Glorifying Obama Is One Of The Greatest Journalistic Failures In American History

[Yossariant]

By: Herb Denenberg, The Bulletin

03/07/2008

The mainstream media have just committed one of the most disgraceful acts of journalistic malfeasance and nonfeasance in the history of America. By glorifying, deifying and canonizing Sen. Barack Obama and failing to examine his record, the mainstream media helped assure his nomination. Some experts say it is already in the bag, even if Hillary Clinton completes her astounding comeback by winning Pennsylvania on April 22.

The second act in that journalistic disgrace is that after the outcome of the nomination process was almost over, suddenly the mainstream media came to its senses and started half-heartedly covering the whole Obama story, which if told, in my view, would make it apparent that he is unfit for the presidency...

If nothing else, the lame attempt to provide some balance to the Obama candidacy has already had one payoff. It showed that the senator is thin-skinned and incapable of taking criticism. It showed that, as this column has repeatedly stressed, he is not ready for prime time, and to even offer a candidate with such a thin resume is almost comical...

And now, let me introduce Sen. Obama when he is confronted with hard questions instead of adoration. This description is in the words of the Washington Post, a leading member of the mainstream media journalism known best for bias and dishonesty in reporting: "The day before the primaries in Ohio and Texas that could effectively seal the Democratic presidential nomination for him, a smiling Obama strode into a news conference at a veterans facility here. But the grin was quickly replaced by the surprised look of a man bitten by his own dog." That's because for the first time he actually got a few tough questions...

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19369226&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

[xultar]

1. So, who are the people that run The Bulletin and what are their motives?

[Yossariant]

6. Obviously a bunch of racists who just want to sink Rev. Obama's candidacy.

[xultar]

100. Obviously. I just wanted to know about them and what their deal was

I didn't say I disagreed.

[donheld]

181. The second paragraph from the bottom should destroy your thread

If you want to know what is going on in the world, you have to give up on the mainstream media (such as the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, Fox Cable News, Reuters, Associated Press, etc.) and try some alternatives. Just to name a few, there is the Weekly Standard, National Review, Newsmax, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Sun, the Washington Times, The Bulletin, townhall.com, frontpage.com, heritage.org, freerepublic.com, drudgereport.com and many more. And, of course, there is the voice of conservative talk radio with such notables as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and many others. With the Internet it is much easier to get a full range of opinion and avoid the mainstream media.

hope your proud of yourself

Sorry to the poster down thread but this needs to be at the top

[niceypoo]

23. When you cannot refute facts you attack the source

it is called the 'Fallacy of Ad Hominim'

[yardwork]

39. I saw very few facts in the article.

[rodeodance]

53. Glorifying Obama Is One Of The Greatest Journalistic Failures In Amer. History *FACT

[krkaufman]

65. Ummm... that would be an opinion.

We may have found the root cause of so many of your ill-conceived responses, confusing opinion with fact.

[merbex]

76. Not "fact" more of :less than interested in actually doing their job

about any of the 8 that ran in the sense of - here's what this person stands for and say and this is who is advising them

The MSM preferred repeating quarterly reports about money raised, showing a few rallies and a few Town Hall appearances which showed differences in crowd size amongst the contenders. Oh, and which celebrity endorsed which candidate.

But actual policy beliefs????

And why that stance is important???

Uh, no.

The MSM has done a lousy job about all of them...... but they did faithfuly tell us every quarter who was winning in money raised and then repeated that total every day until the next quarter.

Feel informed?

Good thing I have access to the internet and some free time to indulge my curiousity.

[avrdream]

172. Nice points.

All so true.

[rodeodance]

118. I call it a fact.

[Nederland]

133. Yes, you call it a fact

That is exactly why it's called an opinion.

[krkaufman]

157. Methinks the difference may be lost upon them.

(I like the *fact* that their post was in response to one of their own previous posts. Maybe they were trying to work through the difference between the two, in a sort of online soliloquy.)

[rodeodance]

182. too bad

[rodeodance]

56. well, you know--most Obamacampers are Rovian by nature.

[krkaufman]

63. Where was the attack in the post? It seemed like a simple question.

It's even possible that it was facetiously posted.

[xultar]

102. Exactly. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed.

[krkaufman]

115. Things seem a bit hair-trigger around here. n/t

[xultar]

99. I was just asking. Why get so nasty? DAYUM. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed.

[rodeodance]

59. Do your own reseach.

[xultar]

98. WOW. Lost your binkey? Need a nap?

In my best Stewie Griffin voice.

[rodeodance]

120. how many pillows would you like?

[xultar]

143. You know. I was gonna say alot. But I've recently cut down to 2 and I dig it.

I'll take 2 please.

[avrdream]

173. Oh, for fuck's sake.

Give it a break. This is a very serious topic.

[snooper2]

121. rodeodance like war...

Because I thought investigative journalism going to the wayside of the run-up to Chimpy's war was the greatest media failure of the century..

Guess rodeodance is a neo-con

[krkaufman]

61. Who knows for sure.

Some guy named Tom Rice, according to the website's "Contact the Publisher" link.

Wikip. says the editorial board leans right-of-center...

In 2004 Philadelphia investment banker Thomas G. Rice bought the Evening Bulletin name from the McLean family. ... The Bulletin bills itself as "Philadelphia's Family Newspaper"; its editorial focus is right of center. The Bulletin currently circulates to approximately 10,000 households in Center City Philadelphia, as well as upwards of 86,000 households in Bucks, Chester, Eastern Montgomery and Delaware County, as well as the Main Line.

