1 in 4 Clinton supporters will vote McCain vs. Obama. 1 in 10 Obama supporters would, vs. HRC

[redqueen]

Just a weeee bit of difference there. Just a bit.


A quarter of Democrats (25%) who back Clinton for the nomination say they would favor McCain in a general election test against Obama. The defection rate among Obama’s supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/398.pdf


Posting this again, in case anyone missed it before...

[ingac70]

1. "Democrats"...

Must be all those dittoheads Rush asked to *support* Hillary.

[printpolitico]

2. Actual registered dems who voted dem last time

[samdogmom]

3. Maybe it's because, as of late, 25% of Clinton's voters have been Republican's heeding

the advice of their masters!

From my own experience: I come from a very Republican family--out of six kids only two are die-hard Democrats; two are 50/50; and two are die-hard republicans. My parents are die-hard republicans. Everyone in my family voted for Obama--except my other die-hard Democratic sister (she was a Hillary supporter).

No one in my family voted to mess things up. They all voted for Obama because they genuinely believe he will do the best job for our country over the next four years.

Keep in mind, many in my family have spouses and children of voting age who also supported Obama!

Republicans crossing over for Obama truly want him to be President--and their support will still be there in November. Republicans crossing over for Hillary are just messing with the system. They'll be voting McCain in November.

[papau]

106. but expanding the party base was Obama's idea!!! LOL

[jackson_dem]

116. Obama won the rethug vote in Ohio and Texas contrary to Obamite myth

"Republicans crossing over for Obama truly want him to be President--and their support will still be there in November. Republicans crossing over for Hillary are just messing with the system."

That myth was laid to rest in Ohio and Texas. Obama's rethug and "independent" support mysteriously dropped by about 20 points after he won the rethug and indie vote consistently and by large margins from Iowa to Wisconsin. It is obvious that some of those voting for Obama were doing so to mess with the system by promoting the weaker candidate. On 3/4 the calculus changed and it was better for them to vote for Hill to keep things going for 7 weeks and that is why 20-25 percentage switched mysteriously overnight to her. Expect them to be back behind Obama in May. The point is he wasn't winning rethugs 75-21/70-30 before 3/4 because they loved him. He was doing it because they were messing with the system and his slim margins when the rethug interest changed exposed that.

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Just goes to show that Obama supporters are true democrats. n/t.

[krkaufman]

121. chuckle. an inconvenient truth that should shame many on this forum. n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. Makes you wonder

if the supporters who say this are really Democrats.

Full disclosure here: My husband won't vote for Clinton, but would for Obama. But he considers himself an independent and has not sent any money to any candidate or party. I have sent money to Kucinch, and will hold my nose and vote for whoever is on the Democratic ticket in November.

[redqueen]

7. Only *registered* Democrats' responses were included. (nt)

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

17. Let me redefine my term

by "Democrats" I mean those who have actually contributed money to a Democratic campaign, or who have worked on a local level at phone banks, etc.

[redqueen]

19. Ah, I get ya...

not just those that only come out to vote, and do little else.

Is that it?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

107. yep

I'm wondering how many dedicated Dems will not vote the party. I'd think the majority of those folks will vote Dem no matter what.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. An important point about that:

Dem defections to McCain are twice as damaging as Dem defections to nader, or Dems staying home.

In a close race, the effect of four anti-war dems voting third party: Nader 4 / Dem 46 / McCain 50

In a close race, the effect of four 'Reagan Democrats' voting for McCain: Dem 46 / McCain 54

It's a 4% gap versus an 8% gap, which is a big deal in electoral politics.

(Voters simply not voting is roughly the same as voting third party... again, disaffected Dems staying home are only half as damaging as disaffected Dems who vote McCain. Baseball fans are familiar with this scenario... it's the difference in a pennant race between regular games, and games the contending teams play head to head where the teams move two places in the standings for each game; a loss by one automatically adds a win to the other.)

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

8. look at the effin' head-to-heads. end of argument: it's Obama

if the head to heads are tied, Barcak can still turnout the young vote. Hillary only turns out the Republican vote.



ed for typo

[Carrieyazel]

59. Older voters will turn out in droves for McLame

which will neutralize the young vote. I wish it wasn't true. But that's what it looks like.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

91. but aren't the older voters supposed to be Hillary's?

what's that leave her with if they go with him?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

9. How long until some dipshit...

uses this as an argument to vote for Clinton?

