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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:22 PM
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Clinton: What's All This Clinton-Obama Ticket Talk?
Jake Tapper
March 10, 2008 6:12 PM

At Ravello's Café-Pizza in Scranton, Penn., just now, I asked Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., about the talk of a Clinton-Obama ticket, which has been ginned up by her, her husband, and her campaign chairman.

Her answer was quite strange, considering it's been her camp fueling this buzz.

TAPPER: "Senator, how do you reconcile your suggestion that maybe Senator Obama would be appropriate to be on a Clinton-Obama ticket while at the same time you are suggesting that he isn't prepared to be commander-in-chief?"

CLINTON: "Well this thing has really been given a life of its own. You know, a lot of Democrats like us both and have been very hopeful that they wouldn't have to make a choice, but obviously Democrats have to make a choice and I'm looking forward to getting the nomination. And it's premature to talk about whoever might be on whose ticket, but I believe that I am ready to serve on day one."

Bizarre.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/clinton-whats-a.html
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:23 PM
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1. She never actually flat out said she would want him as a VP, did
she?
I would be pretty sure she already has some other people in mind.
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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM
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3. If not her, Rendell and Bill Clinton have pretty much said that, calling the ticket unstoppable
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:36 PM
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37. The Ticket Is Unstoppable.
That's just merely telling the truth.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #37
48. Only Obama should be on the top of the ticket.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:42 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. That's Not Up To You To Decide.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:43 PM
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Actually it is for us to decide, unless super delegates override us.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:45 PM
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51. No, It Isn't For Us To Decide.
Superdelegates are part of it too. Furthermore, since neither of the candidates can reach the delegate threshold on their own, it's already quite known that the superdelegates will have a say in it.

It might make you feel all fuzzy inside to convince yourself that it's up to you, but in reality it really isn't.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Just as much as a candidate can not win without super delegates, neither candidate can win......
without pledged delegates.

I also have faith that the super delegates will go in the same direction that pledged delegates go - no matter who has the most pledged delegates.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:59 PM
Response to Reply #52
53. They May Or They May Not. They Exist For A Reason.
Who they choose to go with, and why that choice is made, is solely up to them. If it was expected that they had to go the way of the pledges, then their entire role is moot and they would cease to have any value in existence. But that's not the case. They do exist, and they exist for a reason. That reason is NOT to just default to the pledge count.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. You just contadicted yourself. Have a good night.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. You Can't Possibly Be Serious ROFLMAO. That Contradiction Is Where Now?
Oh, this one's gotta be good!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:10 PM
Response to Reply #57
59. You obviously do not know why SD's were created. Keep going though, I like when people make.....
asses of themselves.

When you can come back with the full reason why SD's were created, then get back to me.

Once you realize the FULL reason they were designed, you will see how you contradicted yourself.

Goodnight
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:12 PM
Response to Reply #59
61. I Know Full Well Why They Were Created. There Is No Contradiction Anywhere.
So please, show where this magical contradiction is.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #61
62. It's obvious you don't know. Do a little research and then post why the reason behind the rule.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:18 PM
Response to Reply #62
63. LOL You Know You Were Caught, Don't You. Deflect All You Want, But You Posted Something Silly And
I called you on it. Then you've tried to deflect away from your embarrassment by this silly little 'contradiction' think that you've manufactured in your own mind, but doesn't exist in reality. Then, when you can't show where that contradiction is, you take a position of "I'm not tellin!"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Can you possibly look any more silly?

Look, if you're not going to point out the contradiction (which doesn't exist), then there's really not more of a discussion that can be had. Ball's in your court pal! Bet ya you just toss it away though and yell out "I'm not tellin!" LOL. How silly.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:23 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. I challenge you to put up the full reason as to why they were created, it's not to hard... all you..
need to do is google it. Don't delay the inevitable of making yourself look like an ass.

If you don't know make up a reason and then I'll show you how you are wrong.