[stillcool]

165. look who they recommend for news....

If you want to know what is going on in the world, you have to give up on the mainstream media (such as the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, Fox Cable News, Reuters, Associated Press, etc.) and try some alternatives. Just to name a few, there is the Weekly Standard, National Review, Newsmax, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Sun, the Washington Times, The Bulletin, townhall.com, frontpage.com, heritage.org, freerepublic.com, drudgereport.com and many more. And, of course, there is the voice of conservative talk radio with such notables as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and many others. With the Internet it is much easier to get a full range of opinion and avoid the mainstream media

[donheld]

180. YOUR POST SHOULD BE SHOUTED FROM THE ROOF TOP OF DU

It's the key to the whole thread.

[yardwork]

2. I can think of several much greater journalistic failures of the past decade...

[Yossariant]

34. Not too good on comprehending comparatives, eh?

"One of the greatest"

"Much greater"

[yardwork]

38. Don't be absurd. Obama is a historic candidate.

The press is not promoting him particularly - certainly nothing like their promotion of the chimp and his wars.

[krkaufman]

77. Or Hillary's inevitability for all of last year. n/t

[MagsDem]

161. To the contrary -- it is exactly the same mindless promotion

they engaged in for the Chimp and his wars. And the public, lemmings that they are, rush to obey the media. BO is an empty suit with no accomplishments that weren't asked for by him and handed to him by people that supported his candidacy.

[krkaufman]

67. Ok, let's quantify.

The media's coverage of Obama is not on any list of journalistic failures, nor should it be.

Who the heck is Dern Farlington, anyway?

[blogslut]

3. Really, Mr. Denenberg?

A greater journalistic failure than the MSM's compliant cheerleading for the Iraq war?

I guess different people have different standards.

[Blue_Tires]

44. that's my question...

not to mention propping up the bush campaign and presidency...those are three much worse examples even if the media declared obama president today...

[krkaufman]

83. Were you able to read all the way to the bottom of the piece?

If not, here's what you missed...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5000774&mesg_id=5001698

[here_is_to_hope]

108. I made it to "Clintons astounding comeback..." before I tossed

my cookies....

[krkaufman]

113. Yeah, that was a rib-tickler.

The end, though, listed the guy's recommended alternative news sources, to get around the MSM bias. It's a good read, if you have a few seconds.

[babylonsister]

117. Oye! That explains it! nt

[Tellurian]

4. And what does Obama do when faced with a tough question..

First and foremost, deny it as false. Blame Hillary, she does it too. Blame a staffer. Feigns ignorance. Has the offending surrogate apologize.

When all else fails...RUN!

[Jamastiene]

19. He reminds me an awful lot of the current pResident. n/t

[Yossariant]

21. I agree and have made the comparison, too. Thin-skinned, arrogant and remarkably incurious.

[calmblueocean]

35. Remarkably incurious? Hmmmm.

I don't bite on too many posts these days about either candidate, but for someone who has written a particularly self-searching autobiography and has shown himself to be as aware and informed as anyone running, I'm wondering where you get the 'incurious' from. Would Biden be incurious, too? Richardson? Would you acknowledge that Hillary was 'incurious' in that she did not read the NIE before casting her vote for the AUMF? Or does she get a pass?

Just... curious.

[Yossariant]

37. When is the last time Senator Obama took a firsthand look at the situation on the ground in Iraq?

:shrug:

Just ... curious.

[calmblueocean]

43. In 2006, apparently. But you're kidding yourself if you believe these trips are anything but PR.

No 'one day visit' to Iraq to meet with generals is going to give any real insight into 'the situation on the ground in Iraq'. It's not like riding as an embed with a unit over a course of weeks or months. These visits are basically used as a form of political theater. It sounds good to say, "I've been to Iraq! I've seen the situation on the ground there!" but it's just a political tool, a rhetorical device. Not a substantial indicator of political or intellectual curiosity.

I would still like to know whether you also consider the other candidates as 'incurious', specifically Hillary for not reading the NIE, but the others as well. Who meets your standards for curiosity and intelligence?

[krkaufman]

86. boo. yah.

You beat me to it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

101. Hillary supporters are possibly the laziest and most incurious voters I've ever seen

I'm including the ones on DU, because I haven't noticed much difference between them and their counterparts IRL.

They rival the Bushbots for their willingness to blindly follow a leader. Her empty claims about her experience and the fact that she was married to the man who was President during a relatively decent time are all they need to know. And rather than researching Obama for themselves they simply parrot the Clinton talking points about his supposed lack of experience and substance. There is simply no excuse for that at this point. People have had over a year to learn what Obama stands for and what his plans are. There is no excuse for some of the ignorant and uninformed posts I see on this board about him. This article in the OP is a perfect example. I'm guessing the person who posted it didn't bother to read the whole thing and see that it was RW propaganda. It was bashing Obama and that was all s/he needed to know.

[rodeodance]

124. BO "supporters are possibly the laziest and most incurious voters I've ever seen"

[laugle]

164. Your the

ignorant one! Failing to see that insulting Hillary supporters, will make it less likely that they will vote for BO in the GE, and that means he will not win!

You may want to try to articulate your point without the insults!

[indimuse]

28. run Obama RUN!

Like a box of chocolates...lol..never know what's inside...

