If this IS Clintons strategy, I will quit this party if the DNC allows it

[DJ13]

From this link-
http://nathansgeorgetown.com/


Received a morning phone call from a very inside democratic insider. He said, "this is the basic Clinton strategy. They realize that statistically they can't win. What they can do is three months of digging up every piece of Obama dirt they can, which they are doing 24/7, and pounding him with it, shredding him, destroying his reputation and career, so that even if he arrives at the convention with the numbers he will be a ruined candidate and they can say to the convention, 'see, he's damaged goods. There's no way he can win. Hillary is the only one who can win.'"

He didn't come up with this in a vacuum. He's got good sources. He said the Clintons will aim this strategy particularly at "the poor and uneducated who vote, play to all their fears, and their ignorance."

Aw, won't it be great to have the Clintons back in the White House.

:mad:

[Mooney]

1. Not surprising. n/t

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[proud2BlibKansan]

2. Well I would expect no less from her

[Cha]

7. In fact there's plenty more

where that came from. But, I think hilary is the one who is the real"damaged goods" and I don't think I'm the only one who's thinkin' along those lines.

[rodeodance]

102. and i

will tell you lots more once i get that phone call from a high level insider democratic. ok

[xmas74]

163. I've got you beat.

I received a phone call from the Big Kahuna last night. Yep, God called.

Wanna know what he said?

[hueyshort]

210. You mean like that Race Baiting job Kos made on Clinton?

claiming she deliberately made Obama's face look blacker?
That "somehow" got into Murdoch's NY Post
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/03/kos-is-klown-or-why-did-obama-girl.html

[xmas74]

238. Actually,

what S/He said was that S/He was tired of all the whining.

S/He did seem to be a bit upset that someone would question the appearance that S/He gave someone here on Earth. S/He also wanted to know why we weren't spending our time during Lent properly and why we were not dedicating more of our time to helping our fellow humans,instead of bickering about shadows on a picture.

I really do love God.

[libbygurl]

135. Well I would expect more from her

...in the way of introducing genuinely universal health care coverage, of starting to bring home the troops in 60 days, building up a green economy to deal with global warming and energy independence, making college affordable, etc. etc., that is.

[hueyshort]

211. You Mean like the Lie yesterday that Clinton stole money

from her employees credit card? That kind of smear shit?

[hueyshort]

212. Like the Smears against her that have been going on for MONTHS

from the Obama camp?
It would be awful if she started doing it too.

[elehhhhna]

243. examples, please?

[libbygurl]

220. Hey, I'm on your side, buddy!

:hi: I was mocking that other poster upthread.

[WolverineDG]

3. When all else fails

run like a Republican.

dg

[libbygurl]

136. Would those be Nike or Adidas you would recommend?

nt

[xmas74]

162. I'm more of a New Balance girl.

Their running shoes are most excellent and some models are still made in the USA.

[libbygurl]

192. Good answer! Better than mine! LOL! nt

[xmas74]

194. Though Nike was the first to come out

with those most excellent arch supports. And I really like that "Swoosh" symbol.

(Yeah, I plan on keeping this up.)

[libbygurl]

221. Hee! Love the 'Swoosh'! nt

[xmas74]

237. So do I.

I remember when I was in jr. high I saved my money just to buy a pair of Nike running shoes.

They were quite nice for a young girl with high arches.

[K Gardner]

4. This is not new news. Its been quite apparent that's what they're doing, but

its good to know at least the "party insiders" see it for what it is. That the democratic elite are allowing this is another matter entirely.

[rodeodance]

73. gee you must have gotten a "phone call from a very inside democratic insider" telling you

the cow jumped over the moon!! yup it happened. yes it did

[Kokonoe]

107. I was going to say F**8 Y**

But I did not say it because I know you will be Obamas best supporter In six Months.

[rodeodance]

111. not me.

[Kokonoe]

120. Well I have been wrong before.

I have trust in your judgment. But there is no way in hell I will not help support Obama.

[ExtraGriz]

127. not me either rodeo, me either...

this is ridiculous...'unnamed source' and everyone is freaking out.

[rodeodance]

133. ITS HERESAY---and the Obama folk are actually BELIEVEING IT!

[OzarkDem]

183. Rumor and heresay

Can't Obama supporters discuss issues for a change?

[txaslftist]

207. That's "hearsay", not "Heresay"

[libbygurl]

223. Which still means, 'rumours'.

Or 'rumors.'

[txaslftist]

228. No. It means a statement offered by other than the declarant for the truth...

... of the matter asserted therein.

[libbygurl]

231. Wow - a real dictionary definition! Thanks for taking the trouble!

:hi: My mind is so clear now!

[txaslftist]

233. I'm a trial lawyer.

"Hearsay" is a term of art.

[elehhhhna]

244. & heresy, a term of religion.

Test on Monday

[txaslftist]

253. LOL. And "heresay" isn't a word.

[mculator]

5. See you later!

Hillary haters belong in the GOP.

