13. read much?

[DURHAM D]

17. Obama started the party civil war over a year ago.

He threw early and pre boomers under the bus in order to start his generational war. He told those of us who have been involved in civil and human rights advocacy for our entire life to get over ourselves, to turn a page, to stop fighting. It is by far the most cynical, sinister and nasty strategy I have ever seen put forward by a so-called Democrat. Without that generation he would have never been allowed to go to college much less run for President. What he did was not necessary - it reflects his (and his followers) ignorance of this country's history. It is embarrassing.

The problem with the Obama supporters is that they don't realize he started a party split a long time ago. He ramped up the split when he threw gays under the bus and race baited to win a South Carolina. He doesn't give a shit about health care and does not appear to oppose privatizing social security. He has not exhibited any passion for Democratic core values. As best I can determine he is not even a Democrat.

[Catherina]

30. Did you type that with a straight face?

If so, that's very embarrassing and shows a real disconnect with reality.

There's no generational war going on except in the fevered mind of the Nostalgic Sour Grapes Campaign. He's wiping Clinton out in almost every demographic because voters just like him better, get over it.

Why should people to follow an agenda that applied to past generations? The times have changed and the problems are different. The real generational war is the one where my friends are dying in this fake war on terror. Forgive us for choosing a different solution to move forward instead of giving Clinton loyalty for past favors that had nothing to do with her.

By the way, Obama never told you to get over yourself or stop fighting. But I'm sure you knew that already.

Thank you for allowing us darkies to go to college. That was mighty large of you.

[anamandujano]

45. Thank you. Well stated.

[Laelth]

52. I can't tell, and don't know, whether Obama is a liberal or not.

I supported Edwards early on because he was talking the progressive talk. Obama, so far, has not ... not as much as I'd like, anyway.

But consider this. If Obama can pull 60% of the popular vote in the general election by delivering nothing but promises of hope and change, more power to him, because with that kind of vote, we'll have the 60 votes in the Senate that we need to pass through whatever liberal legislation we want. Then, even if Obama is a moderate (and he's probably not), and even if he has been bought off by the insurance industry, Congress can just dare him to veto single-payer health care for all Americans. Do you think he'll veto?

I don't. I think we should capitalize on the enthusiasm his campaign is generating. I think it would be disastrous to diss our most reliable voting block by denying Obama the nomination.

-Laelth

[stop the bleeding]

5. Love your pic

That was a funny movie.

She does seem to be playing two sides.

[jazzjunkysue]

6. Now, you're starting to catch on.

:sarcasm::argh:

[Mooney]

9. It's called "give with one hand and take away with the other"

It's a classic political move. You create a problem and then position yourself as the only one who can solve it.

A good example of this would be voting for a war, and then campaigning as the person who will end it.

[Oleladylib]

14. then again..aren't you?

[Ravy]

Dupe- self delete nt

[Ravy]

15. That is pretty much how I see it. The Obama camp is contributing, too. nt

[IndianaGreen]

16. If there were any doubts left, there is no doubt now of how polarizing Hillary is.

50-percent plus one strategy won't beat McCain in the Fall.

Has anyone noticed how McCain's poll numbers got him within the margin of error with the Democrats since Hillary threw the kitchen sink?

This is cause for concern!

[Unbowed]

18. She's banking on the premise that any country that would elect Chimpy is that stupid.

She fails to take into consideration that we are no longer that stupid. We have seen the light.

Clinton is so 1990s.

[Skip Intro]

19. My God, she did all that?! Does she have superpowers too?

:eyes:

[OzarkDem]

20. Wrong, as usual

kudos for trying, though.

[dcindian]

21. How orwellian the Clinton camp has become

She shares no values with the core of the Democratic voters.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Having the audacity to run against Obama

isn't inciting a civil war.

It's a campaign. No need to get breathlessly hysterical about it.

[anamandujano]

46. They were born hysterical.

[krispos42]

23. Kind of like how Bush...

...invaded and occupied Iraq, which attracted anti-American terrorists to the country. The terrorists taught the Iraqis to fight an insurgency against us, the dreaded occupiers. And now we can't leave because there are terrorists in Iraq and we have to fight them! And of course we have to cut the budget of "fat" to support the military.

Is that the kind of strategy you're referring to?

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. more distortion and lies. Obama used racism to win the election

dividing the country and using tactics worse than Willy Horton, and you claim that Clinton --the woman who dared leave the kitchen, should shut up because she is destroying the country.

What a load of crap.

[PurityOfEssence]

27. He certainly did in South Carolina

It was consistent and right up to the end. When the unintended consequences of sucking up to the black gospel culture showed itself by bringing homophobia to the forefront, he couldn't sack the offending acts (that's ACTS; don't forget "Sister, Sister") without annoying the faithful, so he played a classically Hillaryesque trick by inviting a gay preacher on the show. Of course, to appease the faithful, he made sure the guy was white even though at least two prominent black gay preachers offered their services.

What a deeply ugly series of incidents, but it worked.

Everyone knows only white people are racist, just as everyone knows only males are sexist.

(As proof of the latter contention, you'll note that spell-check on this board recognizes "misogyny", but doesn't even accept that "misandry" exists...)

[anamandujano]

48. And helped by the Repuke media as they parroted his false claims.

[AtomicKitten]

25. The Clintons have truly jumped the shark.

They have completely lost their minds if they think they can steal this nomination away from Barack, especially by relying heavily on Limbaugh-drive dittoheads summoned forth to vote for her and the reams of election fraud piling up ALL in her favor.