[Andy823]

79. Probably happening as we speak

Looks like another lame attempt by the Clinton gang to try and get votes if you ask me! They will do anything to try and kill Obamas chances to be the nominee, and they don't care how low they sink to do it! She can't win without playing dirty politics, and everyday she sinks to new lows, and everyday I dislike here more and more!

We already have a president that sank to these kind of lows to get his nomination back in 2000, and we all know how he turned out. We can't make the same mistake the republicans did when they bought into Bush's lies and dirty politics!

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

85. It took a cetain dipshit 5 hours and 6 minutes. n/t

[TechBear_Seattle]

10. 11% of self-described Democrats voted for Bush in 2000

What else is new?

Added for clarity: And I do mean, voted FOR BUSH. Not Nader. Not Pat Buchanan. Not Howard Phillips. BUSH.

[redqueen]

12. It's just that there seems to be this meme in this forum...

that republicans are supporting Obama to 'mess with' the Dem ticket.

[SoCalDem]

44. Rush gave them their marching orders to vote for HER.. she;s the one they can't wait to vote

against in the fall.. republicans don't hate him..they loathe her

[Omega3]

68. sorry but that is a RECENT phenominan, it was only until it looked like O was going to clinch the

nom that Rush started urging repukes to vote for her. This has NOT been going on all election season.

in fact, early on it was repukes voting for obama in much larger numbers

repukes have been crossing to Obama for a much greater period of time in this election year.

[Beacool]

11. I could have told you that already.

NJ poll:

Clinton 50% - McCain 39%

Obama - McCain it's a toss up

More:

25% of Hillary supporters would vote for McCain if she's not the nominee, while some others would not vote at all. Take into consideration that this is coming from a blue state that the Democrats must win in Nov. if they hope to regain the WH.

The main reason: inexperience

These are difficult times for the country and to many people Obama does not have the requisite experience to be president at this point in time.

[redqueen]

15. Sad.

[CyberPieHole]

38. Not really. It's just a political reality. I can't blame the Clinton voters who defect to McCain..

It's all politics. Life will go on. Besides, from what I read on DU, Obama doesn't need the votes of Clinton supporters: He's the Messiah and he will "Magically" make votes appear!

[redqueen]

It's not that...

I think it's sad that people are scared into supporting the status quo.

[seabeyond]

77. that is what hillary and repugs are about fear to manipulate, force vote

that is what is so bad. it is hillary saying obama cant do it, be afraid, be very afraid that they now say too afraid to vote obama cause of the world ect.... we have often had presidents without any experience, like all the governors. .... her hubby bill. and still they were able to do the job

this is exactly the reason the dems yelled about what hillary was promoting. and still the hillary supporters make excuses. why? cause she has convinced them into voting thru fear instead of reason. the hillary supporters continue to show what happened to republican voters last two elections.

republicans werent unique in manipulation. it obviously can happen to all people, when fear is used to control.

[seabeyond]

49. I can't blame the Clinton voters .... i can, real easy. but this is the point, you being

a hillary support. to valid, excuse, jsutify allowing a repug in before obama.... why?... cause he didnt let hillary win

i can easy blame clinton voters.

[walldude]

71. Yeah and Bush stealing the election and bringing the

country to it's knees was "just politics" too. Gimme a break. If we get 8 more years of McSame, we're fucked. We are not to far gone yet, but judging by where we've come in the last 8 years I'd say that 8 years of McCain will sink us for good. Any Democrat, Hillary or Obama supporter, who votes for McCain is not a Democrat, and really should just switch parties now and save us all the trouble.

[laugle]

110. Obama supporter's don't

seem to realize the "knife cuts both ways!" Obama started this when he said his supporter's may not vote for Hillary in the GE, and arrogantly felt hers would support him! So much for "Mr. Uniter!" That made a lot of people very angry. WE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED BY HIM OR HIS SUPPORTER'S !!

[Exilednight]

41. As much as NJ would like it to be, it's not a must win for Obama....

A poll since Ohio says otherwise.

Polls say otherwise.