[DJ13]

8. Hillary haters belong in the GOP

Hillary belongs in the GOP.

She's the one running a sleazy campaign that Rove would love.

[Kittycat]

11. Agreed. Uplifting a fucking Puke over a solid Dem?

How dare she? Hillary W. McLieberman. Nothing but scum.

[mculator]

18. Scum? I would never vote for an axelrod mcRove

[niceypoo]

86. I find it amazing that they still spout this phoney non-issue

Why do Obama supporters find it necessary to flip out over made up 'issues?'

I guess when you support a campaign based on a five year old speech and a couple undeliverable promises you have to grasp at something...

[rodeodance]

95. bet you did not get that

"phone call from a very inside democratic insider"!! then you can confirm it!

[Hieronymus]

170. Hillary feels entitled .. not very attractive. She will not have the backing ...

of many in the DNC.

[libbygurl]

230. Oh, I do think Hill's attractive.

nt

[elehhhhna]

245. oh, she's attractive enough

lol

[libbygurl]

252. Thank you.

Are you, too?

[John Q. Citizen]

9. Are you helping Rush raise money for Hill?

[mculator]

19. John Q Obamalover should be your handle

from the looks of your flame

[John Q. Citizen]

46. How much has Rush raised so far? Has he given any updates? Will he have Bill back on his show in

the near future?

[niceypoo]

89. Rush has hated the Clintons openly for 16 years....another made up non-issue

Obamites make up issues, then rant about them, thats what you are left doing when your candidate is running on a five year old speech and a couple empty slogans.

[rodeodance]

100. ,,,,,,

not yet cause i have not gotten that call form a high level democratic!

[xmas74]

164. Is Rush helping Hillary?

I told you that everyone has a good side!

I'll have to mail him a batch of my German Chocolate brownies.

[pbca]

34. Congrats You are the 133rd Clinton Republican on my ignore list n/t

[Jamastiene]

129. I lost count of how many Obama thugs are on my ignore.

You are just another number for that.

[xmas74]

165. I'm not a Republican.

I tend to lean towards the Greens.

Please start a new list for your Green ignores soon!

Thanxandbuhbyes.

[kenfrequed]

206. huh?

I am a recovering Green and about as far to the left as a democrat as you can find. I am a bit confused how someone can claim to lean green and yet vote Hilary.

Could you please explain this?

[libbygurl]

208. It's called a spectrum, you know.

Or maybe it's boxes, the way you see it?

[kenfrequed]

215. I'm sorry

But I am still confused. Rather than explaining what I see as an inherant contradiction you are saying what? I still am not clear here.

Note:
I can be wrong. Not just wrong but very, very, monstrously, abtusely, insanely wrong at times.

However, I am not sold on how Hilary can appeal to a green-leanin' democrat. She is in the Leadership of the DLC and that org isn't terribly friendly to left leaning Democrats. Not that Obama is really that much more progressive. This is probably why I do not care as much for the presidential election this year. I intend to go along with the usual four year Democratic calesthenics involving holding my nose and pulling the lever.

[libbygurl]

232. I appreciate your relative sanity here.

The way I look at it, some people may be strong on certain 'green' issues, and not so much on others. Not everyone feels strongly about all the same issues, and so I think you can be more left than others on one thing or another.

The country will never, ever go left as far as you would like it to. You can only nudge them closer to one side or the other, I suppose, but this remains a fairly centrist electorate, methinks.

But I could be very, very wrong on that, too.

:hi:

[kenfrequed]

242. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you

This nation really has a strong left hook to it.

The majority of Americans would differ from being centrists (which by the way is a category without a proper definition)

We are pro minimum wage increase
pro single payer healthcare
pro environment
pro education
pro choice
pro taxing the wealthy and corporations
pro alternative energy

etc...

[xmas74]

239. I choose who I want to support.

That is all.

Besides, every time I've explained something here on DU I've been informed that I'm "poor, white trash" for not going with the majority. So instead we'll discuss how great I look in the color green.

Green is my favorite color. It looks very nice on redheads, of which I am one. And it gives my grey eyes a touch of green, which I love.

I think I will buy a green pantsuit. Hillary looks really good in her pantsuits and I think I would look nice in one too-except mine will be green. (Oooh-maybe a really deep emerald! That would be fantastic!)

[JackORoses]

38. McCainulator! McCain lovers belong on Hillary's staff.

[Hepburn]

63. You add less than -0- to any discussion.

Bu-bye...<click>

[rodeodance]

87. they are having a tizzy cause they did not

get the "phone call from a very inside democratic insider."!!

[blm]

156. Bush protectors belong in the GOP - no Dem has protected BushInc more than Clintons.

.

[Blarch]

6. she left the party.

thank god we found out about her BEFORE she was allowed near the WH.

[dkf]

10. We need to make sure anyone named Clinton has zero power.

They are simply awful awful people who are undeserving of any regard.

[libbygurl]

112. LOL. Go thru the phone book to make sure you don't miss a single one, okay?

nt

[rodeodance]

122. She fills me with AWE---

[xmas74]

195. My vet's last name is Clinton.

Should we take away his license?

