If the one who loses the nom doesn't campaign their DAMNEDEST for the winner...

[Bicoastal]

...I will lose all respect for said candidate, as well as a good chunk of respect for the Democratic Party. And I guarantee most Democrats across the country feel the same way.

Forget about losing blue states or winning red states, and forget about a split ticket--if we don't have a unified front once this thing is over, we are screwed. Both Clintons better be going across the country to support Obama after Denver...OR Obama and the Kennedy better do the same thing for Hillary if they're the ones who lose.

The problem is, if these two candidates keep saying things they can't take back in the Fall, eventually we will lose what should have been a sure thing (8 years of the worst Republican president in living memory) and the names of Obama and/or Clinton will inspire near-Lieberman levels of pure, raw hatred from here on after.

The way I see it, then and now, it's all up to them.

[xultar]

1. That depends on whether or not the one who gets the nom wants them to. Remember GORE told Bill to

stand back.

[PetraPooh]

2. No doubt, I imagine Obama isn't interested in "friends" like the Clintons.

[Clovis Sangrail]

5. it's not about 'friends'

it's about what's needed for the party.
A *lot of Obama supporters loathe Hillary and a *lot of Hillary supporters loathe Obama.

Whoever wins the nomination, that alianated segment of the party needs to be brought back in or we lose in the GE and get McCain.

[MindMatter]

14. That's a different question

If Clinton would do the right thing today, that would give us 5 months to come together with some party unity before the convention. That is a long time, and Clinton could help that along by demonstrating this is not all about her.

Instead, it appears she is on a path to sow destruction all the way up to the convention.

Given her recent approach, I am not very optimistic about getting ANY help from the Clintons. However, I'm not sure too much help is actually needed. The thing that would be most helpful would be for them -- and especially their entourage of DLC think-alikes -- to disappear. That ain't happening. They will be sabotaging this thing all the way up through November. And that isn't necessarily because they dislike Obama. It is simply that they are career sycophants, and their best chance to keep their careers going is to the part of the "junior Republican" establishment represented by the DLC types. They figure they can do better even going into hiding for 4 more years than they will do if Obama is able to remake the progressive end of the political spectrum without them.

[Bicoastal]

3. Not the same thing. You're talking about a former running mate--

I'm talking about an opponent in the same election cycle.

[xultar]

6. What if The nominee, let's say Obama tells Hillary thanks but no thanks. That's what i'm saying.

geez

[xultar]

7. Oh and like OBama said, his folks won't vote for Hillary and he didn't sound like he would want to

help spur him along.

[Clovis Sangrail]

9. Obama said that?

could you supply a link?
thanks

[xultar]

17. Yes he did... here are some links...

http://letters.salon.com/news/feature/2008/01/24/Obama_vote/view/?show=all
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/01/629273.aspx
http://firedoglake.com/2008/01/23/late-nite-fdl-obama-suggests-his-supporters-wont-vote-for-hillary/

Now seems to me if he says that then that means that he's not going to ask his supporters to support Hillary if she gets the nom.

That's sad because it doesn't speak of change.

[joeybee12]

4. Hilary will campaign as much and enthusiastically as she is asked to...

...of that I have absolutely no doubt...she has always campaigned for Dem candidates and always has raised tons of money for them. Regardless of what the Hillary haters here think, she is in the game for the long haul, and will keep working for Dems.

[peaches2003]

11. Oh, pleeze, you are so naive

The Clintons are never in it for anyone else. She is trashing Obama so that in case he gets the nom he will lose and she will run in 2012. Why do you think she said she and McCain are experienced and all Obama has is a speech from 2002. Does that sound like she is campaigning to help him.

Grow up. This is a blood sport and not win one for the team.

[DesertFlower]

12. i totally agree with you.

:toast:

[Mike03]

8. Couldn't have said it better. You got it. Why is this so hard for people here

to understand?

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. I think Michelle Obama would balk at your post.

And I remember many Obama supporters stating that they would not support Clinton.

Have you seen the posts? She is dehumanized. They feel righteous in calling her a monster. They have attacked every aspect of her being, and you expect that to end?

These attacks are destructive to our party and to our democracy. I am horrified that DU has turned so ugly. It will not change after the nomination.

[DesertFlower]

13. i have always said that i would support hillary

100% if she's the nominee. that changed for me when she endorsed McCain 5 times.

SHE is bad for the party.

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. I do not think she is bad for the party. And you continue to distort and lie

she did not endorse McCAin any more than Obama endorsed the Reagan presidency over the Clinton presidency.


She has been consistent in stating that she would support the democratic nominee. She has stated the truth: Mccain has more experience than obama.

Remember that Obama has said in the past that He would make a better President than Clinton...turn about is fair play.

[DesertFlower]

18. he talked about reagan who's dead.

after her wonderful words (i'll take away endorse) about McCain she won't have to support a dem. we'll get 4 more years of bush policy.

thank you very much hillary.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. He dissed the Clinton presidency in an attempt to gain the nomination

That is no different than what Clinton has done. I am amazed at the contortions done on DU in an attempt to justify the faux outrage when Clinton does the same thing Obama did.

[DesertFlower]

21. of course.

:sarcasm:

[Evergreen Emerald]

23. I expect nothing else from you.

You and yours have taken over DU and feel entitled to treat anyone who disagrees with you with disdain. Not the DU I used to know.

[DesertFlower]

24. oh pleeeez.

i read DU years ago and there were anti-hillary people back then.

as i said in an earlier post i would have supported her 100%. i defended the clintons for 8 years, but i can't tolerate what she is doing now.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. she is doing nothing more than Obama is.

He just gets media cover for his attacks. And of course Clinton is attacked constantly by the media, even with the slimest of sources. For example, in an effort to defuse the Canada / Nafta thing, the media attempted to promote the idea that clinton's people ALSO called Canada. They did not, but the story was aired, by even seemingly progressive reporters in an attempt to cover for Obama's misstep.

She has done nothing more than Obama has.

[pleah]

22. I agree with you. It is very sad that people are so hateful.

[AtomicKitten]

15. Hillary Clinton can't muster enough grace for a concession speech ....

You really are dreaming that the Clintons will do anything other than wreck themselves on the rocks trying to bring down Obama. There will be no kissy-poo after this. To suggest that is your acquiescence to the Clintons' strong-arm tactics, and no warm-blooded Democrat should go against the very core of democracy and just roll over. It will split the Democratic party and will be the ultimate catalyst for the rise of a third party.

[Evergreen Emerald]

25. you have totally dehumanized her such that you think it is Ok

to talk about such a progressive Senator who has spent her life fighting for progressive issues.

Amazing how ugly DU has become.

[MadBadger]

29. I'm sure I dont have to look hard for posts of you shitting on Obama.

[KoKo]

19. Clinton vs Obama...or Obama vs Clinton...here's the REAL DIFFERENCE!

http://current.com/items/88854218_the_democratic_messiah

[NastyRiffraff]

26. I would hope either candidate will support the other

Frankly, I have my doubts about Obama (or more specifically him, through Michelle). I hope I'm wrong. I think Hillary will follow her past practices and energetically raise money and support the nominee.

[Johnny__Motown]

28. How can Hillary campaign for him after she said he is not ready to be CIC but McCain is

[jenmito]

30. Hillary's already campaigning for McCain with her repeated praise of him! n/t