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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 01:56 PM
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The DLC, Lieberman and Hillary
First a little DLC history:

How the DLC Does It

Robert Dreyfuss | April 22, 2001

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Today's is not your father's Democratic Party. Though the dwindling chorus of party progressives provides counterpoint, today's Democrats are proud to claim the mantle of budgetary moderation. They oppose President Bush's $2-trillion tax-cut plan not by arguing mainly for more spending on health, education, and welfare, but because it risks the new sacred cause of paying off the national debt. They are the party of increased military spending, the death penalty, the war on drugs, and partnership with religious faith. They are the party of Ending Welfare As We Know It, the party of The Era of Big Government Is Over.

The New Democrats, who helped bring about this shift, have surged in power and influence. The DLC and its think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), have blossomed into a $7-million-a-year operation. The New Democrat Network (NDN), which provides funds to dozens of certified co-thinkers in federal, state, and local races, raised nearly $6 million last year. Twenty U.S. senators and 70 members of the House of Representatives have formally affiliated themselves with New Democrat caucuses, and hundreds of state and local elected officials are signing on. The three men who've dominated the last three presidential tickets, Bill Clinton, Al Gore, and Joseph Lieberman, the DLC's most recent chairman, are all quintessential New Democrats. So are many of the party's rising stars, such as Senator John Edwards of North Carolina; Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana, the DLC's new chairman; and Maryland Lieutenant Governor Kathleen Kennedy Townsend.

Though the DLC offers a nominal $50 membership to anyone interested, its mass base is minuscule. "There's a New Democrat audience of about 5,000 to 10,000 people who get our stuff on a regular basis," says Matthew Frankel, the DLC's spokesman. And with a nonexistent grass-roots presence, the DLC is generally unknown except to practitioners of "inside baseball" politics. Yet the affiliation of scores of members of Congress has enabled the DLC to establish alliances with Fortune 500 corporate supporters, particularly along the so-called K Street corridor of Washington-based lobbyists and in high-tech enclaves such as California's Silicon Valley.

Once, the Reverend Jesse Jackson disparaged the DLC as "Democrats for the Leisure Class." But no one should underestimate the DLC's role in remaking the Democratic Party. Disciplined and single-minded, working tirelessly to forge alliances between individual Democratic elected officials and business groups, zealously promoting the political fortunes of their stars, and publishing a dizzying array of white papers and policy proposals, the DLC has given strategic coherence to what otherwise would have remained an inchoate tendency within the party. It has become a forum within which like-minded pro-business Democrats can share ideas, endorse one another, and commiserate about the persistence of the Old Guard.

"We're a party that's going through a transition from one ideology to another," says NDN's Rosenberg. "It was 40 years between the creation of the National Review and Newt Gingrich's takeover of Congress in 1994. We're only 16 years into this. Are we challenging old ways and leaders who've been around for a while? Are we being contentious? Yes."

Of course, it is easier to be contentious when you are well financed. And the DLC message of pro-market moderation is just what organized business wants to hear. From its modest beginnings--with a start-up budget of just $400,000 in its first year, cobbled together at fundraisers starring Robb, former President Jimmy Carter, and K Street Democratic eminence Bob Strauss--the DLC patiently cultivated wealthy individuals and corporate backers. By 1990 the combined DLC-PPI operation boasted revenues of $2.2 million, a big chunk of which came from a single source, New York hedge fund operator Michael Steinhardt, who pledged $500,000 a year for three years. (Steinhardt, whose actual donations came to half that in the end, was named chairman of the newly formed PPI's board of trustees, before falling out with the DLC in the mid-1990s.)

One by one, Fortune 500 corporate backers saw the DLC as a good investment. By 1990 major firms like AT&T and Philip Morris were important donors. Indeed, according to Reinventing Democrats, Kenneth S. Baer's history of the DLC, Al From used the organization's fundraising prowess as blandishment to attract an ambitious young Arkansas governor to replace Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia as DLC chairman. Drawing heavily on internal memos written by From, Bruce Reed, and other DLCers, Baer says that the DLC offered Clinton not only a national platform for his presidential aspirations but "entree into the Washington and New York fundraising communities." Early in the 1992 primaries, writes Baer, "financially, Clinton's key Wall Street support was almost exclusively DLC-based," especially at firms like New York's Goldman, Sachs.