[libbygurl]

227. Yes, according to dkf's plan! Better warn him now, quick! nt

[xmas74]

240. I will.

I'll tell him all about the plan to take everything away from any and all Clintons in the United States. He's always been such a good vet in the past but now, because of dkf, we must strip him of everything that he's ever earned just because of his name.

[elehhhhna]

246. NO, but when he retires, will his wife be qualified to operate on your pets?

yes or no?

[xmas74]

249. No but his husband already does.

He's the assistant.

[elehhhhna]

251. lol

[elizm]

12. Same here. The party will be dead anyway. If Dems don't pick a winner this time..

.. the Democratic party is DONE.

[BumRushDaShow]

13. The DLC strategy

is to win at all costs... even the destruction of the Democratic Party.

[mod mom]

21. They are Corporatists first-Democrats second.

[Medusa]

60. Check Hillary's corporate donor list

it tells the tale.

[libbygurl]

116. Check BO's corporate/lobbyist donor list.

It also tells the tale.

[BumRushDaShow]

124. How about scrolling through this list and get the truth?

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?cycle=2008

Interesting stuff!

[libbygurl]

137. Ya! Interesting, as you say!

nt

[ForeignSpectator]

177. So they are Democrats at all? Wouldn't say that...

[libbygurl]

180. What would you say, then?

nt

[BumRushDaShow]

201. They are lost. n/t

[libbygurl]

209. Thanks for your input, but I asked ForeignSpectator the question.

It's easy to get 'lost' in these threads and sub-threads, I know.

[Not the Only One]

14. Disgusting

We'll see in a few months if the good guy wins in the end, or if the "monster" eats the hero and destroys the city.

We all have to redouble our efforts to keep these people away from the WH.

[rodeodance]

80. I got the insider phone call also---I was shocked, just shocked!

phone call from a very inside democratic insider.

[elehhhhna]

247. me to. very super-nsidey-guy. can't repeat what he said tho.

[Zorro]

15. And I double top-secret info

that your very inside democratic insider is full of it.

[tabasco]

16. It is clearly their stragey.

Slime Obama and then cry foul when he makes valid counterattacks.

The Clintons have become corrupt with power and wealth.

[housewolf]

17. Can't tell you how sick this makes me...

It just makes me
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[rodeodance]

78. oh my gawd--did you get that insider phone call also? so did I.

[Maineman]

20. I was once a strong Bill Clinton supporter

He was attacked unfairly by some Republican attack dogs. But, the Clintons have become ... well, I am not sure I should say what I am thinking. Their obsession with getting Hillary into the White House is ugly and sickening. I cannot vote for her even if she finds a way to get the nomination.

[alteredstate]

68. I was a big supporter, too.

But the Clinton's willingness to win at any cost has cost them my support.

[libbygurl]

114. Me, three! But I was a small supporter.

But the Clintons, on the other hand, still have my support, even if I'm small.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. Well I Had An Insider Tell Me That Obama Is Nader With A Mask On, And At The Convention Will Yell

"SUCKERS!!!!!!!".

My source is as good as your source. How DARE Nader trick us like that! :mad:

[onetinsoldier]

47. obama and nader

come to think of it i have never seen them together !!!

[Catherina]

23. !! Get ready to fight. This is what her ADVISOR Roger Altman is doing NOW

Sat Mar-08-08: Clinton Supporter's Rag, the National Enquirer, Calls Obama a Terrorist

Sun Mar-09-08: GLOBE MAGAZINE: Accuses Sen Obama of Drug Use and affair

For you Edwards people, he was also behind the story about John Edwards having a mistress


KOS has been following this too Major HRC Backer Behind "Gay" Obama Smear UPDATE

[DJ13]

30. Thats even more disgusting than what I posted

How did the Clintons become so twisted they are the SAME kind of vile people they used to complain the GOP were?

[MojoMojoMojo]

57. New politics is hateful?

Obama supporters are like the vile Republicans .Your hatred is just as venomous.

[libbygurl]

144. Dunno. How did the BO supporters become so twisted

...they are the SAME kind of vile people we all complained that the GOP were, too?

[cbayer]

48. You do realize that you are quoting stories from

The National Enquirer and The Globe, don't you.

That's embarassing.

[Catherina]

50. Embarrassing is that CLINTON's ADVISOR runs those tabloids

So hell yes I realize. DO YOU?

Are you not ashamed to see someone on her campaign doing this?

The old game of "attack the source" won't work on this one. What's embarrassing is your lack of reading comprehension.

[stillcool]

154. maybe you like these better?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Catherina]

172. Thanks for compiling those n/t

[libbygurl]

224. I am DEEPLY SORRY that I wasted time browsing the post for these smears.

nt

[stillcool]

250. newspaper articles...

citing Apologies from the Clinton Campaign. I agree it is a sorry way to run for the office of the President of the United States.

