BARACK OBAMA (D) - Expenditures Details: Contrib Refunds - Total 1,048 !

[Breeze54]

2007-2008 Cycle

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_detail.asp?id=N00009638&code=R90&cycle=2008&descrip=Contrib+Refunds

Total Records: 1048

Contrib Refunds - $797,978 :wow:

BARACK OBAMA (D) Expenditures Breakdown
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008



All the numbers on this page are for the 2008 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission
data released on Wednesday, February 27, 2008. Feel free to distribute or cite this material, but
please credit the Center for Responsive Politics.

1,048 REFUNDS? :wtf:

Why would there be so many refunds back to donor's from Obama's Campaign? :shrug:

[jakem]

1. is that a lot out of a million or so?

im no mathematician...

.1%

[TheDebbieDee]

10. That's a teeny bit more than 1/10th of 1%..........

or 1 in 1,000 donations. Trust me, I'm good with fractions.

Anyway, I don't think that's is very high.

ETA: Sorry, 1/10th of 1% is exactly what you said. I didn't see your decimal point.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

37. I've been waiting for someone good with fractions!

This one has been eating me alive!

1/4 * 249/14592 + 32/y
____________________________ = xy

57/58 - 87x2

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. I don't know.

Does it have anything to do with the credit card fraud from the Clinton campaign?

[Breeze54]

13. That sparked my interest... but they both seem to be returning donations. Clinton's Refunds here-->

HILLARY CLINTON (D) - Expenditures Breakdown

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

Contrib Refunds - $2,620,077 :wtf:

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HILLARY CLINTON (D) - Expenditures Details: Contrib Refunds

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_detail.asp?id=N00000019&code=R90&cycle=2008&descrip=Contrib+Refunds

2007-2008 Cycle - Total Records: 1621 :wow:

On Edit:

I added the emoticons to this post so that both camps don't feel targeted and
I could only fit one heading copied from the open secrets site in the OP title.

[LisaM]

3. Maybe people accidentally donated past their limit?

That would be my guess.

[rinsd]

5. That is probably the majority of the refunds.

[Breeze54]

16. That's what I was thinking. I think they have software that alerts when

someone donates over the allowed amount. :shrug:

[thevoiceofreason]

22. In past elections that was the reason for 90% of returns

[Kittycat]

32. Yes. Or if someone misallocates the donation to primary vs. GE funds.

After already maxing their primary donation - they can't automatically apply it, they have to refund it.

[yourguide]

4. Could be any number of things

They are not accepting lobbyist or PAC monies so any of those entities who may have donated to the campaign online could be getting a refund check.

There might also be contributions from those who have gone over the total cap.

[snooper2]

17. not "They are not accepting lobbyist or PAC monies"

Obama is not accepting lobbyist or PAC monies...

[yourguide]

30. ???? I dont understand your clarification.

Even though they are not accepting funds from those sources. Those sources, just like any source, can log on line and donate, it's up to the campaign to do the due diligence and weed out the funds from those sources they will not accept.

[snooper2]

34. Hillary is accepting money from lobbyists

and PAC as far as I know...

[yourguide]

39. the OP was talking about Obama I thought.

[WDIM]

6. Maybe its people who have over donated

and didn't realize that they did. Just a wild guess though.

Or maybe its Teenagers who didn't have the parents permission to use the credit card. I could see that happening.

I don't see any reason why refunds would be a bad thing.

[high density]

7. If he has 1,000,000 donors, that's a 0.1% refund rate

I'd imagine some people over-contribute accidentally.

[Thepricebreaker]

8. Its called a Chargeback. Considering how many donors.. thats nothing.

A customer calls the credit card company, says they didnt make that charge... They refund them.

[redqueen]

9. Just out of fairness... you ought to cite the same statistics from Hillary's campaign.

[Breeze54]

19. I already did...see post #13... It took me a minute to find it on that site.

Patience, grasshopper! :P

[redqueen]

21. heheh

:)

[OhioBlue]

11. Am I reading Hill's right

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expenditures.asp?cycle=2008

she refunded over $6 million?

[anigbrowl]

20. No, you're not. She refunded about $2.6m to about 1600 people.

You're looking at the total for all candidates. See my post below for Hillary's #s.

[OhioBlue]

23. thx. n/t

[ieoeja]

24. She has [i]only[/i] refunded 2.6 million.

That 6 million was for ALL candidates combined. Of course, that is still a bit more than Obama's $760,000 returned.

[Breeze54]

25. Correction: Contrib Refunds - $2,620,077

Contrib Refunds - $2,620,077

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

[EmilyAnne]

12. People who accidentally put an extra "0" or check off the wrong amount. Its happened to me with

ebay. But who knows. I assume lost of stuff like this happens with so many contributions happening online.

[LSK]

14. maybe because anyone can logon to his webpage and donate???

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/dt2std?source=mainnav


Any other idiotic topics you want to bring up?

