Dear Wes Clark.... I gave you $1925 in 2004

[Bread and Circus]

I want my money back...or better yet please send a check to:

Obama for America P.O. Box 802798 Chicago, IL 60680

Thank You Gen. Clark

:hi:

[AtomicKitten]

1. Hey, it can't hurt to ask.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. I'm still waiting for my money from Kerry that I sent for Ohio. What a bum!

[bobthedrummer]

3. "The Buying of the President 2004: General Wesley K. Clark"

very interesting archived page from The Center for Public Integrity

http://www.publicintegrity.org/bop2004/candidate.aspx?cid=12

[rndmprsn]

4. classy K&R

[Medusa]

5. How long before we see a "Wes Clark is Dead to Me" thread on DU?

I know he is to me now. Damn shame too. Oh well.

[Big Blue Marble]

18. No we are deeply saddened that this man so many of us

supported and contributed to his campaign has betrayed the party by
saying that the leading candidate is not fit to serve as Commander-In-Chief.
That he would watch the dark and dirty campaign that Hillary is running
and still not only support her but speak so outrageously against Obama.


My heart is very heavy with this news. I have totally misjudged this man.
I thought above all else, he was a decent, fair man. I was wrong.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

30. We tried to tell you!

:D

[Cha]

34. Be nice :)...Imagine

how we'd feel if Dean was doing this? I'd be firing off a letter to 'im, that's for real and let him know exactly what I think of his 1freakin' 80!

[goclark]

39. maybe I should change my name to ... wzgoclark

Let me know of any other names that would let the world know that I didn't know he would do such a thing.

[krkaufman]

42. Yeah, Clark's integrity is being diminished by his association with the campaign.

But his loyalty sure can't be questioned. Loyalty over integrity. Reminds me of something...

[newfie4]

6. Clarkies were the Obamabots of 2004 here, not quite as nutty though

I'm amazed you've turned on your former deity.

[Bread and Circus]

7. I'm amazed he turned his back on his grass roots...

He should have kept his powder dry.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. oh-no - Clark is now being thrown under the bus too?

I don't know why the Obama supporters have turned on him now since I rarely visit this cesspool (GD: Primaries) but there's a lot of dead bodies that have been run over now.

People need to stop this "all or nothing" type mindset.

[Capn Sunshine]

23. unless you are a sock puppet

how exactly would you know this?

[tishaLA]

27. my question too

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

32. 3 days and quite a lip on that one.

Not to mention, everyone knows Deaniacs were the original Obamatronobots.

With a better ending (cross toes, finger rabbit's foot, lick 4-leaf clover).

[PurityOfEssence]

33. Clark supporters made the Deanies look tolerant

There was a great moment one weekend in '03 when a sudden appearance of numerous triumphal Clark supporters had the Dean camp speechless in shock. The scorched-earth triumphalism was filled with the approaches usually taken by reactionaries: calling people "whiners", shouting down any dissent and taunting endlessly. His followers were vehemently anti-Edwards, and there were very few Edwards supporters here in that campaign, so it really stuck in my craw.

So, yes: Deanies were the first bunch of sanctimonious triumphalists, but the Clark-barkers took it to a whole new level of tiresomeness.

At least the thread-starter here has consistency in taste.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

35. Sanctimonious triumphalists?

Hmm, yep. :)

We got our comeuppance, though. :(

But he's running the DNC at an important time. :)

[WCGreen]

8. I want my money back from the Catholic Church...

[high density]

9. What did he do today?

I'm a "Wes Clark Democrat," but needless to say my choice of candidate has diverged from his over the past few months.

[demodonkey]

10. A $1925 donation could = life or death for one of our Election Integrity groups that's struggling...

...now to protect the 2008 Election as best we can.

For example, $2000 would completely pay for one of my counties in PA to keep their Citizen-led Exit Poll project going for November. That's all they need -- $2000 bucks -- and the ongoing data this project has produced has been and is going to be really helpful in challenging these bad, paperless, unverifiable voting machines we still have in Pennsylvania. But if they can't raise the $2000 (and it is hard in small-town PA), the project will have to be shelved this year.

So please people, when donating to these campaigns with hundreds of million$ raised, please think of sending a little something to the Election Integrity organization of your choice too.

Many of our groups are struggling to hang on (especially some of our smaller local and state groups) at a time when we should be flush and preparing to protect and if necessary challenge the November election.

DO IT NOW. December is too late.

Marybeth Kuznik
Director, VotePA
http://www.VotePA.us

[andym]

11. What has he done for you to demand your money back?

All I've heard from him is that he believes that Hillary Clinton is the most qualified to be commander in chief and that Obama's Iraq war plan as stated by Samantha Power is "troubling."

Is that enough for a refund?

[Adelante]

12. I disagree with his choice, too, and his current actions

But you know there is no reason to disrespect General Clark. He has given a great deal to his country and he gave us all he had in 2004. Disagreeing with him is one thing, but I really don't like to see him ridiculed. Just my opinion.

[txaslftist]

13. " "

[Bread and Circus]

14. This is the harshest thing I've ever said about Clark... I even used to run www.michiganforclark.com

back in 2004 too.

This thread is a little tongue in cheek.

[Adelante]

15. I know you did and I honor you for it

It was a wonderful time while it lasted.

