GD:P...what the hell is wrong with you guys?

[Buddyblazon]

I was/am an Edwards supporter. When he dropped out...I decided I would support Obama. That's the truth. No sugar coating.

But if Hillary were to get the nomination...I would vote for her.

Now...I'll get flamed for saying this, but the one thing I always thought the republicans did well was get behind a candidate. They had no problem saying, "Well he's an R. So if it's down to a D and an R...I vote for him simply because he's an R.".

That's the point were at. Hillary is better than McCain. She will get my support if she gets the nomination.


The problem in here is adults acting like children. A whole lot of "nanny nanny boo boo". And it's pretty pathetic. I'm a relative youngster in the process at 35. So I felt like I needed to keep my mouth shut in this bedlam of a sub-forum. But I feel that what this forum needs is some voices of reason. And I would invite the others that have a cool head about this whole thing to speak up in this thread as well.

Divide and conquer. That's what the Republicans like to do. It's time old...and it works. IF...they can divide. And reading this sub-forum tells me that, to at least an extent, it is working.


I can be a total prick. Seriously. I get paid to be an asshole. I'm also paid to know WHEN to be an asshole. I use tact first. I find most everything can be solved quickly and all party's remain happier when diplomacy is used. So here I am using diplomacy:

I am asking for supporters of both candidates to be gracious in victory. Don't rub it in. You're baiting the other side and at best alienating a bloc of supporters needed by your candidate...at worst driving them to vote for McCain.

I am asking for supporters of both candidates to be gracious in defeat. Some jackasses will want to rub it in. They are a minority. Remember that. Many of us feel for the supporters of the candidate that come out in second place. It's frustrating. Being an Edwards, Gore, Kerry supporter...I know. And I remind the victors...you knew as well at some point in your life.


So...that is my diplomacy.

But I know some people will come on here and degrade this thread. And while I won't be on this thread all day (I do have a life)...I am warning you:

If you start to degrade this thread into "nanny nanny boo boo" jack-assery....I will be back...and I will be complete and utter prick. Like the kind of prick that people who get paid to be pricks can be.

So when you cry foul because you didn't follow the rules of this thread...I will call you out for the cry-baby douche-bag you are.

You have been warned.

Got it? Good. Now make some reconcile.

[Teaser]

1. They got bad crabs

gotta be it.

[Buddyblazon]

2. LOL

[librechik]

3. nice try

I'll gather some other Edwards supporters to come look for your body later.

we hardly knew ye.

:hug:

[Coexist]

4. it was a good post until the threatening at the end..

whats up with that?

[Buddyblazon]

6. Because I'm a professional at knowing when to use it.

And I knew people would cry if I became an asshole in this thread...I felt like that is a release statement.

I didn't threaten anybody. In my line of work...a threat is grabbing someone by the collar and telling them your going to punch their lights out.


What I said was merely a heads up.

;)

[Coexist]

15. got it.

[flor de jasmim]

5. Major difference between the Republicans and HRC--they NEVER suggest a Dem. is better!

[Perry Logan]

8. Major similarity between the Republicans and Obama: they praise Ronald Reagan to the skies.

[flor de jasmim]

12. Oh, for heaven's sake...he's a university professor background coming through...

it was an objective analysis about the transformational EFFECT Reagan had, not the policies. Go back and look at the election results in 1980. I couldn't stand Reagan myself, but I recognize in Obama's statement that many people were swayed in a way that Bill (whom I supported) did not. That's all it is. Anything else is just a smokescreen.

[Buddyblazon]

19. STOP!

I warned everyone not to come in here to bicker.

You got my asshole meter on the brink. Chill.

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. Don't bother.

For the hundreds of time's Perry's been told the truth, he keeps coming back and posting the same drivel. He's not interested in the truth - just catapulting his propaganda.

[Buddyblazon]

9. Now...I know you're pissed off about that. And so are a lot of people.

But you're just going to have to let it be water off a ducks ass for the sake of unity.

[SharonRB]

7. Bravo!

Someone had to say it. I've been staying out of GD:P -- occasionally reading, rarely posting. It's not worth getting into a pissing match.

