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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:25 AM
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RACISM! RACISM! RACISM!
The Clintons are racist! I've seen this vile lie spewed so much on DU by the O-bots that I literally want to puke.

Someone please explain to me why it is perfectly fine for African Americans to vote for Obama simply because of his race, and for Obama to be ENTITLED to the African American vote, and for an African American like Nutter to be crucified for NOT supporting a brother, for you to predict an Obama landslide in a state like MS simply because it has a high percentage of AA voters ...

And yet white Democrats are branded as "racist" if they don't support Obama.

The hypocrisy of the Obama supporters is astounding. You gladly, merrily, happily use race when it benefits your candidate; when it doesn't, you cry "racism!"

It that attitude that could well cost Obama a lot of support among white Democrats. But that would be racist, wouldn't it.

Bake
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:26 AM
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1. When is Hillary going to fire Ferraro? n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:31 AM
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10. For what? Speaking the Truth? People constanly post that Hillary is where she is because
she is married to Bill.People talk about her getting special treatmnet because she is a "womnan". Exactly how is that different from acknowledging Barack is where he is because he is black? That isn't 'racist" .It is a fact and Hillary is a woman and is married to Bill.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:37 AM
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16. For starters, Obama actually worked for where he is.
He was the one who spent 8 years in the IL Senate, four more in the US Senate, who wrote and delivered the great speeches that inspired people, who started the grassroots organization that supports and funds his campaign, and on.

Hillary Clinton won two US Senate races against weak opponents, and tells us that she deserves the presidency. Tell me that she would even be a Senator, let alone a presidential candidate, if it weren't for her husband's fame.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:38 AM
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19. Disagree. Hillary worked her ass off, too. n/t
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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27. Hillary won her Senate seat against weak opponents? ROTFLMAO
You obviously don't know who Obama's opponent was....Alan Keyes. Really, before you talk maybe you should check the facts so you don't look so silly. LOL
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:53 AM
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36. Yeah, but Hillary's first opponent was Ricky Lazio.
Yeah, he was a real challenge, too.

He was a dim-bulb Suffolk County GOP hack who got the nomination because no one else in NY would take it.

- as
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:38 PM
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47. Actually, Obama beat four people in a row for that senate seat.
Two Democratic primary challengers, against whom he originally ran third, before coming back to get 52% of the vote, beating out his nearest opponent by 29 points. Then mega-millionaire Republican candidate Jack Ryan, who Obama opened up a 20+ point lead on despite some pretty underhanded tactics, even BEFORE Ryan's sex scandal broke.

Keyes was just the sacrificial lamb they handed over because they didn't want to give up anyone who was actually qualified to take the horsewhipping that was going to be handed out.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:37 AM
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18. Both statements are ignorant. And here you are cheering the ignorance.
Good grief. Hillary is where she is because she's smart, tenacious, ambitious and fierce. Barack is where he is because he's smart, tenancious, ambitious and fierce.

Up until now, white men have had the most success in politics. Claiming that sex or race have been the determinative factors for Hillary's or Barack's success is just ridiculous.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:43 AM
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29. No, for saying something really fucked up and racist!
March 10, 2008

Disagreeing with Ferraro

Between the Spitzer story, Geraldine Ferraro's own pioneering status, and the dog-bites-man character of offense-and-apology stories these days, her reported comment that Obama wouldn't be where he is if he were white didn't get all that much attention today.

I asked the Clinton campaign for a reaction, though.

"We disagree with her," said spokesman Howard Wolfson.


While she's at it she should fire Wolfson for his despicable Ken Starr comment!

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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:45 AM
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30. O.M.G. Spoken like every friggin racist I've ever had to deal with. In my experience
the worst racists are the ones who believe they aren't.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:49 PM
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50. no, friend, the worst racists
are the ones that go along to get along so that they can hide their racism. Those of us that are not racist can say it like it is and let the chips fall.
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:16 PM
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81. Go away
Try again another day.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:46 PM
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92. Racists always believe they're "speaking the truth." They're belief that the inaccurate assumptions
they make about minorities are true is what makes them racist.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:51 PM
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93. Ferraro spoke the truth in 1988 about Jesse Jackson.
She will probably speak the truth again 20 years from now.

