Why not a Mail in Revote in FL and MI?

[democraticscapegoat]

Everyone would be sent out a ballot. It would cost ALOT less. EVERYONE would be allowed to vote. (much different than those unamerican Caucuses that excludes Shift workers, old people, sick people, imobile people)

Wouldnt Obama and Clinton be up for a plan that would allow the most to vote? Or would only Clinton be up for it? And why?
hmmmmmmmmm

[Hawkeye-X]

1. Actually it'll be TWICE as expensive..

Think about the postage and the paper wasted....

Besides, Hillary is not allowing it, so the issue is mostly dead (with a Miracle Pill avaliable from Miracle Max)

[democraticscapegoat]

4. postage and paper wasted......

your fuckin kidding huh? How about all the Gas wasted on people having to drive? What about the enviroment?

One side doesnt want this and it aint Clinton!

[Hawkeye-X]

8. No, it's Clinton that doesn't want it.

She won in name recognition alone. She is still fighting a losing battle to try to reseat those delegates, which are not going to happen. As a matter of fact, DNC has not made hotel reservations for the FL delegates, and have cancelled the MI delegates' reservations at the Red Lion Inn near Invesco at Mile High (which is about 2 miles from the Pepsi Center)

[Yes We Did]

2. Can we say "Voter Fraud?"

He would have to be off his damned rocker to agree to that.

Tell me, how many letters has the post office lost on you?

How often is you mail late?

How often is your mail damaged?

Not a chance!

[yourout]

5. I can already see the Rush Limpdick vote for Hillary parties.

[daelin]

13. box

How much mail has the Postal Service lost? Pay for a Post Office box and then count the number of letters that get mis-sent to you.

My mail is often late.

This is an incredibly stupid idea. The easiest thing to do is to swallow their pride and just count the votes in the election that already occured. How can you take a party seriously when they vote and THEN are going to "re-vote" just because it was close? If it weren't close, they wouldn't care.

Florida messes up another election. Great job! Now the DMC wants to create an entity to count all the absentee votes. How are they going to work when in power if a state doesn't abide by their rules? There are no do-overs in voting. You get a day to vote and then that's it. You can't come back later on when it's a close race and RE-VOTE. You guys couldn't figure it out in 2000. Votes were being thrown away for overseas votes because of petty reasons while hanging chads were considered OK. It's punching a hole in paper. If you can't figure that out (and I lived in LA county in California..... it's not that hard), you're too stupid to do it. Learn from your mistakes and work harder to get it right.

[txaslftist]

27. It wouldn't matter.

There's no way he does much worse in FLA and MI than 40%, and with his lead, that's peanuts. There would be no question of legitimacy going into the convention, and his win would be cleaner. I think this is a good idea. Give team Obama two weeks to outclass the usual Hillary dinosaurs on the ground and he'd probably take FL and MI, too.

[yourout]

3. Here is one big problem........you cant vote in both the Republican and Democratic primary and.....

how do you know who has already voted?

[democraticscapegoat]

6. uh voting records......

and by the way, would allowing refugs crossing over help obama?

Why gripe?

[peace13]

9. Do election laws mean anything to you?

We need to stick to the rules here!

[democraticscapegoat]

11. Do rules mean anything?

Did any other state move their dates up any? Why were they not penalized? Do you not understand Thousands of Democratic voters will be soo pissed that their votes wont be heard they will stay at homw come November.

Can we have that?

[peace13]

22. When I have a grievance I take it to the streets.

Did you see any of the MI or FL people get off of their butts and do anything. Did they have a mass write in or stand up so to voice their concerns? The time to sit on our butts is over, OK. The rules were in place months before the election.

[wileedog]

7. Its not that simple

Who counts the votes? Who verifies the accuracy? What is the audit process?

You are talking about potentially 2-3 million pieces of paper per state to be sorted through, check, tabulated and rechecked with a sound system to prevent fraud.

Its not like organizing the local bowling league.

[fadedrose]

10. In the case of Michigan, can we trust

the elected officials who are ALL HRC supporters to count the votes honestly? From past performance, they're either too dumb or dishonest.

These are the people who didn't know that in order to have a primary, you need candidates. When 5 asked to be dropped from the ballot, that didn't stop Michigan from going ahead with the primary. They just figured that it would be more votes for Hillary. They screwed the people once and who's to say they won't try it again?

