PA is not a "must win" for Obama

[Joe the Revelator]

Everybody should remember that. PA is nowhere near as important as Hillary and the media want it to be.

[OzarkDem]

1. But its a must win for Dems in the GE

[tekisui]

6. And that win is not dependent on Hillary.

[OzarkDem]

15. So Obama can lose PA in the primary

but win it in the GE?

[tekisui]

23. Yes.

Just as he can lose CA in the Primary and win it in the GE. And NY, and NJ.

And just as Hillary could win Texas in the Primary and no Dem will carry it in the GE.

The Primary and the General have a completely different calculus behind them. Don't let Hillary fool you on that one.

[BzaDem]

27. Then why do Obama supporters keep saying he can win red states (that in reality we can't win)?

[tekisui]

29. He can't win "red" states.

But, he can in fact turn many states blue. Ones that HIllary has no chance in hell of turning. CO, MO, VA, NV, GA, ID.

[BzaDem]

32. We lost GA by 17 points and ID by 38 points in 2004.

And you are saying Obama can win these?

I agree that primaries and caucuses most of the time give little insight into GE performance. I certainly apply this to states we lost by 17-38 points in 2004.

[tekisui]

33. Yes, ID and GA would be in play with an Obama Nominee.

They will be close, and could very well swing.

[goclark]

38. John King said on CNN that with MI and FL and Ohio

Hillary will be in good shape ~ they are spinning like wild fire now.

Meanwhile the DNC sits back and says nothing.

Now they are saying that their CNN poll says that Obama people would not have a problem having Clinton as the VP on his ticket but Clinton's voters don't want Obama on her ticket etc. etc. etc.

[tekisui]

39. Let 'em spin till they're dizzy.

I'm not worried about a re-vote in MI &FL at this point.

[Spider Jerusalem]

17. And it hasn't gone for a Republican since 1988.

you're a moron if you think that blue states are going to flip in the general election if Hillary isn't the nominee. There is no actual LOGIC to support that idea.

Thought experiment: New York is a safe Democratic state in Presidential elections. Candidate X is a Democrat. Candidate Y is a Democrat. Candidate X wins New York in the primary. Candidate Y wins the nomination. Who wins New York in November?


Logic is not hard, if you stop to think for a moment.

[walldude]

20. And? Are you saying that you won't vote for Obama if he wins?

I know I'll be voting for whatever dem is on the ticket. Too bad there are so many who are so wrapped up in their candidate that they lose site of what this is all about.

Oh and don't bother with the "Obama can't win the GE" bullshit, you don't know that, the media doesn't know that, the bullshit pollsters don't know it, Hillary doesn't know it, McCain doesn't know it, it's all crystal ball bullshit.

[tabatha]

2. But he should try and win, so that any further arguments will be futile.

[quantass]

4. Agreed, but very least he ideally should keep it close!

[dana_b]

9. of course- and I'm sure he will- he is. he's a fighter too. n/t

[quantass]

3. For Hillary it's a desperate win! (Edited Title)

[Joe the Revelator]

8. Mathmatically, she's finished with or without it

nt

[quantass]

16. My mistake -- you are ABSOLUTELY correct -- She's already Finished!

[Johnny__Motown]

10. Again.. first NH, then TX & OH now PA.. sooner or later she will lose a must win

Besides, she can't catch up in pledged delegates anyways. This race is all but over.

[donheld]

5. Everybody does remember that except

for the few who won't accept truth.

[quantass]

7. Reading Report about PA being openly Racist -- but Obama has 6-weeks to open their minds

virtually always breaks Clintons lead when he starts campaigning in the state and so i hope this state's racial beliefs will lower enough. THank goodness for open minded young voters living there at least.

[OzarkDem]

19. PA voters will focus on the economy and jobs

and those issues are not Obama's strength. His globalist past won't sell well in PA.

[tekisui]

11. As Carville said tonight, "No political gain from winning an expected state"

If she wins in PA, no biggie.

It will just be more money spent on a losing campaign.

[usregimechange]

12. Your right, she needs about 4 PAs

[stop the bleeding]

13. It is a must win for HRC period. Obama just has to keep it close, an

upset would be awesome but VERY unlikely.

[DJ13]

14. The MSM wants a race no matter if its Secratariat vs. a glue factory candidate

Its the race thats everything to them to sell ad time.

[Teaser]

18. O won't win PA

Wish he would, but the Pennsyltucky portion of my state won't let it happen.

[quantass]

21. ..and Thank goodness it won't matter.

[goldcanyonaz]

24. Right, anyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist.

[Teaser]

28. Learn to read, clown.

I didn't say that. I said that there are enough racists in the center of my state that it can't happen.

You from PA? If not, then shut your hole. I know this state tight.

If you are, then you know it too. But that is beside the point. You will either address the points that I actually make
or keep quiet. You will not put words I didn't say in my mouth.

[dchill]

22. I agree with the logic of all the posts in this thread...

so far. But the Clintons are NOT using anything like logic - or fair play - in these primaries. I hope he can out-do her somehow in the next few days, and end this morbid charade.

[jgraz]

25. Jesus, PA isn't even a "must show up" for Obama.

This nomination fight is OVER. Hillary's just too stupid to realize it.

[quantass]

42. LOL! Well said..

[rocktivity]

26. She won't win if she doesn't get at least 62% of the vote--not only in PA

but in EVERY SINGLE ONE of the remaining contests. That's why she's channeling Orwell to manufacture viability ("My defeats are victories! My losing gives me momentum!"), and a corporate media that wants to cash in on keeping the story going are only too happy to aid and abet her.

:headbang:
rocknation

[DesertFlower]

30. once the people get to meet him

and hear him speak, i think he's got a good chance.

[Cha]

31. Isn't there a part of Pennsylvania

that is Heinz Territory..as in Teresa Heinz Kerry?

[peace13]

34. Maybe not but Dems here can help him win!!

If you live near PA contact the campaign and find out where you can fit in. If you are too far away to travel use the internet call system to call for Obama in the great state of PA. I live in Ohio and we had an Obama staff member stay with us for the primary week. It was very nice. We all worked together but the young Obama staff really puts in the hours. Get involved and make it happen. Peace, Kim

[Shine]

35. Some guy from Obama's camp even said they don't expect to win it.

they'd LIKE to, of course, but they've pretty much been able to successfully call all the states ahead of time that they've won and lost.

From what I understand, Obama can lose PA and STILL be ahead of Clinton with delegates.

[Joe the Revelator]

36. He can lose the rest of the states coming up and still be ahead of Clinton

She has to beat him by 60% in all remaining races. She probably won't pull those kind of numbers anywhere.

[Shine]

40. So it's all gonna come down to those pesky super delegates, huh?

it seems fairly evident she's planning to take it all the way to the convention, "party unity" be damned!

[LulaMay]

37. Yes, it is. Even Dem leadership knows that it is not good if he can't win PA, OH or FL, & she can.

[quantass]

43. He won TX, and do over for MI tend to favor Obama.

..and who's to say Florida wouldn't be close too (if not a possible iwn for Obama too)

[Skip Intro]

41. No, it's not a must win, it's a can't win.

[quantass]

45. For Hillary that is true -- She can't win delegate total -- It's already over.

[cooolandrew]

44. Yes, it is HRC peception spin if she win s epxect her to milk it into creamcheese.