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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:05 PM
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96. Same defense the Freepers gave for Rush Limbaughs racist statements on ESPN
That's pretty fucked up.

"it's true because of affirmative action, political correctness, blah blah blah."
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:42 AM
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28. Elizabeth Edwards beat Ferraro to the punch months ago. eom
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:06 PM
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38. Ferraro is a party elder
noone can "fire' her.

Get a clue.

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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:39 PM
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48. Shes also a member of Clintons finance team.
You get a clue.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:42 PM
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91. She needs to reject and denounce Ferraro!!!
Funny how Hillary gets all self-righteous with Obama when the topic of Farrakhan comes up, and demands, and got from Obama a statement that rejects and denounces him.

But when Ferraro spews blatantly racist garbage from her piehole, the best she can do is "regret".
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:27 AM
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2. get out the matches and the gasoline....
or just go have some lunch...
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:28 AM
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3. WTH??
Everyone is racist, one way or another, they just don't admit it. Why does Obama get 90% of the black vote if blacks are not somewhat racist? They are voting on his skin color? Is that not so? Just a question.:think:
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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22. IWR..nt
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:59 PM
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94. Hillary had the MAJORITY of black voters
until she and her philandering husband rolled the race bait dice in South Carolina and crapped out. Now she is pissed that black folks won't knowingly vote for someone who would stoop to such levels to win over the bigot vote. Why SHOULD black people vote for Hillary when she (or her husband) has perpetrated the brown v. black meme, said some downright stupid shit about MLK and LBJ, compared Obama to JESSE JACKSON, had her surrogates out there implying Obama was a drug dealer/drug user, perpetrated the "muslim" meme "as far as I know", waving around his Kindergarten paper as if that means a damn thing, saying Obama isn't fit to tie her shoes by saying John McCain would make a better CIC, surrogates and "supporters" pulling all kind of race cards out of bigoted asses (can't figure out if he is a black dope dealing Rezko mafioso, a secret muslim terrorist, or a Farrakhan loving militant), and to top it off, some crazy biatch bundling money for her claims Obama is ONLY where he is today BECAUSE he is BLACK.

You really expect Hillary to get support from black people, let alone ANY decent Democrat after pulling these kind of ROVIAN REPUG tactics against a fellow Democrat she claims to be "honored" to run against? What I've just detailed is only the tip of the iceberg with her campaign. She has some of the most incompetent, petulant, elitist, corrupt, asinine bozos running her campaign - see Maggie Williams, Mark Penn, Wolfson. These people wouldn't know how to manage their way out of a paper bag.

You want black people to support an incompetent, disloyal, unqualified candidate like Hillary Clinton? Instead of worrying about what the hell black people are doing, you should be worried about what YOU and her other supporters are doing. Think about why most progressive, sane, non-bigoted people are with Obama. Think about how utterly clueless your own candidate is. Don't blame black people for having enough damn SENSE to know a WINNER when they see one.

Besides, I didn't hear ANY complaints when 90% of the black vote went to Kerry last election, when only 47% of Hispanic voters voted for the DEMOCRAT running, when slightly less than 50% of white voters voted for Kerry, etc. So now black voters voting in huge blocks bother "Democrats". Well I say you can stick that "concern" where the sun don't shine.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:59 PM
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95. Right.
The racists blacks gave Clinton 90% of their vote, as well as other white male Democrats over the years.

No one called them out on their racism then.

Or is it only racism if the Democrat is black? Just a question?

If you had an idea of how ridiculous you sound, you spew such BS.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:28 AM
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4. Aww hope you feel better soon!
Do you need someone to hold your hair while you puke?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:40 AM
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21. lmao
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:29 AM
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5. Are you African American?
No? Then when did you get to be spokesperson for them?