Hillary v McCain

Solid Clinton--77 (eleven or more points): AR, DC, IL, MA, NY, RI
Lean Clinton--126 (six to ten points): CA, CT, FL, ME, MD, OH, VT
Toss Up--135 (five points or less): DE, HI, IA, MI, MN, MO, NJ, NM, OR, PA, TN, WA, WV, WI
Lean McCain--136 (six to ten points): AL, CO, KS, KY, LA, MS, NV, NH, NC, OK, SC, TX, VA
Solid McCain--65 (eleven or more points): AK, AZ, GA, ID, IN, MT, NE, ND, SD, UT, WY

Obama v McCain

Solid Obama--163 (eleven or more points): CA, CT, DC, HI, IL, ME, MD, NY, RI, VT, WA, WI
Lean Obama--66 (six to ten points): CO, DE, MA, MN, NM, OH, OR
Toss-up--186: (five points or less): AK, FL, MI, NE, NV, NH, NJ, NC, ND, PA, TX, VA
Lean McCain--25 (six to ten points): IN, MO, MT
Solid McCain--98 (eleven or more points): AL, AZ, AR, GA, ID, KY, LA, MS, OK, TN, UT, WV, WY

[txaslftist]

87. That's my sense, too. Obama is much more electable than Clinton.

If she wins the nomination at this point, coming from behind and winning with superdelegates or some such chicanery, she'll be trounced by McCain in November. Maybe Obama voters won't defect to McCain, but you can bet they'll stay home.

[seabeyond]

92. that is what i was think. i would never resort to voting mccain. but not vote hillary either

this is actually people saying they would VOTE mccain. that is amazing and petty to me.

[txaslftist]

100. Maybe it's a revenge thing.

Hillary's people constantly blame Obama for the fact that he's beating her, refusing to look at their own candidate's completely inept campaign. The fact of the matter is, he's run a much better organized, more passionate, more effective campaign. How else does he come from 20 points behind in Texas to winning more delegates from Texas than she did? He took the time to understand the Texas caucus system, which takes about half an hour to grasp. So he won the caucuses with enough of a margin to take the State.

I have a lot of GOP friends here, since I'm in the Red Heart of a Red State. They like Obama. The guy could actually take Texas. Hillary? Not a chance in the world.

I think Hillary's anger at being "robbed" by this upstart "flavor of the month" candidate is rubbing off on her followers. The fact is he's a better politician than she is. She's getting pounded because she doesn't know how to run a decent campaign in the internet age.

That said, there's still a lot of nastiness the Clintons could pull between now and the convention to get the nomination. If that happens, Hillary is going to lose to McCain. I sense she'd rather lose to McCain than lose to Obama, though.

[IndianaJones]

13. I wonder if Obama will even reach Mondale levels of support? nt.

[CyberPieHole]

23. I doubt it. By the time the RW is done with him, he'll be lucky to win Illinois. n/t

[George_Bonanza]

27. And your proof is?

[CyberPieHole]

34. In the pudding.

:evilgrin:

[Mags]

78. I love your quick wit!!

[IndianaJones]

30. He'll lose all the swing states...OH, PA, FL. nt.

[SoCalDem]

39. so will she

:)

[Exilednight]

61. If McCain picks Crist to run as VP - kiss FL goodbye after this fiasco.....

and it will not matter who our nominee is.

[Carrieyazel]

65. Hillary loses FL and OH in a general, likely wins PA

So with Hillary you keep PA, but she isn't winning many new states. Obama's got problems himself; he should keep WI but maybe not PA.

[Carrieyazel]

69. He'll get the 47% that any Dem would get. And many more EVs than Mondale

He could do about as well as Kerry in '04; much better than Mondale84. But his road to 270 looks to be impossible.

[IndianaJones]

98. Do you think a ticket with a combination of Obama and Clinton could win? nt.

[Carrieyazel]

108. I don't think it would. Both would have difficulty flipping red states.

They're both quite similar in their policy views. They're both Senators. Both are getting hit in this primary process.

[jbm]

117. I've wondered that as well...

There is a Republican in my town who is as politically obsessed as I am. He takes none of it seriously though, and we get together at least once a week and compare notes on who is going to win which election. Mostly we're talking local elections, but we discuss state and national as well.

In all the years we've been comparing notes, I don't think we've ever both been wrong on the same race. We don't always agree on the outcome, but when we do agree it's a pretty sure shot. Neither of us has felt comfortable enough to call the Obama or Clinton primary, but we do agree on the outcome of the General if Obama is the candidate. If it's Obama, McCain has an easy walk to victory. In fact, I would bet McCain could pretty much go home and lay on th couch until inauguration day, and still win by an unprecedented landslide. Needless to say, my republican friend voted Obama in the primary. I imagine he'll join the 63% of white males who also voted Obama in primaries, but assured pollsters they'd be voting McCain in the General.

