Pelosi: Split Ticket is “Impossible”

[tishaLA]

Speaker slams the door on “dream team” scenario.

“I think that the Clinton administration has fairly ruled that out by proclaiming that Senator McCain would be a better Commander in Chief than Obama.”


Gee, I wonder how Nancy really feels. http://thepage.time.com/2008/03/11/pelosi-split-ticket-is-impossible/

[flor de jasmim]

1. Isn't the next logical move to declare HRC persona non grata in the DemocratIC Party?

[DemVet]

87. Actually, if she does lose to BO, she could very well be the next Majority Leader.

Barack Obama will indeed have to cooperate and kiss Hillary's ass to get what he wants.

[Labors of Hercules]

99. no way in hell.

'nuf said.

[hueyshort]

199. Pelosi needs to stuff it in her piehole

whether or not she's right, it isn't her place to jump in.

[Pachamama]

225. Excuse me - but as a woman, I'm just curious what hole the piehole is that you reference?

:eyes:

PS: Nancy Pelosi is one of the highest ranking Democrats in Party Leadership. It is her place to jump in and frankly, its about time some of the leadership in the Democratic Party started speaking up and out about the outrageous behaviour and statements that have been made and are dividing the party.

[Shipwack]

228. Last time I checked, "piehole" is mouth...

... since everyone, male and female, both eat pie and speak with that orifice.... Why would it refer to anything else?

[Cherchez la Femme]

239. Sexist comment

I don't care if you ARE a woman, it's still sexist
even if you have a habit of stuffing pie into what you referred;
it shows no class, is juvenile, and SO not funny.

I'd expect this out of a male preteen, not an adult.

[Pachamama]

243. You meant to reply to Hueyshort, not me, right?

I as a woman was offended by the piehole comment and I thus wanted to know what he meant to it specifically....

[Cherchez la Femme]

249. Oops, yes

Very sorry :blush:

[NorthCarolina]

247. Err Umm....

So you'd expect this type of "sexist comment" from a "MALE preteen".... is the pot calling the kettle black?

[Cherchez la Femme]

250. This kind of comment

would much more likely issue from a male adolescent. If it's true, is it sexist?

[EnviroBat]

248. Oh NOOOO The "Sexist Comment" Police are here!

It's called free speech, and it's practiced extensively here. Get used to it, or BYE BYE...

[Cherchez la Femme]

253. Ah

so YOU can freely express your opinion while telling me I cannot?

There's a deserved 2 word response to that. Guess.

[EnviroBat]

255. Shut your "pie hole".

It's a mouth stupid. I don't need hyper-sensitive, fragile word police telling me what I can and can not say. If something you read offends you, do us all a favor, AND DON"T READ IT. Better yet, stay in bed all day, so nothing in this big scary world will "offend" you.

Oh and feel free to say "Fuck You" because you think your really clever. Nothing you can say will offend me, see unlike you, I've GOT a spine.

[Strawman]

106. She might be well suited. She seems alot like LBJ

especially in her efforts to tear down the presumptive nominee.

[DemVet]

110. "presumptive nominee" Geez, where do they come up with this shit?

"presumptive nominee" my ass. It ain't over until the votes on the convention floor. It should be interesting.

[Strawman]

123. Convention floor eh?

Good luck with that strategy.

[cui bono]

197. Not necessarily. Obama can still win. It's pretty much impossible for Hill to win.

[1776Forever]

I was thinking about that - How did that work out for JFK - making him his VP?

:wow:

Wonder if we will ever know the truth?

[texshelters]

184. Excellent Point!

She would be a good majority leader. Perhaps Obama can offer her that position while they're still running in the primaries:

Obama: "I would like to offer Senator Clinton the Majority Leader of the Senate Position in the Fall."

It's not too soon for that, is it?

Tex Shelters

[Tom Joad]

208. anyone who voted for Bushes war should be cleaning senate offices, not running them.

[I Have A Dream]

244. That's not how it works. From Congresspedia.com...

"The Senate Majority Leader is the highest ranking member of the majority party in the U.S. Senate. A senator is elected to the post at the beginning of each Congress by members of his/her respective party conference."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Senate_majority_leader


I don't think that the president has anything to do with it.

[texshelters]

185. Great Point!

She would be a good majority leader. Perhaps Obama can offer her that position while they're still running in the primaries:

Obama: "I would like to offer Senator Clinton the Majority Leader of the Senate Position in the Fall."

It's not too soon for that, is it?

Tex Shelters

[Shae]

147. Is that the consolation prize

since she didn't get the Presidency she "deserved"?

[BearSquirrel2]

166. It will never happen now ...

I don't think Hillary can ever accomplish this now. She has pissed off too many people by endorsing McCain over Obama. If Obama becomes president and get some real coat-tails (which I suspect he will), the name Clinton will be mud in the Senate.

[Cha]

214. hilary can kiss her own

freakshow ass.

[Creideiki]

238. Shouldn't be hard

Barack doesn't tend to want much. The Democratic Party platform will be crafted outside of Barack and he won't buck things overmuch. That's our best chance for extending health care to the 45 million uninsured Americans, solving economic issues and civil rights to the gay community. Could be nice, though. I think most Congressional Democrats are actually progressive.

[tridim]

113. Just throw her in with Lieberman and leave it at that.

It's obviously where she really wants to be. They can both plan their "independent democrat" party in private.

[0007]

150. As long as having a 'wet dream' ya might as well throw in Lieberman

and Kyle.

