Hillary Clinton's Wink-Wink on NAFTA to Canada That She Blamed on Obama.

[AtomicKitten]

For those folks who turn off programs that upset their delicate sensibilities and seem to have missed the actual story:

March 06, 2008
CLINTON was first on NAFTA ‘wink, wink’ to Canada
http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2008/03/clinton-was-first-on-nafta-wink-wink-to.html

That’s what Canada’s top paper, the Globe and Mail, says:

Ian Brodie, chief of staff to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper, supposedly talked about Clinton staff back-dooring on NAFTA to a CTV informal press backgrounder:

”He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton’s campaign is telling the embassy to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry.”

And, CTV was looking at the Clinton angle first:

CTV News President Robert Hurst said he would not discuss his journalists’ sources.

But others said the content of Mr. Brodie’s remarks was passed on to CTV’s Washington bureau and their White House correspondent set out the next day to pursue the story on Ms. Clinton's apparent hypocrisy on the North American Free Trade Agreement.

However, CTV coverage focused on Obama, for whatever reason.

Hmmmmmmm. I wonder what reason? Could it be rightwing pols assisting ClintonCo in their campaign of lies and bullshit?

[AtomicKitten]

1. No comment? That figures.

:eyes:

[Spiffarino]

4. We're just digesting it, dear.

It's a rich repast. :D

I have no doubt Harper's conservative government would do all it could to keep us from having a progressive U.S. President.

[AtomicKitten]

6. it's one of the revelations that makes one go hmmmmmmmmmm

[hueyshort]

9. sd

[hueyshort]

12. Total LIE - This LINK Proves it

Your stupid rookie candidate f*ks up and lies to the press, now you're
claiming HRC did that?
All Obama Thugs have done for the past 2 months is LIE LIE LIE.
You're candidate is a liar. You are LIARS.
http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gNMJKvj5eQRQBNSeQj3bTyETSagQ

[Spiffarino]

15. So you didn't read down the article...

The revelations about Brodie's conversation with the television news station have left a key unanswered question that holds some implications for the U.S. election.

Sources who overheard that conversation say he specifically mentioned that Canadian diplomats did get assurances from the Clinton camp - and he never raised Obama's name.

That begs the question: why was Clinton's name raised at all?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

17. "BRIEFING" from Clinton, no. But wink-wink NAFTA "ASSURANCES" from HRC: YES

You posted a link that that does not support the gravamen of your argument. Read down:

"The revelations about Brodie's conversation with the television news station have left a key unanswered question that holds some implications for the U.S. election.

Sources who overheard that conversation say he specifically mentioned that Canadian diplomats did get ASSURANCES from the Clinton camp - and he never raised Obama's name."

[Spiffarino]

23. JINX!

:7

[hueyshort]

11. who do

you think you're kidding?

[Name removed]

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[niceypoo]

20. "supposedly talked about Clinton staff back-dooring on NAFTA "

What is this, 'supposed,' staffers name?

The old, 'Hillary done it too...,' chestnut..

[ProgressiveEconomist]

2. Don't you just wonder whether Bill Clinton made any calls to Canada ten days ago or so?

Are any members of the Harper Administration especially close FOBs (Friends of Bill)?

[AtomicKitten]

5. I find the sustained gratuitous spinning of this story

by HRC-sycophants emblematic of the ClintonCo campaign calling in favors and lying their assess off to win.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

8. The timing as well as the erroneous content of the leaked Canadian memo are quite

suspicious. I also wonder how the Bush Justice Dept. came up with a date for the first day of the Rezko trial coincided so well with the Ohio and Texas Primaries.

Im politics, TIMING can be everything.

[AtomicKitten]

14. there's no conicidence in politics

the fix is in and it's up to us to unwind the bullshit

[anamandujano]

3. Memo.

[Lucinda]

7. PMO: Canadian officials only got briefing from Obama campaign - not Clinton:

OTTAWA — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.

With the NAFTA affair swirling over the U.S. election and Canadian officials skittish about saying anything else that might influence the race, it took the PMO two days to deliver the information.

After being asked whether Canadian officials asked for - or received - any briefings from a Clinton campaign representative outlining her plans on NAFTA, a spokeswoman for the prime minister offered a response Friday.

"The answer is no, they did not," said Harper spokeswoman Sandra Buckler.

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gNMJKvj5eQRQBNSeQj3bTyETSagQ

[AtomicKitten]

13. Wrong. The genesis was ClintonCo and for some mysterious reason the story was changed.

Somebody - wink, wink - made a call to, um, straighten out the media in Canada, ergo your article, but the genesis of the comment goes right back to the Clinton campaign. You can continue to press the after-effect of the, um, meddling, but the Canadian government has since poo-poo'd the very story you are offering as "proof."

