Maybe Obama should drop out

[cali]

If Hillary keeps up the burning down the dem house tactics and continues playing to racists, he'll become unelectable. Perhaps at that point he should just let her have the disaster she's created. Let her have her own pile of shit. He can endorse her and then just ignore her. Let her get smashed by McCain. I'll vote for her but make no mistake, in destroying Obama she's destroying herself and making herself unelectable if she is the nominee this year. I'm now on board with those who think that Hilly isn't in it to win anymore, but to destroy Obama and set herself up for 2012. Perhaps he should let her be destroyed by her own detestable machinations.

[Birthmark]

1. That would be change I could believe in.

But I don't expect it to happen.

[Seeker30]

2. Ummm...ok

Sounds good to me

[cali]

9. Me too. If hilly continues with her vile tactics

and destroys both of them, and he drops our, she'll be completely smashed in the general. Although it would be sad to see McCain in the White House, it would be some comfort watching her reap her own shit and become the most despised democrat in the country. And we'd be rid of the Clintons forever.

[wndycty]

3. If she wins the Dem primary by appealing to racists I will not vote for her. . .

. . .I will take my chances with John McCain (who I will not vote for), as an African American I CANNOT support a party or a candidate that panders to racists to win elections. I will not vote for Hillary if she panders to racists, I will not vote for McCain because we know the GOP panders to racists.

[jmg257]

4. She won't destroy him. And I will NOT let her despicable tactics deny us to support the one WE want

to represent us. Bullshit on that.

I am done voting for "the lesser of 2 evils", THAT is what Obama's hope & change is all about!

[Hepburn]

8. Yep....

....way too many LDA electios for way too many years.

LDA = Least Detrimental Alternative.

[Rockholm]

38. He won't destroy her. And I will NOT let his despicable tactics deny us to support the one WE want

I am voting for the one I want, not one thrown down my throat.

[marshall]

5. What if he ran as an independent?

Or just started his own party?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. that would be a real problem for the Democratic Party

[Kittycat]

31. What Democratic party?

With Hillary at the helm, we're no longer the Democratic party. We're a left of center wing of the Republican Neo-Con party (AKA the DLC).

[C_U_L8R]

6. This is a two person race and only one is losing.

Hillary.

[bettyellen]

7. if he can't survive the primary, he was never viable. period.

blaming hilary for his own failings is total bullshit. but it's a nice pre emptive move on your part.

[cali]

10. She won't survive the general if

she continues destroying the dem party And it would be some comfort to see the Clintons tossed on the ash heap of history.

[codeindigo]

23. SHE'S not destroying it!

It's people like YOU who spread rumors and "VILE" assertions..innuendos...that are responsible for this mess. THE Obama's started the RACE issue! fucking period!!!!!!

[last_texas_dem]

30. Do you have an example of how THE Obama's (sic)

started (?) the race issue? I don't recall race being much of an issue until the lead-up to the SC primary with Bill Clinton's comments. Is there some event that I'm forgetting?

[bettyellen]

34. I don't think either of them can. He is a sucker for allowing this to get so nasty.

No one will respect him because of his foolish nasty short sighted surrogates have laid a line of breadcrumbs back to BO's house. The race baiting they started. Idiots, it's a shame, the bs spewed. i'm glad my state will be blue with or without me.

[last_texas_dem]

13. Not being able to survive a primary doesn't necessarily have much to do

with strength in the general election. Consider how McCain was destroyed by Bush in the '00 primaries, but it seems quite likely that McCain would have been a stronger candidate in the general election than Bush was.

[bettyellen]

33. i know that and you know that- but they'll blame Hillary for all the nastiness, when Obama is rippin

the party to hreds very nicely on his own. Equally as guilty.
Thi sblame Hil stuff is just showing BO's supporters have clay feet.

[pampango]

22. What if she doesn't survive the primary? Was she never viable to begin with?

She should not be blamed for his own failings, nor he for hers, but all candidates should be blamed (or credited) with their own campaign tactics. If either candidate stokes racial fears and resentments for partisan gain, they should be blamed for that.

[Lint Head]

11. People who vote for war and think destruction is the answer to

everything will eventually be destroyted themselves. :dem:

[LisaL]

12. Of course it's rather obvious none of the republicans would

have ever said a negative word about Obama, if not for Hillary.
Give me a break.

[TeamsterDem]

14. So it's okay for Democrats to race-bait each other, then?

n/t

[Tesha]

15. I'd only sign on to this if *ALL* the DLCers agreed to commit seppuku afterwards.

Every stinking one of them that have foisted cloaked-
Republicanism on us since Bill Clinton in 1992.

