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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:00 PM
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This faux outrage by Clinton supporters has me rollin'.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 03:02 PM by Drunken Irishman
I'll be the first to concede Spitzer's actions have nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. She isn't at fault here for a supporter's stupid mistakes. But isn't that pretty much what Obama supporters have been trying to tell Clinton backers when it comes to this whole Rezko issue? So stop acting appalled over the same tactics you employed.
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:02 PM
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1. Yep. Pot, meet Kettle . . . .
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:02 PM
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43. More like "apple...meet orange."
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pbca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:02 PM
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2. Amen n/t
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:02 PM
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3. the nerve of you, pointing out reality
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:03 PM
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4. Read the Rezko trial transcript - he was part of the selection of Levine - a bit different
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:06 PM
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7. Exactly.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:43 PM
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58. Read the BCCI report - There should never have BEEN a Bush2 possible or a 9-11.
No matter how much you pretend otherwise.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:38 PM
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67. John Kerry tried with BCCI - but the media killed it. Latin American drug cartels
finances were not of interest to our media.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:05 PM
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5. Exactly. You hit the nail on the head perfectly. The fact that it's a sex
scandal couldn't be worse for Clinton. It's a bit of a reminder of how nasty and stupid those things can get.

Do we really want to go back to the 90's?
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:10 PM
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12. What does the sex scandal have to do with the Clintons? And what does this have to do with the 90's?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:12 PM
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16. Are you that obtuse and believe your own BS or do you think the rest of us are that dumb?
You, Penn, and Wolfson have a lot to talk about.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:14 PM
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19. No seriously. What does Spitzers sex scandal have to do with the Clintons and the 90's?
Enough one liners, answer me please.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:31 PM
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33. Ultimately Hillary Clinton is not at fault for Elliot Spitzer duplicitous and hypocritcal
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 03:45 PM by Bread and Circus
behavior. Neither is Bill Clinton. In a perfect world, no one would visit derision on the Clinton's because of what he have now just learned.

However, I think a few things can be said:

1.) Hillary, her campaign goons, and the lot of you here have tried to make political hay over a lot of things Obama is not responsible for saying or doing. There may be something to the Rezko story, but in the big picture it's nothing compared to Guistra, Hsu, Marc Rich, Dubai, Saudi, and all the other $$$ related stuff the Clintons are involved in.

But what goes around, comes around. You reap what you sow. You live by the sword, you die by the sword.

2.) "Democrats" here have for years made political hay over every last one of the Republican sex scandals, glad to have put their own "sex scandals" seemingly in the past. What Elliot Spitzer has done is now given fuel to the machine that feeds on this for the other side. This is a big reminder of Bill's Clinton sex scandals and his "enabler in chief" Hillary Clinton. This is bad for Democrats and the last thing we need to be reminded of.

3.) Don't be surprised if Clinton has had more affairs after 2000. And if if he hasn't, don't be surprised if bullshit accusations arise, deserved or not. Elliot Spitzer has just served as a fluffer for the media to go after Bill if Hillary gets anywhere near the White House. If Elliot Spitzer, the anti-prostitution ring buster can be guilty of such a thing, it won't be a hard swallow for the right wing to make Bill has been up to more chicanery.

4.) WE are all tired of the politics of personal destruction and witch hunts, of which the Clinton's have brought to Obama in order to "throw the kitchen sink at him" (their words, not mine). Sex scandals are the height of this and it all serves as a reminder of how ugly the 90's were. The people who suffered were Gore and anyone who happened to be a citizen of George "restore decency to the White House" Bush's America.

The link is spiritual. Not physical.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:41 PM
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57. Great post Bread and Circus..
puts a few things in prespective. I about fainted when I was checking out DU @ work and Everything Spizter took over the screen.

The first thing I saw was "Spitzer endorsed hilary"..I thought, "yeah, I knew that." BFD. And then it was "prostitution, resigning, apologizing to his family ..it's hard to wrap your brain around all that when who you think Spitzer is wouldn't be a part of that.

And the Ignore feature was off so all this CANNED OUTRAGE was pouring off the screen. Testiments of "I will never vote for Obama because of his supporters who link Spitzer and hilary!" But, it was okay to link Obama and Farrakan..right? yeah, right. And this one Ignore had a "picture" of Obama supporters that was a pack of slobbering jackals..but you know how hilary always accuses others of what she's doing.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:14 PM
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20. what a vacuous attack. answer the question. What does Spitzer's prostitute solicitation
have to do with Hillary Clinton?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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24.  Huh?
Blue dresses mean anything to you? do you have selective alzheimer's?

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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:16 PM
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25. what does that have to do with Spitzer soliciting a prostitute?
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:23 PM
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28. The post was in bad taste and I apologize.
I just cant get past the phony outrage I am seeing today, trying to link this to Obama supporters. I have been seeing for weeks the outrageous behavior about the Rezko trial.