[flor de jasmim]

2. Isn't the next logical move to declare HRC persona non grata in the DemocratIC Party?

[ronnykmarshall]

3. Wow!

She's gonna be nomiated for Sainthood around here now for sure!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

82. God willing!

/s

[krkaufman]

134. And burned at the stake by others...

... for sure.

[Elidor]

163. Not exactly

But I'll give her credit for spelling it out plainly. She knows better than this Dream Ticket bullshit.

[redqueen]

4. Yup.

Shame that Hillary's campaign is so inept they didn't forsee that.

[democrattotheend]

5. I've always suspected she was rooting for Obama

The fact that most of her closest allies in the House have endorsed him was a big clue.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

120. Nancy's no fool.

[Zhade]

223. Yeah, she is - just not on this.

But when it comes to holding criminals accountable per their oath of office, no one off-the-tables it like Pelosi!

[GarbagemanLB]

6. Well done, Pelosi! K&R

[roguevalley]

128. if Pelosi says that biting remark in public, guess what is being said

in private among a lot of the superdelegates.

[CoffeeCat]

194. I'm relieved by Pelosi's remarks...

...It's nice to know that our democratic party is paying attention to
how utterly disgusting Clinton is being. It's nice to see someone
calling her out. It's also nice to realize that behind Pelosi's
comments are many, many politicians who have had it with the Clintons.

Hillary can't play dirty like this, and be so selfish and destructive--without
kharma coming back at her and biting her on the ass.

She didn't have to play like such a snake.

Choices have consequences.

[Zhade]

224. It's not just karma - it's Okharma!

Yeah, it's kind of a stretch...

[JAbuchan08]

234. Barackarma Obama? Barack Okharma?

nevermind

[anigbrowl]

226. My thoughts exactly - it may not even go to PA

If I was a superdelegate right now I would be worrying about the effect of 5 more weeks of mud-slinging on the party.

[Me.]

7. Um, What Clinton Administration?

The one that no longer exists or the one that doesn't?

[anigbrowl]

15. administration, campaign...slip of the tongue

She was trying to be nice and not make it a personal remark about Hillary herself.

[sunnystarr]

32. Or she was confirming that when it comes to Hillary

you can't exclude Bill!

[russian33]

116. the speaker was in a rush to take a stab at Sen.Clinton, she mis-spoke

it's all part of that big plan of uniting the party

[scheming daemons]

8. I guess Pelosi is now "dead" to the Hillbots too....

[GarbagemanLB]

11. She's obviously a self-hating sexist.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

118. Excellent! My favorite post on this thread so far.

[snooper2]

97. Pelosi doesn't matter...

nt

[walldude]

103. She's in good company...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5013533

[anigbrowl]

9. Hm! I'm surprised...

If that was her public comment, she must have gone absolutely nuclear in private. I don't think that particular woman is going to be at Hillary's back.

[Exilednight]

70. My thoughts exactly. I'd love to know what was said behind closed doors to bring about such a .....

statement.

[TAWS]

10. Wow, she basically just endorsed Obama

[papau]

64. Yes - she did

[Not the Only One]

142. Yeah, I audibly "wow"ed when I read this.

Wow. Seriously, wow.

That's quite a statement from the person who is the Permanent Chair of the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

Wow, again. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Democrat insiders must really hate Hillary.

[Connonym]

155. When Hillary made the comment about McCain having experience and Obama having a speech

she revealed her total disloyalty to the party. Why should the party support a back stabber? Hillary is dead to me after that whole fiasco. I'll still vote for her if she's the nominee simply because I believe that we need the party to win. Evidently Senator Clinton doesn't hold the same belief, by her words I think she'd personally vote for McCain over Obama and that is treasonous.

[MH1]

180. Some of us saw that on October 31, 2006

When Hillary Clinton sided with Rove and McCain in the right wings twisting of John Kerry's words (that came to be known as the "botched joke" but was really "you got played again, Democrats").

She took an opportunity to insure Kerry was out of it even if it might hurt the party in the 2006 election that was just days away. There were many alternative responses, but she chose to give credibility to the right wing smear, instead of backing up a fellow Democrat who she knows DAMN WELL didn't mean what the right wing said he meant.

I am sorry that Hillary is the way she is but I am not sorry that more people are finally realizing it.

[Quixote1818]

161. I think it was a shot across the bow for Clinton. Basicaly she is telling her to end this BS. nt

[jkshaw]

12. tisha

I love your Obama icon! May I copy it?

[Tropics_Dude83]

19. HUGE-YOWSERS!!!!!

Sweet. Now we know that she probably will endorse Obama after the 1st ballot and use her stature to perhaps bring other superdelegates towards him.

Pelosi and Carter can whip the supers during the 2nd ballot. I wonder how Edwards and Richardson will do whipping up votes for HRC after the 1st ballot.

[Hawkowl]

43. There is only going to be one ballot

SD's get to vote on the first ballot and Obama will only need about 30% of them to win the nomination outright. So there is only going to be one ballot.

[tblue37]

167. ??? Have *they* endorsed HRC? I had not heard that they had--

and I sure as heck hope they haven't!

[RaleighNCDUer]

186. And why would Edwards back Hillary?

She's solid DLC, and the DLC SCREWED Kerry/Edwards in '04.

Much as I agree with Pelosi, I am surprised. You think the Dems are finally beginning to wake up from their long DLC nightmare?