[rodeodance]

122. nah---He just says "I agree with Hillary"

[peace13]

5. I gotta tell ya.

Obama isn't glorified. The American people are sick of this type of politicking. The mean spirited lies and twisted truths that come out of the Hillary camp make people turn from her. She is pushing people away with her Rthug politics. Look at the facts and learn. It is amazing that people are willing to lead this country down a *hit hole in order to get this woman selected! So sad. Kim

[Yossariant]

8. Denenberg's point is that you don'r know the facts. The MSM speaks and the sheep bleat.

[peace13]

26. Dear, the MSM has been Bleating for Hillary for over two years.

Chris Matthews and the like have lived up Hillary's *ss telling us what a cozy place it will be when we all move in! Give ma a break. The people have no alternative but to arch their backs to the campaign ugliness and falsehoods from the Hillary. Funny that Denenburg is the only one who knows the facts. Did you notice that?

[niceypoo]

32. Mathews hates her and has for years

Judged by your own measure, obsession = support, you would fall in the support category.

[peace13]

36. You my friend have not been listening. n/t

On Edit: If he hates her he has done a grand job of humping for her over the years which brings us back to the article above and the MSM. To Hillary lovers...either way she gets more that her share of the spotlight.

[niceypoo]

40. Ive been listening for years

Give us a few examples of this 'Humping'

[blm]

42. You think THAT is a great journalistic failure, but ignoring the deep-sixing of BCCI matters

that led directly to 9-11 is NOT a failure greater than anything a Rezko could do?

Care to explain how your outrage got stoked on Rezko but not on Jackson Stephens, GHWBush, Dubai and Saud royals, AQ Khan, Marc Rich - all left off the hook and protected throughout the 90s by the very Dem president who has been receiving millions of dollars from all those he protected?

And what did this nation get for the deep-sixing of BCCI matters? Bush2, 9-11, war on terror, Iraq war, future war with Iran. That's all.

[krkaufman]

88. Yes, and that ya'll Hillarites need to start getting your information ...

... from a better group of news sources

[niceypoo]

29. This is a prime example of what the article is talking about..

Obama supporters show their 'support' by attacking Hillary. It is rarely, if ever, expressed in the form of touting his policies. I believe that this is due to the fact that Obama has failed to define himself as anything other than being 'not Hillary.'

His campaign, as far as I can tell, is based on one vote Hillary made five years ago and nothing else. He has had the media doing his dirty work for him for months, particularly the left wing media. Don't believe it? Turn on Olberman or Air America for 5 minutes. This is exactly what Bush did against Gore and Kerry, stayed supposedly,'above the fray,' while his supporters and the media bombarded his rivals with hyper-negative criticism, all in his name, all the time.

[krkaufman]

84. In case you weren't able to read the piece all the way to the end ...

... here's what you missed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5000774&mesg_id=5001698

[rucky]

7. Oh for shit sake.

If we were intersted in nominating our strongest candidates, we'd be having a showdown of Biden vs. Richardson right now. Hillary's gravitas is big - but it's as big as that giant target on her ass. All of the puffery in the name of contrast is hollow. We're not picking either candidate for their superior experience, and it would be a pretty sad statement (but appropriate) that we pick one because they can take a punch the best.

It's a little late in the game for buyer's remorse, but I said it from the beginning - our weakest candidates are in the lead. Time to quit the race to the gutter and start making some lemonade

[Armstead]

9. You forgot something - Read his conclusion

:If you want to know what is going on in the world, you have to give up on the mainstream media...and try some alternatives. Just to name a few, there is the Weekly Standard, National Review, Newsmax, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Sun, the Washington Times, The Bulletin, townhall.com, frontpage.com, heritage.org, freerepublic.com, drudgereport.com and many more. And, of course, there is the voice of conservative talk radio with such notables as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and many others. With the Internet it is much easier to get a full range of opinion and avoid the mainstream media.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

11. LOL.

A veritable rogue's gallery.

[bicentennial_baby]

12. D'oh!

:rofl:

[Yossariant]

14. He's right. These facts came from freerepublic. You won't find them on MSNBC:

"There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city's South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama's four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot." Now Unopposed in Primary

"Obama was elected unopposed to the Illinois State Senate in 1996 representing the 13th District, comprising the university neighborhood of Hyde Park in south Chicago."

But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.

A close examination of Obama's first campaign clouds the image he has cultivated throughout his political career: The man now running for president on a message of giving a voice to the voiceless first entered public office not by leveling the playing field, but by clearing it.
Unopposed in General Election
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070403obam...

"Obama is vying for the U.S. Senate seat now held by Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, who is not seeking re-election."
Open Seat
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_11_105/a...

"In early polls leading up to the March 16, 2004, primary election, candidate Blair Hull enjoyed a substantial lead and widespread name recognition resulting from a well-financed advertisement effort." Then ironically scandal took out Blair Hull.
Unopposed in Primary
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elect...

On August 8, 2004 – with 86 days to go before the general election – the Illinois Republican Party drafted Alan Keyes to run against Democrat Barack Obama for the U.S. Senate, after the Republican nominee, Jack Ryan, withdrew due to a sex scandal.
Token Challenger
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Keyes

[Armstead]

18. Yes, that Liberal Media gave Obama a free pass -- And Kerry was a chicken in Vietnam

[NashVegas]

30. And the Media Was *So* Gung Ho to Counter the Swift-Boating Lies

Oh wait, no. They didn't do shit until it was too late.