In fact, the head of the Canadian Broadcasting Company was on Washington Journal two days ago and confirmed that it came from the Clinton campaign and the Clinton campaign blamed it on Obama in what he referred to as an act of "political opportunism."

[hueyshort]

16. I am sending this thread to Ohio newspapers

they will be most amused to see how Obama operates under the radar.
They are so ashamed how their candidate acted a FOOL, they
are pretending Clinton was stupid and devious as he is.

[Spiffarino]

21. So why did Brodie specifically mention Clinton?

People who were in the room when Ian Brodie, Harper's Chief of Staff, heard Brodie say that the Clinton camp was being "less than sincere" about NAFTA.

An aide to Obama did make overtures - there's no doubt about that - but why would Brodie say such a thing about HRC in an offhand remark?

This ain't over.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

24. "BRIEFING", no. Wink-Wink NAFTA "ASSURANCES" from HRC YES, acc 2 YOUR LINK:

See reply #17 above. I challenge you to convince me that you are not engaging in more "Clintonian parsing", as in , "it depends on what the meaning of "IS" is"

[AtomicKitten]

18. link -- apparently this is a dupe

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4926080&mesg_id=4926080

[Auntie Bush]

19. Someone the other day posted something proving it wasn't Clinton.

The truth depends on who you want to believe. I personally believe it was indeed the Obama camp. You believe what you want...proof to the contrary wouldn't convince you.

[AtomicKitten]

22. And you are too blind to see that this is a political trick by HRC that has been exposed.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

26. Bogus ... see below n/t

[Lord Helmet]

28. bogus ... see below

[SaveOurDemocracy]

25. No one commented because it's an already...

DEBUNKED LIE ...

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/National/home

PMO: Officials only got briefing from Obama campaign
The Canadian Press

March 7, 2008 at 5:04 PM EDT


OTTAWA — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.

With the NAFTA affair swirling over the U.S. election and Canadian officials skittish about saying anything else that might influence the race, it took the PMO two days to deliver the information.

After being asked whether Canadian officials asked for — or received — any briefings from a Clinton campaign representative outlining her plans on NAFTA, a spokeswoman for the prime minister offered a response Friday.

"The answer is no, they did not," said Harper spokeswoman Sandra Buckler.

That response will come as a relief to the Clinton campaign, which has angrily denied that it has engaged in the kind of double-talking hypocrisy of which it accuses Mr. Obama. ...



~snip~



... The Associated Press obtained a Canadian government memo that suggested Austan Goolsbee, Mr. Obama's senior economic policy adviser, met Canadian diplomats the consulate in Chicago last month.

It was revealed this week that Mr. Harper's chief of staff Ian Brodie initially tipped off CTV News to the story on Feb. 26, when in an off-the-cuff conversation he suggested Ms. Clinton's attacks on NAFTA were less than sincere.

After investigating the story, CTV reported the next day that the Clinton and Obama campaigns had both offered Canada assurances that they would leave NAFTA untouched. Both camps issued denials.


But Mr. Obama's campaign was further torpedoed by the leak of the diplomatic memo. Mr. Goolsbee insists the Canadian memo mischaracterized his position....



~snip~



... The revelations about Mr. Brodie's conversation with CTV have left a key unanswered question that holds some implications for the U.S. election.

Sources who overheard that conversation say he specifically mentioned that Canadian diplomats did get assurances from the Clinton camp — and he never raised Mr. Obama's name.

That begs the question: why was Ms. Clinton's name raised at all?

Mr. Brodie does not deny downplaying the Democrats' anti-NAFTA rhetoric in a conversation with CTV, but he says he cannot recall mentioning any specific presidential candidate.

Ms. Clinton's team reacted furiously to the Brodie story and offered the Canadian government "blanket immunity" to publicly release the name of any campaign official who might have offered such back-channel assurances."

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It was discussed here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4957308&mesg_id=4957308



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And, in fact, it looks like Mr. Brodie will lose his job over this:

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/march/10/naftagate/&c=2

PCO is to investigate 'all known recipients' of NAFTAgate information

Opposition MPs call PM's chief of staff Ian Brodie's off-hand remarks 'one of the worst mistakes a chief of staff has ever made for a Prime Minister.'

By Simon Doyle



The Privy Council Office says it will start its investigation of the "NAFTAgate" affair by looking at "all known recipients" of the leaked information, a broad investigation that opposition MPs now say gives the Prime Minister little choice but to throw his own chief of staff "under the bus."

"I absolutely think that somebody's got to take the fall for this, and that it will be Brodie...."

[Lord Helmet]

27. and this debunks your pile of bs so Obama wins

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4926080&mesg_id=4926080

[SaveOurDemocracy]

29. WRONG AGAIN!!

YOUR post is OLD NEWS ... dated March 5th.