[windbreeze]

19. Agreed...it's getting out of hand and beginning to border on ridiculous...

I may not agree with him, right now either, but by god, I'd defend his right to say and do what HE believes in..wb

[mathewsleep]

16. in 2004 i gave time to clark.

i want him to give it back, he needs to go campaign for obama to for me.

[Yurovsky]

20. Cue the Ben Folds ...

"I want my money back, you bitch"

[TheDeathadder]

21. well that's amazing

If you gave Clark $1925 back in 2004, you must have been very up to date on who Clark was, you must have known lots about his 2004 campaign, and you would have known the Clinton were one of his top supporters. So why give him $1925 then but want it back now since nothing about him or his supporters has changed.

When it comes to $2000 you really should be sure you want to donate, Clark has kept his word, so looks like he's going to have to keep the money now too.

[Lena inRI]

22. Neither Clintons endorsed Clark 2004. . .

[TheDeathadder]

25. they didn't endorse anyone

but it was known they were helping him with connections that lead him into the race. The Clintons had promised they would not endorse anyone publicly until someone had won the nomination to keep things fair. They very much though supported Clark, had brought people to Clark to help his campaign, and it was known that Clark and Clintons have been close friends for years. I work for Kucinich in 2004 and a fellow friend and former co-work worked for Clark. The Clintons worked closely with Clark and anyone who were even slightly interested in Clark knew this. It was no secret.

[Lena inRI]

26. How did you work closely with Clintons. . .

. . .to say this?

[TheDeathadder]

36. I said I worked for Kucinich

I knew someone who worked for Clark, as well, Jaime Rubin who was one of the heads of the Clark Campaign is Clinton people, and is now Clinton's foreign policy advisor. This is the Clinton circle, it's known, it's not a secret.

I won't debate this all day, but not sure why someone gave $2000 to Clark without them realizing this. I'm not sure what other questions you want me to answer Lena that common knowledge and watching t.v. back would have told you, this is not some sort of insider secret.

I don't see the point of thread other than someone not wanting to support Clark because he supports the Clintons. Clark has always been with the Clintons...always. He supported them as much in 2004 than he does now. If he won the role of president the Clinton would have been a major part of his white house. This is not opinion, this is fact. He'll tell you this himself you if ever meet him.

[Lena inRI]

37. I was a Clark delegate 2004. . .

. . .and never was I assured that Clark would be a Clinton endorsed candidate, i.e. common knowledge.

We Clarkies knew they were friends but so were other 2004 Democratic contenders.

The POINT of Bread and Circus' demand for her Clark donations is the 180 he has made to endorse Hillary 2008. Read this thorough discussion of Clark's disheartening self-compromise on his 2004 oppositions against IWR and Iran bills which Hillary approved. It's a lengthy thread but only proof of the disappointment Clark has become to many former supporters.

Clark's lost me, big time. And theoretically he owes me more than he owes Bread and Circus, both in $ and principle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4962668

[TheDeathadder]

38. listen

the Clintons lead Clark lead into the race, it's known. He's always been a friend of the Clintons, they've always worked together, they helped him get the people to get his campaign going. The Clintons said from the beginning they would not support anyone until the Primary was over.

Why at a meeting of Clark Delegates would they beat you over the head with "OK let's make this clear - Clark and Clinton are not together - I repeat Clark and the Clintons are not together!!"

I'm sure you were a Clark delegate, but the press knew Clark and Clinton had connections, I knew people who worked for the campaign on day one who knew Clark and Clintons had ties...Clark and the Clintons have a long history together. He did not make a 180 degree turn here. He has always been part of the Clinton circle.

You don't believe me? fine. You could tell me you don't believe me when I say the earth is round. I don't care. I didn't create their history, I didn't make the world round. It's always been that way. He doesn't owe Bread and Circus anything.

That's it I'm done, this thread is lame and I'm not going to defend this non-sense anymore.

Don't believe me. I don't care. It doesn't matter. Clark isn't giving the money back.

[Lena inRI]

40. You still don't get what we're saying. . .

. . .the 180 change for Clark is about his position on IWR and Iran bills that were voted on in Congress. . .not his friendship or connection to the Clintons.

Did you even read the thread I linked you to?

And another thing, if you're a former 2004 Kucinich supporter, why are you in a dither about what Clark supporters have to say about Clark anyway? Who are you to say whether or not Clark gives back the donations? It's easy for you to say no when it's not your money or the pain of our disappointment.

You protesth too much. . .if you are truly just a Kucinich supporter.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Wow. I gave Obama a total of $50--spread out in two installments.

And was pretty proud of myself! I can't imagine giving any politician that high of an amount--they'd better fucking come over to my house and clean my gutters for that!

[Eurobabe]

28. I donated almost $500 and all I got was a lousy campaign

Plus I spent countless hours of my time volunteering in VA, NH. Probably adds up to over 4K in time and effort.

Then Wes endorsed the *******. And I am pissed at Jamie Rubin.

I want a refund too. :mad:

[FrenchieCat]

29. This is not required.

It just isn't. :(

[kaybea]

31. I was a huge Clark fan in 2004; but his endorsement now means

nothing to me one way or the other. It would be like giving his opinion on whether Tide or Cheer is the better detergent.
Who gives a fuck? They both clean your clothes.
And yeah, that's sorta the way I feel about Clinton and Obama. I trust them both to bring sensible SCOTUS candidates to the table, and that's all I expect. From either of them.

[quantass]

41. But..but..but....i heard he needs a new Ivory Back scratcher..on sale for $1925.