The DLC's investment in Clinton paid off, of course, after the 1992 election. Not only did the DLC bask in its status as idea factory and influence broker for the White House, but it also reaped immediate financial rewards. One month after the election, Clinton headlined a fundraising dinner for the DLC that drew 2,200 to Washington's Union Station, where tables went for $15,000 apiece. Corporate officials and lobbyists were lined up to meet the new White House occupant, including 139 trade associations, law firms, and companies who kicked in more than $2 million, for a total of $3.3 million raised in a single evening. The DLC-PPI's revenues climbed steadily upward, reaching $5 million in 1996 and, according to its most recent available tax returns, $6.3 million for 1999. "Our revenues for 2000 will probably end up around $7.2 million," says Chuck Alston, the DLC's executive director.

While the DLC will not formally disclose its sources of contributions and dues, the full array of its corporate supporters is contained in the program from its annual fall dinner last October, a gala salute to Lieberman that was held at the National Building Museum in Washington. Five tiers of donors are evident: the Board of Advisers, the Policy Roundtable, the Executive Council, the Board of Trustees, and an ad hoc group called the Event Committee--and companies are placed in each tier depending on the size of their check. For $5,000, 180 companies, lobbying firms, and individuals found themselves on the DLC's board of advisers, including British Petroleum, Boeing, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Coca-Cola, Dell, Eli Lilly, Federal Express, Glaxo Wellcome, Intel, Motorola, U.S. Tobacco, Union Carbide, and Xerox, along with trade associations ranging from the American Association of Health Plans to the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America. For $10,000, another 85 corporations signed on as the DLC's policy roundtable, including AOL, Blue Cross Blue Shield, Citigroup, Dow, GE, IBM, Oracle, UBS PacifiCare, PaineWebber, Pfizer, Pharmacia and Upjohn, and TRW.

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC's executive council, including Aetna, AT&T, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC's executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively--meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

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Sound familiar

Video: Hillary on lobbyists

In 2005, they set out to shift the party back to their way of mixing business, religion and politics.

It is time to summon the strength of America's character once again. Today, the nation faces challenges as great as any we have ever faced: Radical extremists are doing everything they can to destroy our way of life. The war on terror will last a very long time, as the London bombings this summer reminded us. The United States faces competitors in China and India that, if we fail to act, have the potential to eclipse our economic might. Americans can no longer count on the bedrock promise that by working hard and taking responsibility, they can rise as high as their God-given potential. Parents are determined as ever to give their children lives of meaning and purpose, and to teach them right from wrong, but they face more obstacles than ever. And at a time when we should be coming together across party lines to confront these threats, our politics are polarized, our leaders are divisive, and our political system is badly broken.

-- Al From and Bruce Reed


They were encouraged leading up to the 2006 election, eager to turn back the grassroots and a progressive movement within the Democratic Party:

DLC | New Dem Dispatch | June 2, 2006

The Return of Liberal Fundamentalism

Democrats are rightly enthusiastic about the opportunities afforded in this fall's midterm elections to recapture control of Congress and reverse the narrow Republican advantage of the last two electoral cycles. But there's an undertow that could undermine the potential Democratic tide: efforts by some Democratic activists and organizations to introduce ideological litmus tests for elected officials and intimidate or even purge those who do not meet a narrow definition of what makes a "real Democrat." These efforts not only threaten party unity and divert attention and resources from the broader goal of defeating Republicans; they also signal an intolerance toward dissent and diversity that can repel voters and make an enduring Democratic majority more difficult to achieve.

This phenomenon is best illustrated by the nationally driven campaign to deny re-nomination to Sen. Joe Lieberman (D-CT), with MoveOn.org and Democracy for America (an organization founded by DNC chairman Howard Dean and now run by his brother, Jim) playing an especially active role in recruiting money and volunteers for the challenger, Ned Lamont.

