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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:11 PM
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An Ugly Moment for the Clinton Campaign
An Ugly Moment for the Clinton Campaign

By David Corn | March 10, 2008


On Friday afternoon, the Clinton campaign took the unusual step of convening a second conference call of the day for reporters. And it was a sorry spectacle.

What had prompted the call was the report that Samantha Power, who that morning had resigned as a foreign policy aide to Barack Obama after a news story noted she had called Hillary Clinton a "monster," had told the BBC, during an interview, that Obama's withdrawal plan for Iraq was a "best-case scenario." In that interview, she said, Obama "will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator."

On the conference call, the Clintonites pounced on these comments. Retired General Wesley Clark said he found Power's remarks about Obama's Iraq policy "quite disturbing." Jamie Rubin, a Clinton foreign policy aide, derided Power as Obama's foreign policy "Svenagli or guru" and claimed her remarks about Iraq were proof that Obama cannot create an efficient and effective foreign policy team, calling the episode "amateur hour" for the Obama campaign. He claimed Power's comments showed that Obama's private position was different than his public posture on Iraq. Howard Wolfson, the campaign's communications direction, insisted that Power's statements meant that Obama's vow to withdraw troops from Iraq was nothing but a political promise. Also on the call for the Clinton campaign was Lee Feinstein, another foreign policy adviser to Clinton, and Representative Jim McGovern, a Massachussetts liberal and leading member of of the Out of Iraq caucus in the House.

This was overkill. During the BBC interview, Power had said that Obama, in removing troops from Iraq, "will rely upon a plan--an operational plan--that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president. So to think--it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, 'Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.'" In other words, a campaign proposal is just that: a proposal. And only a fool would think that a military plan would be applied to reality without change a year after it was devised.

But the Clintonites campaign saw an opportunity to go for the jugular. And they did--jumping up and down on Power's not-yet-cold dead (politically, that is) body. On the call, I wanted to ask, "Have you no decency?" I did inquire why the Clinton crowd was attacking Obama for a policy that in this regard mirrors Clinton's position. (Her plan for withdrawal: get into the White House, spend the next 60 days consulting with national security aides and Pentagon chiefs, and cook up a plan for a withdrawal that would aim to bring back one or two combat brigades a month.) Rubin and the others replied by emphasizing Power's statement that Obama's plan--and his call for a withdrawal within 16 months--was a "best-case scenario. They insisted this meant Obama was not committed to his deadline and was, consequently, misleading voters.

Their repsonse was not persuasive--at least not to NBC News' Andrea Mitchell, who asked them to explain why this attack on Power and Obama was "fair."

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http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/davidcorn/2008/03/an-ugly-moment-for-the-clinton.html
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:13 PM
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1. ...Just one more to add to the list of MANY. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:15 PM
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:10 AM
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29. And many will even go so far as to give-up corn in their diet. n/t
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:33 PM
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3. Most folks will read this and wonder what's so ugly about drawing distinctions
. . . between herself and her rival. :shrug:
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:45 PM
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5. That's just it. What distinction?
Do you think it's an hosest policy discussion to just twist words around in order to try and play "gotcha?"

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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:43 AM
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22. Hillary certainly doesn't get it
Nothing is out of bounds as far as she is concerned, even if it takes down the entire party and/or gets McCain elected president.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:44 PM
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4. The O-bots can't have it both ways, no matter how good the Kool-Aid tastes
Most Obama supporters came to him because he claims to be "anti-war," and because he didn't have to vote on the the IWR. He has SAID he wants to get the troops out.

Now, it appears that he's waffling on it. You don't waffle on policy. What's going to happen, anyway? We all know that as soon as we pull out of Iraq, the place goes to shit (not like it's nto shit already). The civil war that we're in the middle of will simply heat back up again.

We all knew that LONG AGO. Yet most of us still want to get out, and the sooner the better. But according to Ms. Power, that POLICY is malleable, depending on the situation on the ground.

No, policy is policy. Obama can't say next year, "Well, we have to slow down the withdrawal, because the place will go to hell if we pull out." Hell, we all knew that two years ago or more.

So which is it, Obama?

Bake
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:05 PM
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7. The Kool-Aid Tastes Better Than That Warm Lemonade HRC Has You Swallowing...
Obama has always said he would be as careful getting out of Iraq as Bu$h was careless when going in. Nothing that Power said is any different from that.


