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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 PM
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I find it amazing how rapidly myths form, especially the vaunted 20% Texas Gap.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM by Zynx
For example, there is a myth that Barack Obama was 20 points down two weeks prior to Texas: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/tx/texas_democratic_primary-312.html#polls

There was ONE poll that had Hillary up by 16. The rest were between 8 and even being down. The median poll lead seems to have been around 5 points. She won the primary, I'm not talking about delegate allocation because polls can't account for that so don't even start, by 3-4%. Hardly shocking.

Now, it is true that in Ohio the gap did narrow noticably from three weeks out: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/oh/ohio_democratic_primary-263.html#polls where Obama was behind twenty. However, he narrowed it to 6-8 points before it widened to an election loss of slightly over 10%. A decisive loss.
The trend was not his friend at the end.

Before spouting myths as fact, look into them slightly.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:21 PM
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1. As I recall, Barack was down 51-17 in Texas as of 12/1/07
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:22 PM
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2. That is irrelevant.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 02:22 PM by Zynx
The campaign hadn't begun at all at that point. Also, it wasn't at all what I was talking about in my OP was it?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:26 PM
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8. I agree with your 2 week theme
However, your metric is misleading as it implies that there has not been a surge in support for Obama. My post used a metric of the year 2008, which is a mere 10 weeks old.

And by the way, the campaign sure as hell had begun at that point. Hadn't Hillary already blown through about $50 million at that point?
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:27 PM
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9. That's "Hillary Math" for you
It's really not irrelevant at all. It's quite telling to me that Hillary's 34% lead from December of 07 was cut to 4% in three-ish months. When the campaigning started, that 34% lead evaporated in a month.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:23 PM
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3. In six weeks he closed a 27 point lead In Nevada.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:24 PM
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5. You know perfectly well that was not what I was referring to.
I am complaining about how people are making up history.
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:32 PM
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12. You're attempting to rewrite history. Obama was down big time, it wasn't until after ......
South Carolina that he began to surge.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:23 PM
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4. the myth that more Obama campaining moves voters to him is his excuse for
surveys showing he would do poorly in any given state.

Unfortunately - Ohio showed that more Obama means less votes for Obama.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:25 PM
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6. Agreed.
What other trends beside Ohio?

It's an anomaly.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:25 PM
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7. Yes, Texas was neck and neck for months. A tremendous comeback for Hil!
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:32 PM
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13. Well, when you put it like that......
;)
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:29 PM
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10. Six weeks from now, you'll claim that Hillary never had a 15-20 point lead in PA....
...when she gets a narrow win.


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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:31 PM
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11. Sorry that Obama's ability to erase big leads disappoints you so
:eyes:
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