We deplore this purge effort because Joe Lieberman is an outstanding and respected U.S. Senator. He is a man of utmost integrity who speaks and governs by his values and principles, even when they lead him against the popular tide -- as he did when he went to Mississippi to fight for civil rights in 1964. He is a man who always puts his country above his party or his personal interests. Those are qualities we should cherish, not disdain, in today's far too polarized politics. We need more, not fewer, people with Joe Lieberman's character in the Democratic Party.

Lieberman served as DLC chairman for six years, handing over the gavel to Sen. Evan Bayh after the 2000 presidential elections. But opposition to this kind of intra-party purge is also a matter of tradition for us: One of the major reasons for the DLC's founding in 1985 was to resist what we called "liberal fundamentalism," a conformist tendency to stifle dissent among Democrats and require adherence to litmus tests devised by interest groups and ideological advocates. The Democratic Party today is far more unified in its basic values and policy positions than it was two decades ago, and also urgently needs to expand its electoral and geographical base. There's less of an excuse than ever to indulge in liberal fundamentalism, litmus tests, intimidation of dissenters, and purges, and much more to lose from shrinking the party's big tent.

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Some Lieberman foes, dubbing him "Holy Joe," are angry at him for championing the expression of religious faith in the public square, and for standing up against corporate-sponsored trash culture on behalf of families struggling to control their kids' values and upbringing. But his main sin appears to be his staunch and very consistent belief that the war in Iraq was and is right, even if that means occasional agreement with a Bush administration that he criticizes on almost every other issue.

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Sen. Hillary Clinton was even more blunt about Lieberman's value to the Democratic Party: "We have the chance to put Democrats in control of the Senate and the House, to curb the excesses of one party Republican rule and hold Republicans accountable for their actions. Keeping Joe Lieberman in the Senate is an important part of that victory plan."

In many respects, the purge-Lieberman movement is more a test for its proponents than for its object. Internet-based liberal activists have a lot to offer the Democratic Party: energy, fundraising prowess, a commitment to open debate, and a healthy skepticism about the orthodox liberal interest groups and consultants who rarely look beyond the Beltway.

But if they want to be a serious and permanent element in progressive politics, they should resist the temptation to indulge themselves in mean-spirited vengeance against Democrats like Joe Lieberman who proudly defend the Clinton legacy and warn against counter-polarization as the sole answer to Karl Rove's polarization strategy. And they should understand the signal that the effort to purge Lieberman sends to voters with serious doubts about the party, especially on the national security and cultural issues he is so identified with.

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Sen. Barack Obama perfectly captured the dangers of liberal fundamentalism last fall, in a diary he posted on the DailyKos blog site, a hotbed of anti-Lieberman sentiment:

(T)o the degree that we brook no dissent within the Democratic Party, and demand fealty to the one, "true" progressive vision for the country, we risk the very thoughtfulness and openness to new ideas that are required to move this country forward. When we lash out at those who share our fundamental values because they have not met the criteria of every single item on our progressive "checklist," then we are essentially preventing them from thinking in new ways about problems. We are tying them up in a straightjacket and forcing them into a conversation only with the converted.

Beyond that, by applying such tests, we are hamstringing our ability to build a majority.

We couldn't agree more. A party with no room for Joe Lieberman -- or for that matter, such occasionally lonely dissenters on the left as Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders -- is a party with no prospects for a majority. It's the worst possible time for Democrats to make that choice.


Obama? Actually, that's the DLC bloodsuckers being disingenuous. The quote is from a diary by Obama defending Senators Russ Feingold and Pat Leahy.

I shared enough of these concerns that I voted against Roberts on the floor this morning. But short of mounting an all-out filibuster -- a quixotic fight I would not have supported; a fight I believe Democrats would have lost both in the Senate and in the court of public opinion; a fight that would have been difficult for Democratic senators defending seats in states like North Dakota and Nebraska that are essential for Democrats to hold if we hope to recapture the majority; and a fight that would have effectively signaled an unwillingness on the part of Democrats to confirm any Bush nominee, an unwillingness which I believe would have set a dangerous precedent for future administrations -- blocking Roberts was not a realistic option.