I agree with you -- I won't be happy if Hillary somehow pulls this off (which I don't think will happen), but I will vote for her. Two weeks ago that wouldn't have even been a problem. The last couple of weeks have really turned me off to her, but I will still vote for her and be united with the party. I won't send her money and may or may not do any volunteering, but there's no way I'll do anything to help McCain win this thing. We need to stick together whoever our nominee is.

I came to Obama late -- I was very active in the Draft Gore movement, then went to Richardson, then to Dodd, then to Biden, then to Edwards. I landed on Obama by default, but I support him wholeheartedly at this point and will do everything I can to help him. (Of course, I wouldn't be upset if we wound up with a Gore/Obama ticket by the end of this crazy thing, but I'm not counting on it.)

[texastoast]

10. Buddy, that would take a little maturity

which I find surprisingly lacking in GDP.

With the policy differences and campaign behavior differences between the candidates about as large as a Hummer driver's penis, posters need to stop degrading themselves when they are talking about these two candidates.

[Buddyblazon]

11. Exactly Texas.

If someone came to this subforum and never had been to DU...they would think this is a forum for teenagers.

There are a couple of posters I've noticed that really like to stir the pot.

I'm not to the point where I feel like they should be called out...yet.

[CoffeeCat]

13. You get paid to be an asshole?

Are you an insurance claims adjuster?

I see the "nanny-nanny-boo-boo" stuff too, and I can tell you (in my opinion) why it's happening.

As an Obama supporter, we saw Hillary gaining a bit of mo (let's call it "mini mo") as a direct result
of her attacking Obama, lying about him and degrading Obama by propping up McCain. For a while it
looked like her bullshit was effective bullshit, and it was very disheartening.

Now, it appears that she's lost her "mini mo" and it also appears that there is blowback from her
dirty, disgusting tactics.

I, for one, feel relief. I'm glad to know that dirty tricks and venom aren't winning.

She didn't have to play it this way. She didn't need to deflate Obama supporters and totally
eviscerate him so much--like a human lawn mower destroying everything in her path. Obama's
not playing it that way. The other Dem candidates didn't and the Republicans aren't going
as low as Hillary either.

People are releasing steam right now. I for one, feel justified in playing a bit of "nanny-nanny-boo-boo"
after what Clinton has done to our party, our candidate and morale in our party in general.

[Buddyblazon]

16. No...

I'm a Stage Manager at a major music venue. I deal with "rockstars". And yes...I've told rock stars to shut the fuck up...get on (or off) the stage to their faces. In fact, on Friday I told a "rock star" in front of his entire band and crew, "You are a fucking asshole and your behavior is unacceptable. You treat my crew like that, you'll find your stay here a very short one."

Now...I know you're upset. But think about your wording.

The way you wrote it out is SURE to catch the ire of a Clinton supporter. And you knew it would. THAT'S what we have to be careful of.


We need to choose our words wisely. You are unhappy. Fine. But passive aggressive wording is just another way of poking at someone. You and I both know it.

[CoffeeCat]

24. Yeah, but I'm not here to please the Clinton...

...supporters.

She represents evil and sickness to me. I am disgusted by her. That's the truth.

I speak my mind, and of course, others who disagree with me aren't going to like it. Tough rocks.

There are plenty of people who say negative things about Obama, and distort his views and position
Obama supporters as fanatics and cultist, etc. I don't take it personally. I don't think those
people are "poking at me." They're stating their views.

I think the DU rules clearly keep the discussion at a certain level. We're not supposed to name
call and call out other DUers. Those things are hurtful. However, we're here discussing politics--and
this is a very contested, heated race that has been drawn the hell out way too long.

We're exhausted and tired.

I guess I'm not afraid of heated discussions and writing that slaps people in the face and makes them
feel or think a certain way.

I just don't think that heated (and sometimes caustic) discussions on a political messageboard, are that
big of a deal.

Just my 2 cents.

Sounds like you have a very interesting job. It sounds like you could write a book.

[Buddyblazon]

27. You started out with:

"She represents evil and sickness to me. I am disgusted by her. That's the truth.

I speak my mind, and of course, others who disagree with me aren't going to like it. Tough rocks."


At first it told me you lacked tact. But I read on and it feels like you've been pushed by this sub-forum as well.



The one thing my Mother taught me that I've carried on through out life:

When trying to persuade people...try not to put them on the defensive right off the bat. Because at that point, you will convince them of nothing.