I just want you to put a reason so I can show you how much of an ass yourself when I show you the real reason.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #64
66. You Don't Get It, Do You. The Onus Is On You.
You made an accusation. You can't back it up. Until you do, your accusation carries no merit and you look monumentally ignorant. You may think your little game is a good way to deflect, but it's fairly transparent. Please, point out for the DU masses where this magical contradiction is that you speak of, ok? If you can't, you can't. I would understand, especially since it doesn't exist. But I'm DYING to see what this magical contradiction is, so that I can laugh my ass of at it and decimate your argument. So come on pal! The onus is on you! Will you continue to let your accusation be viewed as an empty one without merit? Will you continue to look that silly?

Let's see what ya got. For once, FOR ONCE, I'd like to see one of you silly little things back up one of your false accusations. Ahhhhhh, how refreshing that would be. :hi:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #66
68. So you don't know? Is that what you're saying? You put up the reason and I'll show you your....
contradiction.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:40 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Know What The Funniest Part Of All This Is? You're The One Who Made The False Accusation, Yet
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 09:41 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
you're demanding that I have to prove something.

Do you have any idea how stupid that makes you look?

Rest assured, I know exactly why they were created. But that's not quite relevant as it relates to your ignorant and false accusation that I contradicted myself somehow. Your deflections are quite stupid.

This is my last post to you. If you can't point out the contradiction then you have failed yourself miserably, and have been made to look like a fool. This is your last chance to prove any contradiction actually existed at all. Take it and show you have some integrity, or instead choose to blather on again with your hilarious and empty suggestion that I don't know the history of superdelegates (which just about everyone here would know I do, and also know for themselves off the top of their heads by now), thereby proving to us all that you made a false accusation and ignorantly declared there was a contradiction where there was none. You do the former, I'll reply. You do the latter, I leave you as defeated. Last chance pal.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Can't teach a child who refuses to do their homework......
Obama is proven to be more electable than Hillary in a GE, and well within the party ideology.

Tell me; what two criteria are suppose to be used to overturn the pledged delegates as set forth by the McGovern-Fraser Commission?

I gave you the answer, now come up with the question.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:53 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. Just so you remember, this is what you said.....
"Who they choose to go with, and why that choice is made, is solely up to them"
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. And It's 100% Accurate Too. And You've Made Me Laugh My Ass Off Even MORE Now!
I mean, are you trying to imply that there's written in stone criteria they have to use? Are you for real?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #70
72. ROFLMAO!!!! You're Using The Outdated, Created Before The Superdelegates, McGovern-Fraser Commision
as your argument?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. The language hasn't changed, I answered your question, now answer mine......
put up or shut up. The reason never changed.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #73
76. Dude, What Are You Talking About? You Just Made It Obvious That YOU Need The Lesson. Holy Cow!!!!!
Seriously, do you not realize how absolutely off base your reasoning is? Do you have any idea how much more silly you continue to make yourself look now that you've revealed your hand? Oh my God this is too goddamn funny. Talk about irony!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You are too much!

Seriously, please, educate yourself to the history of Superdelegates and what their purpose is. I'm 100% in the right here, and you're not. Please, spare yourself further embarrassment and read up. I implore you. I actually feel a bit bad for you here. I can't stop laughing though! LOL
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #76
78. Taken from the 1982 Hunt commission.....
Super-delegates are designed to act as a check on ideologically extreme or inexperienced candidates. It also gives power to people who have a vested interested in party policies: elected leaders.

This has never been changed.

laugh all you want you ignorant ass. The jokes on you.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:15 PM
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80. Hellooooooooooo!!!!! McFlyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!! That's SUBJECTIVE!!!!!!!
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 10:17 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
Do you have any idea how silly that is as your defense? Do you have any idea how much of a waste of time this all was just to see you post that? Do you have any idea how illogical and unsound your argument turned out to be?