In such circumstances, attacks on Pat Leahy, Russ Feingold and the other Democrats who, after careful consideration, voted for Roberts make no sense. Russ Feingold, the only Democrat to vote not only against war in Iraq but also against the Patriot Act, doesn't become complicit in the erosion of civil liberties simply because he chooses to abide by a deeply held and legitimate view that a President, having won a popular election, is entitled to some benefit of the doubt when it comes to judicial appointments. Like it or not, that view has pretty strong support in the Constitution's design.

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I am not drawing a facile equivalence here between progressive advocacy groups and right-wing advocacy groups. The consequences of their ideas are vastly different. Fighting on behalf of the poor and the vulnerable is not the same as fighting for homophobia and Halliburton. But to the degree that we brook no dissent within the Democratic Party, and demand fealty to the one, "true" progressive vision for the country, we risk the very thoughtfulness and openness to new ideas that are required to move this country forward. When we lash out at those who share our fundamental values because they have not met the criteria of every single item on our progressive "checklist," then we are essentially preventing them from thinking in new ways about problems. We are tying them up in a straightjacket and forcing them into a conversation only with the converted.

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The bottom line is that our job is harder than the conservatives' job. After all, it's easy to articulate a belligerent foreign policy based solely on unilateral military action, a policy that sounds tough and acts dumb; it's harder to craft a foreign policy that's tough and smart. It's easy to dismantle government safety nets; it's harder to transform those safety nets so that they work for people and can be paid for. It's easy to embrace a theological absolutism; it's harder to find the right balance between the legitimate role of faith in our lives and the demands of our civic religion. But that's our job. And I firmly believe that whenever we exaggerate or demonize, or oversimplify or overstate our case, we lose. Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.

Let me be clear: I am not arguing that the Democrats should trim their sails and be more "centrist." In fact, I think the whole "centrist" versus "liberal" labels that continue to characterize the debate within the Democratic Party misses the mark. Too often, the "centrist" label seems to mean compromise for compromise sake, whereas on issues like health care, energy, education and tackling poverty, I don't think Democrats have been bold enough. But I do think that being bold involves more than just putting more money into existing programs and will instead require us to admit that some existing programs and policies don't work very well. And further, it will require us to innovate and experiment with whatever ideas hold promise (including market- or faith-based ideas that originate from Republicans).

Our goal should be to stick to our guns on those core values that make this country great, show a spirit of flexibility and sustained attention that can achieve those goals, and try to create the sort of serious, adult, consensus around our problems that can admit Democrats, Republicans and Independents of good will. This is more than just a matter of "framing," although clarity of language, thought, and heart are required. It's a matter of actually having faith in the American people's ability to hear a real and authentic debate about the issues that matter.

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Makes perfect sense, and has nothing to do with From and Reed's defense of Joe Lieberman. In fact, it counters their argument.

The DLC is trying to regain its relevancy again:

Team DLC embedded in Clinton campaign

by kos

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 08:27:22 AM PST

Look who's working with the Clinton campaign:

In Austin on Feb. 21, Clinton had a solid debate performance, although her aides groaned as she accused Obama of offering "change you can Xerox." The line, advisers said, was offered during debate preparation by Bruce Reed, a Clinton White House official, but onstage it came across as forced and drew boos.


Clinton is getting her debate prep from Bruce Reed, the president of the DLC.

Clinton has been silent on her leadership role at the DLC, since it's not the sort of thing that people like to trumpet anymore. Reed has been an enthusiastic surrogate for Clinton, but the candidates don't always get to choose their supporters. (Al Wynn, anyone?)

But debate prep? Team Clinton has Team DLC firmly embedded in the campaign.

Update: Remember who top Clintonista James Carville wanted as DNC chair after 2006 in his attempted party coup? DLC executive director Harold Ford, who would clearly be a finalist for the gig in a Clinton administration.


This is ironic because the candidates, including Hillary, declined an invitation to the DLC convention.

DLC feels sorry for itself

By: Steve Benen on Thursday, July 26th, 2007 at 6:01 PM - PDT

The AP’s Ron Fournier suggests in his latest piece that the Democratic presidential field is “snub party moderates.”

Not a single one of the eight presidential candidates plans to attend the Democratic Leadership Council’s summer meeting, a snub that says less about the centrist DLC than it does about a nomination process that rewards candidates who pander to their parties’ hardened cores while ignoring everybody else.