Hint: It's not really lemonade either.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:54 AM
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26. LOL!!

snowcone anyone?

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:25 AM
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10. Do you have a crystal ball? Does Obama? How does anyone know
what the situation will be in 09? How can you not have a malleable policy if you don't know what you'll be up against? Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in fantasy land, but the Clintons tried to use it as a weapon, even while they're in the same boat.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:29 AM
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11. Then he should stop promising at election rallies that he will.
No, he can't.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:33 AM
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13. Obama will confer with intelligent people on the best approach

He's open to better ideas. What's wrong with that? It's called diplomacy.
Something Hillary lacks in her secretive ways. This is why Obama is the
obvious choice when it comes to the "red phone".
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:45 AM
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16. Then he should confer with them now instead of trying to make political points over a war.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:00 AM
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19. Nonsense
1. he is not president --> he does not have access to all the information now
2. the situation now is not the same as the situation roughly one year from now --> what he claims now is his overall strategy, the specific tactical implementation will have to be decided upon later.

All this is common sense, and Clinton very well knows it. Cheap political shots, nothing else.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:41 AM
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21. 1.Therefore he should say he doesn't know and stop making false and misleading promises.
2. No shit.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:48 AM
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24. Very enlightening
especially the answer to my 2nd point. Enjoy the rest of your day.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:53 AM
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25. Now I must ponder this substantive response the rest of my day.
:dilemma:
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:02 AM
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20. He doesn't have an administration yet

He'll get to that. First he has to shake off Hillary.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:37 AM
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14. I can say the same thing about Clinton's '60 days'. How does
she know what she'd do? She doesn't.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:46 AM
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17. You could, but that doesn't excuse Obama.
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SaveOurDemocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 08:48 PM
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6. Did anyone else catch Andrea Mitchell's OOPS
on MTP Sunday morning ... where she said 'Billary', instead of Hillary, and had to scramble to cover it up?

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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 09:15 PM
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8. Good. Hillary is criticizing Obama for having a sensible and realistic foreign policy.
+ for Obama.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:13 AM
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30. Right. But the campaign ploy is ...
... create the perception of Obama as saying one thing on the campaign trail, but intending to do otherwise ...

... and then jam as many issues as possible into this frame, regardless of how dishonest one must be in representing reality.
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:19 PM
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9. Lets face it....it's just an ugly campaigne nt
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:29 AM
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12. ...run by ugly people n/t
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:54 AM
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27. I believe it's being run ugly in hopes of splitting the party corporates v progressives.
I'm often reminded the the GOP in some of the tactics used. This "kitchen sink" approach of attempting to discredit the other Dem and benefit the McCain is about the worse I've seen.

I WILL VOTE A WRITE IN DEM BEFORE I EVER VOTE FOR HRC! EVER!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:40 AM
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15. If a candidate for president issues a proposal during the campaign,
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:41 AM by Vinca
but when elected the conditions have changed, wouldn't it be incompetent to continue with the original plan? Any idiot can figure this out. One of the biggest problems with the Clinton campaign is their assumption all Americans are morons.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:54 AM
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18. Not any idiot judging from some responses here; then again,
common sense seems to be in short supply. Cheerleading one's candidate is all well and good, but to diss another for showing good judgment is now wrong. Up is down, left is right...:crazy:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:44 AM
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23. . . . 2009! . . . maybe . . . perhaps . . . depends . . . .
:silly:
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:56 AM
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28. I'm not certain if I understand how this was unfair?
Power's statements were contrary to Obama's stance, she is, or was, a surrogate of his campaign and the Clinton camp needed to address the inconsistency in his campaign. Obama has been repeating obfuscations about Hillary's stance on NAFTA, the IWR vote and healthcare as well as accusing her of using Republican tactics but Hillary can't point out a mistake from his camp? Again, I'm not certain how this is unfair?

We are talking politics here folks.

Oh, and I love the "kitchen sink" rheotoric - what exactly did the kitchen sink turn out to be? Not much. If Obama can't take this, he should be out of the race:
1) Pointing out the NAFTA memo - which, folks, was a real memo and Obama's mistake, 2) she went on late night TV and showed she was able to laugh at herself and the world, 3) ran the 3 am ad which asked the question, who is ready on Day 1, 4)pointing out that Obama is, as the Chicago Tribune puts it, "mortal".
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:19 AM
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31. Andrea Mitchell is one of the biggest Clinton haters there is, on MSNBC
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