[ccharles000]

14. I am a hillary supporter.

I will never vote for McCain but am undecided on whether to vote for obama. :shrug:

[George_Bonanza]

28. You're insane. I'm a big Obama fan, but I'd vote for Hillary any day over McCain

[scheming daemons]

16. Proves that Obama supporters are better Democrats..... and Hillary supporters are a "cult"....

...it's all about "Hillary".... not what's best for the party.


Thanks for definitive proof.

[DerekJ]

66. self delete - dupe

[DerekJ]

67. I second that . n/t

[JackORoses]

18. This is a BS poll. Hillarites are pissed right now because they see they have lost.

These numbers do not represent what will happen in November.

[George_Bonanza]

25. I agree

Call it the Sour Grapes Effect.

[redqueen]

33. I sure hope so. (nt)

[Beacool]

You're missing the point.

It's not about being "pissed off' or "sour grapes", it's about a deep distrust that Obama is not prepared nor fit to be president right now (maybe in the future but not in 2008). People who don't like him see him as a great speaker, but not much more than that. Many think he's a smooth operator, like someone said to me "a flim-flam artist" selling his adoring supporters a bill of goods.

Whether they will change their minds by November, who knows?

[ieoeja]

103. So both "Politics of Hope" and the author are a remake?

Originally released in an upbeat Blues format by "Slick Willy" in 1992, the "Smooth Operator" gives it an updated hip-hop beat in 2008.

[PurityOfEssence]

20. So, 1 in 10 Obama supporters would vote for McCain against Obama?

I always suspected they were a confused lot, but this is really quite telling...

[redqueen]

22. Compared to 25% of Hillary's supporters.

What were you saying about confusion?

[redqueen]

26. OH I see... you missed the implication when I said "the same".

I'll correct that, so that others don't get similarly confused.

Sorry.

[SoCalDem]

52. Mmmm.. There's a typo in there somewhere

:rofl:

An Obama supporter would vote for Obama in a McCain v Obama race

[CyberPieHole]

21. With the way Obama has behaved in smearing the Clintons, who can blame them?

I can't. The number is probably correct. Obama might be able to steal and cheat and lie his way into the GE, but he won't win the WH. Too bad.

[George_Bonanza]

24. Obama the smearer and the liar? Boy, are you delusional

[anonymous171]

29. Certain Clinton supporters have accidently bought into Clinton's victimhood complex.

[CyberPieHole]

42. And the CULT of Obama worships at the feet of their Messiah...next...

[anonymous171]

54. It's been well established that Clinton is the one with the cult.

So stop pushing your bullshit.

[CyberPieHole]

35. Tell it to the 25% of Clinton supporters who not only won't vote for Obama, they'll vote McCain...

talk about delusional.:evilgrin:

[SoCalDem]

47. That's the way it is in BizarroWorld.. remember the Superman comics

with Bizarro??

Orwellian too.. blame the other guy for what YOU do :)
republicans have been doing this for decades.

[Quixote1818]

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[TahitiNut]

126. Your tombstone goes well with your perspective. Good riddance to toilet scum.

:shrug:

[Irishonly]

31. It's Wrong

I cannot understand why anyone would vote for McCain rather than the democratic candidate. At some point people should realize what is at stake. Although neither is my first choice I will vote for the nominee. Maybe I am too naive.

[redqueen]

32. I don't think you're too naive...

and I love your username. :hi:

[Irishonly]

109. Thanks

It is just mind boggling that anyone would even consider voting for McCain.:hi:

[krawhitham]

36. I'm calling BS

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/election_2008_presidential_race_state_by_state_snapshot

[redqueen]

56. Relevant exerpt, please?

:shrug:

[Perry Logan]

37. Don't you love how the Obamites declare themselves to be superior Democrats? What assholes.

[theredpen]

55. Don't you hate when actual data proves them right?

[CyberPieHole]

60. Perry, you are being overly generous...

"assholes" is one of their lesser evils.:hi:

[berni_mccoy]

40. That's ok. There are less and less HRC supporters each day. By the time the GE rolls around

There won't be any.

[BeyondGeography]

43. Angry women...they'll calm down

[Beacool]

48. A little more sexist?

Why don't you........

