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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:47 PM
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If you think Ferraro's comments hurt Clinton, you better think again.
Geraldine is quickly becoming the darling of the RW media, having already been lauded on BillO's radio show and on FOX News. Watch for Lou Dobbs to be all over it this afternoon, coming to her rescue and lambasting "PC liberals". It will play beautifully to Hillary Clinton's white, working class base, who absolutely loathe anything that smacks of affirmative action or political correctness. It's being spun as "she was just telling the truth". Hell, I've seen that sentiment expressed more than once here on DU this morning.

Doesn't matter whether Ferraro is asked to step down or not. The damage is done.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:49 PM
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1. I think race-baiting might work for Republicans.
Most racists are already voting Republican.

Democrat primaries? Probably not so much.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:52 PM
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5. I hope not... but
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:52 PM by redqueen
I'm starting to wonder.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:53 PM
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7. In the last week I've *really* started to wonder
:(
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:59 PM
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12. Race Baiting
has worked great for Obama. LOL Labeling the Clintons as racist got him plenty of votes.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
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14. Do you even understand what the term "race-baiting" means?
"Labeling the Clintons as racist got him plenty of votes."

When the Clintons go racist with this Ferarro bullshit, yeah, I hope it gets him plenty of votes.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:36 PM
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45. No he doesn't
But like many people here, he's just a screaming idiot. WEEEEEEEE!

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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
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16. Totally worked for Obama but splits the party. eom
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:03 PM
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19. So you think this is why he won states
with 1% or less black population like Idaho and Wyoming and Utah and Vermont and Maine, etc? But then I guess her supporters will say anything that is the opposite of reality! War = peace, up = down, 2nd = 1st, losing = winning. :rofl:
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:16 PM
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55. I agree - Obama playing the race card over pretend slights by "supporters of Hillary" is reason for
90/10 AA split rather than the 70/30 split before he played the race card.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM
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38. Don't count on it. In Ohio exit polls, 20% said race was deciding factor in vote, 85% voted Hillary
Which extrapolated to 31% of Hillary voters voting for her because she is white and Obama black.

This Ferrarro thing will appeal to similar types of people.

Hopefully Ohio was a fluke, but I fear it was not.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:43 PM
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50. Exactly. PA, outside of the big cities, is a carbon copy of OH. nt
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:03 PM
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54. OH and PA have some of the highest rates of hate groups per capita. Coincidence?
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:58 PM
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59. Yes, but those voters are mostly republican, especially in the cental part of PA
and it's "T".
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bornskeptic Donating Member (951 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:56 PM
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58. Blatantly untrue!
Of the 20% who said race was a factor, 59% voted for Clinton and 39% for Obama. Thus voters who admitted race was a factor constituted about 22% of Clinton's total and 17% of Obama's.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:32 PM
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42. Not all Democrats are the same.
I spent over 20 years in male-dominated blue collar industries, and resentment over affirmative action and equal opportunity is fierce. I also went to NV and TX to canvas for Obama and some of the comments I heard from registered Democrats were hair-curling.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:49 PM
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2. And what say you if Hillary's Black super delegates start to bail?
:kick:
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
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4. They don't have a choice but to bail
According to many, they have already been imtimidated into bailing
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:14 PM
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30. This isn't about superdelegates. It's about voters.
She will certainly lose some SDs because of the comments, especially if Ferraro remains on her campaign. But what Ferraro said plays to the deep-seated resentment of many white working class people toward affirmative action. Obviously, the campaign has no regrets, as evidenced by the way Ferraro is parading herself on every RW media hack outlet that will have her.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:18 PM
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56. if Hillary's Black super delegates bail it will prove Obama race card playing worked
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:50 PM
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3. John Alter said that the media was giving him a free pass...
because no one wanted to appear "racist" if they were not supportive of Obama. That is utter shit, but he still said it.
By the way, this militant PC crap has got to stop.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:55 PM
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9. So a member of the Clinton campaign makes a pointedly racist remark to stir up anti-pc sentiments
among racist white Democrats but if anyone points it out it's "militant PC crap"? :crazy:
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:00 PM
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15. She is not a racist. Her comment was not racist.
So only Obama can talk race, but HRC cannot. :wtf: It is this god damn PC crap has gone too far.
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Umbram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:14 PM
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29. "It is this god damn PC crap has gone too far."
From a Clinton supporter, this comes as no surprise.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:44 PM
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52. Didn't take long for them to come out, did it? nt
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:44 PM
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51. Thank you for proving my point, Mr. Dobbs. nt
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:53 PM
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6. Hillary has called for the Bigot-Vote many many times. Ferraro wasnt near as subtle about it.
she needs to take some pointers from hillary on this matter. just a suggestion.
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:03 PM
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18. Look - When your from Queens married to the MOB, you can't be too subtle
OMFG!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:16 PM
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33. Yeah, it was about as blatant as you could get.
Pretty shocking, considering how deft they've been with the more under-the-radar dog whistle kind of stuff up to now.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:54 PM
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8. you forgot her very good friend Gibson
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:56 PM
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10. Let me get this straight. You think that cashing in on the resentment white people feel toward...
political correctness and affirmative actions is a good way to win the primary and go into the election with McCain?


