I get it now. I understand. Hillary will not concede eventhough she can't win.

[Ian_rd]

Through the will of Democratic Party voters, Hillary cannot win. But she will also not concede. She is not fighting this fight because she believes her policies are better than Obama's, for theirs are quite similar. She is fighting him because he is a threat. He is a threat to the Party Establishment who told her she could be president. How dare Obama barge in without paying his dues and presume to campaign without permission! It was HER turn! The voters have indeed been unruly, failing to take their orders properly from before the primaries that Hillary was inevitable, and that they should bow down and accept it. Like disrespectful children, they voted and continue to vote for someone else.

This must not be permitted, they say. Hillary Clinton will destroy the ability of the Democratic Party to win in November before she allows Barack Obama to be president. Because this is not Democrat vs. Democrat. This is the Elite control of government vs. popular democracy. That's why she's praising McCain at Obama's expense. That's why she will never concede despite her inability to win in a straight contest. Because she has taken sides, and it is not ours. In her mind, the Democratic Party can suffer another loss if it means preserving the system of establishment control in Washington, D.C.

She's not going anywhere. Either by stealing the election from the will of the voters, or dogging Obama until November. Hillary's mission, when before it was becoming president, has been redefined: Stop Barack Obama at all costs.

[havocmom]

1. Status Quo for the elites now in power v Rolling Populist Thunder that is the soul of the DEM Party

OUR party.

You nailed it. Thanks.

[pingzing58]

122. Enough gloating already. Give it a break!

[havocmom]

191. Gloating? I am a Edwards supporter

:shrug:

[Sander]

207. Gloating???

So you admit that Obama has essentially won the nomination? I agree. He has. So why is Hillary continuing to provide ammunition for McCain to use in the General Election? What is her agenda? She is too smart to be delusional. What is she hoping to gain here? A VP offer from Obama? Not likely given her latest scorched-earth Obama bashing tactics. A 2012 nomination? Or is she hoping for a VP nod from McCain?

Ambition run rampant here, methinks.

[havocmom]

250. Evidently, pointing out facts is counted as gloating by those who don't like the facts

Don't like the truth? Dimiss it as something it isn't. That tactic has been used a lot in recent years and the nation is in a heap of trouble because of the disconnect with reality.

One would hope we have had enough of following delusions from the past 7+ years of being told, by bush/cheny/rove/rice/gonzo/bolton/and-the-rest that down is up.

Seems some have just gotten so used to believing the talking points that they are outta practice with reality and insist it is gloating.

Confusing, ain't it? ;)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

158. she staying in because she WON with REAL Democrat votes&Obama won with 1time crossover Rethug votes

[wysimdnwyg]

182. Wrong

<----- NOT a "rethug".

For the record, I was for Edwards prior to when my state voted, but by the time I got the chance, Edwards was all but out. Obama was a close second.

[theredpen]

190. First of all, your data is wrong

You keep citing this mythical statistic. Stop it.

Secondly, votes in an open primary are votes in an open primary. This concept that some votes are better than others is a betrayal of our American concept of Democracy.

[havocmom]

197. meh, they gotta blame losses on somebody, and they WON'T look to HRC campaign for the trouble

so the trouble keeps following them.

And we all know republican neighbors who WILL vote Obama in GE who would not vote Clinton under any circumstances.

Them v Us thing is a neocon construct and it is depressing to see so many DEMs using it. Fact: we are AMERICANS, many people on both sides of the aisle know we have more in common than differences, we need to pull together to common goals to fix anything. Anyone who insists any others who happen to be registered R can't have valid, objective ideas and energy for making the nation better is a flat out bigot and is contributing to the environment in which NOTHING will be done to correct the serious problems facing ALL of us.

Most voters (on all sides) are sick and tired of this business of partisanship over serious problem solving. Pissing on someone because of party affiliation is silly. It is playing into the hands of the CLASS that is killing all of us. Divided we fall. Lesson forgotten by too many, it seems.

[theredpen]

218. Absolutely!

I have a Republican co-worker who's a young-Earth creationist, evangelical Baptist. He voted for Huckabee in the primary and will vote for Obama in the general.

[aquart]

237. Obama is now a populist? I hope someone told him.

[havocmom]

247. His methods are like the populist DEMS of my youth and he goes to the people

not just the people in big coastal urban areas.

Populists recognize POPULATIONS (<-- with an 's') not just the urban costal population base. So, yeah, if he visits the flyover states HRC's campaign has dismissed up to now (when they see they are NOT inevitable and actually need people) that would make him a .... populist.

Those were some pretty big ol crowds in very white rural states. His support comes from a very broad swath of the total POPULATION of AMERICA.

Yep.

[Mme. Defarge]

2. It's about 2012 n/t

[Skidmore]

22. It's about 2008, 2012, and every other election. Either

the people take control of their government or this nation does not live up to its constitution.

[blm]

199. Clinton loyalists had a hand in undermining 2000 and 2004, too.

.

[aquart]

238. And now we're guilty of treason?

TAKE THAT BACK.

[blm]

239. Were YOU working for TeamClinton in 2000 and 2004? No. Loyalists like Carville were.

As noticed by historian Douglas Brinkley:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

As witnessed by Woodward:
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward

[knixphan]

240. YES. EXACTLY.

[Exilednight]

94. Exactly - destroy Obama to play the "I told you so" card in 2012. One problem.....

Hillary needs to learn from history. No Democrat since the 19th Century has ever lost the nomination on their first run and come back and won it on the second.

[Frank Booth]

119. I don't think she cares about that history.

It's all about getting another shot. She's still trying to get the nomination in 2008 by destroying Obama, but if that doesn't work at least he'll be cooked in the GE. Which gives her another shot in 2012.

Don't you know that Hillary knows what's best for all of us?

[babylonsister]

3. Perfectly stated. Stop Barack Obama at all costs, Dems and the

country be damned. :grr:

[AtomicKitten]

26. in a nutshell ....

[L0oniX]

50. ...

[MaraJade]

105. Obama's choice. . .

Especially after his pronouncements of this evening.

[Avalux]

4. Jim Hightower agrees with you as do I.

Jim Hightower, a true progressive Texas Democrat and Superdelegate:

"The most exciting thing about the Obama phenomenon is the phenomenon-the fact that millions of grassroots Americans have self-organized and become the driving force in a presidential campaign. They feel that they matter again in politics and that some real progress might finally be at hand.
In 2006, an awakened political majority tried to send an electoral message demanding real change in Washington's business-as-usual, money-driven policies. They "won," but were disappointed by the new Democratic leadership in Congress, so this year, they're back with an even more vociferous, insistent, message of change-and they've found their messenger in Barack Obama.

I believe he will win the nomination and win in November, but most importantly, I believe he can govern as a progressive president. This is because Obama will not be going into the White House alone or with the usual coterie of special interests and old party operatives-rather, the democratic force that he has excited at the grassroots (especially among energized young people) will go in with him, demanding progressive policies and providing a counterpunch to the lobbyists who will try to capture his presidency.

Senator Obama represents the bright future that is possible in America when ordinary people begin to take charge. Clinton and McCain certainly have a wealth of Washington experience, but Obama has tapped into our country's enormous democratic potential, and that's not merely exciting, it is invaluable to our future."

http://www.burntorangereport.com/quickHits.do#217

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

46. Jim Hightower is dead to me!

:grr:

[redqueen]

185. CRUCIFY HIM!

[MaraJade]

106. Hope he can do it without the Senate. . .

:eyes:

[Medusa]

5. That's about the size of it

Even the GOP got Huckabee to drop out.

[TheFarseer]

52. Huckabee helped McCain

here's the difference: Huckabee stayed positive. He was only talking about what he wanted to do. He was not digging up dirt on McCain. He was not saying he was too old, or too angry or not tough on illegal immigrants. He never said he didn't hate gays enough (that's a big deal for republicans). The only thing he did was keep McCain and the repugs in the news. Hillary is keeping the dems in teh news allright, but it's not good news. It's whether Barack might be a terrorist or whether he can answer the phone or if he's with the Black Panthers or if he used to deal coke, and trying to get him caught up in a scandal. I would have no problem with Hillary staying in if she was going to be positive, but I can't imagine being more negative than Hillary is being right now.

[Medical Speaking]

6. Great Post

Agree with you, it has not been about the people with Hillary it is all about her.
John Edwards said it best in the debates. Its not about you but it is about the American people.
I must amit I have some questions about Obama but also beleive he is about the people.
We need a change in Washington but with Hillary or bomb bomb McCain nothing will change same old same old.

Semper Fi

[greguganus]

7. After this, I wouldn't vote for hillary for president of a homeowners association. n/t

[Q3JR4]

13. If Hillary gets the nomination

at least she'll be better than mccain will be (one can hope).

Personally I support Obama but will vote for either one of them over corrupt republican operatives.

[DemVet]

153. Agreed. n/t

[beezlebum]

173. "at least she'll be better than mccain..."

i once felt that way. but more and more she's talking and behaving like he or bush. she's done a real nice job blurring the lines between clinton the moderate dem and clinton the republican hack who would rest assured work to ensure a continuing corporate rule/republican era.

i'm thinking less and less that she'd be "better." yes, one can hope, but in her, my faith is dwindling to nothing. i've gone from 'enormous respect- go hillary! hope she runs for president! (1993-2002),' to 'yea i'd vote for her if she wins- she's a dem after all, better than mccain, and i refuse to be a republican enabler (2002- off and on late 2007/08),' to 'o. m. g. another term for dubbya- a vote for clinton is republican enabling. (present)'

sucking mccain's ass at the expense of her fellow dem was no way to win over already-reluctant voters. if she can betray the party as she has done thus far, who's to say she won't continue to betray us?

unless she wins fair and square, which i doubt, i will not vote for her at this point. not unless i'm re-convinced that it would be worth the nausea, upset stomach, heartburn, indigestion, and diarrhea, not to mention the time consumed out of my busy schedule as an indentured servant.

[Raine]

80. I'd write in Obama

cause I can't vote for Hillary. :-(

Edit: spelling

[MADem]

131. Might as well cut to the chase and vote Popeye in that case NT

[pokercat999]

134. Exactly, if I want a rethug I'll vote for a real one not just

someone that votes and acts like one.

If Hillary is the nominee, I'm either not voting or voting rethug. I'll probably decide on election day.

[MADem]

251. Well, my attitude is that any Democrat will do a better job nominating Supreme Court justices.

So I'm not going to get all shitty and take my ball and go home, no matter who wins the nomination. I intend to vote for my party's nominee. Even if my choice doesn't win.

Senator Clinton would pick good SCJ's, even if you don't think so. So would Senator Obama.

It never ceases to amaze me how rabid partisanship can blind people to the larger issues here.

It's unfortunate. I can only hope that the paradigm holds, and the DU rabidity isn't indicative of the larger voting population.

