The Difference Between Clinton Repubs and Obama Repubs.

[Blue State Bandit]

Republicans who vote for Obama, will vote for him in the General Election. They do so for righteous reasons. They do so because they believe Obama is the best candidate.

Republicans who vote for Clinton, have no intention of voting Democrat in the General Election. They do so because Rush Limbaugh told them it was a good idea. They do so because they believe that Clinton will be easier to defeat in November. They do so because Bill Clinton went on http://images.radcity.net/5155/2461772.mp3">The Rush Limbaugh Show(mp3 link) on March 4th to justify those votes. And those who did vote for Clinton in Ohio, may be charged with a 5th degree felony for breaking Ohio election laws.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/content/oh/story/news/local/2008/03/08/ddn030908crossoverinside.html">Ohio's voter-crossover laws unevenly enforced

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/08/measuring-the-limbaugh-effect/">Measuring the ‘Limbaugh Effect’

http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/03/crossover_voting_was_heavy_and.html">Crossover voting was heavy -- and maybe illegal

It has been a common quote around DU that Republicans who are voting for Obama are just scared of Hillary. I think it's time we put that untruth to bed.

And as for Bill Clinton, and anyone else who wants to try and understand why so many news organizations are hard on Hillary, this is a good starting point.

[HughMoran]

1. I knew that inside the post I would find "Obama Republicans are better than Hillary Republicans"

This is like a 2nd grade class in here - I didn't even know you were an Obama supporter, but I nailed your thread before I even clicked on it. DU is so pathetic lately.

[Blue State Bandit]

3. You justify your ignorance as you see fit.

I'll just state the facts as I find them.

There are no "Hillary Republicans" in the sense that you portray this, because they won't vote for her in the GE.

This is the point, and it is being proven. Why don't you go find out why Bill went on Limbaugh's show?

[HughMoran]

7. Your point is that you are a partisan hack that will say anything to prop up your candidate

You have no personality when you post mindless BS like this. The "Limbaugh factor" was not even an issue before Texas so you're just making it up as the wind blows.

[Blue State Bandit]

Then why did Bill go on Limbaugh that day?

To call him a racist?

You do have one thing right, it wasn't a problem before Texas and Ohio.

[Metric System]

2. All you offer is speculation, but no proof. You HOPE all the Rethugs voting for Obama are doing so

because they plan on voting for him in November, but hope is all you got so you've hardly proven your point.

[Blue State Bandit]

5. I have yet to see one Republican switch and work for Clintons campaign.

And the Clinton/Republican cross-over vote was barely neligable till after Bill Clinton's apperence on Rush Limbaugh.

I have more than hope. I have proof.

[Metric System]

8. "I have yet to see one Republican switch and work for Clintons campaign." That's nothing but

anecdotal evidence.

[Blue State Bandit]

11. The only Repubs I see backing Clinton...

are the rabbid wackos like Limbaugh, and Coulter.

Anecdotal?

[Metric System]

12. They're not backing her, they're just having "fun." And for that matter, I could name just as many

Rethug whackos who've expressed support for Obama.

[Blue State Bandit]

13. Like Chuck Hagel, Dick Lugar, Sully, Colin Powell?

[dflprincess]

4. Telling me that Republicans find Obama the best candidate

does not make this liberal any happier about probably having to vote for him in November (I would be just as unhappy voting for Clinton). For 4 years I've been living for this election and it wasn't because I was anxious to vote for a Republican-lite candidate.

[Blue State Bandit]

9. I speak of Mod Reps who feel betrayed Bush and Co.

The Mods that believe in global warming, that believe that Iraq was a bad move, that believe in fiscal responsability, that believe that Bush and co. are not their brand of Republicans.

They look at who their party has to offer, and choose unity over idology. They will grind their teeth, but they will vote Obama over Clinton, or McCain.

I say welcome aboard.

[mojowork_n]

17. Betrayal *is* the operative word. With this group, it works both ways.

Good post -- and way to hang in there, with some of the replies you got.

There was a great post about "Obama Republicans" a little while ago:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4678838

...The Republican Party has spent the past thirty years pretending to represent the interests of average Americans, while simultaneously on the payroll of corporate interests.

