Is Geraldine Ferraro representative of remaining Clinton supporters?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

They're not exactly falling over themselves to distance themselves from Ferraro.

Certainly not at the highest levels.

[pbca]

1. From what I can tell...

based on the reaction at all levels - I would say that silence = agreement.

On edit: Personally I think Ferrarro is completely and totally of base. I think if Obama was a white man this would all be over and he'd have the nomination - the comparisons to JFK would be flowing from every corner.

On edit again: On the other hand if Clinton was a man she wouldn't have made it to Super Tuesday.

[loveangelc]

2. maybe not all, but I think a big chunk of Hillarys support is coming from people afraid of

a black person being the president.

[MagsDem]

8. Half the dem voters in the primary are racist?

That's a very sexist comment to make against Hillary. Why are BO supporters such sexists?

[Quixote1818]

14. No, just have very little integrity or brains. nt

[MagsDem]

22. Because they support a woman?

Why are BO supporters so sexist?

[jmg257]

57. No, 'cause they support Hillary. Why are Hill supporters so ignorant?

[loveangelc]

23. I didn't even mention Hillary, genius.

surely you're not really this slow in real life?

I said SOME of her supporters are afraid of a black person being the president, and judging by the fact that ext polls showed that people concerned about race voted for Hillary, it would appear to be a fact.

And yes, I'm sexist because I acknowledge some of Hillary's supporters are afraid of a black person in office. OMG I'm a woman who hates women!!!!! I just hate myself.

[MagsDem]

36. But you support a sexist campaign, so you must be sexist

Right? I'm just using BO campaign logic. Shouldn't you denounce Obama since he and his surrogates have run such a sexist campaign? And you know, lots of women are sexist, just like lots of gay people are gay bigots. Ann Coulter and Larry Craig come to mind right off the bat.

[loveangelc]

43. Obama hasn't said anything sexist. Hillary's campaign has made veiled racist comments

since South Carolina's primary. The fact is that a lot of Hillary's supporters are racist. Not all, but some, and Obama has not run a sexist campaign, the fact that Obama is running against a woman does not make it a sexist campaign. Are you really this stupid?

[MagsDem]

47. Oh yes he fucking has....

"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out," Obama said.

He's run a totally sexist campaign with a huge assist from his surrogates and the media, and he hasn't asked anyone to stop. So stop bitching about Ferraro.

[loveangelc]

51. wow, youre really reaching here...

"the claws come out" could be used about anyone. that's something much different from "he's only successful because he's black." Do you realize that's exactly what conservatives use to fight against affirmative action? And you're totlly ok with that. the fact that you are tells me everything I need to know about you. Sad.

[MagsDem]

60. Okay, show me an example of a man being referred to as...

having claws in any quote regarding a politician. You will not find a single one, I am sure. It's ridiculous to pretend that's not a sexist comment.

[loveangelc]

74. Answer the question.

saying obama is only where he is, is ok with you? if this is about who has it worse, a white woman or african american man, women have had a hard time in history of course. but women were not lynched, dragged, beaten, limbs cut off, etc. maybe thats why racism is more sensitive of an issue. should it be? maybe, maybe not. in my view, of course both are wrong.

yes, sexism exists, but how can you say african americans have it easy in political life when obama is the only african american in the senate? and compare that to women in the senate. geraldine ferraro or whatever her name, is complete dumbass for those comments and i am not afraid to say this.

[DiggerDan]

54. Reaching there big time.

[MagsDem]

61. you must have missed the number of women it pissed off

[Greyskye]

69. stop "bitching"?

My, what a sexist remark.

[KAZ]

45. How in the fuck is that sexist? FN nut case.

[progdog]

46. Or it's "Older white angry women".

Ed Schultz said on Tucker just a while ago that he thinks older white women are just angry and think Obama is spoiling their dream. I'm 60 and white and female and that's not how I feel. Hillary is not my dream and not the person I want representing me as a female in any way. I see her as an enabler, manipulator, and deceitful. I do not see her as a pioneer or a true feminist. I want a female POTUS too, just not Hillary. So far her actions have exemplified a step backward for women. Just my opinion.