“They have tunnel vision,” DLC founder Al From said of his fellow Democrats.

Unfortuntely, Al From has it backwards.


Well not ironic at all on Hillary's part. She got to have it both ways: Bill was there.

Despite Hillary's DLC leadership role, From will try anything to remain relevant, which includes trying to attach himself to candidates, like Obama, who have shunned his approach.

Barack Obama, D.L.C. Clintonite?



If Barack Obama prevails over Hillary Clinton to become his party’s nominee, it will mark the end of an era for the Clintons. But the agenda of the group that devised their national political identity will be just fine.

At least according to Al From, the founder and CEO of the resolutely centrist—Clintonian, even—Democratic Leadership Council.

“What he has done is he has certainly taken a good part of the strategy we have articulated over the years,” Mr. From said. “Which is to not polarize, but try to unite and build a coalition that understands that a Democratic victory is a coalition.”

Mr. From said Mr. Obama had an intellectual, and not just tactical, connection to the D.L.C.

“I mean his chief economist, Austan Goolsbee, is a fellow at the Progressive Policy Institute, which is our think tank,” he said.

Mr. Obama is not the most obvious candidate to be the group’s standard-bearer. Mrs. Clinton has more history with the Council, which enjoyed its high-point in influence and profile when she and her husband were in the White House. And while Mr. Obama has presented himself as a great unifier, Mr. From has, for all of his third-way ideas about cross-aisle cooperation, proven himself a vicious party in-fighter, fairly reveling in the opprobrium of left-leaning bloggers and progressive think-tanks.

Mr. From said that he would not be so presumptuous as to call Mr. Obama the purest D.L.C. politician out there. But he nevertheless believes Mr. Obama has adopted whole-cloth the approach to winning elections that he and his cohorts had long advocated. He said Mr. Obama belonged to the group that had, despite “all the screaming and yelling and the blogs,” chosen the D.L.C. approach to the more partisan beat-‘em-in-50-states philosophy advocated by Howard Dean.

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From is a disingenuous jerk!

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:00 PM
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1. According to this, Obama's agenda is more DLC than any other candidate we had running:
BTW, Obama's theme of "reaching out to Republicans" is as DLC as it gets.

Ford predicted the DLC will play a major role in the issues debate that unfolds in the 2008 Democratic presidential primary process. The group will not side with any one candidate, he said, even though the organization has close ties to a number of potential nominees, from Vilsack to Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.) and Joe Biden (Del.) to Gov. Bill Richardson (N.M.). Even Sen. Barack Obama (Ill.) has expressed interest in "finding ways he could work with the DLC," according to Ford. (Ford describes Obama as a "personal friend" and says they talk regularly.)

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2007/01/fords_next_move.html


DailyKos straw poll shows shows Kossacks prefer John Edwards 37% to Obama’s 27% with Wesley Clark a distant third at 14% (the Blogometer has checked these numbers at 6K, 13K ,and 16K votes and there has been no change in the %s).

Netroots ambivalence towards Obama’s candidacy seems to stem from two related sources: 1) his perceived centrist/Liebermanesque/DLC rhetoric; 2) and his inability/refusal to lead take the lead on a major progressive issue (especially the war).

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/01/obama_wire_the.html



The DLC doesn’t necessarily pre-select candidates, but they do keep an eye out for possibilities. Obama has been on their watch-list for some time. Now that they see his sex appeal, they may rally behind him. He could be Hillary without the polarizing effect, a real possibility to hold the office.

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2007/01/18/obama-lieberman-and-the-dlc/
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:06 PM
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2. You're quoting Harold Ford?
You're mixed up. You posted nonsensical conjecture.