[pokercat999]

259. I agree any DEMOCRAT is better than a rethug, my

point is that Hillary is a dino. Filled with self interest and not at all concrened with regular people. Otherwise explain her votes on cluster bombs and the bankruptcy law. Please, really, explain these votes for me.

I can explain them, bought and paid for by the banking and defense industries, pure and simple she sold her votes along with many other good "democrat/dinos".

[MADem]

260. Yeah, she'll nominate anti-choice justices who will bring back states' rights.

Think it through, for chrissake. What a foolish "stand on principle" assertion.

I won't explain any votes, anymore than you can, or will, explain every fucking instance of why Obama voted PRESENT over a hundred times--you need to just stop with that cherrypicking votes bullshit. It's childish.

I won't play "gotcha" with someone who doesn't see the big picture. It's a childish game, and fucking idiotic.

DINO, my ass. If Clinton gets the nom, and you stay home or withhold your vote, and McCain is elected, I'll "thank" you for it.

And if, one by one, your rights are taken away by the Third Bush Administration, don't you dare come here whining about it. Wait--you probably won't be able to...they'll have so many onerous eyes on the internet by then, no one will dare post here anymore.

Dissent will no longer be tolerated. And principled fools like you will be the cause of it.

[pokercat999]

261. No, eventually principled fools like me will stand on their

hind feet and demand honesty and integerty from their elected officials. I don't think McCain being elected will be all that bad in the LONG run. Sure we'll move back to the 1800's, the place in time he is most comfortable with. But, with enough pressure from the rethugs and if things get bad enough, we may rise up and finally create an America we can be proud of again. I've been a long time advocate of splitting the US into 2 or more countries. I've kinda got off that horse since my new found hope in the Democratic party. That hope is quickly fading, as I thought it might, as the reality of 21st century American politics emerges. We (Democrats) don't seem to be any more principled than our Republican brothers we just claim we are. Clintons tactics are unforgiveable over the last several weeks and if justice prevails she will not be able to steal this primary election.

Oh and by the way, if Clinton gets the nod I may just vote FOR McCain. If someone is going to screw me over I'd rather it be a Rethug.

[MADem]

262. WHAT??? You don't think "McCain being elected will be all that bad in the LONG run?"

You're obtuse. You have no knowledge of current events. You don't know what you are talking about.

That is the most UNINFORMED comment I've seen on this board.

And your last comment -- Oh and by the way, if Clinton gets the nod I may just vote FOR McCain. If someone is going to screw me over I'd rather it be a Rethug. --takes the cake. You might benefit from a review of the rules, because if you actually believe that crap, you're on the wrong board. There's a link at the bottom of the page, nestled in the small print.

[pokercat999]

264. OK which rule have I violated? You however may have

squeezed rule number 3 just a bit with the "no knowledge" and "don't know" comments. I might if I weren't such a thick skinned poker player, take offense. I missed the "march in lock step always wearing your starched brown shirt", rule.

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265. That would be TWO and SEVEN.

McCain isn't a Democrat: Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office.

And clicking on the link at number seven brings you to this:

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You're not the arbiter of who is a Democrat, and who isn't. There are two DEMOCRATIC candidates running, even if you don't like one of them.

Pretty cut-n-dried, that. And a "revenge vote" is a vote against the Democratic Party and its goals.

After all, this IS "Democratic" Underground. Not "I Hate Hillary Clinton" Underground.

[seafan]

8. Obama is a threat to The Establishment, the DLC, AIPAC warriors, Corporations, Lobbyists

What we are witnessing is a tectonic shift from the grassroots of our country, that brings the era of Bought Government to a crumbling end.


We are truly making new and wonderful history.

"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt...If the game runs sometime against us at home, we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake." -

-- Thomas Jefferson

[dflprincess]

20. If Obama was a threat to the establishment our corporate media

would either have ignored him into oblivion or crucified him.

[billyskank]

28. I agree.

I actually want Obama to win, just so we can then see how much of a threat to the establishment he is...

(The real threats to the establishment are all out of the race already).

[Cronus Protagonist]

113. Exactly, just like they did with Edwards and Dennis n/t

[PADemD]

135. They tried that in the beginning.

All we heard was it was going to be Hillary against McCain or Guiliani.

[ekwhite]

77. I won't go that far Seafan

But I will say he will make a hell of a lot better President than McCain or Clinton. As far as I am concerned neither of them has passed the threshold necessary to become President.

[HowHasItComeToThis]

87. BINGO, CITIZEN

[QC]

92. And that's why the corporate media think he shits pink ice cream, right? n/t

[bhikkhu]

99. If that is the case, the only reason he slipped through is Edwards

At one time the most electable of the big three was also the most outspoken critic and sworn enemy of Bought Government; he had to be stopped at all costs, and stop him they did.

But while they were busy with Edwards, another threat to the coronation of the chosen one arose...

[VotesForWomen]

130. OMG, that's the funniest thing i've heard in ages. honey, the establishment has given O the seal of

approval and put him where he is right now. if this was not the case, he would have been gone a long time ago, just like kucinich, gravel, ron paul, etc. no wonder people say o supporters are naive.

[greyghost]

193. BINGO

[John Q. Citizen]

9. That's about the size of it. And where did she "stop" him? Ohio.

[Barack_America]

10. You know, I wonder whether the Clintons NEED this.

Bill Clinton has been well-documented to trade $ for political influence. Many of the large donors to the Clinton library have *coincidentally* benefited financially from a contact that Bill provided.

Is there anything to suggest that Hillary is not open to the same dealings, especially considering she sold Vin Gupta her donors' personal information? The tooth and nail way that Hillary is fighting for this nomination (even at the potential expense of her Senate seat and position in the Democratic party) makes me wonder how much this race is about necessity rather than desire.

What $ has exchanged hands and what promises have already been made, assuming the "inevitable"?


ETA: changed title

[Usrename]

11. And crush this whole Democratic Party movement in the process.

This movement is what scares those folks who have their hands on the levers of power.

If he must be stopped in order to crush the movement, then Barack Obama must be stopped at all costs.

[joshcryer]

12. Obama's compromising and unifying message is *not* a threat to the party establishment.

They salivate at having someone so naive that he even considered confirming someone that the other Democrats didn't want, and when told that it was politically naive, he went along with not confirming him.

He's a puppet.

[John Q. Citizen]

18. They are afraid of what the power structure has always been afraid of . People in numbers saying no.

Or even worse, saying yes.

Yes, we count. Yes we can. Yes we will.

Power keeps people down by keeping them fragmented, seperated, and powerless.

Obama, and his mass support scares the shit out of them.

Don't kid yourself. How do you suppose they keep your icon down?

[nomaco-10]

14. Someone might have to pry....

billary's cold clammy hands away from the reins of power in Denver. I don't think they're going gently into any good night.

[invictus]

15. The Clintons are selfish, greedy, and addicted to power. n/t

[tigereye]

254. you really don't think everyone running for President is addicted to power?

[KittyWampus]

16. Hillary & Bill are fighting to protect Bush, the NeoCons and THEIR OWN FILTHY TURF

[here_is_to_hope]

17. She needs to use some of that dough she has raked in and

buy herself a clue.
See ya Clinton.

[Seabiscuit]

19. No, you DON'T get it. Neither Hillary nor Obama can "win" the magic number of delegates.

So stop obfuscating and stop whining:

[emilyg]

74. Don't confuse them with facts.

[Name removed]

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[MaraJade]

95. Agree. . .The weight of their own hubris will carry them to destruction--

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. . .

:eyes:

[Ian_rd]

141. I was actually talking about the popular vote within the party

It's kind of a democratic thing. I can explain if you like.

[Seabiscuit]

216. No, you were talking about both, and both are at this point irrelevant

because this race is going to the convention, and is not going to be decided either by popular votes or pledged delegate counts.

So why are you calling for Hillary to quit the race? It makes absolutely no sense. More b.s. Obamanoid propaganda. That's why.

[Ian_rd]

256. Just come out and say it, Seabiscuit

"I want Hillary to subvert the will of Democratic Party voters by securing the nomination with super-delegates." Now, was that so hard?

[OzarkDem]

21. Same w/ Obama

What's your point? Its a tie right now.

[madmunchie]

29. No a tie is when the number on one side is EQUAL to the other side

Obama has MORE delegates, state wins...than does HRC. Spinning the meaning of tie is really reaching.

[VotesForWomen]

32. doesn't matter; he can not win unless hill drops out. no wonder you're so anxious for her to drop ou

out.

[madmunchie]

37. Where did I say she should drop out???

She is behind PERIOD. A loss only has to stem from one point/goal behind the opponent - HRC is losing in every way that really counts, too bad sore losers are just that SORE LOSERS. The only way that HRC was ever viable in this race was because her last name was CLINTON and she rode quite a ways on Bills coattails. Say what you want but, I would bet ANYTHING on that fact.

[sendero]

143. Exactly..

... her "accomplishments" are a joke. She is a thoroughly UNDISTINGUISHED senator. If her name wasn't Clinton, she'd be a nobody.

No wonder she "stood by her man".

[Ken Burch]

43. And the PARTY can't win unless HRC drops out.

She's the unpopular unelectable one. There's no good reason to keep fighting for the less popular, less progressive candidate.

[HughMoran]

86. Bullshit - that's your opinion and it's worth no more than any other

You're blanket statements make your viewpoint worthless.

[Ken Burch]

103. If she's worse in the polls against McCain now, she's always GOING

to be worse against McCain.

The less electable candidate never becomes more electable.

Anyway, you've never offered a good reason why HRC, even though the people of the party clearly don't want her, should be imposed.

Nor have you or anyone else who backs the unpopular conservative candidate offered a good reason for why you STILL feel entitled to act like she is so inherently superior that you and she are entitled to demand that the candidate who leads you in delegates must be cast aside.

You just haven't made your case.

But then, YOU don't, Hugh.

With you, it's just insults.

[VotesForWomen]

129. meaningless. the two candidates haven't even faced each other yet. you are

dreaming if you think those polls have any connection whatsoever with reality. you are in for a big shock if and when obama gets the nomination.

[MaraJade]

108. And WHO in the worlds do you think the Hillary people will vote for. ..

Oops!

Your arrogance is slipping!

:eyes:

[Spider Jerusalem]

111. The Democrat?

Unless they really want President McCain, that is.

[VotesForWomen]

128. well, i suppose that is a matter of opinion. nt

[PseudoIntellect]

45. You're right; it's a tie. 1589 is, in fact, equal to 1470.

[SoCalDem]

54. It's the new math

:)

[L0oniX]

58. Ahh ...gotta luv that fuzzy math.

[L0oniX]

55. Let me guess ...you flunked math in school?

Obama is ahead in total popular votes and in delegates by 149.

[Turn CO Blue]

23. It's class warfare in the Dem party! Elites vs popular activism. nt/

[northzax]

24. let me say this very slowly

Barack Obama cannot get to 2025 delegates without a clean sweep, 100% votes (which, given early voting in Pennsylvania is impossible.)