"Someone please explain to me why it is perfectly fine for African Americans to vote for Obama simply because of his race,"

All African Americans? Some African Americans? The majority of people in the exit polls who say that race was a factor in their vote vote for Hillary. I think that anyone who makes race a factor in their vote is a racist, but most voters don't.

Don't make broad-brush statements about ethnic groups — it's racist.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:31 AM
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11. WORD-
:thumbsup:

peace~
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:46 AM
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31. Well said

African Americans voted solidly for Clinton every time.

We really believed that he/she cared about us.

One thing we do very well is get extremely upset when a "dear friend that we trusted" turns on us.

Then WE becomes a real family. Just like a parent when they see their child is being abused by a neighbors child.

We are now united and fighting mad at the Clinton family,not everyone of us but enough of us.

Obama never said " Come on Black people, you know you've got to vote for me, I'm a Brother."

I can't recall him ever speaking to US directly as a group. His message is a message for a big tent.

And, we are proud of him,we don't have to apologize to anyone for being proud of the way he has run his campaign, his message of HOPE and the CONTENT OF HIS CHARACTER.

If Hillary had not displayed the real content of her character, we would not be having this discussion.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:14 PM
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40. "We"? Who appointed you spokesperson for the African American community?
Another item:"Hillary, a dear friend that we trusted, turns on us".What a load of bullcrap.

Is Hillary supposed to give Obama the green light to stroll into the White House just because he's a black man?
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:57 PM
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70. No, she's supposed to give him the green light because he's winning the nomination process.
That is if she's still with the party. It seems she's in the Lieberman wing now.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:41 PM
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73. Who appointed you for your community
No one asked him to stroll but thanks for inspiring me to donate to his campaign to help him out in case he needs more case.

:bounce:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM
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61. 18% is not a majority
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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:56 PM
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69. 18%? What are you referring to?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:29 AM
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6. I think your title summarizes your own feelings perfectly.
You seem to be awfully fixated on "black vs. white".

Actually, a lot of us on here simply support who we feel is the better candidate; whether it be the white woman or the black man. It's unfair to paint supporters of either candidate with such broad strokes.
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:29 AM
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7. Due to humanity's ancestral tribal beginnings, racism is ingrained into the
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 11:30 AM by genie_weenie
R-Complex

It takes a Neo-Cortex to overcome those base emotions.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:30 AM
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8. African Americans are voting for Obama because of his race?
Did you just broad brush African Americans?

Dear oh dear oh dear....
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:26 PM
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43. On tv, I see quite a few African Americans at Hillary's speeches
She seems to display them prominently.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:58 PM
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63. He's doing it again in Miss and Jesse Jackson Jr plus Bill Bradley are
threatening black supers with a challenge to their seats if they don't bow to his will.

Spin that hooligan.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:51 PM
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76. J.J. Jr is proving to be quite the nasty
imo.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:30 AM
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9. Your right it is not right. I was a Hillary supporter until I heard Obama's message
and saw the tactics of Clinton. However it also not right for him not to get the vote because he is black.

It is also not right for Hilliary to get the vote simply because she is a woman or not get it because of the same thing.
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 AM
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12. Sexism!
It's the same garbage as the shrill screams of "sexism" whenever Hillary supporters don't get their way.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 AM
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13. Calling the Clintons racist denigrates the true racism that still pervades our culture. nt
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 AM
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Exaggerrated Racism Claims are a lot like Exaggerated Sexism Claims.
Both sides of DU leap to make those kinds of charges which are at times ridiculous.

PS - all blacks candidates do NOT get black majority vote. so you make want to check some of your assumptions.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 AM
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14. Oh, bullshit. You accuse Obama of what Clinton is doing.
No one has ever argued that black people should vote for Obama because he's black, but Clinton has made that argument to women over, and over, and over. And nobody brands non-supporters as racists. You only get called that if you, shock of shocks, say something racist. As opposed to the Clinton campaign which has a long history of reading sexism into any criticism of the Annointed One.