Hows that Dubai cash working out for the Clintons?

[XemaSab]

15. Word

n/t

[Breeze54]

28. Why is asking a question idiotic? Seems both campaigns return donations.

It's public knowledge. I'm in the public so? I have a right
to look if I want to and I'm a member of DU and have a right
to post a question on DU.

Who died and made you Skinner's replacement?

[anigbrowl]

18. Why so many from Hillary's?

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_detail.asp?id=N00000019&code=R90&cycle=2008&descrip=Contrib+Refunds

Total Records: 1621
Total Amount: $2,620,077

If you thought campaign refunds were an important issue, you'd have posted the info for all candidates. But instead you just tried to whip up some paranoia about Obama...while hoping his opponent would get a pass.

there are lots of reasons why people get refunds - over-donation, insufficient paperwork, failure to pass a background check, underage etc.

[Breeze54]

33. No I wasn't trying to whip up anything... I posted both of their refunds...

See post # 13

Sorry if i was a little slow finding her info... it took me a minute

[Adelante]

26. Refunds are made for various reasons

Sometimes a husband and wife, as one example, will separately write checks including each other and result in passing the limit. Sometimes there is an ethical issue with a contributor and contributions are returned. Sometimes there's been a clerical error at a bank. And so on.

[Perky]

27. Could be registered lobbyists as well. Even if they are contributing as private citizens

Obama doe not want their money and certainly does not need it. I suspect that even if it is a joint account with a spouse, it probably kicks it out.

I am sure some slips through....and I am sure some Hilligans will be ready to pounce on it....but Obama does not want money from lobbyists.

[scheming daemons]

29. Over 1,000,000 donors.... and about 1,000 refunds.... that means that

0.1%.... or 1 PERSON OUT OF EVERY 1000.



Sorry.... non issue.

[ieoeja]

31. HILLARY CLINTON (D) - Expenditures Details: Contrib Refunds - Total 1,621 !

2007-2008 Cycle

http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend_detail.asp?id=N00000019&code=R90&cycle=2008&descrip=Contrib+Refunds

Total Records: 1621

Contrib Refunds - $2,620,077 :wow:

HILLARY CLINTON (D) Expenditures Breakdown
http://opensecrets.org/pres08/expend.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008



All the numbers on this page are for the 2008 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission
data released on Wednesday, February 27, 2008. Feel free to distribute or cite this material, but
please credit the Center for Responsive Politics.

1,621 REFUNDS? :wtf:

Why would there be so many refunds back to donor's from Hillary's Campaign?

[Breeze54]

35. Thanks for doing that!! LOL! I had already posted her info. on Post #13

:hi:

[elixir]

36. I'm wondering if this is the original filing or the amended filing? The original filing

lacked detail, breakout of numbers and supporting documentation. There is a small grace period in which to amend the filing. This was required a few weeks ago.

[Breeze54]

38. This is posted on both Clinton's and Obama's Expenditure pages at the bottom.

NOTE: All the numbers on this page are for the 2008 election cycle and based on
Federal Election Commission data released electronically on Wednesday, February 27, 2008.

Is that what you mean?

[Breeze54]

40. Personal Financial Disclosure for Hillary Clinton (D-NY) & Barack Obama (D-IIL)

Personal Financial Disclosure for Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

Images of reports covering 2006 and earlier are available here.

Visit our new Personal Finances Database. http://opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php

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Personal Financial Disclosure for Hillary Clinton (D-NY)

2006 (filed in 2007)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006/N00000019_2006.pdf

2006 Extension (filed in 2007)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006/N00000019_2006_Ext.pdf

2006 Presidential (filed in 2007)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006/N00000019_2006_Pres.pdf

2005 (filed in 2006)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2005/N00000019_2005.pdf

2005 Amendment (filed in 2006)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2005/N00000019_2005_A.pdf

2004 (filed in 2005)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2004/N00000019_2004.pdf

2003 (filed in 2004)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2003/N00000019_2003.pdf

2002 (filed in 2003)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2002/N00000019_2002.pdf

2001 (filed in 2002)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2001/N00000019_2001.pdf

2000 (filed in 2001)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2000/N00000019_00.pdf

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Personal Financial Disclosure for Barack Obama (D-Ill)

Images of reports covering 2006 and earlier are available here.

Visit our new Personal Finances Database. http://opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php

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Personal Financial Disclosure for Barack Obama (D-Ill)

2006 (filed in 2007)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006/N00009638_2006.pdf

2006 Presidential (filed in 2007)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2006/N00009638_2006_Pres.pdf

2005 (filed in 2006)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2005/N00009638_2005.pdf

2005 Amendment (filed in 2006)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2005/N00009638_2005_A.pdf

2004 (filed in 2005)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2004/N00009638_2004.pdf

2004 Amendment (filed in 2005)
http://opensecrets.org/pfds/pfd2004/N00009638_2004_A.pdf