:eyes:

[BeyondGeography]

73. We hear over and over over again how her supporters are true Democrats

we also know her staunchest supporters are women, so, what conclusion can one draw other than people are responding emotionally to the thought of her losing by spurning the victor in a poll like this?

The alternative reading is white folks who won't support the black guy, but I'm more charitable than that. I'm all hugs, actually.

[UALRBSofL]

57. I don't know how people will vote and I don't know how accurate these polls are

But, I do wonder how the older person, which is Hillary's base will vote if she isn't the nominee. I can understand the younger voter goting democrat because they don't want McCain in office, and, neither do I. However, how will the older person vote? Also, how will the Michigan and Florida people vote? There has been such a big issue made out of the two states I wonder how these folks will vote or what they will do? Does anyone have any ideas about these situations? Has there been any statistics taken on any of this?

[Mags]

80. Well, this angry woman and 7 more in my family won't!

and you can take that to the bank. After the stuff that has been thrown around by some of the Obama fans, I probably not vote for Clinton, should he be her VP .

[BeyondGeography]

96. Eight angry women!

:scared:

[anonymous171]

45. WAIT! I thought Hillary supporters were the true democrats!?

Or was that before they started losing? Or became republicans?

[Bad Thoughts]

46. Cult meme just got trashed

I guess the Obama supporters are more flexible.

[elixir]

50. Does that include the cross over "democrats" who voted for Obama in the primaries?

I would be interested to find out how many of Obama's indie/repug cross over votes during the primaries turn out to stay w/ Obama.

[redqueen]

62. No... only registered Dems. (nt)

[Steeler1623]

51. I think that's largely from southern democrats in states like Mississippi

states we won't carry anyway.

[redqueen]

64. What makes you think so? (nt)

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

81. Likelier to be rust belt and midwestern

[Carrieyazel]

53. Not surprising. I know older Dems who support Hillary and refuse to vote Obama in Nov.

McCain may be looking at the biggest number of Dem crossover voters for him since Nixon '72.

Why couldn't they have nominated Romney, or Thompson or some other sure loser??!!!

[walldude]

72. Anyone who votes for McSame is not a Dem

There is no crossover. Real Dems will not sit for 8 more years of this shit. Anyone who does, is not a Dem. When the smoke clears, the goddamn Obamatons and Hillbots all better get into the same goddamn factory or there will be hell to pay. Literally.

[not_too_L8]

58. and they call Obama supporters the cultists

[onenote]

70. possibly the most misused poll ever to appear on DU

It sure sounds alarming when you say a quarter of Democrats who back Clinton will defect to McCain if Obama is the nominee, but only 10 percent of Obama's supporters would jump to McCain in HRC gets the nod.

But, that ignores much more meaningful aspects of the poll results, such as:

Overall, Obama beats McCain 50/43, while HRC beats McCain 50/45.

While the poll shows that, among Democrats, HRC beats McCain 89/9 and Obama beats McCain by only 81/14, that supposed advantage for HRC evaporates when you consider that among independents, Obama beats McCain by 49/43, while HRC LOSES to McCain by 50/44. And among repubs, McCain picks up four percentage points that he loses to Obama.

The fact that this poll actually indicates that Obama would be the stronger candidate is even clearer when you consider that a lot of the Democrats who claim that they'd jump to McCain is likely to shrink as the election nears, whether or not the candidate is HRC or Obama -- voters often end up returning to the party no matter what they say earlier on). But the independents have no historical loyalty to sway them to shift ground, so those poll results may well be accurate not only now, but also at the end of the campaign.

[Carrieyazel]

75. Different than another poll that shows a dead heat between McCain and either Dem

Rasmussen Reports has the race tied with McCain against Hillary or Obama. These polls are all over the place, but its still 8 months before the election.

[redqueen]

76. I thought those statistics have been around and quoted ad nasueam.

And usually they're just disputed anyway, with other polls showing different results.

The ones about who would jump ship vs. McCain, those I haven't seen posted so much.

[seabeyond]

88. jump to McCain is likely to shrink as the election nears... agree. n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

74. So, Clinton supporters are disloyal to our party and/or not true Democrats.. what else is new?

Well, 25% of them that is

[StevieM]

82. I would also vote for McCain. Obama's conduct has been reprehensible (eom)

x

[anonymous171]

84. WTF!? To not vote is one thing, to vote republican is another thing entirely (also disgusting.)

[Yurovsky]

89. Agree 100%. Hell, vote Green, Socialist, Communist, Libertarian, ...

just anything but GOP for President.

