Hillary isn't going to leave Iraq .... or Meet the new boss same as the old boss

[AtomicKitten]

Where there's smoke there's fire. Every time ClintonCo accuses Obama of something, start looking because as per usual they are accusing him precisely of what she is doing: She isn't going to leave Iraq.

Clinton's Hawkishness Ruffles Feathers in Obama Camp
http://www.nysun.com/article/72209

If Senator Clinton can best Senator Obama in today's round of primaries and caucuses and go on to capture the White House, a co-author of the surge strategy in Iraq says he is convinced she would hold off on authorizing a large-scale immediate withdrawal of American soldiers from Iraq.

In a weekend interview, a retired four-star general, Jack Keane, said that when he briefed Mrs. Clinton in late 2006 and January 2007 on the counteroffensive strategy known as the surge, she "generally supported the surge strategy in the sense she wanted it to succeed but she was skeptical about its chances."

The Obama campaign yesterday seized on the general's comments after they appeared in an article on The New York Sun's Web site, with the chief spokesman, William Burton, issuing a statement saying: "Senator Clinton needs to explain to the American people what she said to the architect of George Bush's surge that made him think she wouldn't end the war."

Mr. Keane is in a position to know Mrs. Clinton, having worked informally with her since 2001, when he was vice chief of staff for the Army. Early last year, the Clinton team even asked the retired general to become a formal adviser to the campaign on military issues, a request Mr. Keane declined, as he has done when asked by other candidates.

"I have no doubts whatsoever that if she were president in January '09 she would not act irresponsibly and issue orders to conduct an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, regardless of the consequences, and squander the gains that have been made."

[spag68]

1. Iraq

Let's be fair, Obama hasn't exactly been Dennis or John E on the subject. The only thing we can do, is to keep the pressure on, to push both of them to the correct position, which is get out yesterday.

[AtomicKitten]

2. fair would be not be accusing someone of what you are doing

[seriousstan]

3. And neither is Obama. I guess the only difference in their strategies is what they tell us.

It took a leak from Ms. Power to find out about Obama's plan.

[AtomicKitten]

4. Ms. Powers was pressed to consider hypotheticals

and apparently BOTH candidates are cognizant of unforeseeable circumstances.

My point is that she is hammering him for what is precisely her position, except I have more faith in Obama getting out of Iraq than I do Hillary.

She and Bill won't release their tax forms so we can take a good look at their share of the Military Industrial Complex gravy train.

[seriousstan]

5. Faith is for religions.

[AtomicKitten]

6. It is the discerning of what is possible versus what we are expected to settle for.

[AZBlue]

9. ...

Don't waste your time....been there, done that...

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

12. hey

nice to see you around these parts

:hi:

[AZBlue]

15. Right back at cha!

:hug:

[seriousstan]

13. Right, you spent "hours".

"rofl"

[AZBlue]

22. Huh?

You know what, don't bother explaining, it won't make sense anyway - you are exactly what the Ignore button was created for! Buh bye.

[Hepburn]

7. IMO....she is...

...McCain in a pantsuit.

Hillary and McCain ~~ corporate Tweedle Dee and corporate Tweedle Dum.

[AtomicKitten]

8. The Clintons have put very little sunlight between themselves and the Republicans.

I was stunned to hear Bill appeared on Limbaugh's show the day before Texas/Ohio knowing that Limbaugh had put out the rallying cry to his dittohead minions to vote for Hillary to keep her in the face. Wow. It's almost like they are in cahoots ...

[Hepburn]

17. "...almost like..."???

I frankly think they are because the Monster would sell herself to the devil in order to get the nomination.

JMHO

[Johnny__Motown]

10. We won't get fooled again

[AtomicKitten]

16. yep

:thumbsup:

[AZBlue]

11. We'd wind up in Iran as well as staying in Iraq if it were up to Clinton.

Thankfully it won't be up to her at all.

[AtomicKitten]

14. Zogby said the neocons are backing her because they know she'll continue the war.

[billbuckhead]

18. Hillary's opponent not going to leave Iraq either

It just sounds hopeful to say it.

[AtomicKitten]

21. He opposed this dumbass foreign policy blunder from the onset.

And he WILL get us out of Iraq. He has plans for the billions of dollars being flushed down the toilet there.

The Clintons on the other hand are the beneficiaries of the War Gravy Train which is why they won't release their tax forms with schedules.

[AZBlue]

23. It's a good business decision for them.

Another 4 years of making millions off the lives of Americans.

[AtomicKitten]

25. they want the gravy train to roll on

which is why Democrats won't be seeing her tax returns anytime soon

[AZBlue]

28. Exactly

Between war profiteering and the mess in Dubai, I suspect the Clintons will never ever release those returns. How could they?

[AtomicKitten]

30. Remember her slamming Lazio for same?

The Clintons' epic hypocrisy reeks.

[AZBlue]

35. They've taken hypocrisy to a truly whole new level.

I found this interesting today - a little tidbit that someone else posted in GD about their '99 house purchase:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D00E5D8133AF937A3575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1

[AtomicKitten]

36. me thinks Ms. Flick hasn't really been vetted after all

[AZBlue]

46. I need to re-rent that movie.

It would be all the more enjoyable these days.