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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:04 PM
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20. You are right. This only helps Clinton in the primary.
If she pulls off the nom, McCain will be turning her into the "affirmative action" hire in November. But I think we both know by now that HRC is willing to lose the war if it means winning this battle with Obama.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:09 PM
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22. This is the kind of shit that fucks with the very fabric of our party!
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:10 PM by JVS
Don't expect to see too many black people (a group that regularly votes 85% or more for Democrats) making a point to get out the vote if she is gets the nomination using resentment against black people.

This is the kind of stuff that superdelegates might even step in to kill her campaign over. She is playing with fire here.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:57 PM
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11. It's untrue. It is a slam against affirmative action. And it won't sit well with superdelegates.
This is playing on white America's resentment of affirmative action, and blatantly so.

Hillary can no longer win without superdelegates. I'm going to guess they won't be too happy that a Dem candidate's campaign is spewing anti-affirmative action rhetoric on RW radio.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:09 PM
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23. I'm not talking about superdelegates. I'm talking about voters.
This will help her tremendously with working class white voters in PA. It's a no win situation for Obama. By making an issue of it, he drives more embittered whites to her. If he lets it go, her surrogates will keep making these kind of comments. At this point it should be pretty obvious that it's a deliberate calculated strategy.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
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28. It's not going to get her 80% of the vote in PA. And that's what she needs...
to win via pledged delegates. Thus, her only option remains superdelegates and this is NOT going to help her with them.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:33 PM
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61. That's exactly what it is!
A slam against Affirmative Action. A lingering sense of "white victimhood" among older, white, blue-color workers. Yep, Lou Dobbs is just gonna love Geraldine Ferraro.

After reading Ferraro's comments yesterday, I went home and re-read the excellent Newsweek cover story on Michelle Obama. Michelle speaks almost heartbreakingly about how she didn't fully realize her own "blackness" until she left the south side of Chicago for college and arrived at Princeton.

Michelle's thoughts are the perfect antidote to Ferraro's lashing-out.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:59 PM
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13. Clinton supporters: Congratulations on your latest exploitation of race.
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:01 PM
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17. OK - Fine let's go for the Older, White Guy, Blue-Collar Vote by
Persistently pointing out that we just can't have a woman going thru menopuase in the White House being do close to the Nuclear Button! Talk about answering the phone in the middle of the night! Holy Christ - if it happens in the middle of one of those mood swings - is she going to scream at Putin that she just can't take it right now! I think us older white blue-collar guys could relate to that. Let's play the demographic game to the hilt - let's appeal to the long in-bred conditioning of splitting working people about their fears of some other segment of the working class who will take their jobs. Nice Move! Rove is so proud of you that you have taken not just pages, but whole chapters from his play book!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:11 PM
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25. Are you talking to me? nt
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Riverman Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:17 PM
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34. Well Actually Hilary! But, if the Shoe Fits!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:42 PM
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49. I hope it doesn't! :)
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:05 PM
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21. I bet these comments will over real well with the Black folks in Philadelphia
:kick:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
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26. Her reasoning is probably that they won't vote for her anyway.
God help the party us if she gets the nomination this way. It will dampen turnout of one of the best democratic voting blocs. It's also so fucking wrong that it makes me want to puke!
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:10 PM
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24. Ferraro and Hillary: the perfect tag team.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:13 PM
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27. Draw a line in the sand..... this white guy will gladly stand on the other side and
not vote for anyone who exploits or promotes institutional racism.