[Samantha]

62. I heard the story of "Edwards has a mistress" here in Washington

many, many months before I saw posts here alluding to a politician running for president with an impending scandal about to break. (Now I guess those rumors could have been about Obama but I assumed because I had heard the Edwards rumor this was the one to which people alluded). I have never revealed this until now. I spoke to no one about it at all for approximately one year. Why?

I did not believe the story. It came from a well-known Washington source. I thought the story was designed to break Edwards' presidential ambitions, and if it impaired his relationship with his beautiful wife, Elizabeth, oh well .... It was with great relief that months later the story broke, and Edwards stepped out and denied it. And so it ended.

This is the way politics works in Washington, D.C. It is disgusting. But when one sees people in their own party participating, that's when one has to start asking oneself the hard questions. Will I vote for people who propagate these tactics? My answer is no.

[Catherina]

97. I didn't pay any attention to it at the time because it was tabloid filth

I wish I had. I can't vote for people who stoop to this either.

[alteredstate]

67. i can't imagine how any Edwards supporters could back Clinton now

after the stuff Altman's rag printed about John Edwards.

[Catherina]

98. I hope the news gets to them n/t

[stillcool]

153. Nothing unusual there....

it's what they do. While the Obama Campaign reaches out to people, racking up the votes and the delegates, the Clinton Campaign plays cheap tricks with the media.

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[bigtree]

24. I love the responses to this rumor-mongering

a phone call from a 'Democratic insider' . . . :rofl:

[rodeodance]

90. the obamafolk will believe anything!!

[ZombieHorde]

25. Disturbing news. nt

[Ewellian]

32. news?

I read it on the internets...it must be true!

[ZombieHorde]

42. You are right. Point well taken.

I guess that we will see. Thanks.

-Zombie

[rodeodance]

91. i am waiting for

a "phone call from a very inside democratic insider". to confirm this rumor.

[zabet]

158. Ssssh, don't say anything Rodeo...

I am on the phone with...
teh Rove!!!!!!!


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[xmas74]

198. I'm on the phone with

Jesus, Mary and Joseph. (It's a conference call.)

I win!

[bobthedrummer]

26. "Inconvenient truths about the New Democrats, the Third Way, Democratic Leadership Council, etc."

(an active, relevant GD thread well worth reviewing-started 3-7-2008)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2973191

[mjg540]

27. MAYBE YOU CAN BRING HER TO THE WELL....

and give her a cup of Obama-aid so she can feel the hope and change and will walk in lock step with his supporters.

[JVS]

28. If this is true, Hillary is dogshit!

[libbygurl]

157. If it's not true...?

Is she just cat poop? Need kitty litter, please!

[cbayer]

29. Garbage.

Very inside democratic insider?

This is the basic Clinton strategy?

He's got good sources?

He said Clinton will aim this strategy particularly at the poor and uneducated?

What a load.

[bobthedrummer]

31. The Clinton campaign did precisely that in Wisconsin.

Btw, I voted for Dennis Kucinich.

[cbayer]

40. Did what?

This: "digging up every piece of Obama dirt they can, which they are doing 24/7, and pounding him with it, shredding him, destroying his reputation and career"

or the part about targeting poor uneducated people?

How is this inflammatory, completely unsubstantiated OP any different than what it accuses the Clinton campaign of doing?

BTW, I am a strong supporter of both of our current democratic candidates and would have supported Kucinich at this point.

[bobthedrummer]

61. Every mailing (I still have 4 of them), every phone call (I stopped counting after there were 11 on

my 20 call answering machine) every tv and radio attack ad (some which were pulled after complaints) that were going into Wisconsin's third poorest county (Vernon) reflected and supported the statements in the OP (on edit:regardless of exercising reasonable caution concerning new members during campaign times)-that was my experience (as well as all other citizens) leading up to the February 19th WI. primary--they were misleading attacks, and usually began with "Did you know Senator Obama blah, blah,blah..." and it has been reported that those ads that were pulled were being considered for other States.

That's no surprise since Senator Clinton and many of the former members of President Clinton's administration are DLC.

cbayer, surely you know that the DLC is comprised of neoconservative policy supporting Democratic Party members that have abandoned the traditional Democratic base and policies-they emulate the tactics and employ many of the same organizations of the RW, yet they call themselves centrist/right Democrats.

That's just as true as what the Clinton campaign did here in Wisconsin, cbayer.

[cbayer]

69. I must defer to your experience.

I technically live in a state in which there was not a big campaign (California), don't watch much commercial TV and don't get any mail, so I am out of the loop on this.

And much as I have differences with the DLC, I would not call them neocons.

But I respect your opinion on this, bobthedrummer.

What I was really objecting to was the tone of this OP and the lack of critical thinking in embracing it.

Peace.

[bobthedrummer]

70. Peace to you also cbayer. And take a few moments to review the profile of DLC co-founder Will

Marshall, because I wouldn't suggest that DLC members are Democrats that support neoconservative policy if there wasn't solid support and open source information to back that up.