First of all, things evolve. This is no longer 1982. Furthermore, you act as if those are hard written rules with firm definitions and boundaries. They're not. You then think you can use them as such, to imply that the superdelegates have some hard coded rule they must follow in determining who they side with, but that's completely ignorant. In addition, the two 'criteria' you supplied were subjective by their very nature, and open to the interpretation of each individual superdelegate. The laughable part is that these are guidelines, not some test that has to be met. Furthermore, because they are subjective, using them in an argument such as this is ridiculous and really makes you look silly.

At the end of the day, there are two main purposes of the superdelegates, and they are quite straightforward though still up to each to decide on their own. That's to keep some power of the nomination within the control of party insiders, and to do their best to make sure a nominee is selected that can win the GE. That's it. Period. It is up to them to determine that based on whatever criteria they see fit. That's a fact jack. And if they feel that Hillary's winning of the big states, experience and other things make her more likely to be the competent GE candidate, they would go to her in a heartbeat. They'd be well within their rights and intended guidelines to do so.

You have been thoroughly embarrassed here. For real. I'm done playing with you now, since there's nothing more to say. Your argument was squashed and your accusations proven false and ignorant. I leave you as I started with you, which is laughing my ass off.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #80
83. Yeah, I know it was a waste of time becasue your little mind can't wrap itself around what is.......
ethically right and wrong. I just like fucking around with you and watch you act like a little child with your :rofl:.

You're quite amusing and I needed entertaining.

Have a good night.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #83
85. Look. You've Been Thoroughly Decimated Here. Go Lick Your Wounds.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #85
89. What ever helps you sleep at night, look - I have nothing to do for the next several hours....
If you want to continue, then by all means.

You really are amusing and ignorant. I usually don't like to make fun of the ignorant, but you just beg for it.

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #70
74. By The Way: I'm Still Laughing My Ass Off At What Your Thought Process Was This Whole Time.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. It's still the same language that is being used, and was adopted by the Hunt commission. SD;s....
are only suppose to override the pledged delegates based on TWO criteria.


Laugh all you want, but facts are facts.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #75
94. Darling, there is one poster on this board who merits the IGNORE feature IMO
And you've just met him. Do yourself a favor. It works great! No use arguing with a faux-Dem who's only purpose here is to drive serious people up the wall.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #94
103. Honey, If You Paid Attention, You'd See That The Poster You're Talking To Was Decimated.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 11:13 PM by OPERATIONMINDCRIME
He brought nothing to the table, threw out false accusations, made arrogant and cocky assertions, and was shown to be monumentally ignorant to the reality as it relates to superdelegates. Not sure aligning yourself with that works out in your favor at all LOL.

And ya know, for someone who supposedly has me on ignore, you certainly often take an interest in me! Admit it: You have a crush, don't you. :loveya:
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #75
95. LINK:
"...The Democratic Party rules do not use the term "superdelegate". The formal designation (in Rule 9.A) is "unpledged party leader and elected official ("PLEO") delegates".<1> In addition to these unpledged PLEO delegates, the state parties choose other unpledged delegates (Rule 9.B) and pledged PLEO delegates (Rule 9.C).<1> This article discusses only the unpledged PLEO delegates..."
<snip>
"By contrast, unpledged delegates (including all "superdelegates") are selected without regard to their presidential preferences, just by virtue of being current or former elected officeholders and party officials. Many of them have chosen to announce endorsements, but they are not bound in any way. They may support any candidate they wish, including one who has dropped out of the presidential race"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate#_note-1
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #64
99. No, you go first....no, I insist you go first... no, no, after you....
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #99
102. I Smoked Him LOL
I knew if I could tolerate the ridiculousness long enough, eventually I'd get him to reveal his hand and expose his underbelly, so that I could tear him to shreds; which I did.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #102
104. I had to go to bed but I'm proud of you. That stupidity was becoming dangerous.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #53
91. So if they all flood to Obama
that's God's will, right?
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #91
97. Not Sure Of Your Point.
If they all flood to Obama, it would be because they consider him to be the best candidate for the GE, or because there isn't enough difference to override the pledges.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:02 AM
Original message
So you'll have no problem when
Senators Kennedy and Kerry both have to take their state's vote into consideration and throw their support to Hillary? Is that right?
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:02 AM
Response to Reply #51
105. So that's the only hope you Hillarites have...
That superdelegates go against the wishes of the people....

figures...
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #105
108. Well, Since Cacuses Can Go Against The Will Of The People, I Guess You Have No Leg To Stand On.
But thanks for playin...
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #49
109. I can't have an opinion? I thought that was allowed.
If I thought my post was law, I would redo all the republican corporate laws and write in DK as the Pres candidate. Ah, you mean that's not up to me?

