:LOUD WHISTLE: This is directed at both partisan sides

[nadinbrzezinski]

I don't care who started it. So save it for somebody who gives a shit about the behavior of a group of six year olds.

BUT MOM JIMMY STARTED IT

MOM SUZIE STARTED IT!

I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT, JUST STOP IT!!!!!!!

What both sides are risking is nothing short of the election with a brokered convention.

The country CANNOT afford four more years of Bush (McCian, big dif).

STOP for a second and consider this, President McCain and at least one more war front and the USSC. See what I mean?

So if you BOTH want to help McCain, continue as you have so far.

Oh and I don't expect you to stop. After all there is no leadership stepping to the plate either.

That is all

(And don't try to blame Nader either ok, won't wash with me)

[Drum]

1. k & r

and nice to find your post...was just thinkin' I hadn't run across much by you lately. Thanks for this post and many more.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. You welcome, have been busy with family matters

so haven't had that much time to ahem post, but dang it, coming over here and readying the he said, she said crowd is really getting old.

[Ileanasouza]

3. It will only end after a winner has been declared

Only then.

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I fear not even then

and welcome to DU by the way.

But I truly fear this could end like Chicago '68

[greyghost]

11. Spot on.

[2rth2pwr]

5. This could all come to a happy end if Obama

would simply withdraw.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I don't care who started it, got it? Good

Now what we need is for a REAL LEADER to step forth and force these two down to a table and 'splain the facts of life to BOTH OF THEM

Otherwise, when President McCain is inaugurated, I don't want to hear it,,, from either the Hillary Supporters or the Obama Supporters. YOU BOTH DID IT TO EACH OTHER AND THE PARTY.

And you are listed first since you are the first to scream BUT JIMMY STARTED IT MOM!

I DON'T CARE WHO STARTED IT... nor WHO SHOULD IN YOUR VIEW STEP DOWN. I foresee 1968 if this does not stop soon, or 1980... and this is NOT good.

the country CANNOT afford this... GOT IT?

Now when am I gonna get the BUT MOM SUZZIE STARTED IT!

[2rth2pwr]

7. I never said he started it. I was just stating a plain fact. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

9. Plain fact is EITHER of them can stop this right now by stepping down

It is not one candidate or the other, it is both that want this so bad that gosh darn it damn the country!

So don't give me the facts of life...since the facts of life is that BOTH of them have the power to stop it RIGHT NOW.

Now I am not going to start playing the game of who has what, or who mathematically cannot win, since as things stand right now it is a technical tie.

So once again, the real facts, is both could stop this right now and the party is splitting... down right the middle.

And depending on how this works at the convention just how badly one side will scream we vere robbed and go home with their toys, and perhaps have a riot to add to the combo... good show man.

Either way I will vote for whoever comes out of this mess... with finger on nose... but I am not blinded by love to EITHER candidate. Perhaps that is why I can see what is clearly going on

Yes, HE has the popular vote right now, and she can get it through the Delegates, this is how this stands right now. why this is a TECHNICAL TIE, So once again, let me repeat this. EITHER OF THEM COULD STOP THIS RIGHT NOW, SINCE NEITHER OF THEM HAS WON. And yes, we are headed up a creek without a paddle.

[NMMatt]

8. Why the fuck would the winning candidate withdraw?

That is extremely patronizing to even suggest it.

[2rth2pwr]

10. Because Hillary won't. nt

[greyghost]

12. Great point. Hillary won't.

[NMMatt]

14. Except Hillary isn't winning and won't win

But of course, like your candidate, you supporters seem to have a disconnect with reality.

[greyghost]

16. I'm an Edwards supporter myself. Go back to psyche school. I'm

not buying that Clinton won't win either, she has more balls then most men in this racket.

[NMMatt]

17. If she does steal the nomination

She won't win in November with many Obama supporters staying home.

[greyghost]

18. Thing is, she can only steal it with the DNC's blessing. I'm only

interested in keeping that mad man away from the button. So I'll vote for who ever the Dem's put up.

[NMMatt]

19. They won't go for it

Obama only need 30% of the remaining super delegates assuming a 50-50 split in remaining pledged, although Obama is likely to get more than 50%. She's not going to convince more than 70% to give the nomination to the loosing candidate and thereby screw the Democrats chances this Fall. This will end in May or June at the latest as he keeps picking up more delegates - both super and pledged. If you would take the time to actually look at what has been happening, you'd see this. He's outgained in super delegates something like 7-0 (according Mark Halperin) since the 4th and has cut her lead from well over 100 to under 40 since Super Tuesday. After Wyoming, she's only cut his pledged delegate lead by about 6 since the 4th. He has a 150 or so lead in pledged and over 110 in total delegates. If you look at how the delegates are likely to line up in PA, at best Hillary gains 10, but more likely less than that. Obama's likely to get well more than +10 in MS, IN and NC to erase any gain she has there. Of course the media is too lazy to actually LOOK at how the delegates are likely to be awarded, rather keep putting out this bullshit Clinton spin about a tie and PA deciding something or another. People who knew anything about Texas knew that Obama would win the delegates even if Hillary won a small margin in the Primary - because of the Caucus and the congressional district. The media and Hillary were caught by surprise, of course.

[greyghost]

20. The media loves this and will try to fuel it as long as possible.

I'd love to see this resolved before the convention. It's that frigging 2025 number that bothers me most. She'll use it as justification to stay in.

[elleng]

13. In my opinion,

NEITHER need withdraw; BOTH MUST TELL SUPPORTERS TO CUT all the damaging rhetoric, and to NOT RESPOND to the provocative rhetoric of the media; they should follow up themselves. Without such, imo, the election is lost, the party is dead, and the country is gone.

And, NMMatt, I include your use of the f word, and your reference to 'patronizing.'

[NMMatt]

15. I understand your point of view

And although obviously Clinton supporters aren't swayed, it is important that the Democratic Party know that many of us won't stand for super delegates overturning the popular sentiment as far as the nominee and that many of us will not vote for president if they do. I also believe that since the Clintons are pursuing this cynical approach and tag-teaming with McCain to tear our party down, they need to be called on it. I wasn't born yesterday. I'm old enough to remember the damage done to our party during the 90's. But you are right that I've let my passionate stand on principle get the better of my language :P.

[SeattleGirl]

21. You said it!

I favor Obama, but I know I sure as HELL don't want McCrazy to win in November, so if Hil gets the nod, I'm voting for her.

I cannot take another 4 years of this fucking insanity!

[Skittles]

22. OMG NADIN - the fucking BOTS are doing it in THIS THREAD

:puke:

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. For both sides, I know

amusing, ain't it?

I wonder if a young Poli Sci Graduate student is taking notes... this place is full of good examples of what happens when you've got zero leadership at the top.

[donheld]

23. Let me guess, you will turn this forum around.

:D

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. Nah, but pointing things out, that are obvious to obervers, might get a

follower or two to THINK.

The lot of them... forget it... partisan thinking is like... group-thiink

[Ytzak]

26. My questions in the Voting booth during the General election will be...

(1) Which of the two candidates who can actually win within our two party system will come closest to matching my personal interest?
(1) Which of the two candidates who can actually win within our two party system will come closest to matching what I see as the nation's best interests?

John McCain is not an acceptable answer to either of those questions.

I will vote for the Democrat.