Hillary's ongoing campaigning at this point is as damaging to the party as anything Nader has done.

[JVS]

Of course, Nader isn't a Democrat in the first place, but Hillary is and should be expected to care more about the good of the party than Ralph. The only way Hillary could get the nomination at this point would blow the party apart, and she must know this. Hopefully the superdelegates will give her the hook before she can make more trouble. Democrats should protest her public appearances, because she's working against our chances in November.

[pbca]

1. Agreed: A Vote for Hillary at this point is a vote for McCain in the GE

Hillary can't win the nomination, she is essentially out campaigning for McCain.

The Clinton's loyalties have always been first and foremost to the Clintons - I think she's trying to sabotage Obama so she can run in 2012

[niceypoo]

41. Obamites: "Democracy is sooo unfair!!!"

“Mirage” is the best metaphor for Barack Obama. He shimmers on the horizon, a promise of…something. But as one draws closer, Obama dissipates into nothingness – which is his purpose.

[pbca]

66. We have nothing against Democracy

People voted, Hillary lost (or at least has reached a point where she can't win) - yet she presses on anyway, singing the praises of Republicans.

[sallyseven]

91. Wait a minute. Those of us who voted for Hillary

don't want her to give up. He is not so far ahead that the primaries are over. She can still get enough delegates no matter what the fking press tells you. I am certain that Obama can be beaten ed and Hillary prevail. She has won the big states. MA had a governor and two senators who backed Obama but the people here said a resounding NO. She is not hurting the election of a Democrat no matter what the fking press says. People will vote the way they want to and no one can honestly make a difference.

[VotesForWomen]

81. yep; they can't win unless the competition drops out. nt

[greguganus]

43. She is an embarrassment to the party. She has no conscience whatsoever. n/t

[Missy M]

2. What a bunch of nonsense...

and BS.

[UALRBSofL]

24. This is a bunch of nonsense and rightly so

Especially since Obama has divided our country by campaigning on the way the Clinton's are racists.

[DemVet]

82. Agreed. n/t

[dorktv]

3. So some candidate you do not like not going home after not being destroyed

makes you think the Democratic Party will be ruined?

Can anyone please bring in the sanity Kool-Aid? I have $5 to put towards it!

This is called Democracy. Giving people who have not had their voices heard in a generation or more (after all it took until April of 1992 to settle on the nominee) a chance to vote in a vitally important election is more important than your opinion that Senator Clinton is the most evil thing since Nixon.

[taterguy]

93. Just because someone has a differing opinion from you does not make them mentally ill

Unless you're like, an insane person.

And I don't recall JVS ever expressing an opinion on the morality of Nixon, but I admit that I haven't read every single post he's ever made here.

[dorktv]

102. claiming that the D party will be ruined by the actions of ONE candidate

in the 200+ years the party has been around is rather over the top and kind of well...crazy!

People need to stop, take a walk, smell some pretty flowers and then remember that this will all be over in a few months.

[taterguy]

117. Calling a fellow Democrat crazy isn't helpful to the Party

It would have been simple enough for you to say: "I disagree with you. Here's why . . . "

Instead, you chose to imply that the OP is part of a murderous, suicidal cult.

Your response helps prove the OP's point: The longer Clinton stays in the race, the more she'll damage the Democratic Party.

At this point, we don't know if the damage will be fatal or not.

In the meantime, try to be nice. Because where ever you go. There you are.
(And no, I don't believe in aliens or time travel. I just think that's good advice.)

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. This is typical distortions and lies by the Obama campaign.

Obama has done something no one else ever did--besides the republicans. He shouted that Clinton was a racist. And he did it to win SC. And the press (who are fawning over Obama) helped him as did his surrogates.

He is destroying the democratic party by wanting to win so badly that he would stoop to Willy Horton like tactics.

His negative campaigning is beyond comparison. And when Clinton attempts to call him on it--you guys whirl and freak.

[ellacott]

11. He never shouted that the Clintons were racists

That is a lie. What's worse is that people who are perpetrating this lie seem to feel that black people are too stupid to make their own judgment and form their own conclusions.

This is getting tiring.

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. He absolutely did. He and his surrogates used racism to win SC.

And it worked. It was so ugly, and the press, who have admitted to hating the Clintons, helped him. "Fairy tale." To suggest that there is racism in that statement is a LIE.

