Thank God Geraldline Ferraro put her thoughts out there for everyone

[CreekDog]

Because for those who were shy about sharing their own thoughts that Obama got where he is by being black, they can now feel validated now that those statements are reverberated throughout the media. In fact, they've been validated so much, that people feel free on DU to express that Obama is where he is because he is black.

:sarcasm:

And now that the cat is out of the bag, I can remind people of some quotes:

4/15/1988: "if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

last week: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color), he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

today: "Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up," Ferraro said. "Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that?"

(I guess she is a victim of racism because she is white while he is a beneficiary of racism because he is black).

===============

Anyway, electorally, this was extremely smart (if one is cynical) because let's face it there are more women than there are black people. If they can just get women to vote for Hillary, that outnumbers the black folks that vote for Obama and if you suggest to white people that they are being too easy on Obama out of white guilt, then some of them might vote along with the women.

I mean, if it's all about getting people to take sides and having more people on your side than your opponent, then pitting whites against blacks is a winner everytime.

I'm not saying that's what HRC's campaign is doing, but damned if it doesn't help her a hell of a lot more than it helps them --that is if one believes that white people and black people prefer to vote their own race.

I'm mad as hell.

[grantcart]

1. If people haven't seen it this appearence with Gibson is very appalling

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqL_sm0J8jc

[CreekDog]

11. Jeez, what the hell?

saying Rosa DeLauro and John Lewis supported Obama because of black voters in their districts.

[grantcart]

21. well she does say that she is a lunatic

then she goes on to basically call Lewis a coward.

But her tone is that the nomination was supposed to be Hillary's and that everyone including Sen Dodd of the 'old boys club' are

taking it away from her.

Of course the irony in her statement is that the only reason that Hillary is in contention is that she is a woman.

[Voice for Peace]

40. She implies that a real "leader" shouldn't give much weight to the will of the people.nt

[MercutioATC]

2. Call me naive, but I don't believe it was that planned.

I just think Ferraro is a senile old broad.

...and the media only listens to her because she's old and female...



:P

[CreekDog]

3. why do these Clinton supporters always seem to remind people that Obama is black?

if that happened once this campaign, I would write it off, but it's not.

[grantcart]

22. she made multiple media stops saying basically the same thing

looks like she camped out at Fox all day long

[lvx35]

4. I think we should just stamp this whole thing "retarded" and let it die.

Because it is. Obama is where he is (winning) because he's black? Well why haven't previous attempts by black candidates succeeded to such a degree? Simple logic guides us to the truth that its Obama, not his blackness. So her comments are dumb. I think by playing it up we do too much a service to them, and keep the race vs gender BS going strong.

[tabatha]

5. Hillary has employed a number of tactics when she was losing.

... the new Hampshire welling up
... rezko smear
... stop with the speeches and large crowds
... shame on you
... kitchen sink
... naftagate
... Ferraro is the latest - using a surrogate, because I think she has tried just about everything she can think of

However, up until Ferraro, her tactics were turning a lot of people off. Possibly, it was thought that using Ferraro would be better. But, unfortunately, it has put more people off.

[Cant trust em]

10. Surrogates are the second mouth of the candidate

unless the candidate comes out and specifically denounces what the surrogate said (a la Obama/S. Power) then it might as well have been said by the candidate themselves.

The whole "oh, the surrogate said it. It doesn't count" argument is really dumb. Who actually believes that, really.

[Cant trust em]

6. The "attacking me because I'm white" comment is the worst, IMO

Obama being where he is because he's black is actually something that we could discuss rationally. It's an awkward subject to broach, but I think that it could be argued in an academic way.

But her reverse racism comments just seem goofy and misplaced. She's trying to expose some kind of double standard that doesn't actually exist in this case. The "How's that" part at the end is what pushes me over the line because it seems like she's saying to specifically spur on some kind of Limbaughian debate. If she were a talk radio host or a Professor or media and culture this whole thing would have come across a lot better. But she's a surrogate for a political campaign, so it's totally unacceptable.

[Mooney]

14. When she said "How's that?" I laughed out loud.

It's rare that you get the honor of hearing someone go insane at the exact moment that it happens.

I only wish she had said "Did I stutter?"

[Cant trust em]

27. Please lord, send me a link on this.

I almost imagine her bobbing and weaving, tossing out nutjobisms. "Let me tell you another thing. Pickles are actually made from carrots. Yeah, that's right. I said it."

Like if you've ever seen Dave Chappelle do stand up and he kind of circles around the stage tossing out jokes.

[Mooney]

28. Here's an artist's rendering:

[Cant trust em]

29. and some people say GD:P isn't fun, nt

[Mooney]

30. The more enraged people are

the more we must rely on cartoons to provide balance.

[CreekDog]

35. I resent that cartoon

Crazy cat lady will not be shamed by such an association. :spank:

[better tomorrow]

7. My first impression was....

that she was a Hillary supporter and just got caught up in the fray....

But, when they asked her to stop and she repeated it, I think that she is just "jealous" because she wasn't the first woman president and may in some strange way be trying to make sure that Hillary isn't the first, either......

Someone said she has cancer anyway and is on meds or something. If so, that explains her irrationality.....

But, what is good for the goose has to be good for the gander. So, thank you, Hillary, for rejecting and renouncing her remarks....

[CreekDog]

12. Meds don't make you freakin' racist

and she said the same thing in three different interviews, not backtracking a bit.

TALKING POINT! :grr:

[better tomorrow]

15. you got me on that one....talking point it is....