Democrats are turning their backs on the Clintons in droves.

[Barack_America]

28. No. They've gone further than Arthur Fonzarelli has ever been.

They're pioneering new frontiers here.

[MonkeyFunk]

32. No, Democrats aren't turning their backs on the Clintons

in droves. That's why she's essentially tied in votes with him. That's why, among Democratic voters, she beats him handily.

[AtomicKitten]

33. They are not tied ... "essentially" doesn't cut it. He is winning and she can't catch up.

The LTTE are being tracked across this country and, hate to break it to you, but Democrats are APPALLED by her campaigning and are not going to forgive or forget. Don't believe me? If the Clintons somehow manage to steal the nomination from Barack, a nomination he is winning and worked hard for, you will see a mass exodus and a third party rise out of the ashes of the Democratic Party destroyed by the Clintons. Mark my word.

[MonkeyFunk]

44. That has nothing to do with the assertion

that Democrats are turning their backs on Clinton. It simply isn't true. Democrats are voting for Clinton in greater numbers than they're voting for Obama.

[purji]

53. then why isn't she winning? n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

26. LOL. Succinctly put, Magic Rat. nt

[PurityOfEssence]

29. To deny the savior his due is worse than just a Civil War, it's heresy

She's been playing the "I'm tougher on foreign policy" card from the beginning, so it's not something Obama has any right to take personally.

This is, among other things, because she sees the need to "out-male" the males to dispel the myth of feminine weakness. In a way, they're both compensation candidates, and it's hard to sort through their posturings to see where they really stand. Is Obama REALLY a disturbing, messianic uber-christian, or is he just strutting this way to court the black vote and to dispel the rumors of his being muslim? Beats me. I wonder if even his closest advisers know.

Just because you and other Obama fans have a welling of joy and fulfillment doesn't mean that any resistance or corresponding love that Clinton supporters may have is a lie of the soul or not as deserving of our acceptance; continuing to play the victim along those lines is an extreme form of arrogance.

It seems that many of the more strident Obama supporters view any criticism or enumerating of flaws as diabolical hatred of all that is good and an example of rampaging kitten-stomping. The extremists among the Clinton supporters approach this level, but there seem to be less of them, and the sanctimonious, self-congratulatory demands of privilege are a few rungs lower on the ladder to superiority, not to mention that their approach has a much more secular and rational odor to it.

How dare anyone defy his claim to the "right" to the nomination!

Rules are rules; if he can't clinch it before the convention, it's an open question.

[AtomicKitten]

34. He is winning -- She can't win and is merely a fly in the ointment.

[PurityOfEssence]

40. Unless he has enough pledged delegates before the convention, he hasn't "won" anything

nor is he entitled to anything. If he can't clinch it by the rules, he has to live by the rules and make his case in an open forum.

Many political systems have run-offs; that's simply what this is.

What matters, both ethically and legally, is what the delegates decide. We're (or at least some of are) members of a private organization with rules in place.

Now if you're talking about her not being able to win a general election when you say "she can't win", that's INCREDIBLY open to dispute. They BOTH have major problems a-brewin' in that instance, and if you're making a pronouncement about that, it's certainly not backed up by statistics in a consistent way. Yes, both Gallup and Rasmussen have shown her unfavorables to be as high as 52% at at least one time, but there are plenty of others that show that she can win.

It seems to me that outrage of someone being a "spoiler" should be proportional to their distance from reality, and she's VERY close to him in all counts at the moment, so it's hardly like the justifiable outrage at a Nader.

Care to explain?

[AtomicKitten]

43. So says Ed Rendell on Meet the Press in the most convoluted way of saying they won't accept her loss

Obama has more delegates, more states won, and has won the popular vote.

Hillary has already lost and just won't accept it. Second place = no cigar.

Good luck on trying to ram someone who came in second down the throats of
Democrats. Obama has won fare and square, and any attempt by ClintonCo to overturn that will result in a irreparable schism and the creation of a third party out of the ashes. Bank on it.

[anonymous171]

31. That's why she "offered" Obama a spot on her stained ticket.

The whole point is she's trying to blame Obama for this conflict, when she is in fact the culprit. Clever girl...

[DesEtoiles]

35. Aigh! Logic!

[UALRBSofL]

36. Can't be any worse then Obama

Dragging us back into the civil right movement what with his Clinton comparisons.

[JVS]

38. That's the Hillbot logic. I've seen it suggested that Dick Morris is behaving ungratefully...

towards the Clintons because Hillary saved his life by stopping a physical assault on him. A physical assault by Bill, that is.

They behave so abusively toward others and wonder why they're not trusted.

[surfermaw]

39. I beg to disagree, Obama and Wife started the Civil WAy

Obama wife something to the effect the black voters will wake up and then Obama himself added a similar statement, then all hell broke loose putting the blame on Bill Clinton.

[VotesForWomen]

41. yawn. it's all that evil monster hillary's fault. WAAAAAA! nt

[Medusa]

47. Can you imagine the laughter if Huckabee would have offered

Mccain a job as his vice-president???? Well Huckabee was actually doing better against Mccain than Hillary has been doing against Obama. And yet, the sheer arrogance and audacity of the yes, "monster" knows no bounds.

[aquarius dawning]

49. she didn't start it, she just got caught in it.

welcome to america.

[Laelth]

50. k&r for the truth.

I love the short, sweet synopsis at the end and the metal pipe/bandaid analogy.

:patriot:

-Laelth