Spitzer Scandal Helps Obama

[Yavin4]

Spitzer's scandal serves as a reminder of the chance the Dems will be taking by putting Bill Clinton back into the White House. Like it or not, Bill's legacy is that of a womanizer, and Hillary's presidency will become hostage to any new sex scandal.

So, to the Dems in PA, take a good look at the Spitzer scandal in NY. Do you want that for a Democratic president?

[AGirl]

1. are you serious?

[Bluebear]

3. Is there any doubt anymore here?

[Dems Will Win]

89. This has nothing to do with Obama, but it will make soft Clinton voters and undecided think twice

before putting Bill back in there. What if Hillary can't make Bill keep his pants zipped for 8 years and they are blackmailed or she is caught lying about the affair and then she is saying "he did not have sex with that woman"?

Plus Bill had affairs in 2002 that were already reported in the NY Post, The NY Daily News, The Scotsman, the Toronto Star, and on CNN Inside Politics. The MSM is just waiting to drop this on Hillary if she gets the nomination:


LISA BELZBERG



According to Huffington Post, Bill Robinson, the NY Times and the LA Times are sitting on a "Big Clinton Story" that involves his affairs since leaving the White House. Clearly a lot of Indie and other voters would not want to put Bill back in there to cheat again on national TV, just too plain old embarassing.

A Big Clinton Story

Look, I am concerned. I've just spent two weeks travelling and speaking with media elites in L.A., Chicago, NYC, and D.C. and among other things, I was repeatedly told that The New York Times and The L.A. Times are "sitting on a BIG Clinton story." What concerns me is that this story has nothing to do with Hillary, her policy positions, her record, or her presidential potential. The "big story" everyone is sitting on apparently has to do with the many current affairs of Bill Clinton, whom, they will allege, has a gal in every port.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-robinson/the-big-clinton-story_b_74391.html

With unfaves in the high 40s or low 50s, a few more points of voters who, if given the choice, don't want to put a philandering Bill Clinton back in the White House to humiliate the office.

The result is Hillary would be a weak nominee and may not be able to win nationally with such a headwind. The newspapers are sitting on these alleged affairs, already reported in the press, perhaps until after the primaries and hoping to kill the Democrat's chances? This is from April 2002 and seems to be what the HuffPo was speaking of:

Clinton linked with wealthy socialite

THE tangled love life of Bill Clinton was again under the microscope yesterday when he was romantically linked with a glamorous blonde.

A magazine photo showed the former president of the United States in an intimate pose with the Canadian socialite Lisa Belzberg, 38.

They were photographed by Newsweek in front of a refrigerator at her mansion in Katonah, New York. It rekindled long-standing speculation about the pair, who have been spotted together at a number of functions over the past year.

According to the New York Post, Ms Belzberg, a millionairess separated from her husband, the Seagram alcohol heir Matthew Bronfman, about a month ago following a liaison with Mr Clinton.

...

"Friends were stunned to see the photo of Clinton in front of Lisa’s stainless steel Sub-Zero refrigerator with Jonathan Alter’s cover story on the ex-president," the paper reported. The article claimed Mr Clinton and Ms Belzberg were involved in an encounter last month.

"She was seen flirting with Clinton at the Super Bowl party he hosted in his Harlem offices," it added. At the time Mr Clinton joked of his relationship with Ms Belzberg: "She married a guy worth $6 billion, but she still likes to flirt with me."

A spokeswoman for Ms Belzberg, who runs the educational organisation PENCIL , insisted that she has not been involved in another relationship since her split from Mr Bronfman. "There is no-one else," she said bluntly.

http://news.scotsman.com/billclinton/Clinton-linked-with-wealthy-socialite.2317821.jp

According to 6/12/02 Page Six of the New York Post: WHATEVER there was between Lisa Belzberg and Bill Clinton, it appears to be over. Belzberg, the brainy blonde behind the PENCIL nonprofit group that helps the public school system, was rumored to be more than friends with the former president, who lives just 10 minutes away from the mother of two in Westchester. "She's heartbroken," said one source. But there is little chance of reconciliation with her husband, Matthew Bronfman. The Seagram heir, who split with Lisa in February, is said to be very happily dating a fashion industry executive, Stacy Kaye.

Inside Politics 6/13/02: "The New York Post reported yesterday that the relationship between former President Bill Clinton and Lisa Belzberg 'appears to be over.' If we do the math, that means that Mr. Clinton and the pretty blonde socialite lasted seven weeks. "Tabloid rumors of a romance between the two appeared around April 23, claiming the pair met at a Christmas party last year. Mr. Clinton behaved like 'a big old hound dog' and later, trysts reportedly took place in mid-afternoons on the 24th floor of New York's chichi Hudson Hotel."

