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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:15 PM
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Poll question: Do you support Howard Dean continuing as DNC Chair...?
Assuming Dean is amenable...

Do you support Howard Dean continuing as DNC Chairman beyond the 2008 election cycle, into another term?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:16 PM
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1. Yep.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 PM
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2. Absolutely 500% Hell Yes. n/t
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 PM
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3. If that's allowed, I'm all for it
I'm not sure if any DNC chair has ever served more than one term.

In any event, I just hope that Hillary, if she is the nominee, does not put Terry McAuliffe back into his old job. We lost more elections under his tenure than we did in the Reagan years.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 PM
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4. I votes "Yes", but...
...(predicated on his continued adherence to his current strategy) I think "ONE more term" might be a little restrictive.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:26 PM
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17. Well, I didn't want respondents to have to consider beyond the Fall. n/t
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:18 PM
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5. Hell yes. 50 state strategy. Expand the party in "red" states.
Edited on Sun Mar-09-08 10:19 PM by fujiyama
But he can be stubborn. I wish he had found a way to compromise earlier on MI and FL.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:19 PM
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6. I Love Howard Dean.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:19 PM
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7. Obama is winning with Dean's 50-state strategy!! That sh*t works!!
Dean is doing a spectacular job.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:20 PM
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8. I support Dean to do whatever he wants, including a party purge if he so desires,
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:20 PM
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9. Yes. He's done a great job.
n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:22 PM
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10. If Dean resigns, then I hope he'll lead "Democracy for America" again.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:22 PM
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11. without a doubt. n/t
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:22 PM
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12. Dean has the 50 state strategy right. n/t.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 PM
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13. Absolutely! The doctor has helped the DEMS get over the McAuliffe Maliase
and the nation get over the McAuliffe Chaffe

Looking the Obama campaign and at the sorry state of the HRC campaign gives good insight into whose methods work and whose do not work worth a damn. The former follows the 50 state strategy Dean espoused. The latter seems hell bent on the McAuliffe method of pissing off as many people as possible by being a wind sock and thinking everyone is too stupid to notice.

And Dean's team has brought the party to use the internet as a great tool. Very helpful indeed.

Plus, Dean listens. People respond better to that.
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Thurston Howell III Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:23 PM
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14. No. So he can run in 2012.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:24 PM
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15. Yes, he has been outstanding. nt
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:25 PM
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16. I like Dean.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:32 PM
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18. Absolutely.
As long as DLC pukes like McAuliffe think they can circumvent regular rank-and-file Democrats and choke off $$$$ to the state parties, we need 50-State strategists like Dean to prove the DLC wrong again and again.

:kick:
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:34 PM
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There are no "terms" for DNC chair, and four years is a long time for the position
Many recent DNC chairs have stayed as few as two years. I doubt Dean will want to continue, and it is usual practice for any new administration to put their own chair choice in. So I wouldn't expect him to stay ... it won't be anybody's fault.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:40 PM
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20. You bring far too much knowledge to the issue.
:)

I'm not sure Dean wants to continue, either (especially after the MI/FL hassle), thus the addition of the "if amenable." I did some brief searches and couldn't find any info on length of "term" for DNC chair, and so figured it was likely chopped into 2-year stints, with new Chairs being chosen at or after each election cycle.

Your comment re: "put their own choice in" touches upon why I'm curious about people's views. Given the criticality of the position, as demonstrated by Dean's effort, I would think that each candidate's plans for the seating of the Chair should be an issue for discussion during the primary campaign.
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 10:34 PM
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19. Very much so!
He is great for the Democratic Party.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:06 PM
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21. I support him running for president so he will be the ONLY anti-war candidate nt
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:07 PM
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22. Isn't he responsible for this cluster f--- primary process
Primaries in some states, caucasas in others and some with both then there is Floridah and Michican't mess.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:27 PM
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25. No he is not responsible, Terrence R. McAuliffe, is responsible,
if you're looking to blame someone.

Here's a link, to better inform yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee


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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:59 PM
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28. Not at all, if my understanding is correct.
Primaries and caucuses have existed for ages, with each state's party organization deciding how their delegates would be selected. So that one falls on each state party -- and on the DNC rules committees, over the years, for allowing the variance.

If referring to the insane front-loading of the primary process, with nearly half of the states voting on Super Tuesday on February 4th, that really lies at the feet of Terry McAuliffe who redesigned the primary process in 2004 in an effort to produce a nominee sooner. (with a bit of an advantage for the frontrunner, and making it tougher for underdogs and grassroots candidates due to the need for large sums of cash for advertising across so many states simultaneously -- where grassroots campaigning isn't doable due to time constraints)

As for the FL & MI travesties... it's difficult to blame Dean. He really had no choice but to enforce the Party rules when both states chose to break them, in moving their primaries in front of the agreed-upon window. (look at all the states that held primaries on Super Tuesday. MI & FL wanted to one-up them, against the agreed-upon rules, to gain more influence -- and likely campaign advertising cash) Dean seems to have been fairly straightforward in dealing with the issue, while Florida (much moreso than MI, who's been mostly silent) has loudly complained in the media.
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MagickMuffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:24 PM
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23. WooHoo, I'm vote #100
He has done an excellent job as DNC chair. A hell of a lot better than Terrence McAuliffe.