Obama cannot win enough delegates in elections. He needs superdelegates just as she does. So, since Obama can't win without superdelegates, where's your call for him to quit?

[FogerRox]

39. Excuse me...

Obama has more

1)Senators endorsing him.

2)Governors endorsing him.

3)Votes.

4)Delegates.

5)Superdelegates.

6) State wins.


Yes, neither candidate is going to earn enough pledged delegates (2025) to clinch. But the road for Obama is a far less steeper climb, than one Hillary faces.

[AZ Criminal JD]

75. Excuse me...

You are wrong in at least two of your assertions. Clinton has more superdelegates 247-211. More people have voted for Clinton 13,620,611 than for Obama 13,601,217. That includes MI and FL which of course Obamaites want to disenfranchise. I don't know if you re wrong on the endorsements or not. You provided no information.

[ExPatLeftist]

139. Nice revisionist history

"...MI and FL which of course Obamaites want to disenfranchise..."

You mean the Michigan and Florida where Obama did not campaign (was not even on the ballot in MI) because the party as a whole agreed they would not be counted?

Or do you mean the MI and FL that were removed of delegate seatings in a document signed by Hillary Clinton?

So what is the spin there, she disenfranchised those voters before she enfranchised them???

Obama (and "Obamites") is/are not trying to disenfranchise anyone. They are following the rules agreed to by the candidates and SIGNED by Clinton. Does integrity mean nothing to you?? I am sure Obama is open to having primaries or caucuses in both states. What he is not interested in is allowing hugely skewed votes to count after a signed agreement that they would not.

Spin away, though. But do not believe for a second that you are fooling anyone.

[GOTV]

165. MI & FL voters ARE disenfranchised, where's the evidence that Obama supporters want that....

... I've seen none. No one should have stolen the votes of MI & FL voters and I don't know on anyone that doesn't think they should be given a chance to vote in a proper election.

[cameozalaznick]

210. Why did Clinton sign the pledge re: FL and MI

And now decide to flip flop. Honestly, she's the only one pushing for this. If she had stuck to her origiinal agreement, this would be a non-issue. I think her plan all along was to say, "Oh sure, I'll make that promise" with her fingers crossed behind her back.

[RiverStone]

257. Obama was not even on the ballot in MI...

And Clinton's SD's have stated privately that there is no way in hell they will go against the will of the people. He already has a lock on the pledged delegates.

[northzax]

166. that may be

but people keep saying that Hillary can't get enough delegates without the superdelegates 'picking' her, and I want to point out that neither can Obama. just worth mentioning, I think.

[dchill]

97. Oooh right... Maybe he should just

take that vice-presidency slot now!

[northzax]

168. not my point

I think he would be an awful vice president, personally. VP's need to be detail people, organizational people who are willing to let someone else take all the credit and get all the PR. that's not Obama. I can't really see him chairing a task force behind closed doors, can you? Heck, the man can't be bothered to hold meetings of the senate committees he chairs.

i am just pointing out that when people say that there is no way Hillary can win enough pledged delegates to get to 2025, that the 'math' doesn't work, it should be taken into account that Obama can't get enough pledged delegates either.

[dchill]

221. No, your point is ...

that we should call for him to quit while he's ahead. Right?

[northzax]

255. no, not at all

if the call for Clinton to drop out is that she cannot get to 2025 without superdelegates, then you also need to note that Obama cannot get to 2025 without superdelegates either. I am not calling on anyone to drop out, I think this is good for the party, frankly, and if I am Obama, I want Hillary there non-stop, taking all the heat off of me. remember, once Hillary drops out, that spotlight goes right over to him, and the kleig lights can be blinding. the last time they hit him, he blinked

[cameozalaznick]

208. Why should the winner quit?

I think HRC would be doing everyone a favor to exit stage right. Clearly she's bringing down the party. The very fact that her supporters are so intransigent in the face of defeat is clear proof. This is not her time. She's dragging us through this soap opera the way her husband dragged us through all the scandals of the 90s. Granted they were up against a well-funded attack machine, but seeing them in action this time around makes me realize, you know it really does take two to tango.

My support for Obama was very soft when this campaign began. I really thought HRC would waltz away with it (oy, another dance metaphor -- whaddya expect, I'm a girl -- I'll let the sports analogies to the boys). And I was glad that Obama was stopped in New Hampshire. Not because I was necessarily supporting Clinton, but because I felt like he needed to prove himself a little more.

Well, he's proven himself. I'm convinced that he's ready. He has the judgment, brains and temperament to be a good president, possibly a great one. Who knows. But I do know that I do not want another Clinton presidency. Bill on the stump this primary season is a reminder of everything I disliked about his time in office. Sure, there were good times, but you know, he could have spared us some of the really bad times. Then maybe Gore would have been president. But just as voters in 2000 were ready to turn the page, so are we again. I really think independents will be with us in the Fall if we can just stop all the internecine fighting.

I really think, for the good of everyone, if Hillary is behind after Pennsylvania, she should suspend and not take this all the way to the convention. Let the party go into healing mode and allow Obama some time to persuade disaffected Hillary supporters. I know he can do it. I really don't know if she can. There are a lot of hard feelings about the way her campaign has been run. Then she can become Senate majority leader and become a Grande Dame of the Democratic Party. She could do a lot of good at that level. I just don't think it's in the cards for her to be President. I really don't. And that's not the way I felt in November. I really thought it was hers to lose. Unfortunately, IMO, she's done just that

[TheZug]

25. If Obama has more elected delegates & votes, but HRC gets the nomination, I won't for her.

No way.

http://iwillwalkaway.blogspot.com

[L0oniX]

60. I totally agree with that. I won't vote for a conniving power hungry cheater.

[PinkTiger]

81. Obama is the spoiler.

He is selfish and a brat. It is NOT his turn. He needs to go grow up and come back later.

[PatGund]

98. The attitude from Sen. Clinton that it's *her turn*.....

.....is one of the main reasons I can't support her.

[PinkTiger]

112. Then I guess it's your problem. nt.

[PatGund]

114. Not just mine...

Not by a long shot.

She wasn't my first choice. And I even looked at her again when Wes Clark endorsed her.

I'm a proud Wes Clark democrat. And I cannot bring myself to support Sen. Clinton. And nothing she has done in the last few months has done anything but lower my opinion of her.

[flyinzamboni]

147. Dibs on 2024!

I am calling that its my turn in 2024. Since no one else has called dibs, it will be my turn then!!

Flyinzamboni for President in 2024!!!

[crispini]

150. You have GOT to be kidding me.

"Not his turn"? :puke: How self-righteous and entitled.

[JAbuchan08]

152. Oh, okay, now instead of elections we have "turns"

I should be eligible to run in 2028. Dibs!

[knixphan]

241. dibs after you!

[nxylas]

172. According to you in 2006...

...it's the turn of "a candidate (who) will appear, seemingly out of nowhere, for the Democrats to run for president. It will be a man -- sorry, folks. This person will be absolutely unbeatable in the primaries, and he will get the nod. He is from a Western state. It is not that he is not known, it is just that he is not seen as a possible front runner at the moment. He will be soundly re-elected in November for the seat he now holds, and will shortly thereafter announce he is starting an exploratory committee to consider a run for the White House."

[cameozalaznick]

211. After being subjected to the 3 (or more) faces of Hillary...

I think she's the one that could use a little growth. Obama has been calm, even-tempered. He's answer her attacks and has disagreed without being disagreeable. Who's the childish one again?

[L0oniX]

219. Selfish??? Hillarat always says "I" and Obama always says "we".

"NOT his turn"??? This is not a game where we take turns. IMO you are only saying this crap because you are an immature woman .:wtf:

[George II]

270. If anyone feels it's his/her "turn", it's Clinton

How can Obama be the spoiler if he's getting more votes and more committed delegates? NADER, PEROT, ANDERSON were "spoilers". Check a dictionary.

[emilyg]

76. Then don't.

[txaslftist]

27. It's more personal than that.

Hillary isn't thinking in terms of "the elite" or "established power" or any of that. She's thinking of HILLARY. It's HER TURN, dammit, and no uppity newcomer is going to prevent her from getting into the White House, no matter that he's better organized, more of a Democrat, less compromised or getting more votes.

IT'S HER TURN. And if she can't win, she'll make damn sure that no Democrat can. And if that threat doesn't make you overturn the will of the voters and nominate her in a brokered convention, then she'll take her voters and give them to McCain.

Little does she grasp that "her voters" are slipping through her fingers.

[Quixote1818]

30. Right on the money! nt

[VotesForWomen]

31. you forgot to mention that O can not win, unless hill drops out. no wonder you want her to drop out

well hey, if O drops out, then hill can win, so why doesn't he just drop out already?

[Ken Burch]

70. Obama has more delegates. How can you say he can't win?

Also, the fact that he runs better against McCain in every poll disproves your arguement.

Why are you fighting for the conservative Beltway hirearchy?

[MaraJade]

109. Because he CAN'T, period.

Good Luck in the GE when the Hillary people DEFECT!

:eyes:

[MadHound]

140. What, going to take your ball and go home?

Going to stay home on election day and pitch a fit? What the hell kind of Democrat are you then? Not much it sounds like, more like a small child having a temper tantrum because their Mommy won't give them a cookie. Either that or just another 'Pug in Dem's clothing:eyes:

[knixphan]

242. chances I'll gladly take.

[Sick_of_Rethuggery]

177. Just plain stupid.

The 2025 simply means that no other person has a chance any more of winning.

At the end of the game, a plurality short of that, does not mean that the person with the larger number of delegates has not won. Unless Hillary gets 65%+ in the remaining primaries/caucuses, she has no chance of having more delegates than Obama, which means Obama will have a plurality of the delegates at the end of this 3-ring circus she is running and therefore will have won the primaries/caucuses.

If you don't understand that simple ("one vote majority" principle, as Jefferson said) rule, why was Bill legit as POTUS? (He never won 50%+1).

[Laelth]

33. Hear, hear. I am afraid you're right.

I argued something similar here:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Laelth/22

This is sad, indeed. May the will of the people prevail.

:dem:

-Laelth

[Tveil]

34. Well put

[NMMatt]

35. Exactly - well said. -nt

[DemVet]

36. Actually, who said she can't win?

She just may.

Obama may not have the required 2025 delegates to secure the nomination.

Hillary can then win...With superdelegates.

Completely legal.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

48. And completely unlikely.

[leftcoastie]

220. There is no stopping those same

super delegates to see the writing on the wall and put their support to the true Democratic principles by supporting Obama. Hillary is freaking alot of Dems out by her republican behavior. Any candidate that has many Democrats saying they won't vote (at all) has lost the party and contest.

[sandnsea]

38. Precisely n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

40. "Elite control of government vs. popular democracy"

You got it.