[VolcanoJen]

65. Right on, progdog

Cool screenname, too.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[progdog]

68. Thanks Volcano Jen

I just had to put it out there.
:hi:

[cbayer]

67. I think that is ludicrous

And would challenge you to back it up.

It really is an ugly thing to say.

[loveangelc]

89. exit polls of people who name race as an issue have gone with hillary.

[dusmcj]

83. a big chunk of her opposition is afraid of a woman president. nt

[MagsDem]

3. "remaining" = half the dem party voters

Why do you make such sexist comments?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Less than half.

And falling.

But you dodged the question, so I guess I have my answer.

[MagsDem]

13. I think it's sexist to marginalize her because she's a woman

And that is what you are doing when you claim that "remaining" = half the dem primary voters. It's a sexist comment. Why are BO supporters so sexist?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. Two things wrong with your post.

1. She's got less than half. That's why she's losing.

2. It ain't sexist.

Oh, and you're still dodging Ferarro.

[MagsDem]

28. You continue to make sexist comments

1) If you count actual voters, she is ahead in the popular vote by 20K votes.

2) Characterizing those supporters as if they were "remaining" instead of fully half those that have voted simply because they support a woman candidate is sexist.

Why are Obama supporters so sexist?

[Drachasor]

75. 1) That's basically a lie

1) You have to include Michigan to get her ahead by 20k. He wasn't on the ballot there, and in fair election, he could potentially win it.
You also have to include Florida, and there will be a much more narrow margin in Florida when it done over (because Obama does better when he can compete on the ground).

[Benhurst]

42. They both have less than half, that's why both are losing according to the agreed

rules for the primary. The winner will have to be dragged over the finish line by unelected super delegates, no matter who or she is.

[Greyskye]

76. you've told Obama supporters to "stop bitching"

Why is this sexist comment OK?

:shrug:

[ExtraGriz]

49. you have any date to back this up?

that her support is falling?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

56. here

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/01/superdelegate-list.html

Graph on the left

[panader0]

18. Try as I might, I can not see the "sexist" part of the OP

[MagsDem]

27. Pretending half the voters don't support Hillary is sexist

It's a blatant attempt to marginalize half of our base because they support a woman by characterizing them as "remaining" as if they were few in number. Why are BO supporters so sexist?

[Liquorice]

30. I agree. Hillary has millions of people supporting her campaign. nt

[Lucky 13]

85. Crazy. Kool-Aid Chuggin' Crazy.

[sniffa]

4. Based on the responses to my ignores

She's representative of the Hillbots.

[Liberal Veteran]

5. Let me sum it up for you in one word....

YES!

[Catherina]

6. From what I can tell, yes n/t

[TwilightGardener]

9. They're all going on ignore. They can't even admit this was wrong, and

instead are making counteraccusations of sexism--:wtf:

[OzarkDem]

10. Geraldine Ferraro has more brains and leadership ability in her little finger

than Obama can ever hope for in his lifetime.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. A simple "yes" would do, OD.

[MidwestTransplant]

25. Will you be voting for McCain this year?

[MagsDem]

29. Are we required to vote for the least qualified candidate....

... just because he has a D after his name?

[MidwestTransplant]

84. Depends on what you consider to be qualified and what your domestic

and foreign policy priorities are. Personally I would never be able to vote for McCain because he is very much like Bush on many many issues.

[geek tragedy]

34. Because she's white, you say that. n/t

[against all enemies]

37. you really do say stupid things.

[VolcanoJen]

50. Right. That's why she was put on the bottom of the Worst Democratic Ticket in History...

... and subsequently lost two US Senate primaries. She was a three-term Congresswoman who never again won a campaign. Voters certainly weren't able to see the "brains" and "leadership ability" that you're somehow annointing her with.

If she had an ounce of Obama's political talent and obvious ability to reach people, she wouldn't be playing the "white victim" card as a way of rationalizing her many, many losing attempts at elected office. She's nothing but a hater. A bitter, jealous hater.

Look, OD... Ferraro's no Hillary Clinton. Hillary would be wise to run far, far away.

[Umbram]

11. There are a bunch of H.C. supporters agreeing with and defending the comments.

One has even suggested everyone who rejects Ferraro's statements is sexist. Go figure.