Hillary is the DLC, and the DLC is working her campaign.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:10 PM
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4. Were you not aware that Ford & Obama are close buddies? n/t
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 02:13 PM by mtnsnake
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:17 PM
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10. You waisted a post on this, incredible
Obama doesn't have to associate with DLC, he's already started his own committee that adheres to scare tactics and blind faith. The fact he accuses Hillary and Bill of being racists, the sooner he is exposed for using these tactics the better off people will be. And, we can start with Jessie Jackson Jr. forcing the AA superdelegates to endorse Obama or else lose there congressional seat, and, that's just the tip of the iceberg.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:02 PM
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19. You wasted your energy on a silly response! n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:35 PM
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21. He hit the nail on the head. For someone who acts like a know-it-all, you don't know squat
Some of the superdelegates themselves have been complaining about the pressure they're getting and even the threats about their job security if they don't switch over to Obama.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:47 PM
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24. WI 3rd District Rep. Ron Kind has spoken against that pressure
and against the existence of "super delegates". Rep. Kind is going to vote for Obama only because that was the choice of Wisconsin's 3rd District, his constituency-yet he is a Democrat against "super delegates".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:45 PM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:42 PM
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30. Asinine! n/t
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:35 PM
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18. That's been obvious all along.
What practical difference does it make if a candidate is not officially associated, as long as his platform fits?

Pretending that Obama offers a difference from the DLC is ludicrous.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 07:30 PM
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28. Yes, I agree. This is not the first time it's been mentioned to Obama supporters..
but as usual, <<<poof>>> it flys right over the top of their heads because they don't have a clue as to what Obama's policy postions are in the first place.. Thus, the ooohs, ahhhs and iccks!
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:08 PM
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3. Great post ProSense!
K & R :thumbsup:
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:10 PM
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5. Obama loves the DLC / Obama loves Lieberman / Obama is reaching
out to Republicans claming that Reagan's presidency was better than Clinton's. But, go ahead and continue your propaganda. It appears that your cohorts like to reinforce their distortions.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM
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7. Correct. His "reaching out to Republicans" is a as DLC as it gets.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:06 AM
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47. 24% of Hillary voters in MS. n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM
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8. "go ahead and continue your propaganda" Where is the propaganda in the OP? n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM
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6. When a stake is driven into the heart of the DLC, the Clintons will turn to ash and blow away.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 02:12 PM by AtomicKitten
On edit, K&R.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:16 PM
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9. The co-founder of the DLC is a member of PNAC: Will Marshall
Information on Will Marshall:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295

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With Al From, in 1985 Marshall cofounded the DLC, an important bastion of center-right Democrats that was once chaired by Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-CT). In 1989, Marshall founded the PPI, a think tank that is affiliated with the DLC. Both organizations are sometimes described as neoconservative for their foreign policy positions. In an analysis of the two groups' stance on the Israeli offensive against Hezbollah in summer 2006, Tom Barry wrote: "In practice, though, DLC/PPI positions differ little from that of the Bush administration. As Israel rained bombs down on Lebanon, the DLC's New Dem Dispatch echoed the neoconservative camp in its plea for the Bush administration to avoid the supposed shame of appeasement in the Middle East. Adopting the same line taken by the Bush administration and the Israeli government, the newsletter recommended that the war be taken to Tehran and Damascus, which 'have become clear threats to regional and world peace, and must be isolated and sanctioned, not appeased.'"

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Marshall was one of 15 analysts who co-wrote the PPI's October 2003 foreign policy blueprint, "Progressive Internationalism: A Democratic National Security Strategy." Using language that closely mirrors that of the neoconservative-led Project for the New American Century (PNAC), the PPI hailed the "tough-minded internationalism" of past Democratic presidents such as Harry Truman. Like PNAC, which in its founding statement warned of grave present dangers confronting America, the PPI strategy declared that, "Today America is threatened once again" and is in need of assertive individuals committed to strong leadership. The authors' observation that, "like the Cold War, the struggle we face today is likely to last not years but decades," echoes both neoconservative and Bush administration national security assessments. As the "Progressive Internationalism" authors explain, the PPI endorsed the invasion of Iraq "because the previous policy of containment was failing, because Saddam posed a grave danger to America as well as to his own brutalized people, and because his blatant defiance of more than a decade's worth of UN Security Council resolutions was undermining both collective security and international law."

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Although Marshall calls himself a "centrist," he has associated himself with neoconservative organizations and their radical foreign policy agendas. At the onset of the Iraq invasion, Marshall signed statements issued by the Project for the New American Century calling for the removal of Saddam Hussein, advocating that NATO help "secure and destroy all of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction," and arguing that the invasion "can contribute decisively to the democratization of the Middle East."