To bad more Clinton supporters don't see it.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/12/obama_wideweb__470x418,0.jpg

[Froward69]

41. Damn it hurts

to be told so bluntly. SHE MUST BE STOPPED. Democracy Must rule the day.

[MagsDem]

42. He's the threat of inexperience and incompetence, like we have

... had for the past 8 yrs. Why should she quit when it's neck and neck, and neither can win without the super delegates?

[cameozalaznick]

213. And what's her experience again?

[Cha]

44. Now we gettin' it. Doesn't take a

brickwall to fall on our collective head.

We may have that Revolution yet.

[L0oniX]

51. The revolution will not be televised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTCQSk2l8bc

Enjoy

[Cha]

57. Thank Y0u L0onix..

THE REVOLUTION WILL BE LIVE, BROTHER!

[FogerRox]

267. The revolution is live and in my heart, I am a revolutionary.

[BrklynGreenDog]

47. I'm confused ...

The person with 13 million 500 thousand votes is the populist while the one with 13 million 300 thousand is the elitist right? Or is it the one in Italian leather loafers constantly crowing about the oodles of money coming their way? Wait, its the Ivy League lawyer right?

And the evil, self serving one is the one who's campaigning hard, right? Man, nothing ticks me off more than someone publicly advocating their positions.

I'm glad we have someone who really appreciates the greatness of Ronald Reagan to rally behind (below?). I and a third of the population in the Ohio valley sure won't forget, and really appreciate that down to earth wisdom.

sorry, have to stop typing... kool-aid making fingers numb...

[Hoof Hearted]

49. I get it now. I understand. Obama will not concede eventhough he can't win.

[L0oniX]

62. That's right. If you say enough times it'll come true......NOT!

:evilfrown:

[Ken Burch]

69. Obama's solidly ahead in delegates and his lead will sharply increase tomorrow night.

It's HRC who has the burden of withdrawing for the greater good. He's more popular and more electable.

[Hoof Hearted]

73. But he cant get enought to win BY THE RULES. And y'all care so much about the rules, right?

[Ken Burch]

78. Yes he can, if the supers do the right thing and back him as the popular choice.

And logically, if he can't win, there's no reason to think that she, with fewer delegates, can.

Face it, HRC does NOT have an inherently superior claim to the nomination. And face it, there's nothing she does have that's worth crushing the enthusiasm of millions of voters across the country.

She's ok. She'd be an acceptable president, but she ain't no Susan B. Anthony, Bella Abzug or Joan of Arc.

[PatGund]

96. That's okay.....

Neither can Sen. Clinton.

[Ian_rd]

144. Some care most about rules, while others care most about votes. nt.

[ExtraGriz]

121. obama might get +1 delegate more than hillary in mississippi

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=861

[SoCalDem]

53. Her husband cheated on her, and she stood by him.. It's her consolation prize

and how dare Obama try to take it away from her.. She even picked out a new home-state(#5?) & bought a house , so she could be senator & get ready for the coronation..

She wants it and she wants it BAD, so look out..

[L0oniX]

65. Maybe if she had done more than stand by him he may not have strayed.

:evilgrin:

[SoCalDem]

68. That's the thing.. some men will cheat, no matter HOW good they have it at home

:)

[MaraJade]

100. What the hell does this stupidity have to do with anything. ..

Sheesh!

Millions of women go back to cheating husbands. What makes Hillary any different?

Good Luck to you Obamaminions in the GE!

:eyes: :mad:

[SoCalDem]

104. the other ones don't parlay it into running for president?

They divorce him (or don't) and go on with their lives..

[MaraJade]

110. Need I say the "A" word yet again. . .

The bottom line is that Obamaites HATE the rest of us and don't give a tinker's damn about us.
Your arrogant disgregard is so disgusting. The more of this attitude you show, the more
disgusted certain people become.

Good Luck in the GE without us!

[SoCalDem]

118. Life's too short for hate.. I don't hate anyone

I just do not hold HRC in very high esteem and dislike IMMENSELY, the horrid campaign she is running.

I was once , MORE than willing to vote for her.. I did not even know WHO Obama was.. I liked Edwards, but I also liked all of our candidates.

The "A" word?

There are many words that start with "a"..

Here are a few I use frequently

achievement
acceptance
altruism

[knixphan]

243. no hate, just democracy.

[L0oniX]

217. I guess I am the exception. I won't cheat and I have it very good.

That makes it harder for me to accept that others would but then maybe they made the wrong choice for a wife and for the wrong reasons. :-)

[knixphan]

244. i'd say that the bigger problem

(off-topic, I know)...

...in our society is folks prematurely jumping into weddings. The whole dissatisfaction thing is simply the result of the initial hasty decision, in the cases I've observed...

[TBF]

56. Follow the money...

... and we will see who is bankrolling it all. Oh, that's right, can't release those tax returns since about 1980 or so. Will release them "someday" but not now. Gee, I wonder why not.

[Redstone]

59. Could you be more inarticulate?

Redstone

[AzDar]

61. Sounds about right.

:puke:

[salib]

63. Oh come on, she is fighting because she WANTS TO WIN

Big ego, big ambition, big motivation.

Nothing different than Barak.

Let's give up on this splitting of hairs about these two.

There are real differences, but not in terms of their desire to win, and willingness to go "all the way."

[sofa king]

107. I concur.

I don't know whether or not Mrs. Clinton is 1337 or not. But I do know that her husband enjoyed great success by hanging in there no matter how ugly it looked.

And right now, it doesn't look too bad for her. Her campaign is still drawing huge funds by most standards, and it has an experienced staff and a deep bench. We have a criminal madman in the White House who is practically guaranteed to fuck up something huge this summer, as he has every other summer of his Presidency, and that's going to change the issues in which people are interested. Obama is less experienced, playing a game where certain slips will put you straight out overnight. The Clintons know that anything can happen in an election year, but you can't win if you're not in the game.

So Mrs. Clinton is staying in the game.

Aside from the quite natural intra-party vitriol, which is pretty fun to watch here, the two Democratic candidates are probably doing each other a favor by running so close. One thing I particularly like is issue amplification. Taken separately, either one of them is talking louder and wider than John McCain, but since they are so politically similar, they've completely taken control of the political debate. The press isn't parroting Karl Rove's latest hate-triangulated red herring for the first time in ten years.

And for that, I'll happily thank the both of them.

[salib]

115. Yet, it is sad. It is also pathetic for our country.

So, the only ones surviving are those who want to win "no matter what." We need some people who really care, and while have an ego, are also bigger than that. Unfortunately, they have already been "eliminated" and we are left with pathos, at best.

Good luck to the remaining "front-runners." Time for us to get to work and make whoever wins live up to what little progressive and liberal policies they hinted at.

[sofa king]

268. Maybe we need a Presidential draft.

You know, pick the candidates from a pool of people who obviously don't want the job.

"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber." --Plato

[Name removed]

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[emilyg]

79. Your drift smells.

[Raine]

82. Yup

and she will do ANYTHING to keep another from getting it.

WELCOME to the DU! :hi:

[MaraJade]

101. Arrogance once again. . .

Arrogance, arrogance, arrogance!

You Obamaites keep on proving my point over and over again!

We won't be voting for him in the GE.

BTW, Good Luck with the GE WITHOUT US!

[Ian_rd]

146. Wow. How many times in one thread can you threaten to defect in November?

We get it: If Obama wins the nomination, Hillary Clinton's supporters will do what they can to ensure a McCain presidency. Yes, we understand your preference to McCain over Obama.

[pokercat999]

263. Even Hillary says she will vote for McCain (Obama is

not qualified to be Prez) although she thinks Obama would be fine for VP. What a joke, that's the real shame she has become a joke and a bad, no, make that shameful joke at that. She has gone from distingushed Senator and Stateswoman to conniving fishwife in less than a year.

[cooolandrew]

66. Yes, HRC thinks she is a monarchthat is what we are up against.Democracy don't work like that thankf

thankfully.

[HughMoran]

89. huh?

Show a single example of Hillary thinking she is a monarch.

[annie1]

67. Barack can't win either enough delegates either, when will he concende?

[knixphan]

246. when she passes him in those categories.

[madrchsod]

71. it`s the neo lberalism of the clinton and their friends

against the classic grass roots liberalism of the democratic party. the clintons never have trusted the people and i do not see them changing now.

[knixphan]

253. spot on.

[Name removed]

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[HughMoran]

84. better delete that

it's against the rules to wish harm to a candidate or other political figure

[PinkTiger]

85. I prefer to think that Obama will say something like,

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, and then people will realize he is not a wizard after all.

[HughMoran]

83. She can't lose either

This is the limitation of the thinking of many here - they refuse to acknowledge the fact that since Obama will very likely not be able to get the nomination on pledged delegates alone, that Hillary can and will and should fight for superdelegates at the convention as is her right. Why must she be seen as a lesser candidate?

[Ztarbod]

88. Hillary bows out

rather than releasing her tax returns she may just fold-up her campaign.

[MaraJade]

102. Oh brother. Need I say the "A" word again?

Good Luck with the GE without US. . .

You people DON'T GET IT. You are too blinded by your own arrogance
and vainglory.

(Why do I keep saying this. . . after all, I am dealing with teenagers
and callow youth not much older than my daughter. Suchlike ones don't get
anything until it's too late---grr!)

Good luck with the GE (without the Hillary supporters) anyway. See if you
can win anything at all without US!

:eyes:

[Politicalboi]

125. Well good luck without us

And believe me there are more of us who don't post here that will not vote for her.

[George II]

266. If that's the way "Hillary supporters" feel about the DEMOCRATIC PARTY nominee...

....then QUIT the party! Your post just indicates you're in it for Clinton, NOT for Democrats, and you're already acting like sore losers even before you all officially lose!

What will all you "Hillary supporters" do when Clinton endorses and supports Obama? Will you turn your backs not only on the DEMOCRATIC PARTY but your own preferred candidate too?

It's an attitude of "if I can't win I don't want to play at all".

[MaraJade]

91. WHICH dem voters are you talking about. . .?

Arrogance, arrogance, arrogance!

WHY in the worlds do Obama people think every dem voter is for him?

WHY in the worlds do they think that Hillary people will switch to Obama if
he's the nominee?


They Won't. Many are going to defect to the repukes or not vote at all if it's Obama.

Arrogance and hubris! This is what's going to destroy the Obama campaign. Their disdain
for Hillary supporters and their concerns will destroy them.

Good luck in the GE!

:eyes:

[HooptieWagon]

162. Pot. Kettle. Black.

How ironic a Clinton supporter calls Obama supporters arrogant, in a post filled with arrogance and hubris. Classic!! I'll even throw in an "8" for hypocrisy!

[Beacool]

93. Oh please, the melodrama!!!!!

Hillary is much more prepared than Obama to be president and she has a right to battle for every vote until the end. If Obama manages to win the nomination in the long run so be it. If some in the party don't like it, then it's too damn bad!!!