:applause: 50 STATES :applause:


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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:26 PM
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24. Nope, and he won't continue if we win the election
DNC Chair is a figurehead who takes marching orders from the White House when the party is in power. That is not Dean's kinda gig.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:56 PM
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26. Howard Dean is the man.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-09-08 11:59 PM
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27. Does Dean even
want it? That's the important question. Dean might have other plans and I'm sure life does. But, if Dean would want it and Obama gets in then it might be synergistically productive.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:03 AM
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31. No clue if Dean would want to continue ...
... though I'm thinking is less likely day-by-day, with the ongoing campaign animosity and the MI & FL issues ... but that's why I prefaced the question/poll with "if amenable."

I haven't heard him say one way or the other, nor have I heard either candidate comment on any preference for Chair should they win the nomination and/or Presidency. I *did* see a post/comment somewhere, the other day, alluding to both of the remaining candidates having committed to continuing to fund Dean's 50 State Strategy. (but am too tired to go find it now)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:17 PM
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33. That's nice but hilary says a lot
shit that isn't true.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:43 PM
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42. Which is one of my concerns ...
... if there is a near-unanimous feeling that Dean should be allowed to continue for a bit longer, if he wants. Personally, I think he should shepherd the 50 State Strategy for a reasonable period, possibly another couple election cycles, to make sure it has momentum and a solid foundation.

Of course, we don't want the strategy too tied to Dean, so I'm also interested in exactly how it's being institutionalized within the DNC, in order that it lasts beyond Dean's direct involvement.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:50 PM
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43. Thanks for bringing this
to people's attention 'cause it only makes sense and what's working for Dems.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:55 PM
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44. You're very welcome. It was selfish, really, since I was curious ...
... about everyone else's thoughts on it.

Several questions remain... would Dean want to continue? who will our nominee be? will our nominee want Dean to continue? will our nominee fully support and fund the 50 State Strategy?

Personally, funding of the 50 State Strategy should be a litmus test question asked of every Democratic candidate. Support for Dean is obviously less important, but full support for 50SS needs to be clearly documented.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:00 AM
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29. Dean is a fantastic chair.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 12:01 AM by myrna minx
He put the Dems back on the road to victory.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:02 AM
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30. he'd make a great HHS secretary
if he'd want it


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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 12:05 AM
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32. Yes ...with no term limits!
He's doin' a heck of a job! :P

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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:19 PM
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34. He's brilliant. I love his fire. But this FL/MI thing was a disaster
and I don't believe in rewarding people who presided over disasters.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:06 PM
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48. Then you'll have to bone up on it..
'cause it had nothing to with Dean and everything to do with people like bil nelson in Florida who are dcl and wanted to make a power grab and it only hurt the voters. They could have waited one week until Super Tues to have their primary like the rules stipulated.

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:20 PM
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35. I have always liked Dean and still do (n/t)
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:22 PM
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36. The new Democratic President should pick whoever they want.
Assuming a Democrat wins in November it should be whoever the new President chooses. It wouldn't mind if Obama wanted to keep Dean around.
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Bombtrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:23 PM
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37. As someone who was a demonstrated Dean-hater back in 03/04 I say YES
The man has completely reversed my opinion of him.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:00 PM
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46. It's people like you, Bombtrack, what give me hope for humanity.
Thanks for the chuckle.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:29 PM
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38. Yes, but he handled FL and MI badly
He should have done what the Republicans did (halve the pledged delegates) and not seat the superdelegates. Instead he chose to play political chicken. I love Dean, but he does share some of the blame in this fiasco.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:30 PM
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40. The DNC - Democratic National Committee & Ickes voted for that decision
This was not a one man decision.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:05 PM
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47. Given the notoriety of the other party in the issue ...
... rhymes with blorida ... and from the facts painstakingly detailed by madfloridian, Dean seems, to me, to be largely without blame.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:30 PM
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39. Absolutely nt
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:31 PM
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41. yes n/t
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:55 PM
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45. Absolutely NOT!!!
Howie screwed the pooch with this MI and FL fiasco. IF we don't allow the delegates to sit, people that voted (blah blah blah...yeah, I know THEIR STATE party leaders broke the rules, but they are the ones being punished) will be disenfranchised. IF we let the results go as they stand, some people didn't vote because they knew their vote wouldn't count. IF we have a revote, Howie looks like an ass.

Sorry, he's got to go.

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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:07 PM
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49. I'm a bit confused... if MI & FL have revotes ...
... then wouldn't they have come around to what the DNC has been supporting all-along?
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 05:08 PM
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50. YES YES YES!
50 State Strategy :woohoo:
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