Your post could've gone without the opening segment...because the first thing you did...was put every Clinton supporter reading this thread on the defensive.

Just thought I'd point that out to you.

[CoffeeCat]

33. Fair enough...

I hear what you are saying and I applaud you for reminding us all
about how important our words are.

Cheers!

:)

[Buddyblazon]

34. Voice of reason.

Thank you for analyzing it with me with an open mind.

Cheers to you.

[Buddyblazon]

32. BTW...

We have this quote from Henry Rollins pinned up at the back of the stage for EVERYONE that sets foot on the stage to see:

"Listen to the stage manager and get on stage when they tell you to. No one has time for the rock star act. None of the techs backstage care if you're David Bowie or the Milkman. When you act like a jerk, they are completely unimpressed with the infantile display that you might think comes with your dubious status. They were there hours before you building the stage, and they will be there hours after you leave tearing it down. They should get your salary, and you should get theirs."

[againes654]

14. Well said---K&R

I believe that I saw somewhere that the front page of Limbaugh's website said to vote for Hillary (in Texas I think) to "keep them fighting"

Why can we not see this?

[Bolo Boffin]

17. I agree with you totally

Remember, however, that the anonymity of the Internet allows for much mischief-making.

[info being]

18. Oh my god

This place has turned into FreeRepublic. Nice post, embarrassing responses.

[grace0418]

20. "Well HE/SHE said it first!" I can't believe how many posts boil down to that third-grade

justification. Anytime anyone posts anything about either candidate, the supporters of the other candidate start pointing fingers. It's soooooo ridiculous.

[Buddyblazon]

21. It's because....

people are taking passive aggressive shots at each others candidates. Then when they're called on it...they say, "who...me?".

It's like a forum full of my Mother.

[grace0418]

37. LOL! Are we siblings?

I have enough of them, it's certainly a possibility.

[Johnny__Motown]

22. I do not belong to any organized political party, I am a Democrat

As true as ever




As far as getting behind a candidate goes... we don't quite have one yet. If Hillary would concede then we could begin to come together, but not until that happens.


As an Edwards supporter you should be able to see what Clinton supporters are now going through. They now they don't have a reasonable chance to win but they hang on and continue to hope for a miracle. The sooner they all grasp that Hillary's has lost the sooner this party can begin to heal the divisions.

[Buddyblazon]

23. But are we not wise enough to see the golden egg in front of us?

We...Democrats...can win back the WH in Nov....provided we don't shoot ourselves in the foot.

That's fine if you feel that way about Hillary. If the voters feel the same as you, perhaps you'll see them respond the way you want them to.

But if they don't, then we're going to have to wait.

As blunt and straight forward as I can put it.

[billyskank]

28. If anybody can piss this away, it's the Democrats.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope I'm so utterly wrong that come November I'll look like a total idiot. Believe me, that would be brilliant. But I can't help but think that, whoever wins the Democratic nomination, the campaign will be run by the same DLC hacks who have demonstrated such brilliance in throwing away elections in the past. They'll piss off the base by running a right wing campaign meant to attract swing voters, and at the same time alienate too many of those swing voters by failing to rise to the Republican attacks.

[Swamp Rat]

25. Oui!

:applause:

[mculator]

26. OK.

Blah blah blah. Go Hillary.

[Buddyblazon]

29. LOL

You'll find me skin is leathered.

Stuff doesn't bother me.

[stellanoir]

30. ""nanny nanny boo boo" jack-assery"

There I'm totally baiting you with reflective ""nanny nanny boo boo" jack-assery."

Kidding.

Peace bro.

Don't worry. This too shall pass.

"nam-myoho-renge-kyo"

[cbayer]

35. Nicely said. Unfortunately, it will not help.

Some people are here to fight. They go into thread after thread only to engage in the same stupid arguments with the same stupid people. It is their reason for being and they will not listen to you.

They do nothing for their own credibility and even less for their candidate.

But it's nice to know that their are still a few relatively sane people around.

You sound like a really scary guy and I hope I did not do anything that you might interpret as not following your rules.

[Buddyblazon]

36. Well...

link them to this thread.

I am not a vigilante type person. But having viewed this forum and all it's flaming, it's time for the adults to step in and knock some heads.


No...not a scary guy at all. ;)