[ekwhite]

213. What makes you think Edwards and Richardson will work for Clinton?

I would think that if they were going to do so, they would have done so by now.

[tishaLA]

21. of course you may

[jkshaw]

72. Thanks tisha!

[soleft]

13. Love your sig line!

[tishaLA]

50. thanks. I like your avatar.

[AndyA]

14. Fuck you, Nancy.

If you'd get off YOUR sorry ass and do YOUR fucking job, Bush and Cheney would be under impeachment right now. Instead, Congress is WASTING ITS TIME investigating steroid use among ball players. Yeah, that has a HUGE IMPACT on the American people.

Why, there isn't a day that goes by that my life isn't negatively impacted because some pro ball player is using steroids. :sarcasm:

Ignore high gas prices and the OBSCENE oil company profits.

Ignore the LIES of Bush - 935 just about Iraq.

Ignore all the other crap going on, all the laws being broken.

So, tell us Nancy, WHAT, EXACTLY, does Bushco have on YOU that prevents you from DOING YOUR FUCKING JOB?

GO GET ANOTHER JOB, NANCY. YOU'RE FAILING AT SPEAKER.

(My apologies to DU for the language, but this type of bullshit from Nancy just disgusts me. She's a fine one to talk about anything. She needs to mind her own business, and DO HER JOB which she is FAILING MISERABLY to perform.)

[scheming daemons]

17. Yep..... answered. Pelosi is now "dead" to Hillbots...

...

[clevbot]

23. naturally

[LSK]

24. Ironically, Hillary has lead the impeachment movement

NOT!!!!!!

[XemaSab]

37. Seriesly

:eyes:

[AndyA]

40. I am NOT a Hillary supporter.

I've been and still am an Edwards supporter.

This isn't about HILLARY - it's about the SPEAKER of the House sticking her fat foot in where it doesn't belong. She needs to focus on what she SHOULD be doing instead of interjecting her feelings in other topics.

The #1 thing on Nancy's list right now should be Bushco. They've literally been getting away with MURDER for over 7 years. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, NANCY.

[redqueen]

Interjecting? Did she contact the media and demand to be quoted?

Sorry, but you're overreacting.

[flor de jasmim]

53. Her foot does belong there - she is concerned about ...

what will happen to Democrats in the upcoming congressional elections.

[AndyA]

66. Maybe she should have worried about that over a year ago,

when she gave Bush the "get out of jail free" card when she said impeachment was off the table.

[tishaLA]

75. no disagreement here

but Pelosi loves the party and wants to get things accomplished in the House. She doesn't want all the progressive legislation to face a veto. And I think she sees a more progressive legislative agenda with Sen Obama than with Clinton.

[BearSquirrel2]

169. Especially since ...

Especially since Republicans will show up just to vote AGAINST her even though they hate McCain and would stay home otherwise. Of course, when they pull the "Republican" lever they will keep a lot of really nasty cusses in the House as well.

General apathy towards the John McCain candidacy could yield some really significant gains in both houses. We shouldn't bait the conservative election hook with Hillary.

[SwampG8r]

107. where it dont belong?

i am pretty sure that as house speaker shes much closer to the presidency than hillary will ever get in her life
so lets keep the score hillary endorses mc cain and you are ok with it
the highest elected democrat calls a foul and you go against her to defend the undefendable
i pity the fools who allow this nation to be governed by these hillary followers
they will swallow anything as long as the clintons say to gag it down
end the madness no clintons ever again

[dansolo]

198. She's a superdelegate and a party leader.

She is well within her right to speak. I believe that she was intending to stay out of the fray and remain neutral. The fact that she has spoken out now suggests that the party leaders have had enough.

[ekwhite]

215. From listening to the interview, she went out of her way to remain neutral

She really didn't give that answer until the reporter pressed her on it. Her answer is quite revealing though. It is clear that she is not happy about Senator Clinton's remarks. Many more of these, and there might be a very strong response from party insiders.

[RainDog]

206. No, this is about Hillary fucking the demo candidate w/ the McCain remark

Party loyalty, that is the speaker's message. and as speaker, that is one of her jobs. If she can do that one, maybe she can also put impeachment back on the table where it belongs.

But she is right to tell Hillary to stop with the Zell Miller impersonations.

[knixphan]

54. lol.

[leftynyc]

89. I see what you're saying and

I'd agree she was being thrown under the bus if I hadn't been part of this board for the last 5+ years and watched as Speaker Pelosi was castigated almost daily since made Speaker by people who are now split over an entirely different reason. So as I see it, Clinton supporters will now hate her (if they hadn't already which many of the people on this board did) and Sen Obama supporters will have a new found love for her. Hypocrisy abounds on both sides every fucking day here.

[pleah]

157. I am not a Hillbot or an Obamatron and Pelosi was dead to me when she

took impeachment off the table!

[BearSquirrel2]

172. She doesn't have the votes for impeachment ...

The blue dogs won't go for it. She plain doesn't have the votes.

However, I am VERY disappointed that there haven't been more investigations on war mismanagement and Katrina mismanagement.

[RaleighNCDUer]

189. Blue dogs & DLC.

You know, Hillary supporters.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

18. LOL

:nopity:

[rateyes]

59. I tend to agree with you about Pelosi,

and still hope Barack beats Hillary.

[DemVet]

109. Well said. n/t

[roguevalley]

130. I agree with impeachment but the rest, finally something sensible`

from pelosi.