What makes a thoughtful DUer such as yourself believe the media that fawned over George Bush, that cheered for war ... suddenly is trying to do the right thing by giving Obama the pass they did, up until Ohio?

[Armstead]

33. What I believe is....

The media as a whole is too shallow and stupid to have any real agenda except to parrot each other for the most commercial and superficial of reasons.

The media should be giving Obama and Clinton and McCain more in-depth scrutiny all along as standard operating procedure.....Instead, they sit by passively waiting for some crumb to drop their way so they can repeat it to each other endlessly.

[NashVegas]

57. True

It's a shame ... Top 40 news.

[krkaufman]

90. Wow. That was a curiously non-apocalyptic exchange.

Kinda startling to see within these walls.

[krkaufman]

89. So you're saying he's a fighter? n/t

[Yossariant]

95. Yeah, he's a "fighter" like Rove's a "fighter.".

:crazy:

[krkaufman]

97. I believe you meant Howard Wolfson. n/t

[Yossariant]

123. I say what I mean. I don't say one thing to Canada and a different thing to Ohio. wink, wink.

:crazy:

[krkaufman]

130. Why would you assume I would think that?

I didn't allude to you being a member of the Clinton campaign.

Mr. Brodie, apparently seeking to play down the potential impact on Canada, told the reporters the threat was not serious, and that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign had even contacted Canadian diplomats to tell them not to worry because the NAFTA threats were mostly political posturing.

The Canadian Press cited an unnamed source last night as saying that several people overheard the remark.

The news agency quoted that source as saying that Mr. Brodie said that someone from Ms. Clinton's campaign called and was "telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt." (link)

[Yossariant]

138. Do try to keep up. Obama's lie has been discredited. You won't hear much about it from the US MSM

precisely proving the point that "Glorifying Obama Is One Of The Greatest Journalistic Failures In American History."

"PMO: Canadian officials only got briefing from Obama campaign - not Clinton

OTTAWA — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.

With the NAFTA affair swirling over the U.S. election and Canadian officials skittish about saying anything else that might influence the race, it took the PMO two days to deliver the information.

After being asked whether Canadian officials asked for - or received - any briefings from a Clinton campaign representative outlining her plans on NAFTA, a spokeswoman for the prime minister offered a response Friday.

"The answer is no, they did not," said Harper spokeswoman Sandra Buckler.

That response will come as a relief to the Clinton campaign, which has angrily denied that it has engaged in the kind of double-talking hypocrisy of which it accuses Obama..."

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gNMJKvj5eQRQBNSeQj3bTyETSagQ

[krkaufman]

145. Yeah, if you want to believe what the Canadians are saying *now* ...

... trying to minimize the international crisis their Right Wing government started by leaking the fact that the Clinton campaign had telegraphed their insincerity on NAFTA reform.

[Yossariant]

168. Balls. She called 'em on it and they folded because it's a damn lie..

They didn't back down about Obama, though. :evilgrin:

The leak about him talking out of both sides of his mouth was "unfair" --- not untrue.

:rofl:

[Tatiana]

15. Ouch! Are we now using right-wing sources to prove points here now? n/t

[Yossariant]

17. Ouch! Ouch! Ya mean like Andrew Sullivan, Peggy Noonan, Jonah Godberg, Bill Kristol, etc?

:rofl:

[Tatiana]

27. Yep, like those. I don't use them. I have standards. Obviously others don't. n/t

[Shakespeare]

114. Try not to be so transparent.

:eyes:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. and Dick Morris

[rodeodance]

62. yes--Obama folks routinely bring Hannity and Rush types to DU lately-so it OK

[Blue_Tires]

50. thanks for reading it all the way to the end

i wish more here in this thread did the same...

[Quixote1818]

52. Now that is fucking funny!!!!

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

69. Oh dear. The OP pounced on this anti-Obama piece a bit prematurely.

The irony is delicious.

Perhaps the ravenous Obama-haters will now learn where they're getting their talking points from....yeah, probably not.

[Yossariant]

78. No, dear. One Denenberg for the Sullivans, Kristols, Morrises, Noonans, Goldbergs at al.

I suppose it just depends on whose ox, eh...

:rofl:

[krkaufman]

94. No. The OPer knew exactly what they were posting ...

... but was just being petty. And will scamper off to future threads decrying Obama supporters' lack of decorum.

[americanstranger]

75. Hm. No agenda there, nope.

He gets a wide range of opinion - from Rush Limbaugh to Laura Ingraham!

At least he doesn't go to those worthless shills like Randi Rhodes or Keith Olbermann. /snark.

- as

[krkaufman]

85. exactly. good catch.

I doubt that many, including most of the Hillarites touting the article, made it that far through the nonsense.

[Shakespeare]

112. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Excellent. :thumbsup:

[redqueen]

155. BWAAA!

:rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

10. One word: Chimp.

THAT was the greatest journalistic failure in history. Twice.

[stray cat]

13. Who are they kidding? Good thing the lead up to the Iraq war isn't important

[Sulawesi]

16. pfft...greatest journalist failures in history? Give me a break...

Is this headline one of the greatest overstatements in the history of journalism?

[Political Heretic]

20. I don't about anything else, but that's some terrible writing.

:P

...glorifying, deifying AND canonizing... really?

[progressoid]

22. Why post this right wing drivel?

And who is rec'ing this right wing drivel?

