A question Hillary supporters,

[againes654]

Do you REALLY want to talk about the issues???

[Fredda Weinberg]

1. Name one n/t

[againes654]

7. Let's tackle the war first?

What is Hillary's time table? Obama's is 16 months?

[Arkansas Granny]

22. Hillary's plan is to start bringing troops home within 60 days of taking office.

She also wants to stabilize Iraq by getting American aid into the hands of the Iraqi people and appoint a high ranked UN official to help broker agreements between the different factions in the Iraqi government.

[Fredda Weinberg]

27. Then why waste each other's time? HRC has a website w/a section

for each issue

Starting Phased Redeployment within Hillary's First Days in Office: The most important part of Hillary's plan is the first: to end our military engagement in Iraq's civil war and immediately start bringing our troops home. As president, one of Hillary's first official actions would be to convene the Joint Chiefs of Staff, her Secretary of Defense, and her National Security Council. She would direct them to draw up a clear, viable plan to bring our troops home starting with the first 60 days of her Administration. She would also direct the Department of Defense and the Department of Veterans Affairs to prepare a comprehensive plan to provide the highest quality health care and benefits to every service member -- including every member of the National Guard and Reserves -- and their families.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/iraq/

And the satisfying part is, because she has a track record of helping veterans in our state, we can have confidence that she will do what she promised.

[againes654]

30. Why would you consider this a waste of time

When they start bringing troops home, and when ALL of the troops are home are two very different things.

[Fredda Weinberg]

31. You make my point for me ... we're comparing apples and oranges

Both candidates seem to understand that occupation is a bad thing to continue - but when you emphasize the word "all" that suggests you are preparing a counter argument, which I can predict three moves ahead.

So why continue this dance of words? For both of us, it's a waste of time.

Once upon a time, there was an unwritten rule that politics stopped at the continent's edge, that foreign policy would not be used for campaign advantage ... it's too easy to demagogue an issue.

How about taxes or civil rights? Government benefits and program proposals ... the boring stuff that affects us all.

[NightWatcher]

2. stop being sexist

:hide:

[liberalnurse]

3. Sure do...We have been trying

for weeks....Are ya ready now? O8)

[LSparkle]

4. Do you really think mandates for health care coverage will fly with Repugs?

I think Obama's position is more pragmatic/do-able. Telling people
they HAVE to do something is going to get tagged as "socialist
medicine" (even if in actuality it's not).

[anonymeme]

15. NO Nationwide Health Care Plan Will Work UNLESS Everybody's In It, As Hillary Has Said Repeatedly...

NO Nationwide Health Care Plan Will Work UNLESS Everybody's In It, As Hillary Has Said Repeatedly...

Obama's half-*ssed plan of only covering so many and letting everybody else fend for themselves is absurd and bound to FLOP!

Who gives a rat's rip what the Republicans will accept or talk people out of with specious rhetoric.

They won't accept Obama's plan either unless one of their big-bucks insurance providers gets in the mix and can take away a megabucks windfall from something which will be called a "compromise."

Hillary's plan is better. It covers everyone regardless and give health care to people for most of them for less than they would pay for it on their own.

[paperbag_ princess]

16. I think that the Republicans

will buy in to the individual responsibility aspect of it....they all realize that their money is already funding the uninsured emergency situations..

[Arkansas Granny]

23. I think we all realize that regardless which Democratic candidate is

elected, they will have to make some changes and compromises to get their respective health care plans through Congress. In reality, I see the mandates that Hillary calls for in her plan as similar to current enforced Social Security and Medicare taxes.

[againes654]

5. Then why did this

make the greatest page, and the fall of the DU planet? Not one Hillary supporter came to discuss?


Edited to add link--- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5040235&mesg_id=5040235

[paperbag_ princess]

17. I would have been there....sorry I missed it nt

[BOSSHOG]

6. Is this Wednesday Afternoon at the Improv??

A cult member and Eliot Spitzer walk into a bar.