Tesha

[TwilightGardener]

16. Sometimes I feel that way too--I veer between feeling pretty sure he will

be the nominee and feeling as though she's not going to stop with her shit until August, so that Obama will be irreparably damaged. If she wins that way, I will vote for McCain.

[theboss]

17. I am 40 percent sure she will keep pushing until August

In February, I assume that this would all be over after March 4. Obviously, I was wrong.

She is clearly in it until PA, and even a big win in PA doesn't give her the lead...so she must be planning on going beyond that. And, really, the next move after PA is at the convention.

Buckle up for 5 months of fun.

[Fox Mulder]

18. Uh, no.

She should drop out.

[greguganus]

20. She's damaged and will never get elected for anything again. n/t

[Medusa]

24. Oh I bet the people of NY will keep her in the Senate as long as she wants

they were dumb enough to elect her to the seat to begin with when she had ZERO prior experience as an elected politician. I think her reputation within the Dem party is shot to hell though.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

21. she said 'I'm in and I'm in to win' - not all people in always win

I think the mood of the country has changed in the last 3 or 4 years. Hillary is passe.

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[cali]

26. maybe you should shut your mouth

What a deranged and vile thing to say. Sick. You need help if you're confusing my OP with the wish to see Clinton assassinated. I don't like her at all. I don't like how she's campaigned at all, but I certainly wish her no harm, and I've made it clear I'd vote for her. YOU are posting sick shit when you make such comments.

[mod mom]

29. MODS THIS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED!

[Bluerthanblue]

27. that would be like voting for McCain. I hope he doesn't

Though I could hardly blame him.



What a world-?!

peace~

[mod mom]

28. I'll opt to leave the party rather than take it back generations with race baiting & fear mongering.

I believe she's figures if she can't win then divide the party and destroy it. I don't honestly believe she can EVER win the democratic nomination after her despicable campaign actions. Neolibs have ties to neocons-I won't be a part of it.

[NorthernSpy]

35. me too -- let the bastards have it...

If that's how it's going to be.

[scheming daemons]

32. I have more confidence in him, cali.... she can't destroy him.... he's out of her league...

...and she knows it.

[Cha]

36. I do too..thanks for being

the voice of reason.

[LWolf]

37. I think they should both drop out. Best case scenario. n/t

[XemaSab]

39. The more time passes

the more I just want to see the Clintons just totally disappear. I never want to see either of those assholes again.

Maybe we could pass the hat and buy them 2 one-way tickets to Turkmenistan or something? :shrug:

[ecstatic]

40. That would be sad. I think Obama is very sincere and can change this

country for the better. I saw his biography the other day and I truly believe he is a good person. But I think Hillary has turned this race into something disgusting.

[JackORoses]

41. This is the stupidest post I have ever seen you make.

Why don't we just all move out of the Country and let George Bush be King?

Goddamn this is lame of you.

[Tatiana]

42. It looks so ugly when you put it in print, but yeah... I almost feel that way.

I've been thinking of late, just give Clinton the MI and FL delegates. Why not? Let's give Obama the chance to prove that he, like so many other African-Americans in this country, start out at a disadvantage and have to work twice as hard to achieve success.

I respected Ferraro. I respected Hillary and Bill Clinton. I had enormous respect for Wes Clark and Joe Wilson. To a certain extent, I still do, for their past achievements and their respective positive contributions that they have made to our society. But their comments of late have forever tarnished their images in my mind.

Think back to the time before Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama. I think he was honestly planning to stay out of it and not endorse. But Kennedy is a smart man. He saw what the Clinton strategy was going to be. He warned Bill (because honestly, I think Bill, and to a lesser extent Penn. is the architect of this "Archie Bunker" appeal) not to campaign with this brand of politics. The Clintons said, "Who, me?" and Bill went on an apology tour of black churches after SC. We thought that was an aberration. But Kennedy knew. He knew more of it was to come and that's why he came out and endorsed Obama in the biggest way possible. Teddy saw this coming.

Unfortunately, many like myself didn't. This isn't just fracturing the Democratic party. This is pitting neighbor against neighbor, coworker against coworker, family against family and friend against friend. It's the ugliest type of politics I have ever seen among people who damn well know better. I'm tempted to say let them have it all. Let them have the party, let them have the nomination, let them incur the wrath of all citizens who expected better of them.

[stillcool]

43. No. Let her have her race war.