[MagsDem]

20. Of course it's sexist

She was discussing sexism and the press. She's also discussing media hype of a completely unqualified candidate. Why do you think the media is hyping a guy for president that was a state senator 3 yrs ago?

"I think what America feels about a woman becoming president takes a very secondary place to Obama's campaign - to a kind of campaign that it would be hard for anyone to run against," she said. "For one thing, you have the press, which has been uniquely hard on her. It's been a very sexist media. Some just don't like her. The others have gotten caught up in the Obama campaign.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept." Ferraro does not buy the notion of Obama as the great reconciler."

[cbayer]

71. There is actually a very, very small number.

And I do not think they are representative of anything.

[goldcanyonaz]

12. Just like Louis Farrakhan is representive of the remaining Obama supporters.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. We reject and denounce Farrakhan.

Do you reject and denounce Ferarro?

[MagsDem]

33. Obama's pastor thinks Farrakhan is a great leader

And Obama thinks god has called him to be president. LOL!

[kwenu]

81. Obama's pastor isn't running for the presidency, Obama is. Hard concept for the desperate I know.

[TwilightGardener]

39. If you want to equate Geraldine with Farrakhan, be my guest.

[fujiyama]

53. LOL h/she put themselves in a bind there!

I haven't seen one person defending, supporting or endorsing Farakhann's views.

I see several of Clinton's supporters doing so with Ferraro. I have so far seen only one Clinton supporter condemning Ferraro's comments. But Ferraro's nastiness goes to show the underlying racial tensions in this party. I think she represents many of those with the "white man's burden" complex, except some white women seem to have bought into it too.

[TwilightGardener]

59. Another poster said it best--Ferraro is Hillary's white female suicide bomber.

[Johnny__Motown]

17. Another wedge attempt, and it is working .Women outraged that people denounce the first woman

on any ticket for the Executive Branch in our nation.



so... who is it that is dividing our party?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. First?

Not to old, are you?

[Spider Jerusalem]

35. Ferraro WAS the first on the ticket.

Shirley Chisholm didn't get the nomination, remember.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Ah, that's what he's getting at.

Yes, we were all piling on Geraldine Ferraro two days ago.

:rofl:

[grantcart]

21. alot of personal bitterness

The following are some of the excerpts of her conversation with her good friend John Gibson.


the "I am a lunatic about this stuff" comes at 3:20 and is an exact quote
Here she is saying that she "is a lunatic about this stuff" and implying tht Rep. John Lewis is a coward


In the interview she is calling out Rosa Delora and John Lewis and clearly implying in Lewis case that he did it for superficial political expediency, that there could be no other motive (Despite neadrathal Gibson questioning with incredulity there doing it because Obama is popular - "do you actually expect them just to hand it to Hillary/") for betraying their convinctions in supporting Obama. Re: John Lewis "Why in God's name did he change his support . . . I am so disappointed in him I could die".

She also states that Sen. Dodd is supporting Obama because it is the 'old boys club'- "the guys sticking together" is the exact quote.

"If Barack Obama were a white man would we be talking about this as a potential real problem for Hillary."

What is clear from her bitter rant is that she can't understand why the nomination has been taken away from Hillary. It is clear from her remarks that Obama is problem for Hillary and that the nomination belonged to her and is been stolen away.

That same bitterness is quite prevelant in GDP. The didn't earn it and now they resent the fact that somebody has actually gone to the trouble of being a better candidate.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc

[cali]

26. No

but some of the disgusting bigots posting here in her defense should be posting on Stormfront. They make me puke.

[napi21]

31. I didn't vote for Hillary, but I'm getting REALLY TIRED of always

having to be politically correct! She stated HER opinion. You don't have to agree, but for god sake, it wasn't anything to get all excited about either!

Would I have had the management jobs I had if I weren't a woman? I have no idea!

I wasn't thrilled when somebody said Hillary wouldn't be a candidate if she wasn't BC's wife, but nobody know and never will!

I can understand why everybody got upset when that idiot guy in the cowboy hat made that disparaging remark about the woman's basketball team because THAT was an obvious putdown to a group of young girls who were just trying their best to win a chanpionship game!

ALL the comments coming from BOTH campaigns were made NOT BY THE CANDIDATES but by some supporter. It's a hard fought political campaign folks! Why is everyone so damn sensitive?