[Yossariant]

24. I'm putting money on it not being the same people who rec Andrew Sullivan.

:hi:

[ProSense]

70. Andrew Sullivan is a conservative. There is no excuse for posting this wingnut drivel. n/t

[Pawel K]

31. Yup. Much worse than when they pimped the war in late 2002/early 2003.

We can forgive that, unless you believe Hillary that pimping the war then wasn't a mistake, then you have nothing to forgive. But not attacking a fellow democrat with lies, thats just unforgivable. Fucking media.

:sarcasm:

[mjg540]

41. IT'S ABOUT TIME...

There is something very uncomfortable going on here. Neither Obama or Clinton were my candidates of choice and had the Media done their homework, this whole campaign may have taken a different turn. So many qualified candidates were brushed aside in Iowa; Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Richardson....for what. The candidate of hope and change it appears is long on words and short on substance. But we must also keep in mind that as citizens of the USA, we have a civic responsibly to do our own homework.

[madrchsod]

45. the idea that this was the one of the worse failures is a joke

what a big pile of shit...

[rodeodance]

126. LUV the Title

[BumRushDaShow]

46. Wow. I thought this guy had gone the way of the dinosaurs!

Herb Denenberg is now a political pundit?????? This man used to be a TV-based consumer "investigative reporter" back when "gotcha" reporting was en vogue. Now he does politics???????

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Stick a fork in this guy. He was done 20 years ago! He's a certifiable ranting rightwing nutcase! He was a nutcase when he was on Channel 10 here in Philly (which was CBS affiliate back when he still worked for them, but is now NBC).

Check this out (from http://www.thedenenbergreport.org/):

Herb Denenbergs syndicated column now appears every week day in the Evening Bulletin, Philadelphias new daily newspaper. Herb says the Bulletin is the perfect antidote to the poisonous dishonest, fraudulent, and biased journalism of the Philadelphia Inquirer. The Bulletin, locally owned and independent, again provides a fair and balanced alternative to the Inquirer and its journalism, which of late, is most noteworthy for being anti-conservative, anti-Republican, anti-Bush, anti-war-in-Iraq, anti-Israel, pro-terrorism, and anti-Semitic.

The Bulletin is sortof using the name of a previous Phila. newspaper of the same name (Evening Bulletin) that had closed down years and years ago. But anyone who uses the Faux News "fair and balanced" meme ... well need I say more?

:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

47. Did you actually read the entire article? Here's the recommendation:

If you want to know what is going on in the world, you have to give up on the mainstream media (such as the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, Fox Cable News, Reuters, Associated Press, etc.) and try some alternatives. Just to name a few, there is the Weekly Standard, National Review, Newsmax, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Sun, the Washington Times, The Bulletin, townhall.com, frontpage.com, heritage.org, freerepublic.com, drudgereport.com and many more. And, of course, there is the voice of conservative talk radio with such notables as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and many others. With the Internet it is much easier to get a full range of opinion and avoid the mainstream media.

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=19369226&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

:rofl:

[Yossariant]

60. Ya also gotcher Andrew Sullivans, Dick Morrises, Jonah Goldbergs, Bill Kristols

Peggy Noonans, etc -- as pointed out upthread.

:rofl:

[NYCGirl]

68. And the author of that piece loves them, too.

:rofl:

[Yossariant]

72. The Obamatoons love them.

:evilgrin:

[NYCGirl]

79. And the Clintonistas have nothing else! NT

[rodeodance]

125. "And the BO'ers have nothing else! NT"

[NYCGirl]

131. Except more wins and more delegates! NT

[ProSense]

74. All the "great ones"

A wingnut hall of fame!

[HuffleClaw]

48. well, that hit the nail right on the head alright

some have been saying this for a loooong time

[krkaufman]

49. Holy shit... it's Herb Denenberg....!!!

I've gotta reevaluate everything.

[Armstead]

54. Now you'll have to put a smiling McCain there

[madrchsod]

58. i think he`s been reading the hillary supporters here at du

every talking point and every cute saying or description is used here everyday....is herb a member of du or does he just lurk here for is ideas? inquiring minds want to know!

[krkaufman]

73. I suspect he's a Right Wing hack who is trying to promote the meme ...

... of "Hillary the media victim" and "Obama the beloved" in an effort to drum-up support for Hillary/depress support for Obama in PA, and keep the Dem race going.

Just speculation, but it's not really worth looking into any further.

[rodeodance]

51. K and R

[Quixote1818]

55. Did you read the entire article?

If you had you wouldn't have recommended it. :rofl:

[krkaufman]

80. o.m.g. -- what an unbelievable hoot

I thought *this* comment was funny...

"the great columnist Charles Krauthammer"

... until I got to the ending, to which I have to assume you were referring...

"If you want to know what is going on in the world, you have to give up on the mainstream media (such as the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, Fox Cable News, Reuters, Associated Press, etc.) and try some alternatives. Just to name a few, there is the Weekly Standard, National Review, Newsmax, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Sun, the Washington Times, The Bulletin, townhall.com, frontpage.com, heritage.org, freerepublic.com, drudgereport.com and many more. And, of course, there is the voice of conservative talk radio with such notables as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and many others. With the Internet it is much easier to get a full range of opinion and avoid the mainstream media."

Her supporters are just too precious.

[here_is_to_hope]

142. I do believe I just blew a donut out through my

nose...it may be a while before I can pry the sprinkles off the screen...
"the great columnist Charles Krauthammer"...OMFG!