[Lilith Velkor]

220. Lying about Clinton and prolonging the primary fight is not sensible

Pelosi should STFU.

[delt664]

176. Im with you on this one....

If you arent part of the solution, you are part of the problem. And Pelosi has been in the best position to be part of the solution of anyone I know of...and took it "Off the Table"

[hamnose]

191. What?

I'd love to see impeachment too but how the fuck are you going to impeach let alone override vetoes when you don't even have a 60% majority? If there weren't so many entrenched establishment type dems who insist on ignoring the South and Midwest then there might be that 60% plus majority in both houses. For the simple reason that it will not go through, impeachment isn't that important. And I would point out that talking to the press is part of her job. And BTW Edwards isn't on this impeach Bush bandwagon either. I'd love to see him face criminal charges. But then again there is something wimpy about the Democratic party. And yeah, it pisses me off too but were you this pissed off when the Republicans hijacked the legislative process? This congress has done a lot, you have really gone off the deep end pal.

[fascisthunter]

16. Split Ticket is "Off the Table"

from that "Off the Table" Pelosi....

[krkaufman]

126. beat me to it.

Does this mean that there's now room to put impeachment back *ON* the table? (phone call-in campaign, p'raps?)

[XemaSab]

20. *sniff* *sniff* *sniff*

I smell an endorsement! :D

(Man, I would LOVE to see Obama, Pelosi, and Richardson sitting up there next SOTU! :D )

[TAWS]

25. If she endorses, you can bet she will bring a lot of endorsements from congressmen

[JimGinPA]

22. Pelosi Is Sexist

:rofl:

[skooooo]

26. Wow Peosi did something that made sense...

Stop the presses.

[cascadiance]

27. I just hope that her record of inaction on issues that Dems wanted solved with a new congress...

... don't reflect what she sees the way that Obama will run things. She's been a huge disappointment. That's my biggest concern still with Obama, is that he's not being more strident in positions that benefit Americans at the expense of the Corporatocracy... I hope he's only doing that to make sure that the corporate media doesn't try to squash him more than what is already happening with the Hillary camp and will later show some more populist leanings after he wins the election.

[tishaLA]

42. I'd like to believe that she wants an administration

that won't stymie her at every turn, like george's has. I'd also like to think that she imagines it will be easier to get a legislative agenda through with an Obama administration than with a Clinton administration.

But I agree, her tenure these past 15 months has been terribly disappointing.

[cascadiance]

65. Even if we have to do it post facto. Impeachment is NECESSARY!

I hope there's no "deal" that it won't happen if Obama's elected. Then again, Hillary has never answered the question on whether she would pardon Bush or not either.

[anamandujano]

48. Obama as pres will make her lazy@ss look good. I suspect that's why

she wants him in.

[BearSquirrel2]

173. Wow did you really just do that ...

Did you really just call Obama lazy???

[anamandujano]

190. Yup, everyone else does the work and he takes the credit.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4811018

[hamnose]

192. yeah right

The press and political establishment are part of a conspiracy to elect Obama. Maybe Hillary can squeeze out a few more tears before Pennsylvania to overcome the unfair treatment she gets.

[goclark]

28. Give me some water somebody ~ Nancy finally got a spine

That is the way that a Speaker is suppose to talk.

She must really be feeling the heat of this battle to come out and say that phrase.

Now if she had only said,"Impeachment is right in the middle of the table, it can stay on or it could go off inch by inch and I've got a huge table."

That's what a real Speaker would have proclaimed.

[LSK]

35. well she did bury the Protect America Act

This time around...

so far....

[SwampG8r]

114. well

its not like the democrat congress has really given her much to work with
i have spent these months waiting for the legislative payoff
we all must know when you run the show you call the agenda
so why is the agenda still quietly waiting?
sheer numbers alone and natural incrementalism should have us changing the nation


do we have another group of pols who dont want to do any of the heavy lifty history requires?

[lonestarnot]

205. Nah that was her asshole talking. That woman will never get a spine.

And I am not referencing the comment either.

[greguganus]

29. She's race-baiting Hillary! n/t

[cooolandrew]

30. Hey she keeps taling like that. She'll get my support for VP.

[cooolandrew]

31. Hey she keeps taling like that. She'll get my support for VP.

[cooolandrew]

33. Hey she keeps taling like that. She'll get my support for VP. It's gotta be a woman vp.

[JackORoses]

34. Long Live the Gang of Five! I knew they wouldn't let us down.

[Tropics_Dude83]

39. I love Nancy Pelosi dearly

And she earned being the speaker of the house unlike that despicable race baiting potential racist Hillary Clinton.

[scheming daemons]

36. This better be a lead story tonight on all the networks... "Most powerful woman in US slams door ...

...on woman trying to BECOME the most powerful woman in US."

[doublethink]

49. Nice lead in to the story ......... works for me. :)

:thumbsup:

[krkaufman]

137. Or ... leading Democratic politician, House Majority Leader Nancy Pelosi ...

... criticizes Democratic Presidential candidate for promoting a Republican.

[greguganus]

38. I just realized how sexy Nancy is. n/t

[redqueen]

62. Heh...

:)

[Levgreee]

41. not suprising that she cares about party loyalty

[rucky]

44. Impossible?

If Dan Quayle can get elected VP, then anything's possible. There's not enough respect for the VP position that would make Hillary's unwise comment rule out the possibility.