Clinton seen with new blonde

BELINDA STRONACH

Mark Coleman In New York

BILL Clinton’s chequered love life became the source of fresh speculation yesterday after he was spotted with yet another blonde.

The former US president is reported to have shared an intimate dinner with Belinda Stronach, a married business woman.

According to reports, Mr Clinton, 56, wined and dined Ms Stronach, 35, the head of an international car parts company, in Toronto.

The pair have apparently struck up a cosy friendship and were caught embracing at the end of the evening.

"Clinton gave her a peck on the cheek before she got into her car," the New York Post reported. Another tabloid, the Daily News, pronounced that the two "had dinner and were seen embracing before they parted".

The papers said that the couple appeared to be fairly close, exchanging fond glances as they walked around the city.

Mr Clinton, who was in Toronto for a party honouring the musician Ronnie Hawkins, who has been diagnosed with cancer, twitched awkwardly with his mobile phone after realising that he and Ms Stronach, who was wearing a black dress and diamond necklace, were being followed by photographers.

The revelations are bound to renew consternation between Mr Clinton and his wife Hillary, to whom he has been married for 26 years.

Four months ago Mr Clinton was linked with another blonde socialite, Lisa Belzberg, 38, who is also a Canadian.

http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=173&id=1036682002

[Bluebear]

2. Well that's a wonderful way of thinking. Why don't you make a bumper sticker of that?

:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[autorank]

14. Nothing like a Jesuit education to hone the logical skills;)

Are you saying that this guy couldn't control himself just because he's a guy?

[xultar]

35. I'm trying to meet bullshit with equal amounts of bullshit. I threw in the sexism cuz it seems

to be the thing to do @ DU

[autorank]

71. Well, that's as good a reason as any!

[KAZ]

24. I'd offer you some sexism, but I see you're all full up.

[skooooo]

5. I agree...

...whether you believe it's justified or not, I think people will associate the two because they are both from NY.

[democrattotheend]

6. I noticed that CNN was replaying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Kind of unlucky for HRC.

But I don't think Obama supporters should do anything to exploit this...it has nothing to do with her.

[Yavin4]

12. Hey, Nothing Stops Her From Exploiting Any Issue

Why should Obama's camp play the rules? Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

[karynnj]

56. For one, the team breaking the rules with the "gun" is losing because people are sick

of these cheap shots - they want something better - which Obama is.

[democrattotheend]

59. Exactly

There is nothing Obama can do or say...it would be completely tacky for him to weigh in on this unless he is asked. His supporters on DU who are trying to connect it to Clinton are off the mark...she had nothing to do with this.

That being said, I am not terribly upset that CNN happens to be showing footage of Bill Clinton saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" the night before the Mississippi primary.

[Independent-Voter]

80. I agree. Spitzer's taint will waft over to HRC easily enough.

[Tveil]

82. nice image of his taint...but I agree

[DJ13]

7. I think the biggest help for Obama was that it forced the MSM to stop

.......devoting all their time promoting Hillary for the next few days.

[quantass]

57. Hillary loves scandals

[Strawman]

dupe n/t

[Strawman]

8. Dems in PA are probably more worried about their jobs

than blowjobs.

Obama doesn't need that kind of dumb shit to make a compelling argument for change. This has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton or the presidential campaign. Nothing.

[Tarheel_Dem]

19. tell that to the Rezko harpies.......nt

[CookCountyResident]

63. ...Other than the fact that Spitzer is a Super-Delegate

... pledged to Hillary.

[saracat]

9. What bastards some are. Everything isn't about Obama. This is why he will never get my vote.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. Do you think Yavin4 is Obama?

You really need to step back from the keyboard.....:crazy:

[saracat]

31. No. He is just obnoxious.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. pot meet kettle? nt

[Yavin4]

55. Because I'm The One Who Invented the "Kitchen Sink" Strategy

Oh wait, that was Hillary.

[woolldog]

72. lol

It does seem like she thinks Yavin is Obama. :crazy:

[JackORoses]

60. you live in Arizona, right?

Tell Johnny Mc howdy for me.

[Umbram]

91. You shouldn't be voting at all.

Democracy is premised (falsely) on the idea of educated voters.

Since your vote is obviously decided by something so rediculous as how many meanies are on messages boards for any given candidate, you should just stay home come election day.

You seem to lack the requisite credentials to cast a vote, which is unfortunate because they are fairly low to begin with.

