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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:19 PM
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What a ridiculous argument.
"If Barack receives the Nomination, he will do poorly among Women because they support Hillary Clinton and will vote for McCain if she isn't the nominee."

Think about this for a second...

It's like saying someone who hates lemon and likes chocolate, but really wants vanilla would choose lemon over chocolate because they can't have vanilla. :shrug:
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:20 PM
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1. They would vote for someone who is against a woman's right to choose?
Wow?
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM
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12. Yes, but he did get his wife off scott-free for stealing drugs from her...
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM by ALiberalSailor
...charity. So, that should win some points with women everywhere, no?
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:20 PM
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2. Hmmm...link?
:shrug: :popcorn:
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:53 PM
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27. Something about getting hooked on painkillers after an operation IIRC
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:20 PM
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3. That is stupid...
I guess McCain is the new champion of women's issues. :eyes:
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:22 PM
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4. There are a lot of stupid comments in GD:P
Particularly from the person you're getting that from.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:41 PM
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18. No shit! Who am I arguing to about this ridiculous argument ?
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:23 PM
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5. I think it remains to be seen
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:42 PM
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19. it aggravates me beyond belief to assume that women are a
monolithic block going for the gal. we vote for as many reasons as anyone else and some of us have actually been prompted to go with Obama because of her.
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elana i am Donating Member (626 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:57 PM
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29. no joke...
i've never wanted to vote for anyone less in my entire life than the scant little desire i have to vote for hillary.

i won't vote for a woman OR a man whose name is hillary clinton or bill clinton. i'm an equal opportunity clinton hater. it has less to do with her being a woman (although i definitely do think she's an embarassment to women!) than it does with her being a clinton and having an even lesser half named bill.

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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:24 PM
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6. I see quotation marks, but no source...
:shrug:
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:24 PM
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7. Not all women are Democrat and some are African American he'll be fine, is my guess.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:26 PM by cooolandrew
One of the most unlikely Republican woman I know of on voice chat likes Obama.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:25 PM
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8. Both sides are shopping some version of this kind of scenario.
I've actually seen idiots here say they'd vote for McCain if Clinton wins. Quite recently, too.

The worst you'll see is a slight depression in the total voter turnout amongst the disgruntled acolytes. No matter who gets the nom.

The only way that can be obviated is if they BOTH run on the same ticket. That would require some kissing and making up.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:26 PM
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9. i don't know but i sure am hungry all of a sudden - nt
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:26 PM
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10. Uh oh...you used "chocolate". Those "words" are RACIST.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:29 PM
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13. The "lemon people" are gonna rise up and start calling you a racist.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:30 PM
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15. Meant to reply to OP.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:52 PM
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25. They would be if...
I didn't like chocolate so much more than vanilla. :evilgrin:
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:27 PM
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11. Who the hell are you having this ridiculous argument with?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:29 PM
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14. That argument makes sense when you consider the source.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:33 PM
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17. I'm going to start arguing with the people I'm arguing against.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:33 PM by golddigger
:popcorn:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:42 PM
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20. Are you referring to that 25%?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:32 PM
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16. Not an accurate argument at all
I don't like either one, but I'll vote for the nominee. Won't vote for McCain, that's for sure.

I don't like this attitude that because I'm a woman I'll only vote for a woman. That's a stupid statement, I think.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM
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21. Coincidence that you chose chocolate and vanilla? nt
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:48 PM
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24. ...
:evilgrin:
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:01 PM
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22. You don't have agree with it. You only get one vote. The polls show that it's true:
"The vast majority of Democratic voters say they would support either Obama or Clinton over McCain. But in an Obama-McCain matchup, 14% of Democratic voters say they would support McCain, compared with 8% who would do so if Clinton is the nominee...

In addition, female Democrats look at the race differently depending on the matchup. While 93% of women in the party say they would vote for Clinton over McCain, just 79% say they would support Obama over McCain...

A quarter of Democrats (25%) who back Clinton for the nomination say they would favor McCain in a general election test against Obama. The "defection" rate among Obama's supporters if Clinton wins the nomination is far lower; just 10% say they would vote for McCain in November, while 86% say they would back Clinton..."

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1254
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:12 PM
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23. It's the "Blue Dog Extortion Racket"
The "centrist" (so-called) Democrat threatens to vote GOP if they can't have a "centrist" candidate.
The "leftist" (so-called) Democrat threatens to vote Green or write-in if they can't have a "leftist" candidate.

In the first case, partisans see a 2-vote difference ... one less for the "D" and one more for the "R".
In the second case, partisans see a 1-vote difference ... one less for the "D" but no more for the "R".

What I find remarkable is the batshit insane vitriol aimed at the "leftist" ... when the minority "centrist" is posing a far more destructive threat to ideological objectives.

As an independent liberal, I will NEVER surrender to that extortion.

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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:52 PM
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26. The Specter of McCain Democrats
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/the_specter_of_mccain_democrat.html
By Froma Harrop

"
A recent Pew Research Center survey supports my impression. It has 20 percent of white Clinton voters saying that if their candidate does not get the Democratic nomination, they might vote for McCain. Older, lower-income and less-educated Democrats also indicated some willingness to support McCain if Obama is the candidate. These are your Reagan Democrats -- blue-collar voters who responded to the broad appeal of Ronald Reagan.

Gilbert Ray, a Democrat from Fayetteville, N.C., describes this inner conflict as follows: "There's a lot that he (McCain) believes in that I disagree with, but unfortunately Sen. Obama doesn't appear to me to have any answers to anything."

"I was young once, and I remember not delving very deep into the candidates' qualifications," he went on. "But I'm 60 now, and I'm very worried about the country, especially after eight years of G.W. Bush and his insane non-government.".......

..... Recent reportage bubbled over Obama's ability to attract an overflow crowd of 10,000 to a Rhode Island rally -- twice the number that came to see Clinton in the same gymnasium a week before. Wouldn't it be something, the commentators said, if Obama prevailed in an old-school Democratic stronghold such as Rhode Island?

As it happened, Clinton handily won the primary with a 59-40 percent margin. While Obama's young crowds were jumping up and down in the gym, the Clintonian masses were sitting quietly in their suburban split-levels, rural Capes or blue-collar triple-deckers.

Lots can happen between now and November. But if Obama is the nominee, a chunk of the Democratic heartland could well be up for grabs. "
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:55 PM
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28. You got me.
I saw those comments. And I guess Obama is such a nasty sexist that they'll vote for a guy who was a serial womanizer all his life, divorced his first wife for a richer, younger model, and may have been doing the nasty with a lobbyist.

Politics, strange bedfellows, etc., etc.

I don't get it either.

- as
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