And you are right--it is tiring to listen to the constant lies and distortions about Clinton when the worst offender is Obama--worse than Willy Horton ad. And his constant attacks are not only forgiven, they are ignored. And if Clinton dare respond--there is hell to pay.

"Ken Starr" attempted to kill the Clintons with lies and distortions. When the Obama camp started bringing it up again--the media attacked Clinton for suggesting that they are acting like Ken Starr. Obama gets more free passes.

[annie1]

32. and he apologized for it during the debate in, was it nm?

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. After the fact and after the damage

It was a planned attack to occur just before SC. I am still pissed that he is allowed to suggest that he is attempting to try something new..a "postive" campaign. Rightt...

[annie1]

36. agree. dude is slick, he knew exactly what he was doing.

[ellacott]

48. Apologized?

What did he supposedly apologize for?

[annie1]

54. here ya go...

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript/

[ellacott]

46. He did not, no matter how many times you say this it is still a lie

I know you've claimed that Clyburn and Brazille are his surrogates but that is untrue. No one called them racists. I truly wish you all would understand the meaning of that word and stop throwing it up when it is wrong.

The problem I see is that many whites are uncomfortable dealing with racial issues so you cry racism whenever a conflict occurs.

What did Obama bring up, her tax returns? So, she doesn't have to release them although she insisted that Rick Lazio release his?

To compare Obama's to Ken Starr because they asked her to release information is as illogical as claiming that Obama called them racists or used the race card.

[Evergreen Emerald]

50. wait a minute. Why are you refusing to see the reality of what happened

in SC? How does "fairy tale" become a racist statement? How does Clinton suggesting that people worked with MLK to get stuff done become racist?

You are refusing to acknowledge the truth of the Obama campaign. It is ugly and divisive and attempting to win at all costs. Nothing the Clintons said was racist. They have worked for progressive causes their whole careers. And Obama divided this country, attempting to paint them as racist to win the election.


I will never support someone who would stoop so low.

[ellacott]

52. You are making my point

Nothing they said was racist. You(along with many others) who continue to say they were accused of being racists is the lie.

[Evergreen Emerald]

53. ummm....the accusations were there for all to see...

That is how he won SC. Where have you been?

[JVS]

55. That is not how he won SC. SC had been written off very early by the Clinton campaign.

[Evergreen Emerald]

56. The black voting block was up for grabs. Clinton has a positive

history in SC with the large black voting block because of her progressive stance on many issues.

Obama needed to secure that vote...and he did by shouting racism. The ugliest campaign tactic I have ever seen. And the fact that he gets a free pass for it, is bothersome.

[JVS]

58. Oh right. If that's what you need to believe.

[Evergreen Emerald]

62. Look it up. Take your head ouf of the sand and stop mimicking the talking points

You may learn something.

[ellacott]

57. The only people who claimed they were being called racists were the Clintons

and people like you who have bought into this lie. No one who was offended by the series of things that occurred called them racists. The problem is that many white people assume that whenever disagreements arise surrounding race that many of you are quick to cry racism.

David Duke was a racist. The Clintons are not racists and no black person on TV or on the internet accused them of being racists.

Back to my earlier point, why do you feel that blacks are so blind and stupid to believe something just because(as you claim) that the Obama "camp" said it? Do you think that blacks are so stupid that they can't think for themselves and make their own judgements?

[Evergreen Emerald]

59. your forgetfulness may help you to justify dehumanizing Clinton, but it is not reality.

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina — four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-tran...

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. and in answer to your question

I only need to look on DU to see what propaganda does to people. They buy the load of bull pushed by the media and by those who have interests in the outcome, and busy people believe the lies.

That is how Bush got elected. That is how Obama will get elected.

[ellacott]

84. People felt Clinton was injecting race in New Hampshire

This blowup didn't happen until S.C. Black blogs, radio and tv were expressing an offense long before things came to a head in S.C. This was well before the fairy or MLK comment. No prompting from the media or Obama's camp.

[ellacott]

65. You continue to miss the point, I think this is done on purpose

I have not forgotten anything, sadly I am well aware of it. And you won't answer my questions. I think she did inject race but I would never call her a racist. No one else called her a racist either. Now, if there were enough comments to fill four pages that's says a lot.

btw, the las vegas link doesn't work.

[Evergreen Emerald]

69. your point is bullshit.