The arrogance of some of you people, compounded by that of your candidate, is why some of us would rather see anybody else in the WH but Obama.

[concerned canadian]

116. Hillary can only fool some of the people sometimes

until most of the people clue in to her motives for wanting to win the presidency and bring down Obama "at all costs".

I changed my mind and heart about her when she not only stood and applauded the passing of the vote to go to war, but

that she was smiling. And unless i was having a televised hallucination, Bill was standing

by her side applauding also, and smiling a little too brightly.

[knixphan]

248. yes.

Military-Industrial-Complex...

Big Hawk. Big smile.

[pnwmom]

117. Name one candidate who was this close at this point in the race and conceded

defeat. You can't, because the requirement of the supermajority and the existence of superdelegates changes all the calculations -- changes everything.

Historically speaking, she very well could win.

[grantcart]

120. screw it lets go all the way to puerto rico and see how much humiliation she

is able to create for herself.

Some people have to learn the hard way.

[HooptieWagon]

169. I guess that's her plan

maybe she's a masochist that digs public humiliation or something...

I was thinking she was trying to poison the well for the Dems so the way would be clear for her in 2012, but at the rate she's destroying her legacy, embarassing herself, and burning her bridges; she's almost gotten to where 4 years won't be enough to forgive and forget. If she stays in and attacks McCain primarily, I don't have a problem. But, in staying in to double-team Obama with McCain is unforgivable. I hope NY voters are paying atention, she really deserves to lose that Senate seat and have Bill's and hers graft funds dry up..

[Politicalboi]

123. Now we know why Bill cheated on her

It's all about meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[HooptieWagon]

164. LOL

[99th_Monkey]

124. Your post has the ring of truth --sadly for the Democratic Party, and for the whole Country

[Kurovski]

126. K&R. (nt)

[happygoluckytoyou]

127. PRECISION IS THE KEY----->

announced last night, Hillary's team suggested a Hillary/Obama ticket...


so.... let me understand.....


OBAMA is NOT experienced enough for the #1 SPOT
OBAMA is experienced enough for the #2 SPOT
NOBODY can be found who is better for the #2 SPOT

SO..... what we have left in this country is ONE PERSON ready to be president...
and only ONE OTHER PERSON ready to be vice-president

BUT SHOULD ANYTHING HAPPEN TO HER IN OFFICE.... the NOT READY GUY would take place

--------------this campaign is not going to be easy against McCain/Jeb

[depakid]

132. Could be- the "will" of the voters doesn't want either one

If that were so, then what?

[amborin]

133. why won't Obama concede?

he lost Ohio

he's lost most of the major dem states, the dem base

time for him to throw in the towel

[knixphan]

249. define 'major'.

[judasdisney]

136. She'll hurt fellow Dems, but won't attack Republicans.

Just like Harry, Nancy, and the rest of the DLC Fifth Column.

[Unca Jim]

137. Ugh! Fucking quit it!

The "I won't vote for X" bullshit has to stop. Whatever my opinions on who I'd like to see as nominee I have, it's my duty as an American to stop the Republicans from further destroying my country.

Whichever Democrat prevails will get my vote. The entire Supreme Court's balance is up for grabs you nihilistic dipshits! Who cares if your pet candidate doesn't get the nomination. Mine's long gone but I'll do whatever I can to stop the shredding of our Constitution and ruination of our country. Would you really rather just have an extended hissy fit and abstain when your nation needs you?

If we all feel that way I guess we deserve what we get.

[beezlebum]

175. . self delete.

[Perry Logan]

138. Most of the Hillary-bashers would flunk a simple quiz on Hillary's record.

[WDIM]

142. Exactly right!

I hope more people keep getting it as well.

[eShirl]

145. bingo

she'll take the whole party down with her if she can't claw her way to the nomination

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

148. Wooohooo, Yay, Well Said, Kudos! Yippee! You Rock! Awesome Post! Woot Woot! Hooray!!! Wow!!!!!

See? I can be a non-thinking obamite too! I mean, it's so easy!!!!!

[eShirl]

149. yippy dippy

[Scurrilous]

151. K & R

:thumbsup:

[catgirl]

154. She'd choose to destroy the party over losing.

Kick

[Apollo11]

155. Hillary is in it to win it.

This race is not over yet.

The superdelegates will have to decide who should be the nominee, taking all the primary, caucus and poll results and both sides' talking points into account.

[AllexxisF1]

159. No

The super delegates will assist choosing a nominee based on the will of the majority of voters. They should NOT supersede the publics decision because if they do ....THAN WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING PRIMARY\CAUCUS ELECTIONS!

Moreover I am sick to death about hearing this cry baby bullshit about people complaining about caucus's. If you want to be President you have to win Caucuses and Hillary knows that....every Presidential candidate knows that. But Hillary supporters act like it was some new institution that popped out of nowhere and sprung on the electorate just this year to screw her chances to be President.


She can't win.


She should not win after her behavior during these elections.


She should concede and suck it up.

[dmallind]

171. Not true.

The superdelegates have to do absolutely nothing "based on the will of the majority of voters". They don't "assist" in anything. What would the point of superdelegates be if they had to, or were even ethically expected to, split the same way as the pledged delegates or all pick the winner? The whole damn point of putting them there in the first place was to balance party support and public support, and they vote just like any other delegate - not after them or as a rubber stammp. The rules are very simple - they vote for whomever they choose. That what they are there FOR. If it weren't there would be no point in having them (your own question, which does not work the way you asked it since there are more pledged delegates than superdelegates. The pledged delegates are there to reflect the will of some subset of the people in their districts - although since it's possible to lose thge popular vote handily and tie or even gain in delegates in some states I wouldn't be too keen to hold up pledeged delegates as the paragon of democracy). The superdelegates are there to reflect the will of people who have been chosen to represent the party that is selecting the nominee. They all vote at once, and the winner is the one who gets 2025 of them to do so. This silly idea that superdelegates are a separate, sequential rubber stamp something like the House of Lords is way off base.

[George II]

156. I've been supporting Obama for months, but the whole premise of this post is...

....overly presumptuous and entirely unnecessary. What purpose does it serve? Is there fact behind the "theories" expressed in it?

I doubt it.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

157. Hillary's hanging in long enough for the tides to change...

...she's waiting for Obama to trip up. This way the world will swallow her "being elected". If she's not next in line to be our president, McCain is. ...I can't believe we'll have an honest election. I can't wait until November is over with!

If Obama is our nominee and gets elected, it will restore my faith in elections and our democracy!!

[Bentcorner]

160. Does Obama stand a chance of winning any of the states he's won in the primaries

in the general election verses McCain? When I look at the states Obama has won, I see a lot of red.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

161. she staying in because she WON with REAL Democrat votes&Obama won with 1time crossover Rethug votes

Obama can NOT win in the GE with those Rethug votes

[HooptieWagon]

163. Question

Are you referring to the "one time rethug voters" that are willing to stand before friends and neighbors at caucuses and show their support of Obama, or the ones that vote for Hillary in a primary b/c Rush and Hannity told them to, but won't go to a caucus for her and show their support publicly?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

167. fact in TX 58% of "registered Rethugs voted for Obama...54% of "registered" Democrats for Clinton

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

[HooptieWagon]

170. No link, so I assume that's a "Clinton fact"

They're about as accurate as "Clinton math"...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

181. there is a link....

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

In Texas, Hillary Clinton leads Barack Obama among self-described Democrats 54% to 43% and Obama leads Clinton among self-described independents and Republicans 58% to 39%. Obama leads Clinton among men 59% to 37% (45% of likely Democratic primary voters), and Clinton leads Obama among women 60% to 38%.

Clinton leads Obama among white voters 58% to 39% (50% of likely Democratic primary voters), Obama leads Clinton among African American voters 84% to 14% (22% of likely Democratic primary voters), and Clinton leads among Hispanic voters 65% to 33% (28% of likely Democratic primary voters).

Obama leads among voters under 50 54% to 43% (59% of likely Democratic primary voters) and Clinton leads among voters over 50 60% to 37%.

Obama leads Clinton 52% to 47% among early voters (34% of likely Democratic primary voters), while Clinton leads Obama 52% to 45% among in-person voters.

[theredpen]

183. Neat, you embarassed yourself with your link

News Flash: that data is from March 3rd. The primary and first round of caucusing were held on March 4th. That poll does not say how anybody voted.

Also, it's doesn't say "Rethugs" is says "self-described independents and Republicans."

Bottom line: your data does not say what you say it says. Here's a suggestion: next time, don't just look at the numbers. Read that "text" that surrounds them.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

187. CNN did....Wolf stated the fact that Obama got 58% of Republican votes & Clinton got 67% of Dem vote

[theredpen]

188. Then why don't you link to THAT?

Wolf Blitzer says a lot of things. Frankly, I don't believe he said this, particularly since you showed the numbers coming off ARG's site.

You have data, let's see it. Otherwise, STFU — you're making a fool out of yourself.

[HooptieWagon]

189. Question

Do you wipe after posting your "facts"?

[Patriot Abroad]

178. Wasn't Rush getting everyone to vote for Hill in Texas?

This goes both ways . . .

[ElsewheresDaughter]

180. Fox News & Denis Miller Radio Show was telling ALL Texas Republican to vote for Obama

[theredpen]

184. Fox News didn't tell anyone how to vote

And no one listens to Dennis Miller.

Rush Limbaugh told his listeners to vote for Clinton. That's a fact. I know two rethugs who voted for Clinton "just to mess up the primaries." That's anecdotal, but it's more than you've got — which so far has been fake and misinterpreted statistics.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

194. video here.............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_jnhsyqg0

and more discussion on Rethugs voting for Obama

Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama
msnbc ^ | 2/28/08

Posted on 02/28/2008 8:21:07 PM PST by LouAvul

One of Sen. Barack Obama’s surest applause lines comes about halfway into his standard stump speech. It goes like this:

“They whisper to me. They say, ‘Barack, I’m a Republican, but I support you.’ And I say, ‘Thank you. Why are we whispering?’”

If the latest polling data are to be believed, those Republicans aren’t whispering in Texas, where 195 of the 228 delegates the state will send to the Democratic National Convention will be chosen in a primary and caucuses Tuesday.

As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, the polls show.

“I ran for Republican precinct chair. I went to the Republican state convention,” said one of them, Donald Rau of Austin, who has already voted in early balloting. “In this election, I voted for Barack Obama.”

GOP support ‘no longer surprising’ A poll released this week by SurveyUSA of Verona, N.J., indicated that registered Republicans would make up 9 percent of Democratic primary voters next week. Michael Baselice, head of Baselice and Associates, a Texas polling firm, said that was in line with what his company was finding.

A bloc that large could make a significant difference for Obama, who holds a large lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York among Texas Republicans, especially in a close race. Polls this week were showing a dead heat in Texas as Obama began pulling even with Clinton.