[donheld]

10. Don't be crazy

it has nothing to do with Bill/Hillary/Obama/Yomama

[rpannier]

11. Too everything spin, spin, spin

It is the season spin, spin, spin

[Dave_Fl_50]

13. You sound so....Republican

Obama is looking more and more like Bush every day.

[Yavin4]

21. Fact: Bill Clinton Had Extra Marital Affairs

Fact: Such affairs badly damaged his presidency.

Fact: If Bill Clinton gets back into the White House and is discovered having another sexual affair, it will badly damage Hillary's presidency.

Those are facts. Deal with them.

[Dave_Fl_50]

30. What if Obama snorts coke in the Whtehouse?

[davidinalameda]

36. I wouldn't be the first time that's been done in the WH

but we all know that no one in the WH has inhaled

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. as long as he doesn't play around with cigars in the oval office...

while talking on the phone, and receiving other such services, i think he'll be okay.

[Yavin4]

54. Boy, The Hillaryites Sure Don't Like It When The "Kitchen Sink"

gets thrown back at them.

[cali]

73. Obama experimented with drugs as a kid

Bill has a lifelong sex addiction problem. See the difference? Aside from that, the OP is nonsense.

[Name removed]

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[JimGinPA]

28. Yeah, Except For The Reasoning, The Public Speaking, And The Major Policy Difference On Most Issues,

You have a point.


:eyes:

[Tatiana]

15. This line of thought... is not helpful.

A fairly good man's reputation just went down the tubes today and he happened to be a Democrat.

A very well-known Democrat who we all had high hopes for.

This is a sad, sickening, and depressing situation which has nothing to do with Clinton or Obama. It's about a culture and environment that compels even principled and honest people do unprincipled and ugly things.

[Yavin4]

23. Beg To Differ

Returing Bill Clinton to the WH runs the risk of another sex scandal, and if you don't think that the Republicans will exploit this, then you're wrong.

[JohnnyLib2]

38. Thank you.

[KAZ]

16. I'd rather not see any Dem caught up in a scandal.

Thank you very much.

[oasis]

17. Rezko's trial will be taking over the headlines next week. Who does he help?

:shrug:

[Yavin4]

25. Rezko vs. NY Governor Resigning Over Sex Scandal

Hmmmm....which one do you think that the media will focus on.

[oasis]

43. MCcaulliffe and Woodson will prod the news media daily to cover Rezko.

count on it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

48. and keith, randi, stephanie, and a whole host of others will shoot

down the lies & distortions one by one. I'm telling you, Rezko just isn't sexy enough.

[AX10]

70. keith, randi, stephanie, and a whole host of others will shoot

crap and lies from their mouths.

[Tarheel_Dem]

33. sex trumps money.....

where have you been? the media loves a hot juicy sex scandal, especially if there's payola, and hints that organized crime may be involved. definitely helps obama.

[oasis]

39. Okay, we'll just see, (eom)

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. yes we shall (eom)

[cali]

74. wishful thinking, dearie

It has yet to take over the headlines. Obama has been cleared by Fitz. Keep hanging on to false hope. I like seeing you guys do that. Hsu didn't do in Hill and Rezco won't do in Obama no matter how much pathetic Hill supporters pray for it to.

[oasis]

86. I'm not "praying for it to happen". I'm predicting, based on how our

politicians operate. Let the chips fall where they may. :evilgrin:

[Dinger]

83. I'm Thinking That'll Pick Up If/When Obama Gets The Nod

No need to bring it up now:eyes:

[oasis]

88. The trial will begin just as soon as the jury is selected. The selection

process began last week.

[DrFunkenstein]

18. New Meaning to Answering The Red Phone

Just joking. I don't think Bill Clinton will be having sexual relations with any women after his heart surgery. Maybe some medical marijuana inhaling, but that's about it.

Seriously, though, no more sexual witch hunts!!!!

[Yavin4]

27. How Do You Know That He's Not Having Sex?

David Letterman had a kid after his bypass surgery.

[immoderate]

90. I think you're missing the reason for having the surgery.

Heart bad. No sex :( ==> Get surgery. Heart much better. Sex! :)

--IMM

[TheDeathadder]

20. yes...please Obama people

push this point on PA so they can laugh at you. Please.

[Gore1FL]

26. Only marginally, I think

i don't think there is any "there" there. The biggest damage is that she lost an endorsement, nd possibly a super delegate.

[Catherine Vincent]

29. How do you know Barack haven't had an affair in his past? nt

[Tarheel_Dem]

37. oh you would just love that wouldn't you?

sorry, one fool already flunked a polygraph. bring 'em on.