[krkaufman]

148. Yeah, it started with the "astounding comeback" statement...

... built to the Krauthammer rib-tickler ... and to the ultimate crescendo of comedy at the close.

[Yossariant]

81. This from a poster who just started the fourth, at least, Andrew Sullivan thread?!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[krkaufman]

82. Andrew Sullivan's a saint ...

... in comparison to the rogue's gallery promoted in your OP.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5000774&mesg_id=5001698

[Yossariant]

87. Bill Krisol's a saint. Jonah Goldberg and Peggy Noonan are saints. Dick Morris is a saint.

as long as they tout the Right Reverend Obama.

Suck it up. :evilgrin:

[Quixote1818]

135. LOL! You think Andrew Sullivan compares to all the Nazi's he listed in the article?

:rofl: Now that is fucking funny!

[Hissyspit]

179. And that justifies your posting this stupid piece of propagandic excrement how exactly?

Do you know ANYTHING about the people who are this author's heroes?

[FlyingSquirrel]

64. Yeah well fuck the media. They let the Iraq war happen, guess they can

let Obama be president. Whatever the fucking media wants is just peachy keen I guess.

Fucking fourth branch of government my fucking ass.

[ProSense]

66. What an idiot! Bush is still in office and he's writing this crap! n/t

[lmbradford]

71. just a hypothetical....

what if they did and just couldn't find anything..........what if that is what they think is so great about him?

[Scriptor Ignotus]

91. well, at least the author is being objective about it

:rofl:

[Beacool]

92. Great column, thanks for posting it!!!!!!!!

I agree with everything Denenberg wrote, except for his suggestion that we listen to Rush, et al.

I have great misgivings about Obama's capacity to lead in an effective manner and I too think that he's not fit to be president, at least not at this point in time. I fear what would become of this country if McCain or Obama are president.

I would have been disappointed if Hillary didn't get the nomination, but I would have gladly voted for the remaining candidates: Edwards, Richardson, etc. I don't feel the same way about Obama, I don't think that he's prepared to be president. I hope that the media finally does its job before this election is all said and done.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

93. Clinton lost 11 primaries in a row, yet was still treated like the undisputed frontrunner.

Her campaign is currently playing the media like a fiddle, getting uncritical coverage of everything she does and no one challenging her statements.

"Thin skinned and incapable of taking criticism"?!? Is this numbnuts fucking kidding us? Was it Obama going on a press conference screaming "Shame on you!"?

[krkaufman]

96. Don't get too worked-up. The author is a RW hack.

(check his suggested media alternatives at the end of the article)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5000774&mesg_id=5001698

[mrreowwr_kittty]

105. I know. Sad that a longtime DUer would link to someone like him in an OP.

But hey, when it comes to taking Obama down, all bets are off I guess.

[krkaufman]

107. Prepare yourself for a post listing an assortment of other RW hacks...

... whom HC-supporters feel have been thrown at them. This whole thread was just a petty flame-bait, in response to one or another commentary/op-ed pieces posted from a source deemed out-of-bounds. ('cause Hillary's campaign is all about ethical boundaries, don't ya know.)

[Hippo_Tron]

103. I stopped reading at "Senator Cut-and-Run"

[ProSense]

104. "Why Hillary Should Not Trusted...she can lie, cheat, steal, commit perjury, obstruct justice..."

Why Hillary Should Not Be Trusted

By: Herb Denenberg, The Bulletin
11/15/2007

Don't make too much of Sen. Hillary Clinton's flip-flopping and inability to decide whether she's for or against issuing illegal aliens driver's licenses. That's the least of her problems. If you want an in depth look at her character read Bay Buchanan's book The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton. For some reason it is probably the least publicized of the recent books on Hillary, but in my view it is the best, the most revealing, the most powerful and the most important.

Whether or not you are a supporter of Hillary, I suspect after reading the book you will be convinced of the author's claims: Hillary is a phony, hypocritical, congenital liar who won't accept responsibility; she's so insecure she relies only on gurus, consultants and other advisers instead of thinking for herself, she's unprincipled; she's far-left liberal despite her pose for purposes of the election; and she's likely to be a big spender and big taxer (she admitted to having a million ideas, which we certainly can't afford).

Take the liar issue as one prime illustration of her character problem. I consider William Safire, a former presidential adviser and columnist for The New York Times, to be one of the soundest, more careful, most reliable and most brilliant thinkers of our time. Here's what he had to say about Hillary (when Bill Clinton was president): "Americans of all political persuasions are coming to the sad realization that our First Lady - a woman of undoubted talents who was a role model for many in her generation - is a congenital liar."

<...>

But there is a more fundamental issue. Ms. Buchanan proves that Hillary does not have the character to be president or, for that matter, to be trusted with any important office, such as dogcatcher. Ms. Buchanan offers this summary: "Hillary's character is not a pretty sight. In stride she can lie, cheat, steal, commit perjury, obstruct justice, malign reputations and destroy the lives of innocent people. Driven by ambition, arrogance, greed, elitism, power and entitlement, Hillary's road to the top has been a bloody one. Reputations and lives of real people have been left in the dirt along the way. But it has worked for Hillary. She made it to the top - and may do so again."

More On Why Hillary Shouldn't Be President

For all you fans of Denenberg!

[ProSense]

111. Comments from Denenberg fans? n/t

[onenote]

106. Personally, I think Denenberg's articles is a much greater journalistic failure

as well as a disgraceful act of journalistic malfeasance.