Obama used race to win SC. That is fact. He shouted racism from the rooftops.

I did answer your question. You refuse to see the reality of what happened. I will not support a candidate who would use race like Obama did to secure an election.

And I cannot believe you don't remember it!

[ellacott]

72. Oh, bullshit to you

What an ass. Pay attention he didn't call her a racist. Shout scream and cuss all you want. It didn't happen. You are just pitiful. Pay attention again, being racially insensitive and being a racist are two different things. The point that you are refusing to acknowledge is that there is a difference between the two. My goodness, you are hard headed.

No you didn't answer my questions. Do you think black people are so stupid that 80-90% would turn away from Hillary just because Obama said so? Do you think we are so stupid that we can't make our own judgements?

[Evergreen Emerald]

76. ummm....I did answer you question. Look at the post titled: "in answer to your question."

Obama sent out a memo to the press outlining all of the "racist" comments the Clintons made. Obama had his surrogates on TV talking about how they are racist.

For you to suggest that to claim that the Clintons are "racially insensitive" versus racist is laughable, as if that distinction would ever make a difference to the masses--and the proof is in the results. It worked for Obama.

[annie1]

60. then why did obama say it happened?

[ellacott]

67. What happened?

[Evergreen Emerald]

70. what happened: Obama admitted that his camp shouted "racism"

to gain votes. He of course apologized after the fact and after the damage was done.

[ellacott]

73. That is such a lie

[Evergreen Emerald]

74. you know you keep saying that, when the proof is there for you to read

Do you have your hands over your ears and shouting lalalalal or do you have your head in the sand?

Either way, it is keeping you from the truth.

[ellacott]

75. Proof from your broken link?

He never said he used race to win the election in S.C.

We can have difference of opinions but stop with the lying.

[Evergreen Emerald]

77. here you go.

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jan/15/debate-transcript/

[ellacott]

88. So where does it say he shouted racism to gain votes?

He said he regretted that his staff circulated the memo of all the times that the Clinton camp made racially insensitive comments.

That still doesn't prove that he called the Clintons racists. It still doesn't negate the fact that people were offended at comments the Clintons made long before this memo came out.

[Beacool]

104. He'll experience a white backlash in the GE.

He's turning some whites off by having played the race card. There are plenty of grumblings about the huge percentage of African Americans who are voting for him. People feel that they are voting on race and not the issues. Remember that in the primaries only the more devoted members of either party bother to vote, the GE election is a totally different kind of animal and Obama getting 80% to 90% of the black vote is upsetting quite a few people.

I see it already in NJ. If Hillary is the nominee, the polls say that she would win the state 50% to 39% over McCain. If Obama is the nominee, it will be a toss up. NJ is a blue state and absolutely necessary for the Democrats to win the WH.

[movonne]

5. Boy I agree...but the clintons do not care more for the party...they

care much more about the DLC...and really am beginning to believe that she would rather have mc cain win as he thinks more on his values for this country(hopeful a little more gentler)..and that is why she is keeping this crap up...I just hope we will be through with the clintons and bushs before I leave this world..

[LisaL]

6. Then maybe Obama should quit-for the good of the party.

[JVS]

8. No. He is the only remaining candidate that can claim legitimacy from the people's support

[LisaL]

9. I guess you don't consider Hillary's supporters as people or

something?
Jeez.

[JVS]

10. It would be like Gore dropping out in favor of Nader in 2000. Hillary can't win the nomination.

Unless it's through a shady deal.

[VotesForWomen]

83. neither can obama. that's why you want hillary to quit. nt

[JVS]

89. He will win more delegates than her in the remaining primaries. She won't get any better off than...

she is now.

She should quit now so her followers have time to adjust to Obama in the time leading up to the GE, rather than be filled with bile and hatred until the last possible moment.

She's not engaging in anything constructive here.

[dorktv]

105. In otherwords: All the Hillary People should just shut up and go home, the Annointed one is coming.

I keep telling myself that "do not blame the candidate for his/her idiotic supporters" but y'all keep pushing it.

Let the people finish voting. Then after June, tell everyone to support whoever.

[VotesForWomen]

86. uh, the 'people' in WY and UT aren't giving dems a single electoral vote in Nov. their opinion shou

should not really be given the same weight as that of voters in states which actually have a chance in hell of going blue in november. it's called reality.