Although it's probably out and there's a waiting list...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

19. She Would Withdraw Them Responsibly, And With A Plan. That's All This Is Saying.

I don't see anything objectionable here. It seems like she made it clear to him that safety would be priority and that things would be done in a strategical way, as she's said to us. This is in contrast to Dennis Kucinich's irrational type now now now rhetoric. But there's nothing you posted that makes it sound like she wants us to be there indefinitely, and shame on Obama using those dirty tactics to try and accuse her of being disingenuous, based on second hand info with very little substance. Seriously, you all railroad Hillary every day for her supposed dirty tactics, yet think Obama is Mr. Friggin Clean. Well, making deceitful allegations that she's lying somehow or is being disingenuous, based on hearsay and flimsy substance, is pretty dirty and disrespectful, to tell ya the truth. It's called feigned outrage, and in this case it's weak.

[AtomicKitten]

20. the point AGAIN is that she hammered him for own position

She is a hypocritical POS for these tactics, and you too for defending them.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. What The Fuck Are You Talking About?

I'm hypocritical how now? :crazy:

[journalist3072]

24. She has said countless times that she wants to start withdrawing within the first 6 weeks of her

presidency, and that she believes she can do a brigade a month.

She's on record as saying that.

[AtomicKitten]

26. Did you read the OP? She's also on the record for not withdrawing.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. Where In The OP Does It Show Her On The Record?

Are you ok? Have you lost it?

[AtomicKitten]

33. Kean is her huckleberry, just like ClintonCo is trying to make Samantha Powers his.

Effin hypocrite.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. You've GOT To Be Kidding. ROFLMAO!

:rofl:

Oh, you're too much. A second hand statement from someone outside of her campaign counts as HER being on the record? :rofl:

Oh what ignorance.

See ya!

[AtomicKitten]

39. Caught with her pants down being a lying hypocrite and this is your best shot?

Ridicule? Seriously? Frankly, I'm disappointed, but do understand you must be exhausted from spinning all the Clinton bullshit 24/7.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

43. Are You Serious? You Can't Possibly Be Serious.

You can't possibly view what you wrote in the OP as something that has any merit or substance to it whatsoever as it relates to her position on the war, can you? Do you have ANY idea how far you're stretching and reaching to try and come up with a tit for tat in this case? How monumentally silly your 'evidence' is? How absurd your accusations are? Holy. Friggin. Cow. :wow:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. This is such a load of crap. How do you sleep at night?

YOu are spewing propaganda that has no basis in reality. Clinton said she would get out and she will.

[AtomicKitten]

29. Oh, dear. Hillary got caught slamming her opponent for exactly her position and you're sad.

:(

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. Obama has talked out of both sides of his mouth on the issue

He attacked Clinton for saying the very same thing Powers said in the interview that got her kicked off the team.

When Clinton said she has to see what is on the ground and going on in Iraq before withdrawing troops, but that she would start withdrawing troops within 60 days--safely. Then, she said she would leave some to take care of Al Queda. Of course Obama pounced on that saying she wanted to remain in Iraq. And then, suddenly, when questioned, Obama said the same thing he has been attacking Clinton on.

And: I am sad, because DU has been taken over by people who don't care about the truth. They will sink to any depths to get their guy elected, no matter how untrue it is, and no matter how ugly the lies and distortions are.

I am sad. Democracy spins down the toilet while you lie and distort.

[AtomicKitten]

44. Hillary exposed for being a lying hypocrite and playing politics with war.

:(

[Evergreen Emerald]

51. You keep saying that, with nothing to back it up.

If anyone has played politics with war, it is Obama who when he had the power to do something as a Senator--stood mute in an effort to keep any boats from rocking.

He DID NOTHING. And claims that he was against the war. He has no actions and only empty words.

"lying hypocrite." When? Where? what did she say that was anymore a lie than anything Obama has said?

[AtomicKitten]

52. Hillary is the neocons' wet dream for obvious reasons.

Obvious to everyone except those that choose to close their ears to truth.

[Lucinda]

34. He claims he knows what she thinks NOW based on interviews from 2006 and 2007?

Your link says he's not even a part of her campaign now. :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

38. Ah huh. Well, that's practically an argument.

That's a pretty weak 'trash the source' tactic. Frankly, I'm disappointed, but I do understand you guys must be exhausted from all the excuse-making. Whew.

[Lucinda]

42. Serioulsy? You think that his comments are valid on March 9 2008?

[PresidentObama]

41. I'll take Hillary at her word. Not some hit piece.

[AtomicKitten]

45. Riiiight!!

I think you are losing oxygen pulling the covers over your head like this, but the Clintons appreciate your blind support.

[PresidentObama]

47. You do no service to Senator Obama claiming Hillary won't get us out of Iraq.

[AtomicKitten]

48. Um, Kean was talking about it on Washington Journal this A.M. and said it.

So, there's that.

[PresidentObama]

49. I'll believe Hillary herself. She should know best what her OWN plans are n/t

[AtomicKitten]

50. So, you don't support ClintonCo for slamming Obama for the same position?

As if. :eyes:

[PresidentObama]

53. AK, I love you darling. But two wrongs NEVER make a right. Do they?

[dailykoff]

54. K & R

[dailykoff]

55. This is basically why she's been rammed down our throats for eight years

and keeps getting resurrected by ES&S, CNN and the rest of the CIA puppet show every time Obama flattens her. At this point it looks like she might pull an LBJ and force herself onto the ticket.

Scary.