But, I'm sure Denenberg will find some defenders here. After all, GD-P is on the other side of Alice's looking glass these days.

[Maxdee55]

109. A Lifelong Democrat Who Will Not Vote For Obama

Since I became eligible to vote I have voted in every election except one, that was Mario Cuomo vs George Pataki for Governor of New York, it was the only time in my life I had ever felt so strongly against a Democratic candidate that I refused to vote, unfortunately I feel that way this year too. I believe as I did in 2004, it is imperative that a Democrat gets elected to the White House, I also believe that even though it doesn't look that way now, Barack Obama cannot win the White House in November. The insinuations are clear Clinton is the dirty, status quo candidate, while Obama is a shining prince destined to save the world, his young smug supporters have eaten this up with a spoon. But things are starting to change, the media now sees Obama as the nominee so the questions have gotten a bit tougher, we are now hearing about his questionable business dealings, his friendship former weatherman Bill Ayers, and soon we will be hearing about the pastor of Obama's church Rev. Wright who has made anti-white statements in the past. It is clear that in the race against Clinton, the media sided with Obama big time, after all she's a Clinton and the media loves to bash the Clinton's. John McCain will be a different story, already every point made about McCain is preceded with the information that he's a war hero, the media loves this if your a Republican, of course being a war hero didn't excite them as much when it was Democrat John Kerry in 2004. Personally, I cannot vote for Obama because I do not think he is qualified to be President, I believe he has relied on charisma and rhetoric instead of substance, and the smugness of he and his supporters who believe not supporting Obama's candidacy is tantamount to being ignorant, has just rubbed me the wrong way. After reading about Obama's short Senate career I have come away with the impression that Obama never had an interest in being Senator from Illinois, that he just tried to skate by, make contacts, and raise money on his way to the White House. I hope that somehow the Democratic voters take a second look at Obama, and make Hillary Clinton the nominee, I believe her to be more qualified and more electable than Mr. Obama come November.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

110. Hi Maxdee55. Welcome to DU. Quick questions:

Would you be okay with Sen. Obama on the VP spot?

Whom did you support in the beginning? Sen. Clinton, or one of the other candidates?

[yardwork]

116. If "questionable business dealings" and acquaintance with former radicals disqualify

then we're going to have to look high and low for any candidate that passes that purity test.

And the insinuation that Obama is part of some anti-white conspiracy is just silly.

[snooper2]

119. I thought it was Chimpys balls itching for war..

and the coporate whore media with their lapel pins...

[milkyway]

127. I stopped reading when the author called wingnut creep Charles Krauthammer a "great columnist."

Why don't we just see what they're saying at Free Republic about Obama?

[calimary]

128. No. Glorifying bush is one of the greatest journalistic failures in American history.

Near-criminal dereliction of duty. They saw no evil, heard no evil, and wouldn't dare even broach the subject. Quite deliberately, too. If they had told the truth about him in 1999 - his cocaine and drunk driving arrests, his shirking his National Guard duty, his three consecutive bankruptcies of oil companies (such an idiot-jerk he couldn't even find oil in Texas), his temper and his arrogance - among other things - he would not have been palatable to the voters. Instead, they looked the other way whenever possible. Gotta get those cutie-pie nick-names, after all! Can't risk missing those!

:grr:

[malletgirl02]

151. Yes

It's like the past seven years never happen.

[mmonk]

129. We're already seeing how thin skinned Clinton is.

[rodeodance]

134. ah but strong!!

[zabet]

132. K and R

:kick:

[Vinca]

136. Golly . . . almost as bad as pimping that war Hillary voted for. nt

[izzybeans]

153. It's so wrong to suggest Hillary's War has been pimped. Resign immediately

Immediately I say!!! ;)

[havocmom]

137. Projecting journalists' error of glorifying of bush onto Obama is fucking pathetic

Glorifying bush was the GREATEST Journalistic Failures In American History - and the most damaging.

Get serious. Obama? How about all the TRUTH they ignored about bush in the rush to paint him as such a straight shooting nice guy you wanna have a beer with? That was an unforgivable dereliction of journalism!

[anonymous171]

139. Hey! Did you hear about Clinton's "Strong Showing" in WY?

[krkaufman]

159. Indeed, I did...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4981147&mesg_id=4981147

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

140. you left out the part about how they crowned Hillary the nominee first.

[zulchzulu]

141. Seeing Pennisms like "glorifying, deifying and canonizing" from a Philthy fishwrapper

Gimme a break. This squalid screed is as smelly as South Street slime oozing in the curb.

[samsingh]

144. supporting the iraq lies was one of the worst journalistic failings

and betrayals of all time.

[malletgirl02]

147. I agree

Yes, the lead up to the Iraq war was a much bigger journalistic failing.

[krkaufman]

158. Which is being kind

Journalistic failings in the run-up to the Iraq war are softened by lumping them all into a single batch.

Distinct instances of journalistic failure in the run-up to the Iraq war would predominate were such an enumerated list to actually be composed.

[avrdream]

146. Kicked and recommended.

Buyer's remorse is going to be very painful this time.

[Pooka Fey]

149. Incapable of taking criticism? That reminds me of someone. Hmmm**...

[txaslftist]

150. "This is the same Sen. Obama who would surrender in Iraq ..."

Know your source.