[JVS]

90. Those are the rules of the nomination process. Deal with it.

[Hepburn]

19. Why....

..should the front runner in the popular vote and pledged delegate as well as the candidate with the best chance of beating McInsane this coming November step down in favor of loser Clinton?

That makes less than -0- sense. The leader just gives up and allows the loser to be crowned Queen Hillary?

GMAFB........:puke:

[OHdem10]

7. If Obama cannot take this food fighting from Hilary, what in the

heck does he plan to do in the GE????

Gop will not fold just because the Media yells "Don't mess with
our widdle baby."

Their attitude will be.---You are playing in the big leagues, no,
produce or we win.

[JVS]

18. The GOP doesn't form part of the party, so they aren't able to create the weakening divisions for us

Only Hillary can do that.


In fact, it is because we must face McCain that we cannot tolerate Clinton telling Democrats that McCain is better than Obama.

[UALRBSofL]

44. Considering Obama endorsed Reagan

He has already split the party

[Hepburn]

22. So this is an admission that Hillary is intentionally trying to destroy the front runner...

...for her own benefit?

Sounds like it to me! :puke:

[AtomicKitten]

12. No, what she is doing is worse because she's doing it under the guise of being a Democrat.

If the Clintons prevail in stealing the nomination from Barack which he is winning fare and square, the party will implode and a third party will rise from the ashes. Guaranteed.

[JVS]

13. Yes, there is that additional treachery.

[dorktv]

107. We managed to muddle through the 1924 convention:

"The rule then remained in place for almost the next hundred years, and often led to Democratic National Conventions which dragged on endlessly, most famously at the 1924 convention when "Wets" and "Drys" deadlocked between preferred candidates Alfred E. Smith and William G. McAdoo for 103 ballots before finally agreeing on John W. Davis as a compromise candidate."

Same with the 1972 convention, the 1968...

The party is the oldest Party in the US, I highly doubt two rather milquetoast candidates will destroy it.

But you can believe that if you want to.

[JVS]

109. 1924, 1968, and 1972? Those were great victories.

:eyes:

[dorktv]

110. So basically in your vast experience of all things...the only way that the

Democratic Party will continue is if we have a winning candidate in November?

After 1924 we won in 1932 (by such a landslide that FDR carried all but six states, and at one point the Senate was flipped by 12 seats in 1932, another 9 wins in 1934, and in 1936, the Republican hold was down to 16 seats with FDR winning by 46 states compared to 2 for his opponent.)

After the horrible conventions of 1968 and 1972 we got the White House back in 1976 with a good decent (if not really great with that who style thing) man who has won a Nobel Peace Prize.

Basically, the Democratic Party has gone through a lot of changes and it is not going to implode off of JUST one election or loss in November.

[JVS]

111. I never claimed the party will cease to exist. I said that the party will shoot itself in the...

foot if it overrides the voting public. It will be ineffective for at least one election cycle and possibly more. We only won 1976 because people hated for for pardoning Nixon, and we're set to blow this election despite Bush's awful approval rating.

Because you obviously, don't read what others say, I'm returning the favor by putting you on ignore.

[dorktv]

112. And then the Obama supporters wonder why we non-Obama supporters

think they are crazy/cultish/hysterical.

Too bad really.

[Hieronymus]

15. I agree, equally as dangerous as Nader.

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Only as much as Obama's ongoing campaign is

Damn, you guys are really scared of this playing out, aren't you? You wanna shut it down at all costs.

Reminds me of the GOP mob in Florida in 2000.

[Hepburn]

25. Why should the one who is losing stay in when it is obvious...

...she is doing damage?

That is not only short-sighted, IMO, but egotistical to the max and basically dishonest.

[JVS]

27. How the hell do they see this playing out in any kind of positive way for the party?

It's beyond belief!

[MonkeyFunk]

45. She's winning among Democratic voters

It's funny how scared you guys are.

[Hepburn]

17. Totally agree.

IMO, anyone still supporting loser and McCain endorser Hillary Clinton at this time is intentionally sabotaging the changes of a Dem victory this coming November by not getting off the loser Clinton bandwagon.

[JVS]

20. I can understand that some well-intentioned people might be there because of inertia...

but it's time to wake up and get down!

[annie1]

21. Mario Cuomo dissagrees and says it's good that she stay in...

and that Obama stay in.