Most of us are as shocked as you are about the news. This news does not do the party well. I also feel badly for the Governor's family and what they must be going through.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:27 PM
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31. none necessary to me, although, it's refreshing
I agree with your sentiments about his family.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:32 PM
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34. Did you really just type those words? n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:06 PM
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6. I Have Seen That, Yes
fair point
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:07 PM
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8. Yup... nothing at all to do with Hillary.
The melodrama would be hilarious if it wasn't so tiresome.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:09 PM
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9. If this were Duval Patrick instead of Eliot Spitzer... the Hillbots and their friends in the media..
...would be beating Obama over the head with it.


Deep down they know it. They've done it with Rezko and Farrakhan, so if they tell you differently, they're lying.


THERE IS NO reason to beat Hillary over the head with the Spitzer thing..... EXCEPT TO EXPOSE THE HYPOCRISY OF THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:11 PM
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14. "EXCEPT TO EXPOSE THE HYPOCRISY
OF THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS" Touche! As well as their willful blindness and CULT or lemming-like behavior.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:21 PM
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48. I heard that the prostitutes were Obama sting operatives and ....
Silly. Right?
time for all sane people to leave methinks
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:12 PM
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17. Men. The common denominator is men
Not female candidates for president.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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23. The common denominator is governors of blue states that support the candidate...
....
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:19 PM
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47. too silly for words
....or maybe all democrats are philandering fools. does that work for you?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:52 PM
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61. Yet again
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:09 PM
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10. It goes back to the old axiom
You're known by the company you keep.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:10 PM
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11. I dunno about that. Obama's fundraiser. Questions about the funds raised.
Questions about jobs obtained on his behalf and questions about kickbacks involving campaign funds.

How, again, is Hillary Clinton involved in Spitzer calling a prostitute?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:12 PM
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18. Sounds like a lot of speculative bunk to me.
No one has proven Obama did anything illegal.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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21. trial just started. And, you're pretty naive if you think the legalities are all that matter.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:15 PM
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22. She Works Nights - Ready To Answer The Red Phone At 3 am...
Doesn't look good for Ms. Hilly.


:rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:18 PM
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27. fodder for the jokesters, but most everyone else will leave the blame and responsibility to Spitzer
Jokesters here are yucking it up though.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:41 PM
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38. Stewart, Colbert, Leno, Letterman, Maher & perhaps even SNL
will have a field day.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:48 PM
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41. It's called Guilt by Association. A Hillarite favorite.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:10 PM
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13. Exactly!
:thumbsup:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:12 PM
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15. It's hillarious.
They pretend nothings going on, but if they thought that they wouldn't be so hysterical.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:18 PM
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26. That's nothing. You should have been here last night
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 03:20 PM by Catherina
they were turning in fellow DUers to the FBI and Secret Service for threatening violence to a Presidential candidate by linking to a Mother Jones graphic and using a metaphor about Marie Antoinette. It was surreal. But in this scandal where real women are getting exploited and abused, not a word. There's a core group that doesn't care about women anymore than they care about justice. They're just desperate for control.

The faux outrage and faux sensibilities have me rolling too.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:27 PM
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32. Not a word? Many Hillary supporters said he should resign.
Please do try to keep up
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:36 PM
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36. Yeah, after being called on it.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 03:38 PM by Catherina
There's no outrage towards Spitzer, just venom for anyone who wants to discuss the story while you're trying to sweep it under the rug to minimize its impact.

Please do try not to play games.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:46 PM
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39. Wrong again. They were not hardly called on it.
And where on earth is this freakin rule regarding your 'outrage' pomp? Is that what you Obama supporters think - - y'all have to scream, jump up in the air, fall on the floor kicking, pull out you hair, and act like total two year olds having a temper tantrum?
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:56 PM
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42. When you get past the denial stage, we'll talk
because you're not making much sense. Until then, auf wiedersehen.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM
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44. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:54 PM
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49. Don't ever accuse me of lying
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 05:00 PM by Catherina
Google indexed it 12 hours ago so there are traces left. I have screenshots of the 300 post

HRC supporters; Report VIOLENT & THREATENING POSTS to FBI, SECRET

Fellow HIllary supporters! Why not just abandon this cesspool

Don't accuse me of lying again. Your deliberate obfuscations are a fitting tribute to your candidate.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:26 PM
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29. If Spitzer were to go to trial, I doubt his defense attorney would bring up Hillary's name.
Hillary has not said her association with Spitzer was a boneheaded mistake.

Those who cannot see the significant difference seem to be having a massive brain lapse.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:36 PM
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37. Aaahhhh....the inevitable hairsplitting.
We all know that in the MSM...say it with me: SEX TRUMPS MONEY. And where there's SEX & MONEY, that will keep the 24/7 news media busy right up through the election and beyond. We may even find out some interesting details of what the Big Dawg's been up to for the last seven years. Follow the money. This is going to get interesting.

