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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:34 PM
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In better days at DU, I could have made this observation without getting flamed
but, what the hell, I'll make it anyway. Has anyone but me noticed that Senator Clinton seems to have trouble climbing stairs?

Now, this is absolutely NOT a bar to being President but I am wondering if it's fatigue, osteo arthritis or what.

I admire her for wearing heels since I've thrown all of mine away, but I have watched her haul herself up some of these stairs to speaking platforms and I sympathize and certainly can relate. I'm her age and can't imagine keeping the schedule she keeps.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:37 PM
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1. Why do you hate America?
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:40 PM
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8. I don't know...I just don't know! :-)
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:00 PM
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27. lol
:rofl:
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:37 PM
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2. No flame here
I haven't noticed but will watch in the future.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:38 PM
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3. Because it is tough for her to reach higher ground?
:shrug:
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:39 PM
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5. Ding ding -- We have a winner!!!
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:38 PM
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4. I noticed that tonight!
they showed video of her with Spitzer and some other pols on the state house steps of NY I guess--not sure--but there were a bunch of stairs and she seemed to be moving pretty slowly down them. I have knee problems myself so I wondered if there were some issues there with her.
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:48 AM
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37. I noticed her looking down at the stairs as she went up them at her Ohio speech.
I wondered then if she was having some troubles because she certainly didn't bound up them steps.

I love my gal anyway and am amazed at her stamina. I, myself, struggle after about 50 steps and I'm 15 years younger than her. I would look like absolute shit if I endured the hours she is putting in and, to me, she still looks beautiful each day.

What else can we pick on?
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littlebit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:39 PM
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6. It looks like
her knees are bothering her. I know mine get to bothering me after a few long days. I can't imagine how bad hers are feeling.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:39 PM
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7. No, I've not noticed that.
Not a flame or snark; I just haven't noticed it.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:40 PM
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9. Then why do you bring up the subject?
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:41 PM
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11. Well, I was curious if anyone else saw this...that's all. n/t
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:41 PM
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10. You're not getting enough attention at home?
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:42 PM
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13. Only from the dogs these days!
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:42 PM
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12. Maybe she's worn out from throwing that kitchen sink!!!!!!!!!
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:43 PM
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14. I am alerting your hate to the FBI
:P

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:43 PM
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15. Are you suggesting that she lacks momentum?
The preceding comment replaced the much cattier & less constructive snark that first popped into my head.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:45 PM
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18. Obviously, nobody's noticed this...or they don't give a damn!
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:44 PM
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16. I had not noticed but I will try to pay attention the next chance I get
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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:44 PM
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17. too much
junk in her trunk.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:46 PM
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19. I Actually Haven't Noticed At All, But I'm Gonna Keep My Eyes Peeled And See If I Notice.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:47 PM
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20. And if it's true what then!!!!!
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:48 PM
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22. Ice packs and aspirin? Sympathy? An answer to my question?
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:59 PM
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26. Would you have raised the question about FDR?
If she were applying for any other job in the US, the employer would not be permitted to raise this question.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:07 PM
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30. Well, I think the Press kept the fact of FDR's "condition" away
from the public...an amazing feat when you think about it. These days, there is nothing private about these people. I wonder if FDR would have been elected had people known. There was a huge fight some years ago about releasing FDR's last records of a physical exam the was conducted at the Lahey Clinic in Boston. Supposedly, the Docs knew what bad shape he was in...this was just before his last election...they did not disclose it.

While I'm free associating about FDR, there was a clip on NPR of a Fireside Chat he gave after the bank crisis during the depression where he urged people to put their money back in the banks rather than under their matresses. Obviously people listened to him. I couldn't help but think how little credibility GW Bush has and how useless he is in this economic crisis.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:47 PM
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21. it could be just plain fatigue
I doubt many of us could keep up with her current schedule
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:51 PM
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23. Yes. When I watched her tonight I had a sense of that. It must be
almost unbearable, and I mean this sincerely, for all of these candidates. I can't imagine that they get much sleep or that, when they do, they sleep very well. There really should be a better, more human, way to do this!
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:08 PM
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31. I'll be 51 this month
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 08:09 PM by Skittles
I work 12 hour shifts at night and every so often work 10 nights straight - I can tell you that no matter how much sleep I get, my body just starts getting a heavy feeling - like it's telling me to SLOW THE HELL DOWN! It's just kind of a weary feeling and I am in very good shape. I don't know how HRC and Obama do this, knowing the next fight will be even harder :o
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:11 PM
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32. You have described it perfectly...it's a heavy feeling that I see
and empathize with. And no end in sight for these guys!
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:57 AM
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38. stop working so hard!
are you a nurse, skittles?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:53 PM
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24. Did it ever occur to any of you that she is being extra careful to not trip?
The cameras are rolling all the time. I would make sure I will not trip.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 07:57 PM
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25. No, I had not thought of that and you could be right. I'm not sure
if I'd rather trip going up or going down! Imagine, having your every move filmed and watched!
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:07 AM
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46. I think that is it.
If she fell it would be replayed nine bazillion times, like when that candidate fell off the stage that time. Was that Bob Dole? I can't remember.