And of course, they also have a long history of blaming Obama for all the thing that they're doing, like negative campaigning and using Republican tactics. One you've just carried on. Thanks.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:35 AM
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15. If it was simply about race, then black people would've supported Sharpton and Mosely-Braun.
I don't think we had an African-American Presidential Preference Meeting where we decided who to support for President.

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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:37 AM
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17. I see your point and I am African American but
I would have voted for Edwards. Clinton (before I understood the message of Obama and her many faces) and for sure Dennis!

We don't march in lock step, we believe in all the issues that are important to most voters ~ the war, economy etc/

I doubt many of us will vote for McCain or Republicans because we don't like their lack of support for our issues.

On one thing we are united ~ Katrina! That we will never forget!

I still am not voting for him because he is Black. I would not have voted for Larry Elder and he is Black.

You are painting us with a pretty broad brush to say that WE as a group are only voting for him because of his race. We are a more informed segment of the Democratic base than that, recall that we had to stand in long lines to have our votes snatched from us. We take voting seriously.

Are we voting for him now,huge majority are saying YES!

Why, not because he is one of us but as ironic as it may seem to some, we like him because he is reaching out to EVERYONE. We like that, we don't want him to be a Black President in the White House.

We want him to be President (of all the people) in the White House.



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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:39 AM
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20. The door seems to swing open only for Obama. Too bad that two great candidates' campaigns are
reduced to this in fighting on race.

Very sad.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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23. Calm down. I'll explain it to you.
Who says that the majority of African Americans are voting for Obama solely because of his race? No one has said Obama is entitled to the AA vote. Hilly had the majority of that vote before she fucked it up. Nutter has the right to support anyone he wishes. No one says that the vast majority of whites who don't support Obama are racists.

And quit pulling crap out of your ass.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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24. Hillary's racism is subtle, but transparent.
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kwassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:30 PM
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45. Why, it is downright imaginary!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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25. well someone's bitter their candidate is on a 2-14 losing streak
:rofl:
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:41 AM
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26. So white democrats will flee?
Hmm. Sounds like you're advocating white flight, as happened way back when schools were desegregated and urban whites fled to the suburbs. Was that racist? I kinda think maybe it might have been. But hey, that's just me, a white 50 y/o woman raised in Mississippi and who supports Obama.
But I happen to think that we have come a long, long way since then and that most democrats will support the dem candidate, no matter their race or gender. But hey, that's just me, a fairly liberal dem who lives in the year 2008, not 1954 or 1968. I believe Brown v Board was one of the greatest things ever to happen to our country. I believe that most whites are no longer afraid of "the black man" and can't be scared into voting for a warmonger.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:47 AM
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32. So why are all those states and other government agencies reporting how African Americans vote....
...in all their statistics regarding race, and also reporting the sex, ethnics, and all the rest of the demographics regarding elections? Are they a bunch of racists?

Matter of fact, where would either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama be if Hillary Clinton wasn't a woman and Barack Obama not an African American?

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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:48 AM
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33. Why is Lynn Swann not the Governor of PA? n/t
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:49 AM
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34. I could care less about someone's race or gender
Did I like Wes Clark because he was a while male? No, I liked him because of his gifts and what we could have brought to the table (and the White House)

Did I like Bill Richardson because he was a latino male? No, I liked him because of his gifts and what we could have brought to the table (and the White House)

Do I like Sen. Obama because he was a black male? Actually that would imply I liked him. I like what I see, I like what I've read, I'm iffy towards the person though. I would prefer more experience, but those with the most experience are out of the race. Certainly he's the best of the current choices in my opinion.

Do I dislike Sen. Clinton because she is a woman? No, she has brought enough negatives to the table (not to mention the lack of experience, even less than Sen. Obama's), that I do not feel she would be a good choice for president. It has nothing to do with race or gender.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:49 AM
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35. You guys are priceless....
you continue with this dumb debate about Obama getting 80-90% of the black vote. So what? We've voted for the "white guy" in those same numbers every election cycle. Did you question why we supported John Kerry in 2004 in unprecendented numbers? By your logic, perhaps we should have split our support 50/50 with Bush?