Will Marshall profile from Right Web
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295.html

[rodeodance]

75. don't you know that all these obamakiddo's got a "phone call from a very inside democratic insider.

they believe all

[Name removed]

152. Deleted message

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[Spider Jerusalem]

94. Targeting the poor and uneducated?

See smears of Obama in current tabloids like the National Enquirer and Globe, owned by a Clinton associate. Target market for those rags: the poor and uneducated, of course. Who else? There are enough things out there already to lend this credence.

[rodeodance]

81. those cheezeheads got insider calls??? oh my

[jpak]

33. To quote K. Rove: " We'll fuck him....do you hear me....

"We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!"

[cbayer]

35. And what is most disgusting is the way people around here

just jump on shit like this and eat it up like rabid animals.

What has happened to your critical thinking skills? Are you really the kind of people that will believe anything anyone tells you as long as it fits into your agenda?

And before you start flaming me, I am not who you think I am.

I am sick to death of the feeding frenzy from both sides.

[rodeodance]

84. they got "phone call from a very inside democratic insider.".......

and they believe,

[Cherchez la Femme]

256. It's sad

apparently people who join cults of personality lose all critical thinking skills.

They're no different than the Bushies, even sadder to say. That's just what we need after 8 long years of the naked emperor. :eyes:
If ANYTHING occurs within just the sphere of the Clinton/Obama race to cause them to vote non-Democrat or to quit the Democratic Party as a whole, then we're better off without them.

They have been blinded to the fact that the philosophy and meaning of the Democratic Party is bigger than any one candidate.
Even their saint.

After the travesty of the past 8 years, anyone who doesn't act towards ridding us of yet more insanity, death and destruction (as in voting for John W. McBush or diverting a Democratic vote to any other party) because of one person, no matter who the Democratic presidential candidate is, then the horrors of the near future years rest firmly on their shoulders.

[Window]

36. If she does, hardly anyone will vote for her. She's already hated by so many people.

[libbygurl]

145. On DU. No, make that, on OU.

nt.

[Window]

37. K/R.

:kick:

[Yossariant]

39. How Rovian of Obama.

"There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot." Now Unopposed in Primary

"Obama was elected unopposed to the Illinois State Senate in 1996 representing the 13th District, comprising the university neighborhood of Hyde Park in south Chicago."

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.
Unopposed in General Election
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obama-ballot,0,1843097.story?page=1

"Obama is vying for the U.S. Senate seat now held by Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, who is not seeking re-election."
Open Seat
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_11_105/ai_114286673

"In early polls leading up to the March 16, 2004, primary election, candidate Blair Hull enjoyed a substantial lead and widespread name recognition resulting from a well-financed advertisement effort." Then ironically scandal took out Blair Hull.
Unopposed in Primary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Illinois,_2004

On August 8, 2004 – with 86 days to go before the general election – the Illinois Republican Party drafted Alan Keyes to run against Democrat Barack Obama for the U.S. Senate, after the Republican nominee, Jack Ryan, withdrew due to a sex scandal.
Token Challenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

[snappyturtle]

176. I read the first page of the Chicago Trib's article and found nothing

a serious candidate wouldn't do....even against an long time incumbent. You also say Ryan and Hull were both taken out by scandal. Sounds as if Obama was in the right place at the right time. Unless Obama caused the scandals and the petition problem with Palmer I don't see anything Rovian here. Sen.Obama won the IL primary....so, where's the beef? I guess what I'm saying is that I don't understand your stance here...maybe you can explain it to me. I'm not trying to be obnoxious...again, I don't understand.

[libbygurl]

178. Then go read BEYOND the first page of the Chicago Trib...

...and there's more in the Chicago Sun-Times, and Dallas Observer as well. Google Todd Spivak, if it's not too much trouble.

[snappyturtle]

193. I was hoping you could summarize it for us. I guess I'm going to

find the evidence that Sen.Obama personally set-up the scandals and forced the incumbent to resign.

[NV Whino]

41. Well...

"the poor and uneducated who vote, play to all their fears, and their ignorance."
The poor and uneducated who vote are going to vote for John McCain.

[galaxy21]

52. If the voters are dumb enough to fall for Clinton's smear campagin

then they don't deserve to have Barack Obama as president. Period.
This is a once in a generation oppertunity. And people are going to miss it because they willing allow themselves to believe the paper thin accusations of Hillary Clinton?


Fine, Then. Just don't complain when we have another selifsh self serving president who doesn nothing at all to improve your quality of life or that of your childrens.

[rodeodance]

204. yeah--OHIO voters were smart enough not to fall for ObamaNaftagate!

[AtomicKitten]

43. Ed Rendell on the Meet the Press gave the most chilling view that they won't accept her loss.

It is really quite a breathtaking point of view. Obama is ahead in delegates, states won, and popular vote, and if he remains ahead, Rendell says they will still try to press the superdelegates to overturn the will of the people.

If this occurs, it will split the party irreparably. The upside of that is that it will put into a motion a movement for a third party, finally. The Clintons represent the War Party, the Money Party, and are putting very little sunlight between themselves and the Republicans.