'

[krkaufman]

138. Yeah, it isn't "impossible" ...

... and Nancy likely won't have final say. I read it as Pelosi basically criticizing Clinton's promotion of McCain.

[BearSquirrel2]

175. Dan Quayle never endorsed ...

Not once did Dan Quayle endorse Michael Dukakis over George Sr. I also never heard him endorse Bill Clinton over George Sr.

You see how that works. Even Dan Quayle had better instincts on crossing party lines than Hillary Clinton. Ironic.

[4themind]

45. Oh Snap!

Pelosi regulating

[Hart2008]

46. I am waiting for someone to call Pelosi a sexist now....

:eyes:

[rucky]

57. See post 38

[angie_love]

47. Youch! Nancy is pissed!

[Umbram]

51. Heh, ouch! (nt)

[Upton]

52. Pelosi hates women

[dempartisan23]

55. clinton is slimy

and pelosi knows it

[Zynx]

56. I'm waiting for people who normally trash Pelosi to praise her now.

I'm sure it will happen.

[ronnykmarshall]

63. Like I said ..

she'll be nominated for Sainthood now.

[redqueen]

67. People do good things and bad things... it's their actions we should address. (nt)

[cascadiance]

73. I think that's more apt to happen with Donna Brazile...

... who in many other instances folks like me will criticize, but in the case of how the superdelegates vote, she was one that was out front on this before most anyone else in saying that the popular vote should be respected by the delegates in very strong terms. Though I don't let her off the hook for other things, I strongly support her actions there.

As for Pelosi, she seems to be "jumping on the bandwagon" a little bit, and has far more stuff that I still have a problem with, even if she does call the Clinton's campaign strategy for the BS that it is on this issue...

[krkaufman]

139. Why should the "popular vote" be weighted greater than the delegate count?

Just curious....

[cascadiance]

141. I meant to say popularly voted in "pledged" delegates as opposed to super delegates...

And damnit, pledged delegates SHOULD be what counts and not overridden by the "Politburo" Super Delegates. That is counter to democratic or representative rule principles.

[krkaufman]

145. Gotcha. That saves me one heated posting.

:)

I can imagine a possible need for superdelegates to override the pledged delegate count, but only if there was known interference* or tainted elections** in one or more states affecting the delegate count. But overriding the pledged delegate count simply because the party elders think one candidate is slightly better than another, hypothetically, is complete bullsh*t.


* e.g. malicious crossover voting for Clinton in TX.

** e.g. were the MI & FL delegations to be seated as-is.

[cascadiance]

158. superdelegates might make sense for something like a "spitzer" style event...

If we had a nominee been decided who's suddenly exposed in a fashion that Spitzer has been, obviously a new candidate would need to be found in such an emergency. Then, perhaps with a vote of the then pledged delegates or something like that, the super delegates could be "activated" to help steer votes to the next best candidate or someone else (like Al Gore) in that instance. But then super delegates should only be used in such emergencies, not as a "normal" way of manipulating the primary vote counts. Super delegates, as voted in officials, if we restrict those who are in there to just being voted in officials, in a way are the best way to represent what an alternative "vote" would happen in the instance of such an emergency and would then make sense. But used as they are today, they function as a sort of "Politburo", which this country increasingly can do without as the need for more grass roots involvement to force big changes is more and more important.

[thoughtcrime1984]

111. Good judgment may be praised at any time

Our nation has shown so much poor judgment, that any good judgment is a breath of fresh air!

[Heathen57]

233. Sorry, It won't happen with me.

She has been on my "spineless" list for quite some time.

However on this she is correct. Those remarks that Clinton made on several occasions were past going against a rival. She was actively promoting the Republican over a Democrat. Pelosi was correct to and is within her rights as the leading Democrat, come down on such things. It hurts the party and its chances as a whole in the GE.

[EstimatedProphet]

236. Wait no more - it's going on in this thread.

DU civil war approaches.

[Maineman]

58. Good deal. And the next little Clinton game is?

I am glad Pelosi cleared that up so the Clintons would be less likely to try to continue this little game. Perhaps they can think of some insults to be tossed around by some of their operatives.

[krkaufman]

140. That game has already begun.... denigration of caucus-derived delegates

The Clinton camp knows they cannot catch Obama on elected, pledged delegates and so are now trying to make the case that the popular vote leader should be the nominee, regardless of the final pledged delegate count.

Their strategy (however wrong) is based on planting the concept that caucus-derived delegates are less representative than primary-derived delegates, due to the relative turnout of caucuses vs primaries, and so Obama's pledged delegate lead should be disregarded as not representative of the "will of the people." Once that's been accomplished, they'll make the case that the superdelegates should vote to insure that the popular vote winner becomes the nominee.

Of course, once they fail to win Pennsylvania by a large margin, their strategy will again adjust.


(I'll skip w/ pointing out just how wrong and deceitful they are.)

[Ian_rd]

60. Whoa! It always shocks the hell out of me when a Dem says something so plainly

Go Nancy. She sounds pissed!

[BeyondGeography]

61. "The Clinton Administration"

curious wording there...at any rate, good to see Hillary's powers to offend extend to Madame Speaker.

[jkshaw]

79. I look upon that "Clinton Administration" slip as a

FREUDIAN slip! It would indeed be a Clinton Administration II.

[writes3000]

68. I called it early. Sure enough, Dem Party Leaders are PISSED.

They don't take that shit lightly. Nor should they.

