Look at the Vote Totals for Mississippi

[fascisthunter]

Obama: 75,169

Hillary: 61,099

that's ONLY 40% reporting!



Now look at the GOP:

McCain: 41,251

Huckabee: 6,505

Paul: 2,110

40% reporting!


WOW... well guess Mississippi won't be BLUE! Shame on me for not knowing much about Mississippi...

[NJSecularist]

1. No, it won't.

The Republican race is already decided.

MS will go red in November.

[Medusa]

2. But nothing would energize the GOp base

like another Clinton as a nominee.

[anamandujano]

7. A black candidate might, if everyone's as racist as you all suppose.

[Alexander]

12. Don't be silly. Not everyone is like Geraldine Ferraro.

[littlebit]

9. It don't matter who is running

MS will ALWAYS be a red state.

[Recursion]

39. It wasn't always

and it won't always be

[HughMoran]

3. Republicans have no motivation to get out and vote

That's all

[boston bean]

4. These are the types of post that really make me wonder how politically

minded some people are. If they possibly think MS can turn blue in November, they are living in a dream world.

[fascisthunter]

gee thanks

:eyes:

[skipos]

10. The fact that Clinton is getting any votes makes me wonder how politically

minded some people are. But yeah, MS will be the furtherest thing from blue in Nov. No state that Wallace won and no state that was controlled by the KKK will go blue anytime soon.

[UALRBSofL]

16. actually skipos is correct

When I had to go to Mississippi with my job the towns I had to go to were segregated. The small towns I had to go to a person said the blacks live on that side of the railroad tracks and the whites live on the other side of the tracks, meaning the whites live around the university and along the Mississippi River. I was just thinking, please lord, just let me get out of this town as soon as possible. And you know, they really don't take kindly to gay folks. :(

[Recursion]

40. When was MS controlled by the KKK?

The KKK's base was always farther north than MS

[Monty__]

48. Seen the movie Mississippi Burning?

If not, you should

[Recursion]

49. I grew up in Mississippi

And it sounds like I know a lot more than you do about the history of the Klan in the state and its relation to the larger issue of white racism.

[Monty__]

53. And I lived in Louisiana

and Northern Florida and have half of my family from rural South Carolina. On top of that I wrote my dissertation on aspects of the KKK, Southern State legislatures and other organizations attacking the NAACP, Liberals, Homosexuals and others during the 40's, 50's and 60's.

So based on that, I'd say I'm very qualified to label MS as being, at one point in time, run by the KKK.

[Recursion]

56. What time period do you claim the Klan "ran" Mississippi?

Were they first-, second-, or third-wave Klansmen (and if you subscribe to the "third wave" decentralized nomenclature, then I might concede your point provisionally, though I don't buy calling the larger white terrorist movement of the 1960's "the Klan", particularly because they for most part did not self-identify as such).

How much of Mississippi's white male population was ever a member? When was their high point? Which governors since Bilbo were implicated?

[snappyturtle]

54. One off the biggest conclaves was Indiana....as much as I hate

saying that.

[Recursion]

55. That's my point. The strongest base for the Klan was IN, OH, KY

Now, there were hooded white racists engaging in terrorism, which I think casually people will always call "the Klan", in the same sense that Sunni Arab terrorists all get called "Al Qaeda". But "The Klan" was a very very specific terrorist group that simply never took off in Mississippi and Alabama the way it did in the Appalachians and midwest.

[snappyturtle]

58. But don't be too harsh on people who don't know....educate them!

You have to understand, and I think I can say this correctly, that we northerns were taught that it was the south that was so-o bigoted...slaves, KKK and all. It's what we were lead (taught) to believe. I was a full blown adult before I knew about the KKK in Indiana. The KKK was a political tool there....& I can betcha that many Hoosiers today would deny the KKK history.

[merh]

57. Controlled by the KKK

got a link?

[KAZ]

21. Get lost asshole. What's your chant? No we can't...

[VotesForWomen]

61. yep; lots of kool-aide. nt

[LisaL]

5. An amazing display of logic.

[LisaL]

6. An amazing display of logic.

[Fresh_Start]

8. LOL

have you ever watched a primary before?

[fascisthunter]

11. yes I Have... but Honestly Don't Know Much about Mississippi

care to fill me in.... seems people are more apt in being snobs than helping me understand something they seem to know more about than I do.

[Fresh_Start]

24. Republicans control the board of elections

just in the last week, they purged voters from the election roles.
they are trying to disenfranchise even more voters by increasing the voting exclusions for criminal records which includes almost 100K black residents (who are not incarcerated)

[fascisthunter]

29. What a bunch of Brown Shirts

amazing... and they have the audacity to brag about bringing Democracy to the rest of the World.

[Fresh_Start]

34. democracy for the right kinds of people

not necessarily the poor, the minority, the female or the young.