Marshall's credentials as a liberal hawk have been well established by his affinity for other PNAC-associated groups, including the U.S. Committee on NATO and the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq. Marshall served on the board of directors of the U.S. Committee on NATO alongside such leading neoconservative figures as Robert Kagan, Richard Perle, Randy Scheunemann, Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Peter Rodman, Jeffrey Gedmin, Gary Schmitt, and the committee's founder and president Bruce Jackson. At the request of the Bush administration, Jackson also formed the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq, which, with former DLC chairman Joseph Lieberman serving as co-chair with Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), aimed to build bipartisan support for the liberation, occupation, and democratization of Iraq. Marshall, together with former Democratic Sen. Robert Kerrey of Nebraska (who coauthored "Progressive Internationalism"), represented the liberal hawk wing of the Democratic Party on the committee's neocon-dominated advisory board. Other advisers included James Woolsey, Eliot Cohen, Newt Gingrich, William Kristol, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Joshua Muravchik, Chris Williams, and Richard Perle.

On February 25, 2003, Marshall joined an array of neoconservatives marshaled by the Social Democrats/USA (SD/USA)—a wellspring of neoconservative strategy—to sign a letter to Bush calling for the invasion of Iraq. Marshall and others asked the president to "act alone if that proves necessary" and then, as a follow-up to a military-induced regime change in Iraq, to implement a democratization plan. The SD/USA letter urged the president to commit his administration to "maintaining substantial U.S. military forces in Iraq for as long as may be required to ensure a stable, representative regime is in place and functioning." Others signing the SD/USA letter included Jackson, Kagan, Woolsey, Hillel Fradkin, Rachelle Horowitz, Penn Kemble, Nina Shea, Michael Novak, Clifford May, and Ben Wattenberg.

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http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295


Information on the DLC:
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1463
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:58 AM
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40. Thanks for that.
They co-opt terms like "progressive" for their confusing, triangulating approach.

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fightthegoodfightnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:27 PM
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11. THANK YOU
Thank you for showing how irrelevant the DLC or "Democrats for the Leisure Class" really is.

I will vote for ANYONE they oppose.

Never forget, the DLC is not the Democratic Party........... not even close.

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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:39 PM
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12. Terrific post. Very informative.
Unlike some of the rebuttals.



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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:45 PM
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13. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."
(cross-posted active GD thread started @ 4:37 pm 3-7-2008)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

:patriot:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:27 PM
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16. Thanks for the link!
Excellent post!

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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:48 PM
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14. I can not recommend this thread
enough, ProSense. Thank you for yet another excellent thread on yet another important subject matter. :thumbsup:
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 02:54 PM
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15. And THAT's why so many of us do not want to see another Clinton presidency
I'm not saying Obama's hands are completely clean, but his version of flexible moderation is significantly different from the pro-corporate ass-kissing of the DLC and Hillary.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:33 PM
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17. I wouldn't say "so many" because obviously
The popular vote is very close. That said, I love the way Obama supporters love distorting anything that doesn't favor Obama.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:47 PM
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31. Even a close race means "so many"
"So many" people are also perfectly happy with the collaborationist DLC policies and the melodramatic soap opera of the Clintons too, I guess.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:01 AM
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39. Bizarre that Hillary is entangled with this group while she's trying to claim the change mantle n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:34 PM
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20. bttt
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Jillian Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:38 PM
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22. ummm - aren't you breaking DU rules?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html
Copyrights: Do not copy-and-paste entire articles onto this discussion forum. When referencing copyrighted work, post a short excerpt (not exceeding 4 paragraphs) with a link back to the original.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:41 PM
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23. Why don't you "push the button" if you think so (it falls under the fair use citation anyway)--kick.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:56 PM
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25. No. None of them are copyright protected
The article "How the DLC Does It" does not have a copyright symbol, but has instead this request at the bottom of the page:

"Please provide name of the article in the url"

The rest are copyright free since there are no copyright symbols in the documents.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:52 PM
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27. Got a comment about the topic? n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 06:25 PM
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26. .
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 09:59 PM
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32. It is true Al Gore looked over Al From's shoulder as he announced
the formation of the DLC, but Al Gore has put a lot of distance between himself and that organization (publicly) since its inception.