While you're pontificating, maybe you could answer why Latinos and Women support Clinton in much greater numbers? Broadbrush much?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:59 AM
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37. I don't see the problem with voting blocks
the latino vote will go to McCain in the GE if they can't vote for Clinton

PEW research states that 20% of white democrats will vote for McCain over Obama also

If 80% of white people vote for McCain is that racism?


I am sick of seeing everything called racist, it is going render the term meaningless before this election is over


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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:48 PM
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59. you know for a fact that Latinos will vote for McCain?
not likely, McCain represents the party that wants to ship their asses out of here. Where's the logic in that?
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:12 PM
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74. Actually just the opposite
It was McCain's path to legalization that alienated him from so many in the republican party last year.

He almost didn't win the primary here in AZ (his home state) because of it.

He now says he gets it, secure the border first, then deal with the problem of legalization.

He has very high favorables in the latino community here and in California.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:21 PM
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82. you may have a valid point, but i doubt it....
McCain's gonna have to play hardball to win over the racists in both parties, especially since the Repukes in Congress are trying to force an immigration debate as we speak. It'll be interesting to see which side McCain comes down on, and how his "constituents" react.
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:35 PM
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98. Well
48-50% of Hispanics voted for Bush in 2004. I think McCain would have gotten a sizable chunk of the Hispanic vote ANY damn way. Don't run that BS here.
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:54 PM
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51. Where did you learn logic
certainly not anywhere that actually taught you anything.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:46 PM
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58. ahh....your mother?
:shrug:
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:11 PM
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39. Not to worry...
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:30 PM by susankh4
:rant:

The divide and conquer strategy is working well for the good ole boys. Women against blacks!

And guess who gets the spoils?

We will get a white guy in the white house in 2008. And a white guy on the Dem. ticket in 2012.


:rant:
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:22 PM
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42. It's beginning to look that way, sadly.
Im a blue dem trapped in a red state. Color matters SOMEtimes...
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:19 PM
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41. SEXIST! SEXIST! SEXIST!
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:20 PM by Nederland
The Obamas are sexist! I've seen this vile lie spewed so much on DU by the H-bots that I literally want to puke.

Someone please explain to me why it is perfectly fine for women to vote for Hillary simply because of her gender, and for Hillary to be ENTITLED to the female vote, and for a woman like Powers to be crucified for NOT supporting a sister, for you to predict a Hillary landslide in a state like OH simply because it has a high percentage of older female voters...

And yet male Democrats are branded as "sexist" if they don't support Hillary.

The hypocrisy of the Hillary supporters is astounding. You gladly, merrily, happily use gender when it benefits your candidate; when it doesn't, you cry "sexism!"

It that attitude that could well cost Hillary a lot of support among male Democrats. But that would be sexist, wouldn't it?
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:02 PM
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54. You're a fucking idiot
are 90% of women voting for Clinton? I didn't think so. Too bad they didn't. But rest assured, if they did, you would hear about nothing else, and Clinton would be called the sexist.

I'm so fucking sick of Obama supporters and I'm not even a fucking Clinton supporter.

You people are toxic. I hope you like president McCain.
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Nederland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:38 PM
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57. True, 90% of women aren't voting for Clinton.
That's exactly my point.

People aren't voting for or against Clinton because of her gender. They are voting against her because of her positions. For the most part, racism and sexism have absolutely nothing to do with anything in this campaign. People are voting the way they do because of the positions the candidates have and anyone who doesn't get that isn't paying attention.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:27 PM
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44. Saying Obama would be nothing without his race is, yes, racism.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:34 PM
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46. A lot of black people will vote for Obama because
he is the black candidate
That is their right.
A lot of women will vote for Clinton because she is the woman candidate.
That is their right.
I have heard Hillary appeal to women to vote for her because she is a woman.
If Obama has made the same appeal to black people, I haven't heard about it.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:45 PM
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49. I'm so sick of the race card being pulled out by the Obama
supporters....I'm sick of that bullshit. It's an all out lie, everybody knows it, and the Clintons are so far from being racist it's not even funny. Most Obama supporters on this board sound like thugs.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:53 PM
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60. well you should probably tell the hillary surrogates to STFU then...
"thug"? Your entire rant is filled with anger & vitriol, doesn't surprise me. Project much?
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM
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66. blah, blah, blah