To: LouAvul
We don't like the Clintons.

They're scum.

Pretty simple answer.
2 posted on 02/28/2008 8:22:40 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LouAvul

Just Say No to Hillary!

4 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:13 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: LouAvul

although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

5 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:25 PM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: LouAvul

What would be interesting is the percentage who plan to stab their country . . . I mean vote for Obama in the general election.

6 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:44 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: LouAvul

I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system. My voter registration card is marked “Republican” and I can’t vote in the DemocRAT primary election. I voted before early voting as I left on a business trip that last beyond election day. I had to tell the election officials my party affiliation before they would send me an absentee ballot. I don’t see how Texas can “cross over” - we don’t have an open primary like several of the earlier states.

7 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:12 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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Much as I dread hillary, I’m not sure if this is the smart thing to do.

8 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LdSentinal

It’ll be easier to take out Obama in the general? Get the wicked witch out of the race as FAST as possible?

9 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: LouAvul

Stupid Chris Matthews probably thinks those Republicans will stick with Obama in the general election.

10 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:30 PM PST by counterpunch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs )
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To: LouAvul

Yea...Republicans are voting for Barak in the primary...but they won’t in the general...does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please.

11 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:32 PM PST by Hildy (You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep cause reality is finally better than your dreams)
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To: LouAvul
Not I. I would not be able to overcome the sense of sheer revulsion for voting for Hillary or Obama even in a primary. I’d rather perform an apdendecomy on myself with a snail fork.
12 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: LouAvul
As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama...

Maybe they don't favor "He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned" as much as they despise "She Whose Last Name Must Not Be Spoken".
13 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:55 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: LouAvul

I think more will cross over to vote for Hillary so that Obama does not win in Texas. It will be easier to defeat Senator Clinton in the general election, believe me!

14 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: LouAvul

Faced with McCain? I’d take Hillary too. :D

15 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: kingattax
is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

Personally, I think it's pretty lame.
16 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:36 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: LouAvul

Lots of Democrats won’t vote for a black man, that’s why.

17 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: LouAvul

Crazy. It will be tougher to bit Obama than Hillary. I plan on voting for Hillary (in the primary only, OK). I want to see the Democratic party divided and, while a Hillary as Commander in Chief is scary, Obama as Commander in Chief is a nightmare.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:53 PM PST by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: kingattax
"although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?"

Oh, I don't know, why don't you ask the democrats and independents in the early primaries that helped give us McCain? Personally, I don't think open primaries are a good idea. Ours was closed in Louisiana.
19 posted on 02/28/2008 8:27:54 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Salvation

Yep.

20 posted on 02/28/2008 8:28:04 PM PST by rintense (You don't advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. Piss off McCain and Huck!)
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To: LouAvul
For whatever reason, Baselice said, the movement toward Obama should be a warning to Republicans.

“Look, if Texas is a problem for Republicans, then it’s a disaster for the rest of the country,” he said.

Alex Johnson, minor league propagandist at MSNBC.

Pathetic liar should be embarrassed to cash his check, the real story is the McCain Democrats.
21 posted on 02/28/2008 8:28:44 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: LdSentinal

LOL!

22 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:06 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: Hildy

“but they won’t in the general...does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please.”

The media is intoxicated with Obama, so yes, they are stupid enought to think that Republicans would vote for him.

23 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:23 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: LouAvul
Huh? Maybe some FR pundit can explain this strategy.

Free Republic was created to expose Bill and Hillary Clinton and their White Water connections. Hillary Clinton must NEVER be allowed to become President!

So, why would this tactic be difficult to understand?
24 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:30 PM PST by Hunble
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To: RushingWater

He, Obama, won’t be elected if he is the nominee. Too many Democrats, Asian, Hispanic, and deep South Dems, won’t vote for a black man. I’m not the only one who has had liberals tell me - “no way will I vote for Obama!”

25 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:34 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

>> I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system.

I live in Texas. We have an OPEN primary system. If you have not voted yet this election cycle, you are free to choose a Dem or a Republican ballot.

26 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org ))
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To: LouAvul

Oh, and tell our Republican congressmen to stop voting in favor of laws like the VAWA for the likes of Hillary.

27 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:46 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: LouAvul
As a born and bred Texan... I don’t need MSNBC or any other Marxist-Inbred-Democrat toe-licker telling me what is going to happen in Texas!

When the RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD... Texas is voting REPUBLICAN! PURE RED! Baaaaaaaaaaaaby!
28 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:56 PM PST by avacado
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
Get the wicked witch out of the race as FAST as possible?
29 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:15 PM PST by Hunble
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To: kingattax
although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

Not if I was to have my way, especially for the GOP. As far as the Dems are concerned, I could not care less.

This practice is why we have McAmnesty as the presumptive nominee of the GOP.
30 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: LouAvul

If I lived in Ohio nd Texas I would vote for Obama. A chance to get rid (for 4 years atleast) a uniqely evil person in Hillary Clinton.

31 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: counterpunch

Well the other day you could tell from how many people voted and what per centage were Democrat vs Republican, that there have been MANY MANY crossover voters. When four times more Democrats supposedly voted, you know a lot of Republicans crossed over. A friend of mine told me about this a long time ago. Crossover voting. When you know you can’t change your candidate, you crossover and screw the other side. Since we are STUCK with McCain, we want to get the crappiest candidate on the other side. And Obama is an empty suit. He has pudding for brains.

32 posted on 02/28/2008 8:31:41 PM PST by buffyt (I was not a McCain supporter, but the more I learn about Obama, the better McCain looks!)
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To: indcons
Buffyt just said it best:

When you know you can’t change your candidate, you crossover and screw the other side.
38 posted on 02/28/2008 8:33:44 PM PST by H

To: LouAvul

There is a certain logic to this. They want to prevent a second Clinton Presidency, so they’re voting in Democratic primaries. And their support for Obama in primaries doesn’t mean they’ll support him in the general election.

42 posted on 02/28/2008 8:35:44 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; LouAvul
I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system. My voter registration card is marked “Republican” and I can’t vote in the DemocRAT primary election.

In which county do you live. I think someone was pulling your leg. Texas has no party registration. If an election official actually said that, report that person the the Texas Secretary of State.

http://www.sos.state.tx.us /

You can vote in any primary you want. When you vote in a primary, your registration card will be stamped with the name of the party in whose primary you voted, and the county database will be updated indicate the party primary in which you participated. If you vote in the Republican primary you won't be allowed to participate in the Democrat runoffs and vice versa. If you are a candidate for office, you must only vote in your party's primary. Also, if you vote in any partisan primary, you can't give a valid signature for a third party candidate to get onto the general election ballot.
43 posted on 02/28/2008 8:36:43 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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[theredpen]

222. Wow, a video of Dick Morris attacking the Clintons and being completely wrong

This proves that Dick Morris is an idiot.

"GOP support ‘no longer surprising’ A poll released this week by SurveyUSA of Verona, N.J., indicated that registered Republicans would make up 9 percent of Democratic primary voters next week."

What happened to "58% of registered Republicans"?

The Freepers couldn't even get their favorite candidates (Tom Tancredo and Fred Thompson) to bump the electoral meter. Furthermore, did you actually read any of this? Remember when I suggested you read stuff before you posted it? It's still a good idea.

"If I lived in Ohio and Texas I would vote for Obama. A chance to get rid (for 4 years atleast) a uniqely evil person in Hillary Clinton."

Oh yeah, there's a Freeper who's going to vote for Obama in Texas — NOT!

More:

"What would be interesting is the percentage who plan to stab their country . . . I mean vote for Obama in the general election."

"Much as I dread hillary, I’m not sure if this is the smart thing to do."

"does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please."

"yes, they are stupid enought to think that Republicans would vote for him."

Again, you've embarrassed yourself with your own citations.

[skater314159]

233. FIRST OF THREE CONSECUTIVE SPAM POSTS, nt

[redqueen]

186. That's the first I've heard of that.

Where'd that come from?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

195. video and freeps telling the same................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_jnhsyqg0

freepers board.

Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama
msnbc ^ | 2/28/08

Posted on 02/28/2008 8:21:07 PM PST by LouAvul

One of Sen. Barack Obama’s surest applause lines comes about halfway into his standard stump speech. It goes like this:

“They whisper to me. They say, ‘Barack, I’m a Republican, but I support you.’ And I say, ‘Thank you. Why are we whispering?’”

If the latest polling data are to be believed, those Republicans aren’t whispering in Texas, where 195 of the 228 delegates the state will send to the Democratic National Convention will be chosen in a primary and caucuses Tuesday.

As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, the polls show.

“I ran for Republican precinct chair. I went to the Republican state convention,” said one of them, Donald Rau of Austin, who has already voted in early balloting. “In this election, I voted for Barack Obama.”

GOP support ‘no longer surprising’ A poll released this week by SurveyUSA of Verona, N.J., indicated that registered Republicans would make up 9 percent of Democratic primary voters next week. Michael Baselice, head of Baselice and Associates, a Texas polling firm, said that was in line with what his company was finding.

A bloc that large could make a significant difference for Obama, who holds a large lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York among Texas Republicans, especially in a close race. Polls this week were showing a dead heat in Texas as Obama began pulling even with Clinton.

To: LouAvul
We don't like the Clintons.

They're scum.

Pretty simple answer.
2 posted on 02/28/2008 8:22:40 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LouAvul

Just Say No to Hillary!

4 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:13 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: LouAvul

although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

5 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:25 PM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: LouAvul

What would be interesting is the percentage who plan to stab their country . . . I mean vote for Obama in the general election.

6 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:44 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: LouAvul

I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system. My voter registration card is marked “Republican” and I can’t vote in the DemocRAT primary election. I voted before early voting as I left on a business trip that last beyond election day. I had to tell the election officials my party affiliation before they would send me an absentee ballot. I don’t see how Texas can “cross over” - we don’t have an open primary like several of the earlier states.

7 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:12 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: LouAvul

Much as I dread hillary, I’m not sure if this is the smart thing to do.

8 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LdSentinal

It’ll be easier to take out Obama in the general? Get the wicked witch out of the race as FAST as possible?

9 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: LouAvul

Stupid Chris Matthews probably thinks those Republicans will stick with Obama in the general election.

10 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:30 PM PST by counterpunch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs )
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To: LouAvul

Yea...Republicans are voting for Barak in the primary...but they won’t in the general...does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please.

11 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:32 PM PST by Hildy (You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep cause reality is finally better than your dreams)
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To: LouAvul
Not I. I would not be able to overcome the sense of sheer revulsion for voting for Hillary or Obama even in a primary. I’d rather perform an apdendecomy on myself with a snail fork.
12 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: LouAvul
As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama...