"The New Democrat" and "The Third Way" are terms Bill Clinton used during his administration in an attempt to identify the difference between the way he governed and the way other Dems governed. Neither phrase caught on when Bill tried to coin it. Both phrases have survived at the DLC because Bill Clinton has run that organization since he left the Presidency. And that's exactly why that very organization left Al Gore swinging in the wind in 2000 and really did not assist John Kerry that much during his run. They might have been real Dems (and at times DLC members) but there were not the Clinton preferences.

The Clinton preference was for candidates to fill those slots who would not be running in 2008 against Hillary's slated turn. And that's exactly why pre-2004, the DLC publicly had some of its members ask Al Gore NOT to run. Think Barney Frank. The DLC went so far as to poll its members on the Gore-run issue, and published that more than 50 percent of the membership there did not support a Gore 2004 run. The Clintons did not want Gore to run (and win) in 2004, because they knew in no way in 2008 could Hillary take on an incumbent Al Gore.

It's all about them.
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:12 PM
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33. Samantha,
I have to agree with you, Al Gore has done a lot of distancing himself from the DLC and the Clintons in the last several years. He got burned by them bad. He currently holds the most important card among the superdelegates....interesting.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:39 PM
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36. It is incredibly interesting
I have repeatedly posted here about the tensions between Al Gore and Hillary Clinton since 1992. I have often quoted David Mariness' writings about the secret agreement Bill Clinton made with Al Gore to convince him to run on the same ticket. That deal was a co-presidency, giving Al Gore complete control over 8 spheres of interest in the administration. And that is why Gore did an about-face (after saying he would not run), putting aside his concern over Clinton's "sleaziness" factor, worrying it might backwash on him. Bill Clinton needed Al Gore to run to win because Gore was the one with the impeccable squeaky-clean reputation (i.e., if Al Gore thinks I am okay, American Public, then I must be) and Gore had the foreign relations expertise (something Bill Clinton did not have). But the attractiveness of having total control over these spheres of interest was an offer Gore could not refuse.

Once the Clinton-Gore administration started, the fireworks between Gore and Hillary ignited. She often tried to wrest control over that which was Gore's.

Whenever I hear her essentially claim to have been Bill Clinton's co-president, I want to ask, so what exactly was Al Gore doing during those 8 years? She is taking credit for Al Gore's work.

Additionally, it was often quietly said here in Washington during the Clinton impeachment that Al Gore was running the government because Bill Clinton was too depressed to do so.

Al Gore and Hillary Clinton (along with Bill) are not friends, as sometimes the press implies. There is just too much bitterness over the betrayals of the past. And as they "rewarded" Gore for his efforts, so do they now "reward" other Democratic candidates. It is, as I often say, all about them.

IMHO, the Clintons have done more to disrupt the Democratic party than Barack Obama can hope to heal in 8 short years, should he prevail. The damage is far and deep. But Obama is the only shot we have at making a start to heal ourselves, so I hope he prevails. And it is so ironic that Al Gore, of all people, might have a role in the process.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:33 PM
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34. remember who Obama pals out with............
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:53 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-15-08 03:11 AM
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48. And after Lamont won the primary, who did Obama support?
Lord, could you at least be intellectually honest?

I know you already know this.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:36 PM
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35. The DLC - the "my way or the highway" Clintonians.
Wonder what Hillary will do when she hits the road.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:46 AM
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37. They are self-serving.
It's all about money and power for them and theirs.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 10:41 PM
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42. Hillary is supposedly the last hope for progressive!
In delusional world!
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 01:49 AM
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38. Thanks n/t
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 04:00 PM
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41. This is what Hillary is fighting for!
Bring back the DLC! Ugh!

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:18 PM
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43. How about bringing a little
religion back to DC?

There are some interesting characters there, Hillary can spend the next month denouncing and rejecting them.



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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:29 PM
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45. I love the 3 thread rule. n/t
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:27 PM
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44. Kick
:kick:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-14-08 01:16 PM
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46. Abramoff GOP Lobbying Firm Indicted, Major HRC Donor
Edited on Fri Mar-14-08 01:17 PM by ProSense
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