I feel a certain amount of calm knowing that either the Clintons will wreck themselves on the rocks trying to steal this from Obama and Obama goes on to the GE ... or, a third party will finally come into fruition.

[galaxy21]

45. Well as long as she's not mad enough to have him killed, he can handle it

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. I'm with you AtomicKitten....

at last...a viable third party option. I can't remember when I've been so repulsed by my own party. And wreck themselves, they surely will. I will be the first to change my party affiliation. I now find out that Rendell-PA & Corzine-NJ have offered to raise money for do-overs in MI & FL. They are not going to stop until she has the nomination, no matter what happens to the party as a result.

[AtomicKitten]

65. I'll be right behind you.

:thumbsup:

[roseBudd]

79. I don't, because McCain will win before that happens

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. Who needs a source? Hillary's strategy is plain as day.

[onetinsoldier]

51. hillary's strategy

exactly!

[rocktivity]

49. You don't think the Obama camp's doing the exact same thing?

Not to mention McCain's?

Besides, if there's something that awful about him, don't you think she would have used it by now?

:eyes:
rocknation

[JVS]

64. Obamas strategy is to get as many delegates as possible in every contest and remind the supers...

that the majority of voters backed him. It is a different and much more positive strategy

[VotesForWomen]

151. yeah, he's as pure as the driven snow. and you wonder why people call you cultists. nt

[Donna Zen]

66. It doesn't matter

if they have anything. They'll just make stuff up.

[anamandujano]

54. Nobody told him to play with Rezko all those years.

[BlueIdaho]

104. Really? Want to go there?

Just how many of the 14 convicted Whitewater felons and fellow investors did Bill Clinton pardon at the end of his last term?

[libbygurl]

138. Yah, I wanna go to Rezko!

nt

[Johnny__Motown]

55. This all became obvious with her CIC statements about McCain and Obama

She is destroying Obama's chances to win in the GE just so she can run again in 2012.

[rodeodance]

77. did you get that phone call also?? my gawd --so many got that call!

[Johnny__Motown]

83. Didn't need a phone call.. just her statements.. here is the vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

[rodeodance]

93. i am waiting for call from a "very inside democratic insider" yup I am.

[JAbuchan08]

213. Why would they call you?

you're in the tank already.

[libbygurl]

219. Fish tank? Army tank? Enlighten us, please.

For just as much reason for the OP up there to be called by this hush-hush, 'inside Democratic insider'.

[Catherina]

99. Have you seen this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA

[dysfunctional press]

58. the only way the clintons will be back in the white house...

is if the obama's or the mccain's extend an invitation.

[rodeodance]

72. did you get a "phone call from a very inside democratic insider" saying the cows are out?

[Nine]

59. Well, a friend of a friend who is VERY high-up in the Obama campaign told me...

...nothing. But isn't this a fun game?

I'll tell you this much, though. If there is any dirt on Obama that hasn't come out yet and would sink him in the general, I'd rather have it come out now than later. Honestly, I'd hope the Party leaders would have started vetting all the candidates already.

[rodeodance]

71. tele call from "very inside democratic insider."--You people will be duped by anything!!

what a bunch of gullible zombies!

[Hippo_Tron]

74. Let them dig till they reach China, they won't find anything

[libbygurl]

159. They'll find China, won't they?

nt

[xmas74]

199. If they're digging

won't they find dirt and fossils and such? Maybe some worms?

I know when I dig in my garden I find cool things like that.

[roseBudd]

76. Don't you know it's Hillary Way or the highway. She's preordained. Inevitable. rollover, stop the

voting, especially any voting in states with lots of black people because they always pick the black doll. Brown vs. Board of Education proved that.

[krkaufman]

82. One word in response.... duh!

I've been saying this for nearly a week. It was readily obvious that her "kitchen sink" ultra-negative attack strategy could be motivated by little else.

The only thing I don't understand is whether they really think they can win the nomination *and* the Presidency this way. It's mind-boggling.

[cooolandrew]

85. Yep, seems to be what's happening. Barack supporters must keep it upbeat regardless.

[rodeodance]

88. you are just

jealous that you did not get the "phone call from a very inside democratic insider."---!!

[Bake]

92. I'm not thrilled about that strategy

But don't think for an instant that the Pukes don't have legions of people doing oppo research on Obama, and Hillary too for that matter. It's GOING to come out. So the only question is, do you want it to come out NOW or in the fall?

Bake

[rodeodance]

96. YOU all got that

"phone call from a very inside democratic insider.

[Clintonista2]

101. Good riddance

[libbygurl]

140. A-men.

LOL at this outrage over 'an insider phone call'! I am so impressed, hey?

[TheZug]

103. Repeating this mantra is the best way to foil her plans.

All of us who are disgusted by this need to make our voices heard.

[libbygurl]

118. Repeating this mantra is the best way to foil her plans.

Did I get the mantra right?

