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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:17 PM
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"Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac"
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 03:59 PM by DeadElephant_ORG
Boy oh boy... the worm really has turned for Hillary. This from CBS NEWs for god's sake:

Hillary Clinton, Fratricidal Maniac


The New Republic: Hillary Clinton's Continued Run Is Damaging The Democrats' Chances


March 7, 2008
By Jonathan Chait
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/07/opinion/main3916817.shtml

(article excerpted to comply with DU copyright policy)

Summary: Clinton's path to the nomination, then, is pretty repulsive: kneecap an eloquent, inspiring, reform-minded young leader who happens to be the first serious African American presidential candidate (while cementing her own reputation for Nixonian ruthlessness) & then win a contested convention by persuading party elites to override the voters.



...Clinton's path to the nomination is pretty repulsive. She isn't going to win at the polls. Barack Obama has a lead of 144 pledged delegates. That may not sound like a lot in a 4,000-delegate race, but it is. Clinton's Ohio win reduced that total by only nine. She would need 15 more Ohios to pull even with Obama. She isn't going to do much to dent, let alone eliminate, his lead.

That means, as we all have grown tired of hearing, that she would need to win with superdelegates. But, with most superdelegates already committed, Clinton would need to capture the remaining ones by a margin of better than two to one. And superdelegates are going to be extremely reluctant to overturn an elected delegate lead the size of Obama's. The only way to lessen that reluctance would be to destroy Obama's general election viability, so that superdelegates had no choice but to hand the nomination to her. Hence her flurry of attacks, her oddly qualified response as to whether Obama is a Muslim ("not as far as I know"), her repeated suggestions that John McCain is more qualified.

Clinton's justification for this strategy is that she needs to toughen up Obama for the general election-if he can't handle her attacks, he'll never stand up to the vast right-wing conspiracy. Without her hazing, warns the Clinton memo, "Democrats may have a nominee who will be a lightening rod of controversy." So Clinton's offensive against the likely nominee is really an act of selflessness. And here I was thinking she was maniacally pursuing her slim thread of a chance, not caring - or possibly even hoping, with an eye toward 2012 - that she would destroy Obama's chances of defeating McCain in the process. I feel ashamed for having suspected her motives.
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Imagine in 2000, or 2004, that George W. Bush faced a primary fight that came down to Florida (his November must-win state). Imagine his opponent decided to spend seven weeks pounding home the theme that Bush had a dangerous plan to privatize Social Security. Would this have improved Bush's chances of defeating the Democrats? Would his party have stood for it?

(See the full article here: www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/07/opinion/main3916817.shtml)
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:19 PM
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1. I love these kind of posts
Because all you have to do is remove Hillary's name and replace it with Obama's then the OP-ED would be truthful and speak volumes.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:31 PM
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6. Wow. How blind are you?

First of all, Obama isn't the one behind and acting out in desperation.

Obama isnt' the one saying the Republican nominee is more qualified than either Democrat.

There's more, but clearly, if you can say that with a straight face at this point in time, you have drunk the koolaid and are beyond rehabilitation.

Clinton cannot win the nomination. She can only snatch it out of Obama's hands by sneakily overturning the will of the people with backdoor deals and promises. Is that change? I think not. Is that what you really want. Really?

REALLY???



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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:08 PM
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12. Obama can't win the nomination either...he doesn't have 2025 delegate votes...
and he could only get them by snatching them through "back~door deals". The candidate of "HOPE" is really predicated on lies.

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mculator Donating Member (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:09 PM
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13. Ouch!! haha why can't you recommend a reply when it's a complete BURN
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:11 PM
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14. My only "issue" with (some) Clinton supporters is their absolute refusal to accept reality.


I simply don't get it.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:21 PM
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2. Hillary's got a whole different kind of "MO" going here... DOWN
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:17 PM
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16. Don't you really mean
that Obama and his surrogates see his glorious coronation by the media slipping away?
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:23 PM
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3. ouch. to quote some dude on msnbc, "hillary attacking barack is like....
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 03:24 PM by annie1
killing santa claus in front of the children". (some obama supporter) lol. man, people really can't stand to see anyone run against the obama. that's sad.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:27 PM
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4. To the greatest! It's the math, stupid.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:31 PM
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5. she's running for 2012 - must frag Obama in order to keep door open
Clinton fears that Obama would be a two term very popular president,
so she has to frag him and let McCain win.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:32 PM
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7. I'm beginning to agree with that. She only cares about her own ambition...

country be damned, supreme court be damned, I want to be the first woman president. WAAAAH WAAAAH WAAAAH!!!

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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:03 PM
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11. And, Obama wants
to be the first Black president,right? Is that racist? Ha,ha,ha,......
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 05:14 PM
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18. First of all, we're talking about Clinton. I can't believe so many people feel

the need to respond to a Clinton criticism with "and Obama... blah blah blah". Sounds just like when peopl have to bring up Bill Clinton in response to criticism of the Republicans.

Secondly, Obama isn't behaving the way Clinton is. She is the one who would rather have a Republican win than a Dem other than herself.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:34 PM
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8. Good one, she IS fragging him.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:12 PM
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15. Yeah, I'm starting to really think that too.
She's not stupid, she can't really think she'll be on the ballot in 08.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:38 PM
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17. the "frag" meme is strong.... hmmmm.....
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 03:55 PM
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9. It's not from CBS News, It's from the New Republic.
It is just reprinted on CBS site as an opinion piece.
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DeadElephant_ORG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 04:01 PM
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10. CBS gave space to this commentary. That does not bode well for Hillary.
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