After a certain age, you start being more careful, too. I tripped on a curb and fell sprawling last year, and besides it being incredibly embarrassing, I was bruised and sore like you wouldn't believe.
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CookCountyResident Donating Member (209 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:06 PM
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28. I'm not good on stairs...
wearing heels either. I tend to take my time, for a variety of reasons. Balance, knees being stiff from sitting too long or legs tired from standing too long (take your pick).


Going upstairs is easier than going downstairs.


Now... if she was having trouble going upstairs, it's probably a fatigue issue more than anything.

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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:07 PM
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29. I hadn't noticed
but I know that I have abit of knee trouble. While going up and down stairs isn't a problem for me sometimes just getting up from crouching down is a killer. :-(
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:16 PM
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33. And, while I'm at it, another thing that would drive me nuts or
definately fatigue me, is people constantly talking at me, giving advice, telling me what I should do. All the political operatives trying to get my ear. Awful! Then you hear that one or another of them takes "time off the campaign trail"...I don't think there can be such a thing.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:05 AM
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34. I First Saw Her Skipping Down A Flight Of Granite Stairs
She visited our State Capitol Building in Annapolis, Maryland during Bill's first campaign, circa early 1991. The speaker's podium was set up about halfway down the rear entrance, a daunting, shallow-stepped, multi-leveled cascade of about, oh, 50 steps. I was a journeyman legislative staffer still paying my dues in shoe leather and forced to use them several times daily running documents back and forth from offices to chambers, trying to avoid the bottlenecked tunnels and elevators where the lawmakers themselves traveled. I didn't take those awful stairs myself, and slowly in flats, without great forethought and a prayer thrown in for good measure. Heck, the only thing worse than coming down that precipice was climbing up.

But here she comes, tra-la, wearing a purple skirted suit, with her long, blonde hair in a black headband, lightly tripping in "sensible" demi-pumps, barely looking down, smiling broadly all the while.

I remember cattily critiquing: she should never wear skirts, purple is not her color, and her legs are like the marble columns under the portico up there, but she's in great shape to bounce down those stairs like that. Then she opened her mouth and completely blew me away. This is not your average political wife, I thought. I was impressed enough by her to take a second glance at her husband. And then vote for him, at least the first time, more on her merits than his.

Looking back through the prism of memory, she did seem so very fresh, energetic and young. Any comparisons to now have to be viewed as unnecessary and pointless conjecture, unless you are seeking to imply that she is either too old or physically unfit for office.
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Mother Of Four Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:29 AM
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35. The OP may just be concerned about her you know...

People seem to forget these candidates are human, even though I don't support HRC I wouldn't wish joint pain on anyone. I had it with my last pregnancy in my knees and hips before I even hit 12 weeks along.

I certainly hope she really is trying not to trip, or tired instead of something being wrong like arthritis :(

There is a GIANT difference betweeen not liking a person's attitude or presentation, and wishing them harm or hoping they are in pain.

Please keep that in mind?

Thanks
:hi:
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:17 AM
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39. Nope. She's neither too old nor too infirm. I just noticed this
and thought I'd ask. I'm her age with some back and knee problems but my mind is still pretty damn sharp or so I'd like to think.:)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:31 AM
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36. I'm far more concerned about her fat ass & piano legs...
aren't you as a woman :eyes:
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:18 AM
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40. Please leave my party. Pretty please?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:25 AM
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43. Oh, so it's *your* party after all...
I can only hope that you'll come back in behind and tell all the BO supporters to stop posting and then kicking trash all over *my* country.
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:19 AM
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41. I guess Dancing with the Stars is out for her after Obama wins the election.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:26 AM
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42. Ooof eerie.. I just read an article the other day about "people our age"
and their "balance issues".. I am 58, and I find myself grabbing railings more and unconciously putting my hand on walls.. I never noticed it until I read that..

and maybe she does have some arthritis in her knees..
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:28 AM
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44. Could be fatigue..
they hardly get any sleep and the campaigning is grueling but she is around 14 years older than Obama.

Or it could be arthritis.

Or like me, she could have some torn cartilage in her knee. For me, it hurts a lot to climb lots of stairs with my knee messed up the way it is.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:31 AM
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45. I yell at my mother for wearing heels everywhere
Okay, so she's only 5'1. But she is the same age as Hillary (60) and has a bum knee. She used to have her own business and made dolls and crafts and all the sewing wore out the cartilage in her knee. Still, she insists on wearing those damn heels. I hope Hillary does not have knee problems. I know from my Mom that it can be pretty painful at times.
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