Maybe they don't favor "He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned" as much as they despise "She Whose Last Name Must Not Be Spoken".
13 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:55 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: LouAvul

I think more will cross over to vote for Hillary so that Obama does not win in Texas. It will be easier to defeat Senator Clinton in the general election, believe me!

14 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: LouAvul

Faced with McCain? I’d take Hillary too. :D

15 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: kingattax
is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

Personally, I think it's pretty lame.
16 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:36 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: LouAvul

Lots of Democrats won’t vote for a black man, that’s why.

17 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: LouAvul

Crazy. It will be tougher to bit Obama than Hillary. I plan on voting for Hillary (in the primary only, OK). I want to see the Democratic party divided and, while a Hillary as Commander in Chief is scary, Obama as Commander in Chief is a nightmare.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:53 PM PST by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: kingattax
"although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?"

Oh, I don't know, why don't you ask the democrats and independents in the early primaries that helped give us McCain? Personally, I don't think open primaries are a good idea. Ours was closed in Louisiana.
19 posted on 02/28/2008 8:27:54 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Salvation

Yep.

20 posted on 02/28/2008 8:28:04 PM PST by rintense (You don't advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. Piss off McCain and Huck!)
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To: LouAvul
For whatever reason, Baselice said, the movement toward Obama should be a warning to Republicans.

“Look, if Texas is a problem for Republicans, then it’s a disaster for the rest of the country,” he said.

Alex Johnson, minor league propagandist at MSNBC.

Pathetic liar should be embarrassed to cash his check, the real story is the McCain Democrats.
21 posted on 02/28/2008 8:28:44 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: LdSentinal

LOL!

22 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:06 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: Hildy

“but they won’t in the general...does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please.”

The media is intoxicated with Obama, so yes, they are stupid enought to think that Republicans would vote for him.

23 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:23 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: LouAvul
Huh? Maybe some FR pundit can explain this strategy.

Free Republic was created to expose Bill and Hillary Clinton and their White Water connections. Hillary Clinton must NEVER be allowed to become President!

So, why would this tactic be difficult to understand?
24 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:30 PM PST by Hunble
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To: RushingWater

He, Obama, won’t be elected if he is the nominee. Too many Democrats, Asian, Hispanic, and deep South Dems, won’t vote for a black man. I’m not the only one who has had liberals tell me - “no way will I vote for Obama!”

25 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:34 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

>> I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system.

I live in Texas. We have an OPEN primary system. If you have not voted yet this election cycle, you are free to choose a Dem or a Republican ballot.

26 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org ))
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To: LouAvul

Oh, and tell our Republican congressmen to stop voting in favor of laws like the VAWA for the likes of Hillary.

27 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:46 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: LouAvul
As a born and bred Texan... I don’t need MSNBC or any other Marxist-Inbred-Democrat toe-licker telling me what is going to happen in Texas!

When the RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD... Texas is voting REPUBLICAN! PURE RED! Baaaaaaaaaaaaby!
28 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:56 PM PST by avacado
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
Get the wicked witch out of the race as FAST as possible?
29 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:15 PM PST by Hunble
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To: kingattax
although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

Not if I was to have my way, especially for the GOP. As far as the Dems are concerned, I could not care less.

This practice is why we have McAmnesty as the presumptive nominee of the GOP.
30 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: LouAvul

If I lived in Ohio nd Texas I would vote for Obama. A chance to get rid (for 4 years atleast) a uniqely evil person in Hillary Clinton.

31 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: counterpunch

Well the other day you could tell from how many people voted and what per centage were Democrat vs Republican, that there have been MANY MANY crossover voters. When four times more Democrats supposedly voted, you know a lot of Republicans crossed over. A friend of mine told me about this a long time ago. Crossover voting. When you know you can’t change your candidate, you crossover and screw the other side. Since we are STUCK with McCain, we want to get the crappiest candidate on the other side. And Obama is an empty suit. He has pudding for brains.

32 posted on 02/28/2008 8:31:41 PM PST by buffyt (I was not a McCain supporter, but the more I learn about Obama, the better McCain looks!)
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To: indcons
Buffyt just said it best:

When you know you can’t change your candidate, you crossover and screw the other side.
38 posted on 02/28/2008 8:33:44 PM PST by H

To: LouAvul

There is a certain logic to this. They want to prevent a second Clinton Presidency, so they’re voting in Democratic primaries. And their support for Obama in primaries doesn’t mean they’ll support him in the general election.

42 posted on 02/28/2008 8:35:44 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; LouAvul
I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system. My voter registration card is marked “Republican” and I can’t vote in the DemocRAT primary election.

In which county do you live. I think someone was pulling your leg. Texas has no party registration. If an election official actually said that, report that person the the Texas Secretary of State.

http://www.sos.state.tx.us /

You can vote in any primary you want. When you vote in a primary, your registration card will be stamped with the name of the party in whose primary you voted, and the county database will be updated indicate the party primary in which you participated. If you vote in the Republican primary you won't be allowed to participate in the Democrat runoffs and vice versa. If you are a candidate for office, you must only vote in your party's primary. Also, if you vote in any partisan primary, you can't give a valid signature for a third party candidate to get onto the general election ballot.
43 posted on 02/28/2008 8:36:43 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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[HooptieWagon]

198. Rush telling listeners to vote for hillary

here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334669,00.html

[redqueen]

201. Dick Morris is not a Republican, is he? He worked for Bill. So...

how is that the same as Rush and his ilk telling their minions to vote for Clinton?


The article you linked isn't talking about Rush-style tactics to mess with our primary.

It's talking about Republicans that are deciding they prefer this Democrat, this time. Which means they actually support him, and I think due to that support - they will vote for him in the GE.

The comments may be what you intended to refer to... but seeing as how you just posted dozens up there and not even half of them seem to address your point... I'm just going to take it that there's really no source for your claims. Not one mention of Dennis Miller on there.

[theredpen]

227. Dick Morris has a vendetta against the Clintons

It's well known. He's wrong about everything. He just hates Hillary Clinton. Fox News has him on because he's "a Democrat." Yeah, like Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller and — lately — Hillary Clinton.

[theredpen]

226. Oh great, now you're spamming the thread with the same post OVER AND OVER

My response here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5002427&mesg_id=5019103

[skater314159]

229. SECOND OF THREE CONSECUTIVE SPAM POSTS. nt

[skater314159]

231. ...

[HooptieWagon]

196. Pulled out of an ass.

there is no evidence RW pundits told listeners to vote for Obama in TX and OH. Plenty of evidence they told listeners to vote for Hillary.
Normally, I wouldn't link to FOX, but in this case it's appropriate b/c it's coming straight from the horse's ass hisself:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334669,00.html

[ElsewheresDaughter]

200. here stick this up your ass......video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_jnhsyqg0

Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama
msnbc ^ | 2/28/08

Posted on 02/28/2008 8:21:07 PM PST by LouAvul

One of Sen. Barack Obama’s surest applause lines comes about halfway into his standard stump speech. It goes like this:

“They whisper to me. They say, ‘Barack, I’m a Republican, but I support you.’ And I say, ‘Thank you. Why are we whispering?’”

If the latest polling data are to be believed, those Republicans aren’t whispering in Texas, where 195 of the 228 delegates the state will send to the Democratic National Convention will be chosen in a primary and caucuses Tuesday.

As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama, a first-term senator from Illinois, the polls show.

“I ran for Republican precinct chair. I went to the Republican state convention,” said one of them, Donald Rau of Austin, who has already voted in early balloting. “In this election, I voted for Barack Obama.”

GOP support ‘no longer surprising’ A poll released this week by SurveyUSA of Verona, N.J., indicated that registered Republicans would make up 9 percent of Democratic primary voters next week. Michael Baselice, head of Baselice and Associates, a Texas polling firm, said that was in line with what his company was finding.

A bloc that large could make a significant difference for Obama, who holds a large lead over Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York among Texas Republicans, especially in a close race. Polls this week were showing a dead heat in Texas as Obama began pulling even with Clinton.

To: LouAvul
We don't like the Clintons.

They're scum.

Pretty simple answer.
2 posted on 02/28/2008 8:22:40 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: LouAvul

Just Say No to Hillary!

4 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:13 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: LouAvul

although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

5 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:25 PM PST by kingattax (99 % of liberals give the rest a bad name)
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To: LouAvul

What would be interesting is the percentage who plan to stab their country . . . I mean vote for Obama in the general election.

6 posted on 02/28/2008 8:24:44 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat (Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit)
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To: LouAvul

I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system. My voter registration card is marked “Republican” and I can’t vote in the DemocRAT primary election. I voted before early voting as I left on a business trip that last beyond election day. I had to tell the election officials my party affiliation before they would send me an absentee ballot. I don’t see how Texas can “cross over” - we don’t have an open primary like several of the earlier states.

7 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:12 PM PST by Manfred the Wonder Dawg (Test ALL things, hold to that which is True.)
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To: LouAvul

Much as I dread hillary, I’m not sure if this is the smart thing to do.

8 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: LdSentinal

It’ll be easier to take out Obama in the general? Get the wicked witch out of the race as FAST as possible?

9 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:21 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (Hillary Clinton - It's OBAMAS Party and She'll Cry if She Wants to?)
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To: LouAvul

Stupid Chris Matthews probably thinks those Republicans will stick with Obama in the general election.

10 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:30 PM PST by counterpunch (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl32Y7wDVDs )
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To: LouAvul

Yea...Republicans are voting for Barak in the primary...but they won’t in the general...does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please.

11 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:32 PM PST by Hildy (You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep cause reality is finally better than your dreams)
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To: LouAvul
Not I. I would not be able to overcome the sense of sheer revulsion for voting for Hillary or Obama even in a primary. I’d rather perform an apdendecomy on myself with a snail fork.
12 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:42 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: LouAvul
As many as a tenth of the Texans voting in the Democratic contests could be Republicans, and overwhelmingly they favor Obama...

Maybe they don't favor "He Whose Middle Name Must Not Be Mentioned" as much as they despise "She Whose Last Name Must Not Be Spoken".
13 posted on 02/28/2008 8:25:55 PM PST by Texas Eagle (Could pacifists exist if there weren't people brave enough to go to war for their right to exist?)
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To: LouAvul

I think more will cross over to vote for Hillary so that Obama does not win in Texas. It will be easier to defeat Senator Clinton in the general election, believe me!

14 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:18 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: LouAvul

Faced with McCain? I’d take Hillary too. :D

15 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:20 PM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
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To: kingattax
is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

Personally, I think it's pretty lame.
16 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:36 PM PST by FoxInSocks
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To: LouAvul

Lots of Democrats won’t vote for a black man, that’s why.

17 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: LouAvul

Crazy. It will be tougher to bit Obama than Hillary. I plan on voting for Hillary (in the primary only, OK). I want to see the Democratic party divided and, while a Hillary as Commander in Chief is scary, Obama as Commander in Chief is a nightmare.