Sorry, but come on ... "my place" is not where you are putting me.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #48
98. The race is still going, anything could happen. Obama may not necessarily be the top of the ticket.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #98
110. True, but Obama as nom. would certainly inspire our nation, imo.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #37
79. No Way.... All she does is bring out every repug in the world to vote against her.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #37
88. Not due to anything brought by Hillay, that's for sure
:eyes:
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. Did you miss
her comment about being able to vote for both of them?
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. I this point it does not matter
He will be her VP or she will be his. All depends on what side wins the back room deal.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. I disagree... There is no way in hell this would happen from either of these candidates...n/t
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
38. I think you are right.
It appears that is what the majority of democrats want that to happen, particularly Clinton supporters.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/104887/Clinton-Supporters-Favor-Quick-Creation-Dream-Ticket.aspx
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
27. she said "be able to vote for both of us" and then Bill said " on the same ticket",
Lets not play these silly games again...


Remember how foolish she looked up on stage claiming "I never said Reagan" over and over again. Like not saying the name made a difference.


Is that the President you want? I never said "Fuck the Constitution" just words to that effect
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:43 PM
Response to Reply #1
50. No. But the plan is to put into voters minds that they can have both
That was the Clinton Campaign's strategy
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:24 PM
Response to Original message
2. Very bizarre. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM
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4. Yeah, it was fucking bil clinton who was
floatin' that turd. No way NO how would Obama have hilary anywhere near his campaign ticket.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:27 PM
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10. She started it, Bill ran with it
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:29 PM
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17. She was floating it in at least one speech I saw on the telly.
Something like, "a lot of you wish you could vote for both of us. Well that might be possible," applause.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:32 PM
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28. So now she's floatin' that Obama
is a liar and she's never heard of the idea.

I can't wait until someone gets the hilary hook.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:33 PM
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30. Obama slapped it down earlier today
just before the Spitzer thing broke.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:25 PM
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90. see.. in their world, they "win" either way
BHO says nothing, and it's assumed that he's ok with it

He SAYS something, and they "don;t understand what all the fuss is about" wink-wink

and either way, they have him off message, because in scenario #1, the PREESS hounds him about it..and in scenario#2, they claim they don;t know anything about it, and HE's the one making shit up

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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:40 PM
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39. What she said was,
That might be possible one day, but not today. Today I need your vote.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:43 PM
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42. Not in the clip I saw, but I'll take you at your word.
:evilgrin:
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:47 PM
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45. That's very civil of you! Thank you.
That hardly ever happens around here.

:hi:
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:27 PM
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92. Remember when Mom said "There's ice cream for dessert, but for NOW, eat your liver & onions"
bet you kept thinking about that ice cream ..:evilgrin:..

Clintons do NOTHIING that is not well choreographed..
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:48 PM
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101. Always a class act.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:25 PM
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6. She can't help but lie and treat the electoriate like we're a bunch of rubes.
That isn't my turnip truck outside Senator.