[Kool Kitty]

33. You're right and I don't believe that she

was on meds when she made the comment about Jackson in 1988.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Yep. Right here on DU:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5009379#5034001

[Amerigo Vespucci]

9. I've never been particularly fond of Ms. Ferraro...

...I thought, in very general and uneducated terms, that I understood what she was attempting in 1984.

But I also owned a TV, so I saw her and heard her and just didn't like her.

At all.

Some day, in a perfect world, Barbara Boxer might be ready to run for President. On that day, Skinner will not need to limit GD-P to 3 posts a day.



:patriot:

[CreekDog]

16. Boxer was stronger in California than HRC has been in New York

And New York is more liberal than our state.

ergo, Boxer would have been the stronger candidate and I would've been happy to vote for her in the primary.

and despite being an actual liberal, unlike HRC, making tough votes in a state that is not easy for her, she speaks her mind --and the voters have backed her since 1992.

Barbara speaks for me :applause: (although not on her primary choice):dilemma:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

18. now there's a great woman (Barbara Boxer)who should run for president

She has been great on the issues, and courageous!

[Cha]

13. I wasn't paying attention to politics

back then but it's important to know that poor geraldine hasn't learned anything in 20 years and no wonder she supports hilary.

[David Zephyr]

31. Well, zidzi, their cover is now blown for good.

What cynical and vile people this couple turned out to be. Now we know them for who they truly are.

John McCain would never stoop to the racism that the Clintons have consistently employed now.

Simply vile.

[Catherina]

37. Because when the hoods come off, they come off good. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. who'd a thunk that some of the worst racists would be DEMS?

I guess its all part of the "If I can't have it no one can" strategy of Hitlary.

[tabasco]

19. I am becoming extremely disillusioned with people I once respected.

How many reputations will be sacrificed on the altar of the Clintons?

[DrFunkenstein]

20. Every Day I Lose More and More Respect For The Clintons

It is very sad because I was excited for her after her Senate race. And then came the Iraq War and she didn't want to look like a wimp. But at least I still respected her.

As this race grinds on, the nasty fear-and-smear makes it harder and harder to respect her.

[Cant trust em]

24. How many times am I going to have to respond to a post like this with "I totally agree"?

How unfortunate for all of us that this wound up being this way.

[Jed Dilligan]

23. Invoking the aggrieved "reverse racism" victim mentality

and the idea that affirmative action promotes incompetent black people has always played well...

to the most thinly veiled of bigots.

[TK421]

25. My question....and I'm drunk at the moment, so forgive me if I don't make

any sense, but when did race ( or sex, for that matter ) ever become an issue in these primaries?

I have stated before in several threads that I don't give a shit if you are black or a female..I only care about your ability to LEAD this country out of the mess it is in...no matter what the cost there. I do, however, give a shit about your qualifications and your spirit based behind this party, as well as what your intentions are beyond your inauguration....

I have seen threads insinuating that certain posters are enthusiastic that Obama is even in the position he is in, and it is a ground-breaking scenario..since we've never had a black candidate running ( or a female running for office, for that matter..Hillary supporters ). I only care about the persons qualifications.....PERIOD...can we PLEASE stop throwing race and sex into this issue? While I understand it is important in an historical aspect...it does not sway voters or alter the course of history one way or another...people want change...PERIOD. They are sick and tired of the way things are run now. Don't get me wrong...I certainly don't envy the next person in office ( no, don't worry...it WON'T be McCain ) responsibility to clean up the mess of the last eight years this idiot-in-chief has left us. I don't envy that position one bit. Whomever it may be, I think we will be standing by this persons efforts in changing things for the better four years from now, and hopefully it will be up to our standards.....

Hopefully...until then, I have to give my vote where I feel it counts the most

The race-sex issue only pushes people away from the Democratic Party....they will only associate it with the "liberal" ultra-left wing, want change NOW no matter what the cost...because ALL of us want the same thing...it seems some of us have a different way of approaching the matter.

[mac2]

26. Who cares what she thinks?

She's looking or a new job.

[David Zephyr]

32. CreekDog, there's no benefit of the doubt anymore. The racism is intentional.

And the Clintons now have made racism the hallmark of their 2008 campaign.

This one goes into the history books.

[Unsane]

34. According to Ferraro, when CAN'T a black candidate running for pres not "be where he is because

he's black"? When does her standard ever NOT apply?

[Catherina]

36. I'm not mad. I want the Obama campaign to take my donation & write her a check

the same goes for every single racist intentionally hiding behind 'sexism' on this forum.

[phrigndumass]

38. Why do you hate God?

:sarcasm:

And why are you mad at hell? What did hell ever do to you?

Oh, mad "as" hell ... nevermind.

What the hell, K&R!

[lligrd]

39. Hard To Believe The Democrats Ever Ran Her For VP

What were they thinking? And what the hell is with Hillary, who has benefited so much from black support all these year? Does she want to win so badly that she will now promote racism?

[Lerkfish]

41. yes, she wants to win that badly

it certainly should infuriate the african american population, who supported her husband previously, to be told they cannot make rational decisions when they vote.
It should also infuriate the hispanic and latino population, who supported her husband previously, to be told they are too racist to consider a black candidate and be called a "firewall".

Never in my memory have I seen a more racially divisive campaign run, and that it is allow a DEMOCRATIC campaign is unconscionable.

[mmonk]

42. Divide and conquer. Old strategy many pols eventually gravitate

to if things aren't going the way they envisioned. It was successful during the 60's. Usually one sees it in a general election as opposed to a primary election. That's what makes it more dangerous for our party this go around.