18 posted on 02/28/2008 8:26:53 PM PST by RushingWater (Pres. Bush honors Mexican sovereignty over our own - Pardon Ramos/Campeon/Hernandez)
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To: kingattax
"although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?"

Oh, I don't know, why don't you ask the democrats and independents in the early primaries that helped give us McCain? Personally, I don't think open primaries are a good idea. Ours was closed in Louisiana.
19 posted on 02/28/2008 8:27:54 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde
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To: Salvation

Yep.

20 posted on 02/28/2008 8:28:04 PM PST by rintense (You don't advance conservatism by becoming more liberal. Piss off McCain and Huck!)
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To: LouAvul
For whatever reason, Baselice said, the movement toward Obama should be a warning to Republicans.

“Look, if Texas is a problem for Republicans, then it’s a disaster for the rest of the country,” he said.

Alex Johnson, minor league propagandist at MSNBC.

Pathetic liar should be embarrassed to cash his check, the real story is the McCain Democrats.
21 posted on 02/28/2008 8:28:44 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: LdSentinal

LOL!

22 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:06 PM PST by The_Republican (You know why Chelsea Clinton is so Ugly? Because Janet Reno is her Father! LOL! - Mac is Back!)
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To: Hildy

“but they won’t in the general...does the MSM really think that any republican would support Obama? Please.”

The media is intoxicated with Obama, so yes, they are stupid enought to think that Republicans would vote for him.

23 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:23 PM PST by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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To: LouAvul
Huh? Maybe some FR pundit can explain this strategy.

Free Republic was created to expose Bill and Hillary Clinton and their White Water connections. Hillary Clinton must NEVER be allowed to become President!

So, why would this tactic be difficult to understand?
24 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:30 PM PST by Hunble
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To: RushingWater

He, Obama, won’t be elected if he is the nominee. Too many Democrats, Asian, Hispanic, and deep South Dems, won’t vote for a black man. I’m not the only one who has had liberals tell me - “no way will I vote for Obama!”

25 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:34 PM PST by SatinDoll (Desperately seeking a conservative candidate.)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg

>> I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system.

I live in Texas. We have an OPEN primary system. If you have not voted yet this election cycle, you are free to choose a Dem or a Republican ballot.

26 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org ))
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To: LouAvul

Oh, and tell our Republican congressmen to stop voting in favor of laws like the VAWA for the likes of Hillary.

27 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:46 PM PST by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt), '89-'96)
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To: LouAvul
As a born and bred Texan... I don’t need MSNBC or any other Marxist-Inbred-Democrat toe-licker telling me what is going to happen in Texas!

When the RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD... Texas is voting REPUBLICAN! PURE RED! Baaaaaaaaaaaaby!
28 posted on 02/28/2008 8:29:56 PM PST by avacado
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To: IllumiNaughtyByNature
Get the wicked witch out of the race as FAST as possible?
29 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:15 PM PST by Hunble
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To: kingattax
although viewed as useful in this instance, is allowing crossover voting in a primary really a good idea ?

Not if I was to have my way, especially for the GOP. As far as the Dems are concerned, I could not care less.

This practice is why we have McAmnesty as the presumptive nominee of the GOP.
30 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: LouAvul

If I lived in Ohio nd Texas I would vote for Obama. A chance to get rid (for 4 years atleast) a uniqely evil person in Hillary Clinton.

31 posted on 02/28/2008 8:30:37 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule
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To: counterpunch

Well the other day you could tell from how many people voted and what per centage were Democrat vs Republican, that there have been MANY MANY crossover voters. When four times more Democrats supposedly voted, you know a lot of Republicans crossed over. A friend of mine told me about this a long time ago. Crossover voting. When you know you can’t change your candidate, you crossover and screw the other side. Since we are STUCK with McCain, we want to get the crappiest candidate on the other side. And Obama is an empty suit. He has pudding for brains.

32 posted on 02/28/2008 8:31:41 PM PST by buffyt (I was not a McCain supporter, but the more I learn about Obama, the better McCain looks!)
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To: indcons
Buffyt just said it best:

When you know you can’t change your candidate, you crossover and screw the other side.
38 posted on 02/28/2008 8:33:44 PM PST by H

To: LouAvul

There is a certain logic to this. They want to prevent a second Clinton Presidency, so they’re voting in Democratic primaries. And their support for Obama in primaries doesn’t mean they’ll support him in the general election.

42 posted on 02/28/2008 8:35:44 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Manfred the Wonder Dawg; LouAvul
I live in Texas and this confuses me. We have a closed primary system. My voter registration card is marked “Republican” and I can’t vote in the DemocRAT primary election.

In which county do you live. I think someone was pulling your leg. Texas has no party registration. If an election official actually said that, report that person the the Texas Secretary of State.

http://www.sos.state.tx.us /

You can vote in any primary you want. When you vote in a primary, your registration card will be stamped with the name of the party in whose primary you voted, and the county database will be updated indicate the party primary in which you participated. If you vote in the Republican primary you won't be allowed to participate in the Democrat runoffs and vice versa. If you are a candidate for office, you must only vote in your party's primary. Also, if you vote in any partisan primary, you can't give a valid signature for a third party candidate to get onto the general election ballot.
43 posted on 02/28/2008 8:36:43 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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[HooptieWagon]

209. More

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13317

[theredpen]

225. Oh great, now you're spamming the thread with the same post OVER AND OVER

My response here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5002427&mesg_id=5019103

[skater314159]

228. YOU ARE SPAMMING WITH DUPLICTE POSTS. nt

[fascisthunter]

192. Um.... Democratic votes

this is the Democratic Party, and not the Democrat Party.

[skater314159]

234. Just because you repeat the lie doesn't make it truth-ier. nt

[BigDDem]

174. Newsflash!!! (Might want to sit down)

The voters are keeping her in the race.
Why concede?

If BO would have won TX, OH it would be over.
Can't close the deal.
Democrats by 2 to 1 want her to stay in the race.
But don't let facts get in your way!

[greyghost]

202. Exactly. These threads about it all being Hillary's fault because

she wants to win are getting old.

Why should she quit? She has more then enough votes to justify staying in.

Hell of it is, I never liked Hillary that much, I'm an Edwards supporter.

But these whining, crybaby, Obama supporters make me want to defend her.

I have a suggestion for them; come back with these Hillary should concede threads when Obama actually closes the deal. Novel concept, I know.

[SoonerPride]

203. Newsflash (you might want to sit down): HE DID WIN TEXAS.

Unless delegates don't matter.

Oh wait, they do.

And he won more of them in texas.

[greyghost]

206. He hasn't won ANYTHING. What is it about the number 2025 that

you people don't understand? 2025, 2025, 2025, 2025, That's the magic number! Come back when he actually closes the deal.

[SoonerPride]

223. I was referring to the post that said if he'd won texas.

Which he did.

[greyghost]

258. Well if he did, every paper in the country needs to print a retraction.

[BigDDem]

212. And OU beat Boise State, right?

:rofl:

[SoonerPride]

224. No, but we, like Obama, won the texas game

And if you know football, you know the Red River Rivalry is akin to war.

[uponit7771]

235. Obama won more pledge delegates from Texas

[Patriot Abroad]

176. I get it now. I understand. Obama will not concede even though he can't win.

:sarcasm:

Um, she's running neck and neck with Obama. A lot of people have contributed a lot of money to her campaign, and would be shocked and disappointed to see her get out now. It would be very difficult to convince said contributors to put money towards her next campaign.

For this reason alone, she has a moral obligation to continue to run while she is still a viable candidate; if she had been blown out early/ignored by the main stream media (i.e. the other 6) she'd be out by now.

And she must try to expose the differences between herself and Obama - in theory if she can tip things back her way just a bit over the next few months, it could be her and not Obama going into the convention with the slight edge.

I was an Edwards man, I'm just hoping that these two don't tear us apart too much before the general election (I'll vote for either of them, but Rush Limbaugh will convince a lot of fence sitters not to).

[Myrina]

179. I'll say it again: the simliarities between her attitude and W's are striking.

It's mine and I don't care what you think and if I don't get my way, I'll stomp my feet, whine and have someone knocked off.

[greyghost]

204. Sounds like the majority of Obama supporters on this site. BTW,

I am an Edwards supporter. I'll say it for the umpteeth time, these
endless attacks on Hillary are hurting, not helping Obama.

Chill people, Hillary has EVERY right to stay in the race.

Come back when Obama actually closes the deal.

[Arugula Latte]

205. It's all about Hillary. She doesn't give a crap about the party or the country.

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.

[Maxdee55]

214. Obama Won't Have The Votes Either

The smug Obama supporters act as if he has a lead of 500 or more delegates and his nomination is a foregone conclusion, actually from the last report I've seen he has a lead of 115 delegates. It is almost assured that neither Obama nor Clinton will have enough delegates to win the nomination going into the convention, do the Obama supporters really believe that if he were behind by 115 delegates, that he would drop out. The presumptuous supporters of Mr. Obama act as if Clinton is Mike Huckabee, that she's won nothing in this campaign when in reality she has won almost every big state, which will be imperative to winning in November. And then there is Michigan and Florida (which Clinton won both) where a compromise has to be worked out or you risk disenfranchising Democratic voters come November, somehow these delegates will get counted which makes the race even closer. An out of the ordinary occurrence in this campaign which has helped Obama win states is that 90% of African-Americans are voting for Obama, this will not be a factor come November because those votes will go Democrat no matter who is the nominee. Mr. Obama has finally started to get some bad press, they are starting to ask some probing questions, and Mr. Obama has shown he doesn't like it. Its a few more weeks to Pennsylvania, that's an eternity in political campaigns, a lot can happen by then, Hillary has an obligation to those who believe in her to stay in the race.

[uponit7771]

232. He'll have the majority of pledge delegates by convention and that historically has been enough

[McCamy Taylor]

215. Obama can't win either. The Repubs in Florida made sure of that.

It is all down to the Superdelegates. That is why we have this media circus.

[elixir]

230. Conceding now would be premature. Neither candidates has enough SD to win at this time.

The race must play itself out.

[aquart]

236. Odd. When was the election called for Obama?

Is the Democratic process THAT awful to you that you cannot bear to see it proceed? HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM REFUSING TO COUNT THE VOTES IN FLORIDA???

Hope and Change, my ass.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

245. 2012 or bust!

[knixphan]

252. game fixing

What was the name of that nba referee who was fixing games for the mob?

I believe dirty refs can only fix a 'really close' game... nudging the losing team ahead by a point, with nobody noticing.

But not 20 points. Too obvious.

For the refs to fix the Obama-Clinton game, it would have to remain nail-bitingly close.

Solution: Obama-minions (I'm owning that too) have to keep donating!

Give him the ammo he needs to stretch his lead out, so the refs can't fix a 'close' game.

[AlertLurker]

269. As long as she keeps Obama from getting 2025 delegates...

...Obama can't win, either - then it will be an interesting convention...