A truck driver in Storm Lake, Iowa votes Republican because the Republicans are the party of “family values,” but his wife ends up waitressing part-time because his salary can no longer pay the bills. And so their kids are left home alone after school three days a week. An factory worker in Lima, Ohio votes Republican because the Republicans are strong on defense, but he was laid off from his job at the Lima Tank Plant three years ago, and there aren’t any other factory jobs available.

Meanwhile the Republican Party, while feigning outrage over “government regulation and high taxes,” quietly slashes taxes for CEO’s and provides tax breaks to corporations that ship manufacturing jobs overseas. With the “culture wars” serving as a convenient diversion, working-class Americans have hardly noticed that their standard of living has declined from the moment that conservative policies..."

The media's going to be trying to spin the General Election in ways they did today's primary ("white male southern voters in Mississippi REJECT Obama... it hasn't been this bad for a democrat in Mississippi since the 60's"), but whoever wins the democratic nomination will have to be running as hard as they can against the Disaster of the Bush Administration...

...There was also a great thread a few days ago, on "Clinton's Religion & Politics", an article from Mother Jones that drew some interesting replies in the discussion.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4986046

When Clinton first came to Washington in 1993, one of her first steps was to join a Bible study group. For the next eight years, she regularly met with a Christian "cell" whose members included Susan Baker, wife of Bush consigliere James Baker; Joanne Kemp, wife of conservative icon Jack Kemp; Eileen Bakke, wife of Dennis Bakke, a leader in the anti-union Christian management movement; and Grace Nelson, the wife of Senator Bill Nelson, a conservative Florida Democrat.

Clinton's prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or "the Family"), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to "spiritual war" on behalf of Christ, many of them recruited at the Fellowship's only public event, the annual National Prayer Breakfast. (Aside from the breakfast, the group has "made a fetish of being invisible," former Republican Senator William Armstrong has said.) The Fellowship believes that the elite win power by the will of God, who uses them for his purposes.

Follow the links supplied in the article (and in the replies) for much, much more than you thought was there, whenever you've heard the words, "National Prayer Breakfast."

[Blue State Bandit]

18. Great points.

It does seem to be a two way street.

The DLC is to Democrats, as the Neo-Cons are to Republicans.

[mojowork_n]

20. Bingo.

Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Jeb-Chelsea... By which time this country will have been parceled out between Canada and the Central Latin American Confederation.

[Mimosa]

19. WooooHoooooo

"Why don't you go find out why Bill went on Limbaugh's show?"

When did this happen? After all the serious bashing Limbaugh has done re: Billary for Bill to go on that program would be absolutely desperate and embarrassing.


When I first heard of Limbaugh recommending for people to vote for Hillary to screw up the Democratic primaries I thought it the most cynical dishonest thing I'd heard in a while. Anybody who'd do something like Limbaugh advised must be a robot with no self-respect.

Ingin, you're very sharp about how people think. ~smile~ (Thanks for the welcome, although I have identified as an Independent.) There are plenty of moderate Republicans who are sick of the Bush administration and mistrustful of McCain who would continue similar policies.

[New Dawn]

6. K&R! n/t

[backscatter712]

10. My county Democratic Party chair...

forwarded hundreds of obviously fraudulent party registrations to the DA - it is a felony to fraudulently register as a Democrat to game the system when you do not actually support the Democratic Party.

Some of them are reading this post.

You like prison? Keep it up. Don't think we won't play hardball with you.

[Blue State Bandit]

14. Go get'm

[Laelth]

15. k&r for the truth. n/t

:dem:

-Laelth

[FrenchieCat]

16. Yep...happened again today in MS!

And CNN is acting totally mistified about this development.....and ain't calling it what it is.

[Mimosa]

21. Yep...happened again today in MS!

How does anybody know that registered Republicans are voting in Democratic primaries? Do they have freedom to crossover in Mississippi? I can't help but doubt all that many people would obediently do as some radio personality tells them to do in a matter as serious as their vote. I've never thought voting was something a person would 'play with.' I could be wrong, but as I said before, a person would have to have no self-respect to do whatever Rush Limbaugh tells him to do.

I guess I'll have to google Rush Limbaugh's website to find what Bill Clinton said on RL's program. I still can't believe he went on it.

[K Gardner]

22. K&R