[malik flavors]

69. So let's see Repubs hate Hillary & now many establishment Dems hate hillary...

Good luck getting much done in your 4 years when everyone you have to work with has a distaste for you.

[donheld]

232. What are you talking about?

With Hillary as a common ordinary senator she will not be able to imped President Obama from getting things done.

[seabeyond]

71. i think i am going to have to agree with nancy. n/t

[knixphan]

74. Nancy holds it down.

'Regulatin' is right!

Good on ya, Nancy. We'll get you a real majority shortly, so you can get Conyers' national healthcare bill onto Pres. Obama's desk.

Smack!

That's the sound of the 'dream ticket' running into a real empowered woman.

Somewhere, John Edwards is on the phone with his publicist...

[pberq]

76. Pelosi has finally done something right!

[Larkspur]

77. What Nancy finds a backbone for a minute to slam HRC?

Kudos to her for saying the this. HRC screwed her chances to be Obama's VP when she said McCain would be better than Obama because of experience.

Now, Nancy, keep that backbone and use it against the Repukes.

[DeadElephant_ORG]

78. holy shit. And all these Hillary supporters keep telling us "But she never said..." uh huh...

[Lilith Velkor]

221. She didn't, and Pelosi's lying doesn't change that

even if you really really want it to.

[Political Heretic]

229. Yes. She. Did. Audio, Video and transcript >>>>>>> you.

[Lilith Velkor]

242. Sorry, I don't have a decoder ring that translates English into What

I interpret "McCain has more experience" to mean "McCain has more experience."

But hey, whatever helps keep the party divided, right?

[oviedodem]

80. Memo to All: Take heed if Clinton becomes president - She is not LIKED

[aquart]

245. Bush was LIKED.

Even Molly Ivins LIKED him.

[mudesi]

81. I am NOT happy with Ms. Pelosi's performance as speaker

But that quote is spot on.

[BootinUp]

83. Take a chill pill Nancy!

good lord, what a whiner. lol.

[writes3000]

85. Stating facts isn't whining. Complaining about facts is. n/t

[BootinUp]

90. She distorted the "facts"

Clinton never said McCain would be a better commander in chief.

[writes3000]

98. "McCain will bring a lifetime of experience into the White House. Obama only has a 2002 speech."

And I believe the topic was "Who would be a better commander in chief?"

Facts.

[BootinUp]

100. Thanks for citing evidence to prove my point. nt

[writes3000]

108. Plugging your ears and going "la-la-la-la" doesn't change what's going on around you.

You may want to parse words but Clinton's intent was clear.

More and more people are speaking out about it.

[BootinUp]

115. If you are going to interpret her statement

it only makes sense to interpret it in the context of a primary campaign and who would do better against McCain. Yours and Pelosi's interpretation is faux outrage.

[writes3000]

121. Clinton didn't say "I'm more experienced than Obama." That would have been fine.

She said ONLY she and McCain have a lifetime of experience to bring into the White House.

I might have even been okay with that statement.

But my outrage comes from her claiming that in this context, Obama ONLY has a speech in 2002 to offer. That is complete, utter bullshit.

So it wasn't a factual analysis. It was a targeted smear. One that lifted up the Republican candidate while she blatantly distorted and demeaned the Democratic candidate.

It was and is outrageous.

[BootinUp]

122. Basically I am in the no blood no foul camp at this point. Obama has taken

his disgusting shots at her as well. Alls fair at this point.

[writes3000]

124. Great. You finally admit that it was a cheap shot.

I don't like cheap shots but I understand that they happen.

I am outraged at a cheap shot that lifts up McCain at Hillary or Obama's expense.

If Obama said, "Senator McCain would be bring much more authority as Commander in Chief than Senator Clinton would." I'd scream bloody murder.

[writes3000]

127. PS - Give me an example of something Obama himself said about Clinton that compares. Thanks.

[BootinUp]

129. "She'll say anything"

in addition to his attacks on the Clinton administration, his radio ads and mailers, the attacks he started in November, the tone of this race was set by Obama.

[writes3000]

131. Obama himself said "She'll say anything?"

When he did say it, if he said it, did he claim that McCain had more integrity?

[skyounkin]

227. The

problem isn't that Obama mght have said that it's that she Will say ANYTHING!!

Endorsing mccain is enough for me to look down upon her with disgust.

[Political Heretic]

230. That *IS* blood.

[knixphan]

125. ex-Actly. treason.

[Armstead]

160. Yes she did -- C'mon admit it.

You've heard it. There is no otehr logical conclusion to be drawn from her statement.

Even if you like Hillary, you can still admit that she screwed the pooch with that line of attack.

[writes3000]

84. Did you see the VIDEO???

I love that Nancy comes back at the end and says "I didn't want there to be any ambiguity."

Damn.

[Zachstar]

86. Finally! Thank you for saying this!

This bullcrap idea for Obama as VP needs to sail RIGHT out the window.

[NJSecularist]

88. Why does Nancy hate women?

What a misogynist.

[CreekDog]

91. Obama won Pelosi's SF district

keep that in mind.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

92. You go girl!

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

93. Obama/Pelosi

[BootinUp]

95. lol nt

[leftynyc]

94. It would be nice if Speaker Pelosi

showed that backbone against the other party sometime.

[walldude]

104. Yeah really...

Nice time to grow a spine :eyes:

[ekwhite]

217. Amen! N/T

[loveangelc]

96. go Nancy!