BLITZER: How worried are you about that this kind of fight between these two Democrats will hurt the eventual nominee, hurt the party in November?

CUOMO: The best way to get ready for the championship bout is to box before you do. These are boxing matches that get you in shape for the main bout. This notion that, oh, you are going to hurt one another, you are saying bad things about one another, I -- the person who wins this really Herculean match is going to be a big winner.

Do you and other obama fans know some big secret Cuomo doesn't?

[JVS]

23. When? Link?

[annie1]

28. 3 days ago...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/05/sitroom.03.html

March 6th on The Situation Room

BLITZER: How worried are you about that this kind of fight between these two Democrats will hurt the eventual nominee, hurt the party in November?

CUOMO: The best way to get ready for the championship bout is to box before you do. These are boxing matches that get you in shape for the main bout. This notion that, oh, you are going to hurt one another, you are saying bad things about one another, I -- the person who wins this really Herculean match is going to be a big winner.

[Hepburn]

29. Link?

I just googled the quote ... and I came up with NOTHING even close to what you posted.

[annie1]

31. here you go...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0803/05/sitroom.03.html

scroll down about 1/4 of the way.

[Lucinda]

37. Video too:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/03/05/tsr.cuomo.interview.cnn

[annie1]

38. --breaking news, obama fans know better than mario cuomo-- yayyyy! zomg!...

we need more barack music videoz!

[rodeodance]

26. Idiosy---This IS the primaries. Get used to it and stop demeaning Hilliary with your silliness.

[JVS]

30. "Idiosy"?

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

34. aka--dumblyassy

[Starbucks Anarchist]

79. Rodeospeak -- like Bushspeak, only funnier.

[Tom Rinaldo]

33. Tell half the Democratics in the country to give up now and face "the inevitable"

is what is destructive to this party. Calling a Democratic leader who half the Democrats in the nation want elected President "a moster" is what is destructive to our Party.

[JVS]

39. Yes, it is sad that Hillary is not enough of a leader to tell her supporters that it's over.

She knows there is no chance.

[sniffa]

94. And it's selfish of her to prolong her supporters' grief

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4848697

Shame on you Hillary Clinton! Shame on you!

[wileedog]

47. If Hillary's last name was Smith

She would have been pushed out of this weeks ago. Especially when she started fluffing McCain over the Dem candidate who will be, barring a SD disaster, the presumptive nominee. Would anyone be putting up with that crap if it wasn't coming from a Clinton?

Obama is "the inevitable." The math is not there for her. Period. Her going into full negative mode is helping no one, and for no good reason.

Just end it.

[JVS]

51. Amazing that at a website where the consensus was that Schiavo should be allowed to die...

they think nothing of continuing a persistent vegetative candidacy.

[Beacool]

106. And if Obama was a white guy the party elders would have told them

that 2 years in the senate were not sufficient experience to seek the presidency and that he should wait until he built a resume.

:shrug:

[musiclawyer]

40. I've been writing the Obama Campaign saying same thing

He needs to come out and say "her nomination can only be sealed by blowing up he party." One, because it's true and two, because it creates incredible leverage against the hold out supers (especially the beltway types) wanting to wait and see, Waiting and seeing simply gives the GOP opportunity to set the agenda.

[JVS]

42. Yeah, he might as well be blunt about it.

[caledesi]

49. I agree! NT

[dollestuff]

63. Yes - he needs to quit

And take a second seat on the Clinton/Obama ticket - maybe, just maybe we can have 16 years of NO GEORGE BUSH in the Whitehouse.

[Johnny__Motown]

64. Worse

[dollestuff]

68. You are soooooo right - Obama is just destructive

He needs to quit - BO - get out now! ! !

[RetroLounge]

71. But Nader did no damage. Bush Stole it.

Hence. Your post is wrong.

thanks for playing

RL

[metalluk]

78. Negative campaigning

Negative campaigning is not always a bad thing. A candidate has not only a right but a responsibility to draw attention to the weaknesses in an opponent's record, experience level, or views. Negative campaigning is despicable only when it is slanderous or deals with aspects of a person's past or present life that are largely irrelevant to performance in the public arena. There is no reason, for example, that we need to hear about a person's sexual piccadilos or use of drugs forty years ago. There is usually no reason we need to hear about a person's religion, unless there are genuine implications for their performance in public life. There is no reason we need to hear about the person's ethnicity except in so far as it, together with the person's stated views, suggests a kind of bias that would interfere with their objectivity or direct their policies.