The one I posted was 2 days later (March 7th) after further investigation AND a statement issued from the Prime Ministers office specifically DENYING any Clinton contact.



But, go ahead ... keep this story alive. Pennsylvania voters are similar to Ohio voters ... and we saw how well it worked for BO in Ohio.

[Lord Helmet]

30. keep pumping out those lies

[SaveOurDemocracy]

32. Oh yeah ... I went to Canada and wrote the articles.

Stop humping your keyboard and TRY actually READING FOR CONTENT...


Your guy was caught in a LIE! They have a fuckin MEMO ... oopsie :hide: :yoiks:


BO and his operatives have had to issue 5 DIFFERENT explanations! Who's humping who? :rofl:

[Lord Helmet]

33. you first (look below)

could you be more obtuse?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

31. "BRIEFING", no. Wink-wink NAFTA "ASSURANCES", YES, according to YOUR POST"

See post #17 above, which quotes your own globeandmail link in Post #25.

You seem to be "parsing" furiously, just as we all remember from the "golden" Clinton days.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

34. well ... since I have poster 17 on ignore ...

how about YOU fill me in on exactly where I was "furiously" "parsing"?

[ProgressiveEconomist]

35. Surely you still can read your own post #25. whose snip from globeandmail includes:

"It was revealed this week that Mr. Harper's chief of staff Ian Brodie initially tipped off CTV News to the story on Feb. 26, when in an off-the-cuff conversation he suggested Ms. Clinton's attacks on NAFTA were less than sincere....

Sources who overheard that conversation say he specifically mentioned that Canadian diplomats did get assurances from the Clinton camp -- and he never raised Mr. Obama's name."

[SaveOurDemocracy]

38. Now who's parsing? Surely you read right below that ...

Mr. Brodie does not deny downplaying the Democrats' anti-NAFTA rhetoric in a conversation with CTV, but he says he cannot recall mentioning any specific presidential candidate.

Ms. Clinton's team reacted furiously to the Brodie story and offered the Canadian government "blanket immunity" to publicly release the name of any campaign official who might have offered such back-channel assurances."


Of course, it's not like they have a memo or anything ... :rofl: :rofl:

[ProgressiveEconomist]

39. A memo for whose misleading and erroneous pre-Ohio statements about Goolsbee

the Harper Administration has apologized--after the Ohio vote came in.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

43. They apologized that it was leaked.

They stand by the info contained in the memo.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

36. Bad eyes? Maybe THIS will help

"Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.

After being asked whether Canadian officials asked for — or received — any briefings from a Clinton campaign representative outlining her plans on NAFTA, a spokeswoman for the prime minister offered a response Friday.

"The answer is no, they did not," said Harper spokeswoman Sandra Buckler. ...

[ProgressiveEconomist]

37. The direct quote from Buckler is about BRIEFINGS, not ASSURANCES.

And was she one of the witnesses who overheard directly what Brodie allegedly said about ASSURANCES from HRC, not Obama?

[SaveOurDemocracy]

40. Where is it documented that Buckler, the spokeswoman

from the PM's office, WITNESSED amd OVERHEARD DIRECTLY what Brodie allegedly said?

Please direct me to where THAT is stated.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

41. Exactly, where? So she's no authority on whether or not Brodie told CTV HRC, not Obama,

gave him wink-wink NAFTA "assurances", as direct witnesses to the conversation have alleged.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

42. Apparently the PM's office looked into the statement...

Brodie made to the press, and found it to be false.


Since others heard him make the remark, I believe he did so. However, I don't believe it was truthful ... and I don't know what his motivations might have been for making the remark.


That's ALL we know now ... so please stop presenting it as substantiated fact. That's just NOT true.




Evidently, the shit has hit the fan up there and they are promising a FULL investigation into this matter. We will wait to see what they uncover:

http://www.thehilltimes.ca/html/index.php?display=story&full_path=2008/march/10/naftagate/&c=2

[ProgressiveEconomist]

44. Your case rests on the investigation of the right-wing Harper PMO by itself? Goodnight.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

45. And YOUR case rests on ONE remark made by ONE man ...

that now appears to be a lie. Said man now denies he mentioned any candidates name, and there is nothing tangible to back up what, even he, denies now. Brodie can't even come up with the name of who allegedly winked and reassured.


Goodnight.

[Yossariant]

46. Obama's been desperately spreading this lie. He got caught and discredited.

Get over yourselves, Obama and Obamatoons.

Ya can't win Ohio and that means ya can't win.

Suck it up.

[AtomicKitten]

47. the only thing interesting here at DU anymore is just how pathetic Clinton supporters are getting

Bravo, sir.