[Kokonoe]

105. Excuse me for saying so,

But Ms Clinton is a proud element of the democratic party. She is distinguished around the world as a recognized face.
And what Americans in need want right now is comfort from a familiar face. WE NEED IT NOW! TO HELL WITH VOTING.
Don't you know votes are lost. those computer tabulators are programed for a reason.
And when a piece of paper tells who the winner is, Thats all we need to know.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

106. "TO HELL WITH VOTING"?

Excuse me, but are you completely out of your mind? Voting is an essential, fundamental foundation of our democracy. Without it we've got nothing. I don't want "comfort from a familiar face," I want to chose my candidate and I want my vote to count. What we don't need is Hillary Clinton's "face" chosen for us.

WTF are you thinking???

[Kokonoe]

108. OH shi,t, I forgot the

:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: I'm for Obama, sorry.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

109. Oh, silly me -- sorry.

The thing is, I've seen so much of that sort of thing around here lately that was serious, I didn't recognize sarcasm when I saw it.

Daylight savings time made me stoopid.

[knixphan]

188. I totally got it!

bravo.

[Emillereid]

110. Why are they doing this? We so desperately need a democrats to win to change

the direction of the country. The Clintons' scorched earth tactics are inexcusable.

[rodeodance]

113. OP is

doing this cause he got a phone call from a high level "insider Democratic"

[libbygurl]

121. Uh, would that be 'a Democrat' or just 'Democrats' ' to win to change'

'the direction of the country'? P only or P and VP?

[Renew Deal]

115. Hillary will never be president.

It doesn't matter how much bad shit she does. She'll never be elected.

[libbygurl]

119. Ooh, 'never' is a long time.

nt

[rodeodance]

125. All these Obamabots are swarming like insects to the smelly smut in the OP!

[rodeodance]

123. those tea leaves are might smelly.

[Renew Deal]

126. No tea leaves required

This country will never elect Hillary. Her negatives are too high, and she's a wimp compared to McCain.

[libbygurl]

130. Ooh, 'she's a wimp compared to McCain.' Did you just endorse McCain, then? nt

[rodeodance]

134. OMG---she just ENDORSED MCCAIN--NOW SHE IS A REPUG-LITE!

[rodeodance]

132. She is a very strong woman and you know it. --to call her a wimp is beyond the pale.

and she's a wimp compared to McCain.

[libbygurl]

141. You must use an outdated or inaccurate dictionary for 'wimp'. Mine

...doesn't mention Hillary at all as a synonym - but Hillary is actually an antonym.

[BenDavid]

117. Well yes it would be great if the Clintons were back in the W.H..

[Lord Helmet]

128. hello third party

[ExtraGriz]

131. its going ot be great to have a clinton back in the white house

obama needs to go back and finish his term as 'junior' senator...ripen a little bit and learn to stop whining.

[DURHAM D]

139. Only Republicans and Obama supporters refer to the working class as "uneducated".

Drivel.

[libbygurl]

143. Yep.

Now is that the way *real* Democrats behave?

[xmas74]

166. Which is why I will not

vote for him in the fall.

I'm a working class single mother. I was raised in a working class household. I'm not dumb and don't care to be called dumb.

Obama and his supporters have treated me worse than dog shit on the bottom of a freshly shined loafer.

[uponit7771]

142. Looking at this weeks past actions I can't give her the benefit of the doubt

[TwilightGardener]

146. This is CLEARLY their strategy. I've been saying it for weeks now.

[libbygurl]

147. But see, you didn't get that phone call from that very inside Democratic insider, so doesn't count.

nt

[ORDem]

148. Hardly think you'd have to be an insider to surmise this. The Clintons are nothing

if not ruthless and self-centered. I wonder what color Bill will pick for the drapes?

:dem:

[libbygurl]

160. Ehrm...yellow? Blue? Green? Dunno.

But how did you know it's Bill who's picking the colour of the drapes? Maybe they'll hire an interior designer?

'Cuz the O's are such saints, I know.

[Diane R]

149. This woman has got to be stopped. The Clintons are now exactly like the Bush cartel.

[libbygurl]

155. LOL. How do you plan to do that? nt

[rodeodance]

205. you go for it. Hillary will not be stopped

[VotesForWomen]

150. yawn. grow up, obama babies. if you can't take the heat... nt

[GarbagemanLB]

161. Wow, I wonder if you even care about the issues judging by your name. Talk about sexist.

[libbygurl]

167. Well, if you wanna judge people by their names...let's look at yours...

...Garbageman! VotesForWomen sure beats that!

[GarbagemanLB]

168. Great response! I'm sure you and other Hillbots always jump at a chance to pull the sexist card when

it benefits you. You should know, however, that it works both ways.

[libbygurl]

171. Thanks, I thought it was a great response.

'Hillbots'? How passe of you.

Clinton appeals to women because she knows their issues, has addressed them in her career as a US Senator (two-term now - how about that!), cares about women and children's health and rights. So that's sexist to you. Okayyy.