This is exactly the type of bullshit politics I'm sick of and am ready to see changed.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:26 PM
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8. They are running the strangest campaign I've ever seen
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 07:27 PM by Cali_Democrat
bunch of odd balls
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:30 PM
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21. Let's hope this is all being taken down
and put in a book so everyone in the future can see what exactly miss hilary thought she had to do to get back to her white house..with her on top this time.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:26 PM
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9. She said it Mississippi. I heard her. So she must have had a blackout.
Sad.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:08 AM
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106. Since she's on camera 24/7
I'm sure you'll have no problem backing up your memory.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:27 PM
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11. That is just strange...
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:27 PM
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12. Do the Clintons think there is no such thing as videotape?
or are they claiming now that our eyes/ears are lying to us too?
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:35 PM
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34. These are the same people who say that some states don't count, and that math is silly
Its entirely possible that they don't know about videotape.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:28 PM
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13. You assume she won't say or do absolutely anything that seems to be to her advantage at the time
She doesn't consider the repercussions

She doesn't consider continuity

She doesn't consider morality


She just says or does whatever seems to give her a momentary advantage. She clearly is not ready to be CIC.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:28 PM
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14. Is the Clinton Campaign gone completely surreal now?
Twilight Zone material:

After two weeks of both Bill and Hillary Clinton talking on camera multiple times about Barack Obama being on their "ticket", today she remarks without question or pause the following: "it's premature to talk about whoever might be on whose ticket." --- Hillary Clinton.

Duuhhhh....OK.....
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:28 PM
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15. Wow....
...like a psychotic break! :crazy:
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:30 PM
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18. "We may go after pledged delegates. No we won't. Yes we might.
Who knows?

:crazy: :shrug:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:30 PM
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19. Schizo...!
Sorry, you would have to be suffering huge shot-term memory loss not to know her campaign has been raising the issue for days. I find her 'who, me?' response to this somewhat bizarre.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:21 PM
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86. Well, given she doesn't acknowledge that which she has previously posited ...
... one *does* have to wonder whether she's not beginning to suffer a psychological break under the duress of a losing campaign. That might also begin to explain how the losing candidate would think they're in any position to offer another the VP slot.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:30 PM
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20. Hillbots to join the thread and claim she never said it in 3......2......1.....
....
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JKaiser Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:30 PM
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22. She is doing this cuz the people in Miss. mainly the African American crowd won't feel like..
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 07:37 PM by JKaiser
they are betraying their race by voting for her.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:31 PM
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23. I honestly believe that she has
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:31 PM
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24. It is just another silly Clinton trick.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:31 PM
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25. It was an unfortunate attempt to position Barack in second place
It backfired on them big time... BAMA!!!
it put an especially big bright light on the fact that Obama is indeed winning !
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:31 PM
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26. she's the queen of circumlocution, i'll give her that
not that it's a "virtue"
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:32 PM
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29. I think she means, "Obama said no way jose and Bill said I should drop it"
Or maybe she's just been hitting the sauce.
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:33 PM
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31. it is true, and i have heard hillary say this before and more than once,
" it's premature to talk about whoever might be on whose ticket." so while the media was going wild with hillary offering the VP slot to baracka, i was wondering where in the blazes are they getting this from...and in the meantime, i am so glad to hear baracka has declined any possible offers, real, imagined, or press fabricated to accept the VP slot on a ticket with hillary. Now she is free to not even offer it to him when she clinches the party's nomination to run against mccain.

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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:34 PM
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32. Bwahahaaaaa
McClinton is McScrambling. Obama out maneuvered them on their strategy, now Hillary is stuttering.

"What, who me? Suggested that Obama should quit the race he is winning to gravel for a chance to be my VP? I have no idea what you're talking about."

:rofl:


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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:35 PM
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33. That's pretty consistently been her stance.
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 07:36 PM by cbayer
I don't know about "her camp fueling the buzz", but I have consistently heard her take the above position and today she used the word "premature". The closest I have heard her come to suggesting this is when she said that many people wanted to vote for both of them and that someday that might be possible, but not now.

Gallup polls and others show that it is a very popular idea, particularly among Clinton supporters.
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:36 PM
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35. wtf kind of a response was that??
she really dodged the question... and I still have no idea what she meant.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:36 PM
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36. BACKPEDDLING
Engines Full reverse...engage spin machine!
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:42 PM
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40. The woman is suffering from psychosis
I cannot in my life imagine a worse democrat to have in the white house. I really don't know if I could sleep with her itchy trigger finger on the red button.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:42 PM
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41. Someone needs to Photoshop a 'Mobius Rhetoric' award
GW Bush & co. would have won it most often up until this campaign season, but Hillary is getting very competitive.
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:44 PM
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43. I find it interesting that no one responding has actually
posted a link showing that she has in fact had any other position than the one stated in the OP.