[Barack_America]

101. I like her style of politics.

I gotta say it. We can of course debate how effective she is at her job, but I like the way she plays the game.

Old School.

She gives hints, but she does not declare.

She sends her foot-soldiers out to do her bidding, but she stays "neutral".

It is so obvious who she supports, but you could never prove it.

[Metric System]

102. Pelosi seems like a shit-disturber here. She could have taken the high road and acted as peace-maker

but I guess that was off the table.

[writes3000]

105. Didn't you hear? She tried but she was rebuffed by the Clinton campaign. n/t

[Politicalboi]

183. Hillary should have taken the high road

Instead she throws the kitchen sink at him. What did she expect would happen? What did you expect would happen?

[backscatter712]

112. Pelosi's doing something right for a change!

Don't get me wrong, I'm furious with her for her failure to even try to impeach.

But at least she's putting her foot down in this case.

[debatepro]

117. Thats when they crossed the line for the 500th time...

seriously... there will be campaign commercials in the GE with hillary's endorsement.

[blogslut]

119. Palamino!

Go, Nancy!

[David Zephyr]

132. Nancy is probably too late. The Clintons have done too much damage now.

Geraldine Ferraro's comments are probably going to be the last straw. I'd figured this could play out to May before Hillary would have passed the point of no return to be Obama's VP.

I think she's just about out now for good to even be considered.

If Obama is smart (and he is) he will just let the Clintons keep up their shit (and that's what it is shit) because it is turning off more and more Democrats who will give him the green light and approval to keep her off his ticket.

I'm slowly coming around to the fact of accepting there can be no dream ticket and the best strategy is to let Hillary destroy what little credibility she has left all on her own.

The more negative she goes with her "kitchen sink" the greater the understanding becomes with voters that she is not a team player and would be a hazard to Obama.

On to Denver!

[Diane R]

144. I do think Obama knows that letting Clinton's words fester for awhile and cause disgust, is good.

[berni_mccoy]

133. WOW!

[polichick]

135. That was a terrible statement - good for Pelosi!

[Perky]

136. "Clinton Administration"????

[powergirl]

143. WOW!

That took some courage to make that statement. As a woman, and an Obama supporter, I wonder how many others there are like me that believe that Sen. Clinton's campaign is hurting women across the country. She's making us all look bad. And I don't want her to say she is representing all of "us." Maybe Speaker Pelosi feels the same way. :shrug:

[galaxy21]

146. Will this be the wake up call Hillary needs?

[0007]

148. I think this was a wet dream ploy anyway.

[BringBigDogBack]

149. I love it.

[BringBigDogBack]

151. I love it. I love it. I love it.

[ecstatic]

152. The silence is broken! I was wondering WTH the dems were thinking

about all this. I think Pelosi's response must pretty much reflect the pulse of the democratic congress right now. I'm guessing they are pretty much being muzzled right now and Pelosi slipped up when she commented on it. They are just as disgusted as the rest of us. Hopefully they'll stop the trainwreck soon. HRC did this to herself; many of us absolutely LOVED her and wanted her to be president.

[gulliver]

153. That's gotta be confusing to some Obama supporters.

Pelosi and the Dem Congress were back-stabbed by the Dem base far more viciously than anything Clinton has supposedly done to Obama. Pelosi didn't get us out of the war that Obama would have fought so valiantly against in the Senate had he only been there in 2003. Those are two dearly held gross misconceptions. The bad person in one of the misconceptions is endorsing the good person in the other.

On edit: Changed "Obama supporters" in the title to "some Obama supporters." I realize it is obviously possible to be for Obama without necessarily believing he would have voted against the IWR or that Pelosi "failed" to force us out of the war.

[jackson_dem]

154. Apparently Pelosi growing a spine is "off the table." She should officially endorse Obama already

[1776Forever]

156. Can you impeach a candidate out of a party???????

:sarcasm:

Just asking.

[hisownpetard]

159. So, basically, she's saying that a split ticket is off the table?

[happygoluckytoyou]

162. OKAY ---- I HAVE THE TICKET RIGHT HERE--->

President......OBAMA
Vice President......RICHARDSON
Attorney General....EDWARDS

In charge of the late night switchboard to the whitehouse....H CLINTON

[tripitaka]

164. not enough. DP's leaders need to speak out now

They need to shut down the smears and the ridiculous back and forths that are reducing both candidates to petulant little twits who need to be spanked. I wouldn't mind so much if they were raging hard on a matter of substance. But they're not. They're flicking boogers at each other and screaming I know you are but what am I.

Have you seen Obama's negatives yet? Charting steadily upwards, before a single Thug ad. That's just awesome.

[BearSquirrel2]

165. I take that as an endorsement ...

I take that as an endorsement from Nancy Pelosi. She's finally done something right.

Lets all just remember that she is about as "inside" as you can get right now and has some idea as to which way super-delegates are going to break. Lets hope other other party leaders will come out and help end this.

[annie1]

168. ouch.

[JVS]

170. DAMN STRAIGHT!

Alright Nancy!

[onehandle]

171. Sorry. DU hates Pelosi. And I Won't allow them to take it back.

The fools.

