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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:00 PM
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My message to Hillary: WTF?
Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 11:04 PM by margotb822
Ok Hillary, we all know you want to be president. You want to be president really, really bad. But, don’t you think it’s gone just a little too far? I do. But, I just want to let you know, before I get started on this, that if you win the nomination, I’ll still vote for you. It will be like this post never happened.

In the beginning, you were doing so well. Personable, composed, nice. Ok, well maybe nice isn’t the word I’m looking for. Maybe mature or reasonable is more like it. Anyways, the point is, you seemed like a good candidate, like someone who was really about change and a turning over a new leaf. I even wrote an entry for you about why it would be good for America if you were president. I mean, even though I was an Edwards supporter, I was urging people in your direction, AND I always made a point to call you Clinton (calling women by their first names and men by their last is a common occurrence that I believes makes people take women less seriously).

Lately, though, I’m less than thrilled. What’s going on? People are calling you a “monster.” That’s pretty serious. Bush might be a monster; Cheney and Rove definitely are definitely monsters. But, you? This isn’t what we need. Remember the whole “change” and “healing” and “uniting” thing that we had going on? Thought so…

I can imagine that it would be hard to watch this dream slip away. Actually, no I can’t. This is really big! And, you have great policies. Ok, your policies are, for the most part, more progressive than your opponents. So, great might have been strong, good is sufficient. Definitely better than what we’ve got now.

Then things started to turn, I’d say around South Carolina. That’s when the “surrogates” started to come out. First it was Bill (“the first African American president”). I’ll be honest, the name-calling drew some criticism. And, it turned some people off. But it didn’t stop. And, I think we’ve gotten to a fever pitch here with the negative ads and negative speeches. Ok, you aren’t the only one doing it, but I think you started it. So, it’s time for you to end it. The whole “milking the cow” thing was way too much (and you know it. What did that even mean?).

The best thing about this primary was the fact that we had narrowed the field to two great candidates who could possibly work together in the future? Just so you know, you’ve totally ruined that. People are very drawn to a message of hope, change and doing things differently. You’ve been showing that you’re not so serious about this. I know, you’ve got experience, which I still haven’t figured out exactly how to measure. I’m not so convinced that your experience, is all that we need. We need the people to be mobilized, to care, to want to participate in politics. Obama is getting this done. He’s drawn new people and independents to the party (Bush and company have done a great job pushing people away, stepping on their heads, stabbing them in the back, etc.).

So, this will be my message to you. I’m sure you’re familiar with the saying “fail boldly.” Well, mine is a little different: Fail gracefully. If it does come to that, in April, June or August, please, put the good of the nation over your own desires. Remember that no good will can come of this. All these things that have been said cannot be stricken from the record. They are fair game in the general election. So, think carefully before that next negative statement comes out. If you want to be the leader, start right now. Get back to your original message; give us that dignity that we crave. That’s where you came from, and it was working, so get back to what works. Please.

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Rick Myers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:02 PM
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1. Great!!! k and r
:kick:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:05 PM
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2. Thanks for your
very gracious plea to hilary.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 PM
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3. I'd say HRC has more guts - and less naked ambition - than you
postulate. I'm satisfied w/her campaign so far and don't want her to drop out now. This is what primary campaigns are for ... they lead to conventions.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:07 PM
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6. They can't account for Obama's millions more and MSM behind him and
he still can't close the deal.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:11 PM
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9. Go figure
Even with all his PAC money that is evil, but not when he is raising it and giving it to SD candidates since 2005, and even with all his lobbyist bundled money, when he claims lobbyist money is evil as well.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:30 PM
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23. LMAO..and Hillary has built her campaign on single donations
she hasn't taken any corporate money or any PAC money. :eyes: C'mon, are you really going to play the corporate card against Obama? At least use talking points you can win with.. Jeeze you guys are making this too easy.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:18 PM
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14. He already has closed the deal.
Just because our sides Huckabee clone is still running around the country doesn't change that.

She can't and won't win the nomination. What she can do, and what she is doing, is doing her damnedest to hurt Obama and help Democrats lose 08 while she plans her run for 2012.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:27 PM
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19. Hillabee & Billabee want this BADLY
and they are not going quietly into the good night.. they will set it all on fire and watch the flames in the rear view mirror..and claim to not know what the big deal is

if they can't have it, no one can..
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:34 PM
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25. Obama doesn't want it at all. He's just doing our country a favor.
:puke:
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:08 PM
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39. DING DING YOU WIN. Truefact.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 PM
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4. Glad to be #5 -- K&R
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:17 PM
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13. Thanks!
:blush:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:06 PM
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5. Is this your high school social studies essay final?
Good job.

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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:16 PM
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12. Haha, I hope they wouldn't accept this in HS
This was just a thought I had this evening, and it turned into a mini-essay. I think it would be too informal for HS, but who knows with the way standards are today.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:09 PM
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7. K&R #7 n/t
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:09 PM
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8. Now if only half the primary voters hadn't voted for her
Look, neither of them can win 2025 pledged delegates. And half the voters almost exactly, prefer her. Obama supporters need to get over the media hype that he is winning in a walk. He isn't. She will win PA with no problem, and probably at least half of the remaining states. No reason in the world she should quit. 50 delegates ahead in pledged delegates should not be enough to convince the supers to rally behind him given his inexperience.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:12 PM
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10. He has tons more money and the puke MSM at his back and he still isn't winning.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:16 PM
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11. If you don't count the popular vote, states won, or delegates won...
.. yeah, in that case, he's not winning.