As much as I detest Hillary (for more reasons than I have time to list), I could NEVER vote GOP. No how, no way. Never going to happen.

[GarbagemanLB]

94. PLEASE provide one quote of Obama's that is unfair?

[anonymous171]

97. You won't get much.

Many HRC supporters are simply projecting their candidate's victimhood complex.

[StevieM]

101. He basically calls her a bad person on a daily basis. And he wouldn't debate in Wisconsin (eom)

x

[GarbagemanLB]

129. So because he wouldn't debate in Wisconsin, you'd vote for McCain? How pathetic.

[Pawel K]

83. No surpise here, might as well make their true colors seen now

why are we allowing another liberman in our party and why does this get such huge support on this liberal/progressibe board?

[cbayer]

86. Some interesting info in this report

But the number of people surveyed is quite low.

I find the result you highlight quite surprising and question it's validity.

Here is a another quote from the article:

"The vast majority of Democratic voters say they would support either Obama or Clinton
over McCain. But in an Obama-McCain matchup, 14% of Democratic voters say they would
support McCain, compared with 8% who would do so if Clinton is the nominee."

[killbotfactory]

90. I'm sure Clinton convincing her supporters that Obama was literally born yesterday helps.

Or is it all the racists?

[Laelth]

93. 25% of Clinton's supporters claim to be traitors to the party.

This makes me mad. Why would they do this to the party?

:shrug:

-Laelth


Edit:Laelth--edited to remove an inappropriate and unnecessary aspersion cast at redqueen, below, with my apologies.

[redqueen]

99. What?

NO!

I am most definitely NOT suggesting it's a Good Thing.

[Laelth]

102. Self-delete.

[dansolo]

119. Just following her lead

[Laelth]

95. Or is it this?

25% of Hillary's supporters say that if they don't get their way, they will knife the party in the back.

Is that it?

:shrug:

-Laelth

[txaslftist]

105. That's exactly what they appear to be saying.

If they can't win by elections, they'll win by blackmail.

[txaslftist]

104. Wow. 1 in 4 Clintonistas would go Republican if she loses.

I guess they take her endorsement of McCain seriously.

Good riddance to such baggage.

[mudesi]

111. Clinton is conservative. So is McCain

Obama is also conservative, let's not kid ourselves, but he is more left than the other two.

[dcindian]

112. so Clinton supporters are more like republicans.

Who would have ever guessed? :sarcasm:

[GOPBasher]

113. Any Dem who would vote for McCain over the other Dem is an asshole. n/t

[Stuckinthebush]

115. Amen

Any Dem who would vote for McCain over the Dem is more than an asshole, she or he is an idiot.

Fuck them.

If anyone here says they'd do that, then they should be tombstoned immediately. Fucking DINOs.

[jackson_dem]

114. Which is funny because Obama tried to argue the opposite a few weeks ago

[RichardRay]

118. RedQueen, I have only one really important question...

Is that REALLY an Arsenal team emblem you're using as an avatar? Jeez, why don't you just vote for McCain, that's probably at least a bit better than supporting Arsenal, for god's sake.

Backburn Forever (well, maybe someday...)

For those of you who don't follow football (real football, not American Football), you probably don't get it, but that's OK. There actually are some things more important than the US presidential primary.

(on edit - I guess I should give you a break - at least it's not Manchester United)

[redqueen]

128. Hey now! The Rovers are my second favorite team I'll have you know!

I really like Bentley... he's got so much potential.


And you're damn right at least it's not Utd. *ptui*

[krkaufman]

120. If that's what it takes to begin building a new working majority ...

... then it's may just have to be so.

[Pablooscar]

122. This proves Obama is a divider, not a uniter

I would have expected Clinton supporters to follow Obama to the White House, because he's a "uniter". I guess that's not the case.

[anonymous171]

124. It actually proves HRC supporters are part of a cult and aren't true democrats.

[JVS]

123. Which might explain why these closet GOPers don't show up at caucuses.

They aren't real democrats and fear to show their treacherous faces.

[thevoiceofreason]

125. I guess that will complete the process

Of having all the bigots and racists go to the Republicans.

[RoadRage]

127. yeah.. well how many Obama supporters just won't vote at ALL?

Put me in that catagory - thanks.