[New Dawn]

174. K&R

[girl_interrupted]

177. NY Repubs make Nancy look like the ass she is

They are after Spitzer's ass with impeachment and rightfully so. Yet Nancy Pelosi had even more reason to have gone after bush. And yet, she did nothing. I am so disappointed in her, I can't even stand to look or listen to her anymore. She's a fool. She couldn't even rally her own party that has a majority in the House to go after bush with impeachment. There might not be enough for votes in the Senate to remove, but certainly there is enough votes in the House to impeach, if Pelosi had made an effort. I can't think of anyone more deserving than bush, to have his record blemished by impeachment. I can't think of a damn thing Pelosi has achieved in her tenure. Good Lord, this party has gone to the dogs. The attacks on one another, the impotence of Pelosi and Reid, just unbelievable. Listen to Pelosi? What the hell for? It's a waste of time.

[girl_interrupted]

178. NY Repubs make Nancy look like the ass she is

They are after Spitzer's ass with impeachment and rightfully so. Yet Nancy Pelosi had even more reason to have gone after bush. And yet, she did nothing. I am so disappointed in her, I can't even stand to look or listen to her anymore. She's a fool. She couldn't even rally her own party that has a majority in the House to go after bush with impeachment. There might not be enough for votes in the Senate to remove, but certainly there is enough votes in the House to impeach, if Pelosi had made an effort. I can't think of anyone more deserving than bush, to have his record blemished by impeachment. I can't think of a damn thing Pelosi has achieved in her tenure. Good Lord, this party has gone to the dogs. The attacks on one another, the impotence of Pelosi and Reid, just unbelievable. Listen to Pelosi? What the hell for? It's a waste of time.

[NewHampster]

179. "The Clinton Administration" Freudian slip?

[Bucky]

181. What about Obama-Maddow?

I'd vote 'em.

[jgraz]

182. Pelosi has her "stopped clock" moment

Nice one, Nance. You still suck.

[dailykoff]

201. Seriously

for once

[Kablooie]

187. So might Hillary take McCain's VP spot?

[progressivista]

188. Nancy "25% approval" Pelosi

It's hard to get people's attention when your approval is lower than the president's.

[tishaLA]

193. so sad you got the TS.

it appears you would have contributed so much to our discussions here.

[Colobo]

195. VIVA PELOSI!!! GOBAMA!

[Lost-in-FL]

196. NO!!!

:wow: I'm speechless

[dailykoff]

200. WHOA NELLY

Pelosi is the last person I thought would ever admit that!

I M SHOCKED! :wow:

[Catherina]

202. Thank you Sister! Watch your back. Now you're "sexist" too. n/t

:woohoo:

[dailykoff]

203. I was just getting resigned to it too but that sounds like a big-ass NOE

dayum Nancy!!

[dailykoff]

204. Nothing personal but the fat lady has sung.

Hillary, you should have taken that bus ride I offered you last week. :shrug:

[ribrepin]

207. Pelosi tells an obvious truth

[GrandmaJones7]

209. Pelosi is wrong like she was about Murtha

Hillary is our leader and Barack would make a GREAT VP! The Superdelegates will rush in at the last minute out of loyalty to Bill and make sure Hillary gets the nod. Then Obama will complete the dream team. Its the team we need to beat McCaine!

[dailykoff]

211. I see you're ready for your close up.

Any minute now.

[closeupready]

210. Wow, she made that crystal clear. lol But good for her.

Because she's probably right.

[ekwhite]

212. Oh my god! Did Nancy actually show some backbone?

Good for her. Keep doing it, Nancy - you'll find it's catching.

[skyounkin]

216. WOW!!!

Is this growing respect for Pelosi in my gut?.....

Could be, could be.

To everyone saying Pelosi doesn't have the votes to bring impeachment- tough shit! You don't just fight the fights you can win, you fight the fights worth fighting for!!

Imeachment is worth fighting for because this *resident commited crimes in Americas name.

[Emit]

218. wow, she said that?

[tinrobot]

219. Obviously, she's a superdelegate.

I wonder who she's voting for...

[Zhade]

222. Nice. Now go fulfill your oath of office, Pelosi. People are still dying.

NT!

[GrandmaJones7]

254. And WHAT is UP with those Earmarks??

Nancy Nancy Nancy - WHY are you spending money we DON'T have and running our country further into debt by continueing the CORRUPT system of EARMARKS??!?!?

I thought WE were supposed to be better than that!

Shame on you Pelosi! Shame shame shame!!!!

[Why Syzygy]

231. She called it "The Clinton Administration" ...

I think she meant Hillary didn't belong on the ticket in any way!

The video is worth watching >

http://www.necn.com/category/32/4893

[ExPatLeftist]

235. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. n/t

[nealmhughes]

237. Louise Slaughter for Speaker of the House!

[1trackmindGOP]

240. I disagree with Pelosi

I think they can have a shared ticket, but Hillary will have to take the VP role since she is behind. I would love for them to come to an agreement on this ASAP before we give the Republicans to much ammunition. Clinton could bring most of her supporters and Obama could bring most of his...we will lose some votes due to one or the other on the ticket, but I think the amount would not be hugely significant. At this point with them running a close split, this solution would make the most sense going forward...Gov. Dean, time to get the back room conversations going before the party becomes any more polarized and hateful to each other.

[helderheid]

241. oh, SNAP!

[NorthCarolina]

246. For once I actually agree with Pelosi (nt)

[amborin]

251. anyone ever read Pelosi's history? of major gaffes, continually...

she's lucky she's lasted this long

her handlers have a tough job

[amborin]

252. anyone ever read Pelosi's history? of major gaffes, continually...

she's lucky she's lasted this long

her handlers have a tough job