What metric are you using that would show otherwise?
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:19 PM
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15. 2025
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:21 PM
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16. She is ahead in the popular vote by 20K votes
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

She would only be behind in pledged delegates by 57 votes if Obama would allow FL and MI voters to be counted. She is also ahead in Super Delegates. It's ridiculous to say he is way ahead of her by any means. That just isn't supported by the facts.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:26 PM
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18. How do you do that.......
How do you ignore the very info you quote:
Obama 13,025,003 49.4%
Clinton 12,421,316 47.1%

Obama +603,687 in the popular.

Sticky thing those facts.
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ThatBozGuy Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:29 PM
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20. Oh and if you still think its 20000, he'll fix that for you tommorow so you wont be so.....
Delusional or confused.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:38 PM
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27. I doubt he'll win by 20K in MS, but even if he does
she will be ahead of him again after PA. Stop pretending FL and MI voters didn't vote. They did. She won. Deal with it.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:37 PM
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26. Only if you pretend voters in FL and MI don't exist
Only rethugs demand we not count the votes.

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Psephos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:45 PM
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29. Count the votes in a primary where Obama was not on the ballot?
I live in Michigan, and I don't want to "count the votes" in a primary where only one of the candidates was on the ballot.

What totalitarian police state were you born in to think that's cool?
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:53 PM
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31. Yes, count them because HE decided not to be on that ballot
He doesn't even have enough respect for MI voters to take a chance at being on the ballot. There is no doubt he still would have lost there. There's no totalitarian state just because your candidate was too chicken shit to run.

I guess his cute trick didn't pan out the way he planned, huh?

"At issue is a decision by Mr. Obama and a former North Carolina senator, John Edwards, to withdraw their names from the Michigan ballot in October. That came after the Democratic National Party imposed sanctions on the state party for scheduling its primary ahead of the date the national party approved — February 5 "Super Tuesday."

At the time, the withdrawals were seen as a ploy to isolate Senator Clinton, who had a large lead in national polls, and make it seem as though she was taking advantage of the standoff."

http://www.nysun.com/article/69490
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:22 PM
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17. He is winning in every category
a) pledged delegates - check
b) pledged delegates even if you accept Penn's ridiculous BS and only count primaries - check
c) popular vote - check
d) most states won - check
e) most money raised to compete in general - check
f) wins head to head match-ups against McCain - check
g) wins by more than opponent - check


Hillary has?
a) pledged delegates - FAIL
b) pledged delegates counting only primaries - FAIL
c) popular vote - FAIL
d) most states won - FAIL
e) most money raised to compete in general - FAIL
f) wins head to head match-ups against McCain - CHECK (OMG ONE!)
g) wins by more than opponent - FAIL (DOH!)

Obama - change we can believe in
Clinton - failure we can count on

Have a nice day.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:33 PM
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24. I love this list. Please hold on to it. n/t
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:40 PM
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28. You need to check your facts
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

She is winning in the popular vote by 20K votes, and she is ahead in supers. The facts are at the link. Stop believing everything the media tells you. They lie, which should be apparent to everyone after the Iraq war and WMD bullshit.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:59 AM
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38. Your logo just cracked me up.. perfect !
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:30 PM
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22. That is what surprises me the most.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:29 PM
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21. k&r.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:51 PM
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30. You are blaming Hillary for the media attacks on her. First Edwards now Hillary. Wimps!
That is what Democrats have turned into. A bunch of fucking wimps who say "If the MSM does not like our candidates we have to dump them and pick someone the media does like.

The negative statements have all come from Drudge, Fox, Matthews and the rest. They attribute their own lies to Hillary without evidence and then Obama points a finger at Hillary get sympathy votes and Democrats get scared that the party won't come together before Denver so they say "Let's just toss out Hillary and keep Obama."

I am not about to reward the MSM and Obama because they yell the loudest.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-10-08 11:54 PM
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32. They've turned into rethuglican bushbots
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:26 AM
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bwahahaha. YOU are the rethuglican, threatening to vote for McCain
You need serious help.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:39 AM
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33. Well in 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes.
How did that ever work out? Are presidents still elected by the electoral vote or by popular vote? Do candidates win the Democratic nomination for president by delegates or by popular vote? How many people here just like to make up their own rules as they go along? Super delegates are free to make up their minds on who they vote for however they please. My member of Congress said he would cast his vote by how his district voted, not by what happened in Texas or Ohio or what will happen. Everybody seems to have a scenario or rationale that favors their candidate although it is a little more problematic when you are over 100 delegates behind and the primaries are not winner take all.
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margotb822 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:48 AM
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36. But, if they were winner take all
they wouldn't represent the popular vote either. I think we've all forgotten what it was like to have a close race. I voted for Edwards in the primary, so I've been doing more observing than candidate battling lately. I do like Clinton's policies and think they're more progressive, but I'm just not sure about her electability. I think she had the formula right earlier in the race.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:19 AM
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34. K/R.
:kick:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:26 AM
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35. lordy.......
...
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:54 AM
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37. K & R
:thumbsup:
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