Sorry but Rezko will, of course, be pushed to the back burner while the media investigates yet another Clinton Sex Scandal connection? I'm so sorry. :cry:
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:48 PM
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40. You are totally off base with your rant.
And having your nose now stuck in Spitzer's zipper does not help, you know.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:54 PM
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50. it's not my nose you have to worry about.........
;-) this just reminds people once again that we're going to be in more of the same, with the Clintons and their surrogates. Oh, and the Saudis as well.
:puke:
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:27 PM
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30. Here's the biggest problem for the Clintons
Its been almost two decades since Bill came into office - so today lots of younger folks don't remember the festering swamp that the Clinton administration became. Yes, Bill did many good things - but he also wasted his last four years in office defending the Clinton's from charges. Some of them were lies - but not all of them. Vince foster, Whitewater, Monica, and of course eyebrow raising pardons at the end of his term in office. Some will cry foul "hey that was Bill!" but trust me - the Clintons don't see the difference. HRC is banking on everyone keeping the past buried. Things like this just dredge it up again. HRC not responsible for Spitzer but the Clintons are responsible for the Clintons. If you think the republicans are going to treat this stuff as ancient history you are wrong. Think of this as a cautionary tale and a forecast of things to come. HRC will not give you health care reform, peace in our time, or anything else because she will be spending 24-7 defending the Clintons - the republicans will make sure of that. The 3 am phone call will come - but it will be their lawyers. "Sorry to bother your Hillary, but I have some more bad news..."
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 03:32 PM
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35. That the Clinton administration became a festering swamp was a wingnut rant.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 03:33 PM by Maribelle
There have been so many dead giveaways on this board, I am amazed that y'all think your still transparent.

Most real Democrats realize the high approval ratings President Clinton had, despite the wingnuts screaming and control of the "librul" media.

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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:33 PM
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56. You're probably right
Do me a favor - come up with a list of 10 really important things the Clinton administration accomplished for America after the Monica story broke. Kinda though. Believe what you want about me, I really don't care, but take a look up this thread (and others like it) see how fast this discussion turns to Bill and Monica. The right wing will have no problem scraping the scab off this wound and keeping the Clintons busy defending the past instead of building our future.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:07 PM
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45. Hang on. . . Vince Foster?
Are you implying his suicide was a lie?
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BlueIdaho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:25 PM
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51. Never!
I am afraid that man sadly took his life for reasons we will never know. Are you unaware that HRC was taken to task for removing materials from his safe after he passed on?
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 04:08 PM
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46. I'm not remotely outraged. I think the Obama posters jumping on this look ridiculous.
:)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:27 PM
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52. The Clintons have no connection to Spitzer's prostitution scandal...
as far as we know.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:28 PM
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53. EXACTLY,WTG.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:29 PM
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54. Though I've Stayed Out Of The Rezko Issue, Comparing These Two As Equal Is Delusional.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:48 PM
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59. True enough
Better to compare Rezco with Hsu, Gupta, Giustra and other Clinton money pals.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:50 PM
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60. That's Much More Valid, I Would Think.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:53 PM
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62. Not delusional, because it's guilt by association.
Unless you find evidence Obama broke a law, tying him to Rezko's crime is essentially guilt by association and nothing else.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:57 PM
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63. Sorry But It Is Delusional. If You Were Able To Think More Than One Level Deep, Maybe You'd See Why
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:35 PM
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64. Saying it over and over again does not make it true.
For the last week we've heard nothing but how Rezko was going to trial. Then we heard about the trial and the only reason it's being posted on here? Because he's a bud of Obama. No one has proven he's done anything wrong here (Obama, that is), so why make it an issue about HIM and not just an issue about Rezko? If it came out Obama did something illegal, then you make it an issue about Obama, however, there is no evidence thus far that suggests this. So these same Clinton supporters bitching about people linking Spitzer and Clinton together are hypocrites because many of them were doing everything in their power to link Obama to Rezko.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:41 PM
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65. You're Right. The Fact That The Details Of The Two Are Completely Incompatible, Makes It True.
But you just go on thinkin that you've got some strong and wise argument there. I'll go on thinking it to be hilarious!

:rofl:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:52 PM
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66. Show me where Obama did anything illegal.
So it's ok to attack Obama on something SOMEONE else did, but it's not ok to attack Clinton on something SOMEONE else did? Regardless of their actions, both Spitzer and Rezko are feeling the heat and neither candidate should be brought down because of their actions.

So keep laughing, I'll laugh when people attach Clinton's name to Spitzer's and you Hill supporters go crazy over it.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 06:32 PM
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55. Wait a week and see what happens on St Paddy's day.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 06:33 PM by Major Hogwash
She'll claim that it was all her cackling that drove all the rats out of New York City.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:44 PM
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68. They're not the same. They just aren't. I assume we all know that on some level.
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Lord Helmet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:54 PM
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69. you have a point
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:39 AM
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70. Your analogy makes no sense.
Rezko was one of Obama's biggest contributors, he has known him for 17 years and had a close relationship with the guy. So close that as recently as 2005 he enlisted Rezko in helping him buy a house that he could ill afford. The $300,000 cut in price and Mrs. Rezko buying the adjoining lot and reselling a portion to Obama is fishy enough to warrant a few questions. Mainly, why would Rezko do so much for Obama? What was he expecting in exchange? If Obama is clean as the driven snow, then fine. If not, we better find out now and not later on in the GE.

As for Spitzer, what does Hillary have to do with him hiring a hooker??????
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71. The Plagiarism Scandal Was Much Worse
Faux indignation is just one of those things Clinton supporters have to come to rely upon for comfort in the cold world.
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