[Upton]

32. Boomer age women seem to be mad at Obama

Ferraro is a good example. They want a woman president and they don't care how they get it. Obama had the gall to run against their queen, that apparently justifies bigotry.

[loveangelc]

38. it's sooooo true. my grandmother gets angry at the mention of obama.

[MagsDem]

44. More sexist remarks from BO supporters

You know woman are half the population, and we are a might sick of these kind of comments that marginalize women. We have a damn good reason to be pissed off, especially when the opposition is completely unqualified for the job.

What the media in this country is telling woman is that if they run for president they are going to be humiliated daily by a biased press that doesn't even give a shit if she is running against a joke of a candidate that was state senator up until 3 yrs ago.

[George_Bonanza]

48. State senator is still more of an office than First Lady

[Upton]

52. Racism anyone?

Obama has every bit as much right to run for president as HRC. Defend your candidate based on the issues and stop bringing up gender and justifying bigotry.

[Usrename]

66. Nepotism much?

Oh shit, another sexist comment! Sorry!

[Lucky 13]

88. Seriously folks, there's no rationalizing with them anymore.

It's like talking to children or the mentally ill. They're just in some stage of deep denial and are lashing out. I hope they will one day be cured of this miserable condition and return to us.

[geek tragedy]

40. On DU, yes.

Most of her supporters here are nasty racists.

[cbayer]

72. That is patently untrue.

There may be a few, but most? No way. Just a handful of very vocal posters.

[PurityOfEssence]

77. Ugly, ugly, ugly

For shame.

Her supporters are from all sorts of different subgroups and of many different mindsets, just as Obama's are.

This is VERY dangerous stuff, and it's simply unfounded.

[ProgressIn2008]

87. Most of Clinton's supporters on DU "are nasty racists"?

[apocalypsehow]

55. I don't think they're racist themselves, but they sure know how to subtly play to latent racism.

The HRC boosters here - many of them, anyway - are constantly posting images and commentary that, were a freeper doing it, would have them up in arms.

They exercise great care to be able to act "dumbstruck" that anyone would think posting the name "Hussein" over and over and over has any racial connotations, or that posting images of the hyenas from the Lion King and comparing them to Senator Obama and his supporters could somehow be construed to be racist imagery, or that talking about Jesse Jackson in 1984 in South Carolina - out of all the other Democratic candidates to have campaigned there in the last fourteen years - is not the same kind of base racial appeal that makes Richard Nixon smile in his grave at the way certain Democrats have adopted his "Southern strategy."

Then they act all wounded and outraged when called on such tactics - and accuse those who point out their scummy tactics of "playing the race card" and so on and so on. It really is quite telling about whose tactics they've been adopting, and implementing. No wonder so many of them are able to give us daily breathless updates on what Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have been talking about.

[IndianaGreen]

58. Yep!

And to think back at the excitement I felt when Mondale picked her as VP running mate. I voted for Mondale/Ferraro! The world has turned many times since then.

:-(

[annie1]

62. no. she's a tool and she can kiss my ass. although maybe i shouldn't speak...

that way about the mentally ill, b/c clearly she's lost her marbles.

[meow mix]

63. gnarley old battle-axes with a racist slant?

guess so

[JVS]

64. I hope not. I'd be ashamed to have so many people like that in the party.

[pdxmom]

70. If Clinton doesn't immediately remove Ferraro from any association with

her campaign, then as far as I'm concerned, despite anything she may say, she condones racism. Actions speak much louder than words.

And anyone who is supporting or trying to justify Ferraro's statements also condones racism.

It's pretty simple.

[BlueStater]

73. You guys have sunk to a new despicable low

So anyone who supports Hillary is a racist?

I don't even like Hillary and I'm still utterly disgusted by topics such as these. Why don't you all take a break from politics until you fucking grow up.

[Greyskye]

78. Ferrarro 1988: "If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5028671

This isn't the first time she's said stuff like this. :wow:

[dusmcj]

79. she represents me. nt

[ecstatic]

80. On DU, absolutely. They made it easier for me to make the switch

and never look back.

[dusmcj]

82. she represents me. nt

[progressivista]

86. Does not represent me

Or Hillary Clinton, who has already distanced herself from the remarks.