But if you have resources to spare...they want to make you happy

[MediaBabe]

32. This may help you some

A lot of the people here are forgetting that the primaries are very different from the general election. Some states that are giving a victory thrill now are not going to vote Democrat in the General Election. The GE is winner take all for each state. Some states have a history of NEVER voting Democrat.

http://www.270towin.com/

This page shows the election results for each presidential election. If you take the time to explore you'll see what people mean when they say that winning the Democrat primary in a state does not mean that state will be won by Democrats in the General Election. No matter who is the nominee, Hillary or Obama.

[Fresh_Start]

35. the other thing to remember is that the GOP has selected their candidate

because McCain already has the votes for the nomination. Only Ron Paul is still running against him.

[Fresh_Start]

43. here's another site with a historic summary

http://www.270towin.com/states/Mississippi

[fascisthunter]

47. thanks...

I'll have to look at this tomorrow. My bed is beckoning me...

[roseBudd]

13. JOhn King just said the 2 strongest GOP areas of the state went for Hillary, more limbaugh

[Hippo_Tron]

14. Fascisthunter, you're missing a key point

And that is that the GOP contest has already been decided and so fewer people are going to vote in the GOP Primary.

[fascisthunter]

15. That's a Good Point

Can Republicans vote in the Mississippi Democratic primary as well?

[blonndee]

18. Yes, and it looks like they went about 3-1 for Hillary,

if the posts I've read here are correct.

[anigbrowl]

20. Yes, it's an open primary.

And that's the only reason that Clinton is even getting 40%, as far as I can see.

[fascisthunter]

22. Interesting

I'm not sure I like the fact that Republicans can vote in Democratic primaries... in fact, I don't like it at all.

[anigbrowl]

26. I'm not really losing sleep over it

I basically think open primaries are a good thing, even if that allows the results to be gamed a little at the margins. I don't think over the long run of the campaign it will make any significant difference.

[DS1]

17. and there's no way she'll carry North Carolina

no
way

[fascisthunter]

19. Well... with 61% Reporting Obama is ahead 57% to 41%

[anigbrowl]

23. Yep...looks like 8-10 delegates more for Obama

She's doing pretty badly, even given the Demographic split and the free GOP boost.

[Emit]

25. I just heard on a video clip at MSNBC.com

Obama will likely net 7 delegates from this win. If Obama gets 63% or more in this win, he could get 9 delegates. A net of 7 eliminates every delegate that Clinton gained from March 4th.

In CA, late votes have netted Obama 4 additional delegates, and provisional ballots are still being counted in Ohio, which could net Obama a couple more delegates.

To be able to catch up with Obama in the pledged delegate count, she would have to win 64% of all remaining delegates -- that means winning in every remaining state. If she loses in any, that threshold goes up, likely into the 70% area.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23582550#23582550

[fascisthunter]

28. I'm Confused... help me with this

on CNN's web site, Obama is saying 16 delegates?

check it out: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MS

[Emit]

37. I'm not sure either, but if you watch the clip with Chuck Todd, he was discussing

how the second congressional district is where the most delegates are to be gotten -- he referred to them as magic numbers. In particular the 2nd congressional district -- if he won 75% in that district will get more delegates. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23582550#23582550

Still, 16 seems really high. Maybe that includes some Super Delegates from the state?

[fascisthunter]

46. I Have no Idea.... We'll See After the Dust Settles

I have to get to bed.... my sinus infection has busted me up real good today. Need rest...

[skipos]

27. If you are interested

I have a lot of data on the presidential voting trends of all the states. It gives you an idea of what is in play and what probably isn't. I could post it here if you want.

[fascisthunter]

30. I'm interested

please do post. It'll be informative for me and others who are lurking.

[skipos]

59. Partisan voting indexes

These are rounded partisan voting indexes for the last 5 presidential elections. For example, in 1988 DC voted 77% more for the Dem candidate than the rest of the country. In 1992, they voted 70% more for the Dem candidate and so on.

STRONG DEM (183 electoral votes)
District of Columbia: 77d, 70d, 67d, 76d, 82d
Massachusetts: 16d (Dukakis P), 13d, 25d, 27d, 28d (Kerry P)
Rhode Island: 19d, 12d, 24d, 29d, 23d
Vermont: 4d, 10d, 14d, 9d, 23d
New York: 12d, 10d, 20d (Kemp VP) 24d, 21d
Maryland: 5d, 9d, 7d, 16d, 15d
Connecticut: 3d, 1d, 10d, 17d (Lieberman VP) 13d
Illinois: 6d, 9d, 9d, 12d, 13d
California: 4d, 8d, 4d, 11d, 12d
Maine: 4d, 3d, 12d, 5d, 11d
Hawaii: 17d, 6d, 17d, 18d, 11d
Delaware: 5r, 3d, 7d, 13d, 10d
Washington: 9d, 6d, 4d, 5d, 10d
New Jersey: 6r, 3r, 9d, 15d, 10d

LIKELY DEM (49 electoral votes)
Michigan: 1r, 2d, 5d, 5d, 6d
Pennsylvania: 5d, 4d, 1d, 4d, 5d
Oregon: 12d, 4d, 1r, 1r, 7d
Minnesota: 15d, 6d, 8d, 2d, 6d

WEAK DEM (14 electoral votes)
New Hampshire: 19r, 4r, 1r, 2r, 4d
Wisconsin: 11d, 1r, 2d, 1r, 3d