[Perry Logan]

8. Experience is certainly an issue. Yet the Obama people scream when Hillary people bring it up.

[againes654]

9. not really,

There have been many Presidents that were very experienced, and failed terribly, and there have also been many that weren't as experienced, and did great things.

Hell the experience that bush has around him is staggering considering how badly they fucked things up.

I prefer change over experience.

[Political Heretic]

14. I'll talk experience any time, any place.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5014803&mesg_id=5014803

[againes654]

24. That was an excellent post

I am shocked at how few rec's it got. Shame what DU has become.

[jconner27]

10. Ok

If Obama is going to hit Hillary over the head with the Iran vote where was he at? Last time I check he didn't even vote. And if he's against the war why did he vote fund the war and he didn't even protest it with a fillbuster? Speaking on the issue Obama followers created the whole faux race baiting so do you think it was right for Obama flunkies running aound and called a former president racist when they knew what he meant?

[againes654]

13. From what I understand

no-one left in the Presidential race is really in any kind of hurry to get us out of Iraq. Obama has set a time table of 16 months, what is Clinton's time table?

As to the Iran vote, no vote is better than an aye vote, but he still should have voiced a no vote. It was his way to stay in the middle as so many politicians have to do to please the masses. I am not saying it is right or wrong, just that it is what it is.

[jconner27]

18. More lies from team Obama

1. Obama own people debunk him on a time to pull out
2. So according to you no stance is a good stance. Yeah Obama is wooing me here
3. You guys accuse Hillary to be centrist yet Obama plays the middle of the road game that's cool.

I rather see your guy go in defeat than help you get him elected.

[againes654]

20. So when Obama wins the nomination

are you going to vote for McCain?

[BooScout]

11. I don't want to talk about anything anymore....

What's the point? All I see are slams against Clinton and any Democrat that supports her. It's sort of hard for me watching the Democratic Party self destruct. And don't blame it on Clinton either. I've seen that already and it's just fucking stupid.

[againes654]

12. Ok, I was trying to actually

have a logical debate on the issues, but go ahead. Just confirms my suspicions.

[BooScout]

19. what issues? Name one?

Your post wasn't about issues, it was about baiting people. If you wanted to talk issues, you might have actually talked about one in your OP. ......lice the economy, health care, foreign policy, etc.....but you didn't mention one single issue now did you?

Oh and btw, if you or I posted a post on an actual issue it would more than likely sink like a stone. They do all the time.

[againes654]

21. You fail to understand the reasoning behind my post

Earlier today, I did write a post about the issues. It did sink like a stone. So this time I asked before I typed out 6 fucking paragraphs for them to sink to the bottom of the line.

Like I said it confirms my suspicions that Clinton people don't want to talk about the issues any more than some Obama people I see here. All people want to do here anymore is bitch and moan and throw stones. Well I am sick of it. I used to come here for news, but that is hard anymore.

[BlackVelvet04]

26. The reason you didn't get responses probably has to do with the fact

many Clinton supporters aren't bothering with GD: P at all any more. The whole 1st page most of today was filled with threads doing nothing but bashing Hillary.

[TK421]

25. What a vague post...usually someone who posts something like this will

list specifics, like what particular issue you want to hear about? I don't think anyone here could list every issue relevant to your post...but if you could give specifics it would be greatly appreciated...

Thanks! :hi:

[Perry Logan]

28. I'm guessing they're drowning in slime.

[intaglio]

29. I have noticed that many of the extreme Hillary crowd

do not fight battles on substance but only use discredited slander, ad hominem attacks and unsupported allegations of bigotry. A few Obama supporters do the same but most seemed to have been cleared out. Indeed, because many of the Obama camp have come from other campaigns there is a general recognition that Obama is not perfect and that he has made mistakes; suggest those ideas to some of the wilder preachers of the Clinton cause and you will receive nothing but attacks and ignores.

There are the good ones in the Clinton camp (OperationMindCrime's recent call for the Clinton campaign to condemn outright Ferraro's racism springs to mind) but many seem to have become fixated upon either the Feminist issue or Clinton pre-eminence