[Catherine Vincent]

47. Actually, I would not.

I'm a Democrat first and not a blind supporter like some here.

[Tarheel_Dem]

51. well kudos to you........

:bounce:

[NorthernSpy]

81. Michelle is a six-foot valkyrie...

He'd be taking his life in his hands.

[Redstone]

32. Reaching, much?

Redstone

[still_one]

34. You would have thought that spitzer would have learned something from Bill Clinton

to keep his thing in his pants

what an idiot

[Yavin4]

50. Or Jim McGreevy in New Jersey

Again, this is why it helps Obama. It shows that some men cannot control themselves sexually. See Bill Clinton!

[BootinUp]

42. joke?

[Elidor]

45. please

It doesn't help anyone. It hurts the party. Nothing good will come of it.

[pestana]

46. We should stop overanalyzing things

Not everything has to have an effect on the elections.

Jeez.

[Yavin4]

52. No, Not Everything, But This Will

And it's fair game. Obama should use his subordinates to start a whispering campaign.

[Dave_Fl_50]

49. How long till you claim Hillary killed Vince Foster

[Yavin4]

53. Your Candidate Is The One With The "Kitchen Sink" Strategy

Your candidate is the one who openly endorsed McCain. Your candidate is the one claiming that Obama is resorting to Ken Starr tactics.

What's the matter? Cannot take it when the "Kitchen Sink" gets thrown right back at you.

[Rageneau]

58. Is everybody suuurrrrrrrrrre that BO doesn't have a bimbo eruption awaiting?

He's a nice-looking, very charismatic guy with at least an average libido, and my long life-experience tells me that women undoubtedly throw themselves at him every day.

Are we sure he always says, "No"?

Shouldn't we find out what the truth is before it's too late -- before a sudden bimbo eruption ruins his image as a family man?

Maybe we could get some new version of Richard Mellon Sciafe to finance a several-million-dollar "Illinois Project" to see if a woman -- any woman, no matter how skanky -- can be found who will claim to have been intimate with BO.

Them's the rules Clinton has to play by. Why shouldn't Obama play by the same?

[Catherine Vincent]

61. That's something to think about.

Hopefully, he's clean.

[Yavin4]

62. It Would Have Come Out Already

Going all the way back to the Ill Senate race in 2004.

[cali]

75. Hmm, how do you know about his libido?

And in case you didn't know, that crap has been thrown at Obama, but it didn't stick and the guy was obviously lying. Bill has a real problem. Not saying we should focus on it, but Bill's sexual addiction is hardly news.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. scrubbed from Hillary's web site?

[Frank Booth]

65. This post is unfair to Hillary

She should be judged on her own merits, not those of her husband. The fact that he is a womanizer who couldn't control himself as president, and who would probably have a much harder time controlling himself with Hillary busy being president is completely irrelevant to this campaign.

[GalleryGod]

76. She knew/Knows About All of them ! Always has. Always will.

She gets to be the "Wronged Woman" soldiering on..

[TheDonkey]

66. Will bill find his hand in the cookie jar again?

[Beacool]

67. Are you voting for McCain or are you high!!!!!!

Spitzer is a DEMOCRAT, his downfall harms ALL of us. Some of you Obama groupies have jumped the shark!!!!

:thumbsdown:

[walldude]

68. Huh? Dude.. one thing has nothing to do with the other.

Not to mention the fact that Bill Clinton is not running for president. According to Kitty Kelly's book, Nancy Reagan was a slut, what did that have to do with Ronnie's failed presidency? Nothing. Really, this is a cheap shot that does no one any good.

[AX10]

69. Obaministas are desperate for anything to hit HRC with.

Judge her on her own merits.

[Occam Bandage]

78. No it doesn't. Spitzer's problem is corruption and hypocrisy, not sex.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

79. I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.

[JimGinPA]

85. The OP Happens To Be Correct - Your Getting Personal Won't Change The Facts...

The longer this drags out, the more times you'll see old footage of a defiant Bill Clinton wagging his finger saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...". That's the reality. It's baggage that HRC, fair or not, is stuck with.

[Freida5]

84. Unless O has a scandel of his own like the tabloids suggest. We will see.

[OzarkDem]

87. GOP is trying to help Obama win

Another reason I don't support him as a candidate.

[Vinca]

92. Then how do you explain Rush and his cohorts urging 'pukes

to get out the vote for Hillary? According to one source, they accounted for 8 - 9% of her Texas vote. I have yet to hear one talking head comment that Republicans want to run against Obama over Hillary. They always say the opposite. They want Hillary.