It doesn't surprise me that a reich wing rag or a reich wing editor would write a hit piece on Obama. It surprises me a little that a DU'r would feel it was quotable, but I suppose it shouldn't.

Next time you should just go straight to Hannity or Coulter to pick up your garbage.

[izzybeans]

152. HaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

:rofl:

And what does that make the drumbeat for the Iraq War. Yeah the Obama candidacy way outshines that one.

I think I hear a smoky room full of fat white men in wool suits. Shhhhh!!! Do you hear it? They are chomping nervously on their phallic cigars

[Swamp Rat]

154. LOLOLOLOLOL LOLOLOLO LOLOLOL LOLOLOLOL OLOLOLOLOL LOLOLOLOLOL OLOLOLOLOLLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!

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[Kurovski]

156. It's almost like journalists' failure to report the lies leading up to the Iraq invasion.

Or to report on any dozen of Bush scandals.

:sarcasm:

[MagsDem]

160. It's about time someone said these things

Of course BO supporters will continue to champion BO with no good reason or cause except for a 5 min speech he gave one day, 6 yrs ago when he had zero responsibilitity to back up any of his words with action.

BO is the great empty suit of our times, and GE voters will figure that out if he wins the nomination. Then DU can cry in a corner for the next 8 yrs.

[jgraz]

162. Yes, their cheerleading for the Iraq war pales in comparison

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[jackson_dem]

167. I wonder what Edwards thinks about the msm propping up Obama for over a year

If they covered him honestly it may have been Edwards marching toward the nomination right now...

[cooolandrew]

163. Hey thats my god you're talking about there.Blasphemy!...

Barack is more than up to the job he hasnt cuddled up to his opponent McCain for one.

[Laelth]

166. Oh, please ...

Look in the Constitution for the criteria to be President.

Obama meets all the criteria. Other than that all he needs is enough votes. We don't need a pinhead like Denenberg telling us who is and is not fit for office. This is a democracy. We get to vote. Voters get to decide who is and who is not fit.

:grr:

-Laelth

[Ileanasouza]

169. Luckily, people are starting to realize he is no Messiah

Obama is as human as you and me. Many people thought differently a while ago.

[boppers]

170. Interesting uhm... rant?

Yeah.

Here's the "staff":

http://www.thebulletin.us/site/news.asp?brd=2737&nav_sec=84415

I love how the internet makes blogs/micro-publishing like this seem important. It's cute.

The finest quote, however, is the "which if told, in my view" statement by the reporter which happily tells us that there's not a single shred of journalistic integrity attempted in the piece.

[VotesForWomen]

171. correct, but is has been no accident. they want obama to be the nominee, then they'll destroy him.

[avrdream]

174. Exactly.

You can already see it subtley happening on Fox.

[Tennessee Gal]

177. I totally agree and it will be a sad sight to behold.

The media is playing this perfectly for John McCain.

[amborin]

175. second only to giving Bush a pass on the yellow cake and alum tubes fabrications

[amborin]

176. saddest: if Obama does manage to get nominated, the media will shred him

along with the rethugs

[Hissyspit]

178. This piece of shit has 42 recommendations?

What has happened to this website?

Promoting freerepublic and Drudge? Charles Krauthammer a great columnist?

I hope the recommendations are because people want everyone else to get a laugh.

The title itself is absurd and embarassing - and then it goes downhill from there.

[Maribelle]

185. Say what? It is the Obama supporters promoting freerepuke and Sludge.

Perhaps you should go bash them.

[Hissyspit]

187. Where did I say anything about Obama OR Hillary??

Did you read the article?

"If you want to know what is going on in the world, you have to give up on the mainstream media (such as the New York Times, the Philadelphia Inquirer, the Washington Post, the Boston Globe, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NPR, Fox Cable News, Reuters, Associated Press, etc.) and try some alternatives. Just to name a few, there is the Weekly Standard, National Review, Newsmax, U.S. News & World Report, the New York Sun, the Washington Times, The Bulletin, townhall.com, frontpage.com, heritage.org, freerepublic.com, drudgereport.com and many more. And, of course, there is the voice of conservative talk radio with such notables as Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Dennis Prager, Michael Medved, Hugh Hewitt, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage, Bill Bennett, Laura Ingraham and many others. With the Internet it is much easier to get a full range of opinion and avoid the mainstream media."

Why would anybody post this shit? CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER??

It's an article by a wingnut asshole!

If Obama supporters have trumpeted those websites (and I haven't seen that), then screw that, too.

[sueragingroz]

183. This just feels true to me

Because it is consistent with everything else that I've seen from the U.S. media over the last two decades.

Sometimes, if something is too good to be true, it actually is.

[Maribelle]

184. Obama shows more of his true self with each passing day. Harsher, harder, bashing Clinton.

Discussing issues has become totally foreign to Obama.

I would love to see the day when the MSM delves into his "one speech" pf 10/26/2002, looking at it from the perspective that he probably copied most of the actual issues from speeches already made in Congress prior to and during the 10/11/2002 IWR vote.

The MSM has failed from the onset, and has give Obama a free pass all along.

[Raffi Ella]

186. excellent article , Thank You.

I'm one of those that were caught up and manipulated by the MSM's drumbeat to attack Iraq;having been fooled once by them it didn't work when I heard a similar "drumbeat" for Obama.

You have to figure out the 'truth' for yourself.Keith Olbermann is no better than Faux news to me.Biased one sided "news" is not good no matter which side they are shilling for.