And what Ferraro said is patently false. Obama is where he is today because of talent, attitude, hard word, and charisma. If he was white he would already have the nomination by now, probably right after Iowa.

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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:32 PM
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41. The real irony is Obama is half white....
So he would only be half advantaged according to the twisted logic of Ferrarro.
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:39 PM
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47. How many times do the Clintons get to act like racists before we ADMIT they are RACISTS.
They are a disgrace to the party and are tearing it apart.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:16 PM
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31. Yes that colored boy didn't really earn anything....
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:16 PM
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32. I Thought Again - You're Wrong. People Don't Like Racist Remarks
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:19 PM
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36. I wish I were wrong. But I'm not.
Lotta white people in this country who have been led to believe that affirmative action is taking their jobs and wrongly depriving them of their privilege.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:31 PM
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40. So, Your Premise Is We Should Give In To The Racists & Vote For HRC?
:wow:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:37 PM
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46. Hardly. I went to TX last week to volunteer for Obama.
I'm just pointing out a reality of our country. I believe Obama has what it takes to overcome the racism, but we all know it won't be easy.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:19 PM
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35. you're right HRC's racist base will eat it up
that's the point you're making isn't it?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:26 PM
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37. Yep.
Go canvassing for Obama in a white, working class neighborhood sometime and see for yourself. I have, so I know of what I speak.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:28 PM
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39. I'm sad because Ferraro's comments hurt my image of Ferraro
Not that I know much about her, but I always respect barrier breakers, and she really came through ahead of her time.

My respect for her just dropped about 70 points though, which is a real shame.

:(

David
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:33 PM
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43. I agree. I used to respect Ferrarro.
I have little use for people who appeal to the basest of our human instincts.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:35 PM
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44. She earned your lack of respect
What a stupid, elitist, racist thing she said....:mad:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:40 PM
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48. I really hope that feminists like Gloria Steinem take her to task for this too
A lot of prominent women leaders have gone down in my estimation for their shocking willingness to ignore and excuse the Clinton campaign's behavior WRT race.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:01 PM
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53. Ferraro's "message" is exactly why we need Obama vs. the stale Clintonian garbage
There is a long and wide trail of Clinton surrogates playing the "Stupid" Card over the past months. You can bet they are given permission to go out and be assholes. It's easy for them.

Ferraro is just another example of an another surrogate taking the low road. I guess she can always hang her hat on her wonderful race in 1984 with Fritz Mondale.



Nice job, Geraldine!

:rofl:

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 04:39 PM
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62. It's getting real tiresome, isn't it?
Geraldine's comment wasn't even bothering to disguise it in a dog whistle. I'd like to know why feminists such as her and Gloria Steinem think racism is a justifiable tactic to get a woman in the WH.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 PM
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57. Now THAT'S something to brag about! n/t
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 03:27 PM
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60. And Clinton's refusal to denounce Ferraro's comments is disgusting, and telling.
According to an interview with the Associated Press just now, when read Ferraro's comments:

I do not agree with that. It is regrettable that any of our supporters on both sides, because we’ve both had that experience, say things that kind of veer off into the personal. We ought to keep this on the issues. There are differences between us. There are differences between our approaches on health care, on energy, on our experience, on our results that we’ve produced for people. That’s what this campaign should be about.


You know what this reminds me of? Bush after the Swiftboat attacks began on John Kerry. He would say, "Well, I don't agree, but I think both sides are bad" all the time. Over and over. It was infuriating to me.

But not as much as watching a Democrat do it, that's for sure.
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