And BO did not play the race card at all, noooo, never. What has he done for blacks to merit those lopsided numbers who have been voting for him?

[golddigger]

174. Lmfao!

:rofl:

[libbygurl]

169. You'll quit if the DNC allows...you to quit?

Mkay. Bye.

[Medusa]

173. Clinton needs to convince the superdelegates he's unelectable

and she's a "better" candidate. This sounds like totally plausible info to me, hell we're seeing it in action already. And she's counting on the fact that even those of us who have been devoted Democrats all of our lives will hold our noses and vote for her when she appears on the ballot instead of voting GOP. I just won't vote at all. I refuse to give tacit acceptance of the means this woman is employing to destroy our party.

[golddigger]

175. Tell president McCain hi for me.

[anonymous171]

179. Two Words

Fuck Hillary :mad: :puke:

[libbygurl]

181. Aww, you're just frustrated, 'cuz you can't...y'know...(whatever you said).

(I don't use such language here myself, so can't repeat it.)

Poor baby. Here, have a little drink to cool off...it's...Kool-Aid, too...or are you sick of it by now?

[anonymous171]

184. I'm sick of Hillary's scorched earth negative tactics.

Can you read? It says she will be playing the uneducated rural voters FEARS to win votes. People do stupid stuff when they are afraid, such as voting republican.

[libbygurl]

185. 'People do stupid stuff when they are afraid.'

That could apply to certain posters on this thread, too. Are you afraid?

[anonymous171]

187. Avoid the subject.

I forgot, Hillary and her supporters only answer planted questions.

[libbygurl]

189. Avoiding....ehrm, what subject are we on now? Plants?

Love 'em. They're good for the environment.

[xmas74]

202. Plants?!

I could talk about plants all day long. As a matter of fact I'm looking at the Gurney's catalog as we speak!

I'm thinking about getting these heirloom tomatoes.



What do you think?

[libbygurl]

216. Yum! Beautiful tomatoes, those! nt

[xmas74]

241. I thought so too.

But these look even better!



It's hard to beat some fresh strawberries and cream on a muggy June night!

[OzarkDem]

182. Don't let the door hit you

on the way out :hi:

[Freddie Stubbs]

186. If there is damaging info about EITHER CANDIDATE, I would like to know about it before

the convention rather than after.

[knixphan]

190. Cornered animals

have a few things they resort to when backed into a no-win situation...

are we seeing a few of them on display with Hill?

[libbygurl]

191. Or with O?

nt

[Eurobabe]

196. Probably why I never joined the DNC to begin with

I am technically an Independent, but always vote D.

[jeffrey_X]

197. I'm with you. I will be finished as well and I only started about 5 years ago.

eom

[NastyRiffraff]

200. Well, I didn't get the super secret insider phone call...

But my sister's boyfriend's brother's best friend did! VERY hush-hush at this point, but the strategy is to leak something that everybody but some of Obama supporters would laugh at as beyond ridiculous, have some idiot post it on a message board, and sit back and watch Obama's supporters make fools of themselves.

[Maribelle]

218. That was cruel.

I was wondering why the Obama supporters were looking exceptionally foolish today.

Now I know.

[libbygurl]

225. Yep. Sometimes, the truth hurts. A lot. nt

[11 Bravo]

203. You'll be missed. Now whomever will we look to for petulance?

By all means, take your ball. Go home. And stay there. But first, tell your anonymous "very inside democratic insider" that I just got a call from Senator Clinton inviting me to a human sacrifice. He'll call you back with the inside scoop, and then you can post about it.

[Cameron27]

214. lol

You'll be missed. Now whomever will we look to for petulance?

:thumbsup:

[WCGreen]

217. Do you really think that Dean is siding with Clinton...

That would be the only reason to quit the DNC...

Otherwise, you are just being irrational and upset...

[DrFunkenstein]

222. She CANNOT Win, She Can Only Come Close Enough to a Bloodied Tie

And go nuclear at the convention. That's when the "fun part" begins.

[libbygurl]

226. Yes, she can! And who, pray tell,

...was threatening violence at the convention if things did not go their way? Hint: NOT the Clinton camp.

[txaslftist]

234. No, but apparently Hillary is threatening to make sure Obama loses...

...if he's nominated.

Which shows how close to home her loyalties lie.

[Maribelle]

229. If 2025 is winning - - Obama cannot win.

[cui bono]

235. And if she doesn't get to be the nominee, then she'll be happy with a McCain

presidency so she can run in 2012.

I'm convinced this is the plan.

[lostnotforgotten]

236. And People Wonder Why Progressives Won't Vote For Her!

eom

[Raine]

248. Figures

that's about what I've come to expect from the Clintons anymore.

[BigDDem]

254. I got a call this morning

from a super duper very inside democratic insider.
She said that the very inside democratic insider is incorrect.

Carry on!

[Cherchez la Femme]

255. If you think

Hillary Clinton is going after him hard, just wait until the 'pukes and the MSM get in gear. They haven't even begun, on purpose mind you, and when they do there will be hell to pay.