Go Hillary!!!!!
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. how eloquent....
:hurts:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:04 PM
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72. Yes, I was truly inspired by your statement
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gaspee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:58 PM
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52. The 90% argument (someone up thread got me fired up)
God, I hate that fucking argument.

It is 100% different - African Americans voting in 90% numbers in the GENERAL ELECTION of democrat vs republican.

The true analogy would be sometime in the past, the African American population voting 90% for one candidate or the other in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARIES.

African Americans voting at 90% rates for Barack Obama is racism, pure and simple. Oh wait, now I must be a racist :sarcasm:

It is a specious argument to bring up that African Americans vote 90% for dems versus the R's and dems never had a problem with it in the past. We're not talking about a general election, here. Of course AA's are not going to vote republican. Republicans built their platform and their base on racism - duh!

This argument needs to be slapped down every time it's made.

I am so godammed sick of the f**** race card being played by Obama and his supporters. We would never, ever hear the fucking end of it if so called "white leaders" or "women leaders" were calling super delegates behind the scene and threatening them or calling them names.

Quick, all you white people in Massachusetts --- call your senators and threaten them!

I've pretty much resigned myself to Obama winning the nomination and then getting slaughtered in the general. Say hello to president McCain, everyone.


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theredpen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:01 PM
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71. I didn't follow this at all
"African Americans voting at 90% rates for Barack Obama is racism, pure and simple. "

You followed that with :sarcasm:. Was that statement sarcastic? I hope so.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:59 PM
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53. Hear, hear!!!!!!!!
This is what I've been saying all along. The race card was definitely played, but not by the Clintons. The media fanned the flames and the Obama campaigned ran with it.

When I see how easily they have thrown the Clintons under the bus, after they both had been fighting for civil rights, women's rights and human rights years before Obama even knew how to tie his shoelaces, it breaks my heart.

Racism works both ways, as can be clearly seen this election season.

:(
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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:28 PM
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55. Well, where do we
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:32 PM by pompano
the Obama voters fit in that aren't African Americans or female? This racism/sexist card has been played just a little much I think.

I will vote for Obama for a few reasons:
1. He has a better message and for the first time I can hope for a change in the way things are being done in Washington.
2. I am so glad, in a sad way, that I can see what Hillary will stoop to in order to get a prize and not compete for it.
3. I said to myself many months ago that her voting record mainly towards the IWR and an uncomfortable feeling I had with her coziness to Republicans that she would be the last Democrat I would vote for. If she ended up with the nomination I would vote for her. I would hold my nose to do it.
4. I have had to rethink #3 for several reasons. Suffice to say what she said about Obama and McCain with regards to experience went over the top.
5. The only way this country can begin to heal is for a person to push new/diverse policies for , at least 8 years, to counter the damage GWB and the Republicans have done to this country. I can't under any circumstances see Hillary doing this.
6. We are in a war that is costing thousands of lives, thousands wounded, and $trillions. If a half educated truck driver living in Florida would have had enough sense to know GWB was a liar about the need for war I would expect a US Senator that represents 300 million people to have better sense.
She either didn't have enough sense or was mislead, neither of which qualifies for the POTUS, in my book.

Skin pigmentation or ovaries had no bearing on my decision. I am not alone.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:33 PM
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56. Last time I checked...
African Americans are voting because they're free now. To imply they're voting for Obama because of the color of his skin is elitist and belittling of their intelligence.