BTW, I am a supporter of both candidates and would love to see an eventual ticket with both of them on it.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:06 PM
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56. this is getting tiresome - do we have to prove every fucking lie is a lie, day after day?
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 09:07 PM by Stephanie
How about asking us for evidence when she tells the truth? that would be less time-consuming. here is your link.

http://wcbstv.com/video/?id=110048@wcbs.dayport.com
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:46 PM
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44. I don't want her anywhere near the red phone.
How she could say that its been given a life of its own after she and Bill pushed the idea for days is beyond me. Does she not realize everything she and Bill said has been aired repeatedly on television? I mean, :wtf:

You're not fooling anyone, Hillary.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:54 PM
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46. I think the Daily News has the answer..
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:56 PM
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47. There sure are a lot of psychiatrists in the room.
C'mon you guys.

Blackout?

Psychotic break?

Schizo?

Multiple Personality Disorder?

Hitting the sauce?

Suffering from psychosis?

And still no links showing that she ever said anything different than that stated in the OP.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:08 PM
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58. honest to god are you reality challenged? she has said it over and over >
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 09:08 PM by Stephanie
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:26 PM
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65. I'm not sure why you feel the need to talk to me that way.,
but I guess you do.

I heard the clip. She says "That may be where we are headed, but we would have to decide who is on the top of the ticket."

They are both in a really tough position where this issue is concerned. They both have to walk a fine line ruling it out completely and endorsing it.

My point is that it does not contradict the statement highlighted in this OP.

BTW, I am a supporter of both candidates and in strong favor of a unified ticket.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:21 PM
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84. because your post struck me as just as disingenuous as Clinton's remarks above
Seriously, it has been all over the news for the past WEEK that both Bill & Hillary were touting this "dream ticket" - and you are expressing the view that nobody has proven she ever said it? Give me a break.

1000 Stories about Hillary floating the "dream ticket"
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:46 PM
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100. I am not disingenuous, I just react to statements made without clear basis in fact.
And I think this story is being spun in a disingenuous fashion.

I really do appreciate the links, just respectfully disagree with your take on them.

No harm, no foul.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:00 PM
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54. It's just amazing. She really does think we are stupid.
Her dishonesty is just stunning.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:11 PM
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60. What a fucking embarassment she is. Is she that arrogant or is she senile or is she really just
nucking futs??!! One can't help but wonder. What a freakin lunatic.. how can anyone take her seriously??!!

I look at chyte like this and think, OMG.. the whole campaign is just satire, its a joke and we all fell for it.

And for those fucking idiot followers of hers ON THIS thread, claiming she never said it.. sick sick sick.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:29 PM
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67. She and her husband have long ago become estranged from the truth
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:17 PM
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81. this woman sounds positively bushian
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:18 PM
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82. Wow. Kudos to Tapper for daring to question her. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:22 PM
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87. Classic passive-aggressive approach
:rofl:
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:28 PM
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93. Good God it's like a five year old who just broke a lamp
And they're the only one in the room.

"I didn't do it."

JEESUS, what teh hell is wrong with them?
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 10:33 PM
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96. Does she have political tourrette's syndrome?
She's giving ME tourettes!! I was against Barack before I was for him, but NO wait!! I was for him, then I was against him.

Oh ferchrissakes, I can't even keep it straight anymore. Guess Barack's resounding SCREW YOU got through to her and Bill. :shrug:
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salbi Donating Member (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:12 AM
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107. She never REALLY planned on making him her VP. It was a way to get his votes.
Her acting like she never made the offer is what we would have seen later if her tactic would have worked. She'll pick her own VP if it comes down to it, and it won't be Obama.
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