WEAK REP (12 electoral votes)
Iowa: 18d, 1d, 2d, 1r, 2d!
New Mexico: 3d, 3d, 1r, 1r, 2d

WEAK REP, TRENDING DEM (14 electoral votes)
Nevada: 13r, 3r, 8r, 4r, 1r
Colorado: 1r, 1r, 10r, 9r, 3r

LIKELY REP, TRENDING DEM (13 electoral votes)
Virginia: 13r, 10r, 10r, 9r, 6r

LIKELY REP( 74 electoral votes)
Florida: 15r, 8r, 3r, 1r, 3r
Ohio: 3r, 4r, 2r, 4r, 1d
Missouri: 4d, 5d, 2r, 4r, 5r
Arkansas: 6r, 12d(Clinton P), 8d (Clinton P), 6r, 7r
Arizona: 13r, 8r, 6r, 7r, 8r

STRONG REP (167 electoral votes)
North Carolina: 9r, 6r, 13r, 13r, 10r (Edwards VP)
West Virginia: 12d, 7d, 6d, 7r, 10r
Tennessee: 9r, 1r (Gore VP) 6r (Gore VP) 4r (Gore P) 12r
Louisiana: 2r, 1r, 4d, 8r, 12r
Georgia: 13r, 5r, 10r, 12r, 14r
South Carolina: 16r, 14r, 14r, 16r, 15r
Mississippi: 13r, 14r, 14r, 17r, 17r
Kentucky: 4r, 2r, 8r, 16r, 17r
Montana: 2d, 3r, 11r, 26r, 18r
Indiana: 12r (Quayle VP), 12r (Quayle VP), 14r, 16r, 18r
South Dakota: 1d,9r, 12r, 23r, 19r
Texas: 5r (HW Bush P vs. Bentsen VP) 10r (HW Bush P) 13r, 22r (Bush P), 20r (Bush P)
Kansas: 6r, 11r, 27r (Dole P) 21r 23r
Alaska: 16r, 15r, 26r, 31r, 23r
Alabama: 12r, 12r, 15r, 15r, 23r
North Dakota: 5r, 18r, 15r, 28r, 25r
Oklahoma: 9r, 14r, 16r, 22r, 29r
Nebraska: 13r, 23r, 27r, 30r, 30r
Idaho: 18r, 19r, 27r, 40r, 36r
Wyoming: 15r, 11r, 22r, 41r (Cheney VP), 37r (Cheney VP)
Utah: 26r, 24r, 30r, 41r, 43r

[Arkansas Granny]

31. I don't expect Mississippi to go blue any time soon. The Republicans

had no reason to turn out in large numbers for the primary. They already have their nominee. You'll see higher numbers for them in the GE for sure. I don't expect a Democratic victory in that state.

[fascisthunter]

33. Well...so much for my ignorance

I now know... :hide:

[Recursion]

44. MS had a Dem governor until 1992, and 3 out of 5 Reps are blue

Yes, Mississippi is responsible for Trent Lott, but they also supplied Thad Cochran who is one of the best (relatively) senators from the other side (he started out as a Democrat; hell, maybe we can woo him back).

[elixir]

36. the gop vote is a non issue in MS beacuse Mccain locked it up.

[OzarkDem]

38. Clinton did very well

it certainly doesn't look like a landslide for Obama.

[Renew Deal]

42. She's losing by 20

That's a landslide. Hillary keeps taking 20 point beatings.

[joshcryer]

50. As many Obama supporters here have noted time and time again, 40% threashold = half delegates.

[annie1]

52. i'm fine with how she did too. i was thinking he would get more than 20 delegates...

i was gonna be happy with anything under 20 dels for him and more than 12 for her, so i'm good.

[Monty__]

41. Mississippi won't be blue

trust me. Obama can flip some other Southern states not MS. Those totals are so high (difference b/w Dems and Rep) because their primary is over.

[Recursion]

45. MS had 3 out of 5 Reps from our party until 2002

Once they lost a district, it's now 2 out of 4. This is not the delegation of an eternally red state

[depakid]

51. Gee, ever consider that the Republican nomination is already sewn up

and so Republicans aren't bothering to go to the polls? :think:

[Recursion]

60. Since reconstruction, only for 2 years has MS had more GOP reps than Dems

People seem to forget this.

The Civil Rights Act, despite popular mythology, did not send Mississippi to the Republican party.

The Angry White Man mess of 1994 changed the MS house delegation from being 100% Democratic to being only 60% Democratic.

The only time since 1873 that more Republicans from Misssissippi have been in the House than Democrats was 1997-1999. When MS lost its 5th seat in 2003, it went to 2 Democrats to 2 Republicans.

Mississippi has had precisely two Republican governors since 1874.

There is literally no reason we cannot see 3 of these seats in our hands. There is no reason we cannot see the Presidential vote follow the House representation, either.

[fascisthunter]

62. Thank You for This Information

I was getting a bleak picture of Mississippi by reading some of the comments here. Maybe someday it will turn blue again? I hope so....