The subtle racism invoked throughout the Clinton campaign and among her minions does not elude them. They're not voting for Obama because he's "entitled" but because he's the obvious choice for a real change. Ferraro only confirms that. :D
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:26 AM
Response to Reply #56
100. "African Americans are voting because they're free now."
:thumbsup:



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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:23 AM
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101. George, you've hit another one out of the park...
and to the o.p.'s logic that some white Dems may not vote for Obama for what they perceive as "race-baiting". I would ask him to consider that many men, black/white/everything in between, will not vote for Hillary simply because they are sick of her chronic "victimhood", and dueling personalities. She has to make up her mind if she's going to be that CIC who's "Ready On Day One", or the Damsel In Distress. It's confusing for some of us........
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM
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62. Wait a minute. This looks like a pattern of referring to Obama's race by
Bill Clinton, then Rendell, then Ferraro. I'm not saying Clinton is racist, but to me, they seem to be trying to diminish him with that approach. People's perceptions are what matter in politics.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM
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64. He's trotting out the Drudge hit for Miss and referring to Hillary.
This is a true scorched earth campaign.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM
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65. Cultists sexists,delusional we've had a fair share of labels never been personal to HRC supporter
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM by cooolandrew
though. I don't think they may be racist but surrogates around them have race baited that's for sure bob johnson prime example.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:36 PM
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68. The GOP is that way >>>>
Sorry, but it sounds like you'd be a lot more at home there. This is just a warmed-over Republican talking point with the names changed.

As far as I'm concerned, Obama isn't entitled to anything. He earned my vote,a long with that of many others, because of his intelligent and principled positions.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:26 PM
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75. This doesn't deserve a response other than pffft.
:hide:
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:53 PM
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77. Oh! How the real racists must be loving this
and folks - there ARE real racists out there. But the Clintons are not among them.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:55 PM
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78. The Clintons are racist - That's Bullshit
For years the Clintons have so much for the black community, miles and miles more than Obama has ever done the black community of the USA and the world. To call the Clintons racist is pure bullshit.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:56 PM
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79. Its grown very stale
When is Obama going to run on the issues?
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More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:01 PM
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80. I'm a white Democrat, and I wasn't branded a racist
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 09:01 PM by Heaven and Earth
when I supported John Edwards, nor now that I am unaffiliated.

You don't speak for me; in fact, your race-tinged resentment is embarrassing me.
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:24 PM
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83. blacks tend to vote very liberal, obama happens to be more liberal
the media focuses on race for no reason.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:57 AM
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87. Bullshit. There's very little policy difference between the two.
Bake
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:29 PM
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89. not all about policy, my friend
obama has worked in civil rights (this is important to blacks). hillary, i dont know if she has or not, but i do know that shes and others associated with her have made some effort to appeal to bigots.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 12:38 PM
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90. You're right about one thing
It's not about policy at all.

Bake
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 01:20 AM
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99. thats right - its about hillarys divisive campaign
shes been trying to appeal to bigots for months now.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:25 PM
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84. You're full of shit.
I'm sorry, but you are.

A Clinton campaign strategist admitted to the Associated Press' chief political correspondent back during the South Carolina primary that the Clinton campaign aimed to marginalise Obama by painting him as 'the black candidate'. Hence Bill's Jesse Jackson comments, hence Ferraro's comments. This is a blatantly RACIST tactic. It's something that is INDEFENSIBLE.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:26 PM
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85. Why is it okay for women to vote for HRC, but blacks voting for BO is "running up the score."
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:32 PM
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86. I would have been fine with Barack if he hadn’t used race as a wedge
And it looks like Hillary's campain wasn’t prepared for such a low down dirty despicable thing
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 09:59 AM
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88. It's going to bite us in the fall.
But we'll see.

Bake
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-12-08 01:21 PM
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97. No one accused me of racism when I supported Kucinich.
No one accused me of racism when I supported Edwards.

But, now my support of Obama makes me a racist. Go figure. :crazy:
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 09:27 AM
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102. You need to educate yourself so that you can respond instead of just react.
If you don't understand that what Ferraro was saying was racist (regardless of how you want to juxtapose it to the opinions of selected Obama supporters) then I just feel sorry for you.

:dem:
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