Obama, as a candidate, presents some distinct positives: he's very intelligent and articulate, exceptional as a speaker, and has strong interpersonal skills. His principal weakness is a glaring deficiency in experience and preparedness for the presidency of the United States. That weakness needs to be brought forward into the awareness of the voting public as they select nominees.

Clinton is helping the Democratic Party by questioning Obama's experience level, even if she ends up losing the nomination. McCain will certainly attack Obama's experience level for the presidency and Democrats need to know NOW how damaging that attack will be during the campaign next fall. If Clinton succeeds in making it an issue in the minds of voters, you can rest assured that it will be even more so come autumn.

[JVS]

87. How does it help to have Clinton laud McCain?

[metalluk]

92. Credibility

All you have to do is look at a variety of posts on this message board for an answer to your question. Posters who rant and rave, never concede any positive point about the opposing candidate, and never recognize negative attributes of their preferred candidate have no credibility in the eyes of most readers. They are merely advocates for a position, not participants in a discussion. When a person honestly recognizes the history of public service of an opponent, they demonstrate a fairness of mind which then lends credibility to their criticisms of the opponent. Criticisms that are over-the-top fall on deaf ears. Such tactics simply demonstrate the narrow-mindedness of the writer. Hillary complemented McCain's long record of public service simply because it is a matter of fact and it was in the context of congratulating him on wrapping up the Republican nomination She then used the FACT of his long record of experience and her own to highlight her current opponent's blatant lack of adequate experience for the presidency. If the point is objectionable to Obama supporters, it is mainly because it struck home.

[VotesForWomen]

80. i'm sorry, has O got the required delgates to win? yeah, didn't think so. nt

[sniffa]

96. And it's even less so because some of his states don't count

as you posted up thread. :thumbsup:

[wileedog]

97. Well can Hillary get "the required delgates to win?"

No. She can't. Mathematical impossibility.

So the elections comes to the most PDs, if the Party has an ounce of sanity left.

Can Hillary beat Obama in PDs?

No. She can't. It is completely impossible for her to carry 62+% in every state from here on out, considering she has only done it one state prior, and she probably won't even do it in her most favorable state left, PA.

She cannot win.

Without SDs that is. Which is what everyone who has a clue is desperately trying to avoid.

[JVS]

100. Both candidates need SD's for the magic number, but for Hillary to win it would require a massive...

display of support for her by the SD's. She needs to be kicking ass in every state right now in order for them to have a reason to support her. She's not. If she knows she can't do it, we'd all be better off with her quitting

[apocalypsehow]

85. Your post is spot-on; I note all the HRC boosters can do is sputter "thanks for playing" in response

to it. They really have no coherent answers to unmitigated truth.

K & R. :thumbsup:

[Jillian]

95. Newsweek just came out with a poll showing they are tied nationally.

Your OP is insane.

[JVS]

98. Obama was behind in the national polls during the 12 primary asswhooping phase

This leads me to believe that the national polls are either inaccurate (they don't count all the youngsters who use only cellphones), or insignificant.

[GeorgeGist]

99. PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP PLAYING THE NADER CARD ...

because it means that HE CAN MAKE the two parties behave DIFFERENTLY.

[JVS]

114. I certainly hope he can make the parties shape up

But what do you mean by playing the Nader card?

[Beacool]

101. Guess what? It's called a democracy..........

It's not a coronation and there are plenty of Democrats who think that Obama is not prepared nor experienced enough to be president.

:shrug:

[JVS]

103. It's still democracy when you realize that you have no chance of catching up

The goal is to win votes, in case Hillary is confused. She keeps losing and claims that she's on the path to victory. It's like she's a Huckabee impersonator.

[dorktv]

113. Well if she has not managed to win by now, obviously according to JVS here, she

is going to destroy, damage whatever the Democratic Party.

This despite the fact that the Republicans are not even getting attention because of all the excitement on the Democratic side.

[musicblind]

116. shhhh

don't tell him that, it ruins the fictional reality he creates for himself!

[bigtree]

108. I think the most damage she's causing, by continuing

. . . is to the inflated egos in the Obama camp.

[Slagathor]

115. She is an embarrassing restalin-bloated joke

she needs to quit.