[democraticscapegoat]

14. Now You have a ligitimate argue

That is why it needs to be closely regulated by both parties and with all eyes on these two states their will be alot less hanky panky going on.

Their is ALWAYS wrong doing going on with elections. Just look at texas with all the obama mischief. It goes on no matter what.

[high density]

12. It sounds like some parts of Florida are already set up with mail ballot systems for absentee voting

http://www.topix.net/content/trb/2007/09/reliavote-automated-system-makes-debut

[democraticscapegoat]

15. your are correct

!

[spin]

19. Absentee ballots work well in Florida...

I have used them to vote in the last several elections.

I used one to vote in the Democratic primary even though I knew my vote wouldn't count. Part of the reason so many votes were cast in the Florida primary was that it also contained a vote on a new homestead exemption to reduce home owners taxes.

A mail in ballot might be the fairest way to correct the problem the politicians caused in the Florida primary. Nobody asked the voters if the primary should be moved forward. A lot of people in Florida will feel disenfranchised if their votes aren't counted by the Democratic convention. Some of those people might decide not to vote for the chosen Democratic candidate in the General Election.

After all, wasn't the Democratic Party who said "Every vote should count"?

[Captain Hilts]

16. Not private. Women are FAR more likely to be pressured by husbands than the other way around. nt

[LisaL]

17. I am against mail in vote for several reasons.

Primary voting is anonymous.
Mail in vote is not.
Who are they going to send the ballots?
Only registered democrats?
What about the cross-over voters, or those who haven't registered as democrats?
And I heard that MI doesn't even register who is a democrat, and who is a republican.
IMO, if they are gonna revote, they should just have a normal primary.

[spin]

20. My absentee ballot was to pick the Democratic candidate...

I live in Florida and have voted using an absentee ballot for the last several elections. Convenient and probably more reliable then some of the electronic voting machines.

If only registered Democrats get ballots in the mail to vote in a primary redo, at least we don't have the problem of Republican cross over votes sabotaging the results.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

18. Statewide mail-in votes ensure the widespread disfranchisement and fraud of ABSENTEE

balloting, unless years are devoted to setting up fair voter databases in advance of any first mail election. That work cannot be done in a few months.

(See http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec05/reform_9-19.html ).

Plus, the electorate likely would be limited to currently-registered DEMOCRATS. prohibiting the crossover voting from Independents and prodigal-son Republicans from which Obama benefited in most primaries and caucuses.

[Eurobabe]

21. are you fucking SERIES??

This has KKKarl Rove tamper-machine written all over it!! They can't even count legitimate ballots in Florida. :wtf:

[VolcanoJen]

28. It's HUGH11!!!!

:hi:

By the way, the OP poster has been tombstoned.

Anyone notice how the people who are most in favor of the Florida revote are all Clinton surrogates? Corzine, Nelson, Rendell... hell, Corzine's even offering to help pay for it!

[BeyondGeography]

23. Why not a femail revote?

And, anyway, do you really trust Florida to get something this complicated right on the first try? It took Oregon 15 years of practice to move to a statewide mail-in set-up, and that's the relatively small and uncomplicated state of Oregon, not Florida.

[DS1]

24. 41 cent stamps are voter intimidation

:crazy:

[txaslftist]

25. Okay with me.

[K Gardner]

26. Clinton surrogate Wasserman today said Ixnay on the Mail-In Vote..

It would evidently be too difficult for Hillary's base to mail in a ballot. Seriously, they're opposing it.

[txaslftist]

29. Of course they oppose it.

If Fl and MI vote again in a fair and open contest, she can't get enough delegates from those states to win or even seriously dent the gap between her and Obama. The ONLY way FL and MI can help Hillary is if those delegates are seated AS IS.

You gotta remember Hillary's marching song, which is "win at all costs".

[VolcanoJen]

30. Oh dear gawd

I can hear it now... "Clinton voters are too tired from working 17 jobs to make it to the mailbox. Clinton voters are often retirees, snowbirding in Florida, and if we mail out the ballots in April, they'll have returned home to Ohio by then."

It's as lame as the "caucuses are undemocratic and overrun by pot-smoking spring breakers" argument, but I can still see it coming. ;-)

[Infinite Hope]

31. Larger opportunity for fraud. "I'll raid the mailboxes of candidate X so they can't vote in time."

duh