Why does Obama keep attacking Hillary if it is all over?

[jackson_dem]

90% of Obamites claim it is all over. So why does Obama keep hammering at Hillary and thereby further dividing the Democratic party? Why doesn't he do what McCain did with Huckabee after Super Tuesday when it was effectively over and just ignore her? The irony is for all the breathless crying about Hillary trying to sabotage Obama, because she has no shot and just wants the rethugs to win (idiotic but a common theory in the blogosphere), the corollary is Obama is dividing the party against a candidate who no longer is a threat. That means Obama is as "closet rethug" as Hillary--if you are intellectually consistent, but a certain beverage saves you from such cognitive dissonance.

Op edited to remove "viciously." Obamanation obsessed over a word without explaining why Obama is attacking a candidate they claim is done. Apparently Obamanation thinks calling Hillary a racist, liar, and fraud on experience is gentle. That is what we will get from Obama's new politics!

[rndmprsn]

1. sounds like an excuse for thinking to me...

you presume a lot...lets just leave it at that =]

[anonymous171]

2. You know what they do to animals when they get rabies?

Not trying to compare Hillary to an animal, but her campaign has gone rabid. Time to get out the shotgun.

[jillan]

12. Who are you comparing to a dog with rabies? Because if you were referring to Hillary

than you are more sick than I previously thought.

[anonymous171]

14. I edited it because it was a bit too inflammatory.

[NastyRiffraff]

69. A bit too inflammatory?

And this is NOT inflammatory?

"Time to get out the shotgun."

[Cali_Democrat]

18. HAHAHAHAHA

:rofl:

[marshall]

22. I prefer to think of it as an intervention that is long overdue

The campaign has lost its collective mind. Someone with some common sense needs to step in and straighten the mess out.

[niceypoo]

71. Obama has nothing but attacking Hillary, that is his whole campaign

He articulates no policy, all he ever talks about is Hillary.

He is running not as Barack Obama, but as the 'Anti-Hillary.'

[anonymous171]

74. You obviously haven't been up on the news lately.

Obama runs on a platform of "Hope and Change." Hillary now runs on a hybrid "experience" platform and a "Obama will kill us all" platform.

[elixir]

103. Nice one

[quantass]

113. Wow, i do find it very, very interesting that BOTH sides see things differently...

Although i am an Obama supporter i do feel some pitty towards Hillary supporters because we are both on the same side but with different candidates. For me, i noticed that Hillary was the one doing the down and dirty politics and Obama was the one sitting aloof for such a long time and FINALLY has now gone on the offensivce to counter hillary, something many of us here were saying he must do since Hillary is whatr cost him OH and TX....so i commend Obama for stepping out of his clean politics a bit and attacking hillary "WITH FACTS".....I really hope Hillary fans will still support Obama whewn the smooke clears because we do really care about all of you despite the domestic in-fighting ... lol, its like a regular o'hubby and wife thing

[cbayer]

117. I really don't hear that from him.

I hear that from some of his supporters on this site, but not really from him.

But I don't hear Obama bashing from her either, so maybe it's me.

[quantass]

111. Hilarious Analogy! Spot on

[cbayer]

118. Do you really think so?

I think it's disgusting.

[cbayer]

115. Uh, that's a really disgusting analogy.

All of it.

How in the world have you posted an average of 45 post a day, every day, for the last 24 days?

[againes654]

3. I guess I missed it

Where is the vicious attack?

[youknowmenotdlc]

4. Could you give me an example of these "vicious" attacks?

Example please.

[jillan]

5. And since the race is over, why can't he close the deal already?

Hmmmm.

[Mooney]

23. Because she has 16 years of name recognition

and party machinery to prop her up while Obama had to build a coalition from scratch, which takes a while?

What do I win?

[dchill]

6. Uh, because Hillary doesn't seem to get...

that it's over. What would you have him do?

[gmudem]

7. What attacks?

Clinton is the one doing all the attacking here. Obama is just calling her out on them.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. "Why does Obama keep viciously attacking Hillary..."

:rofl:

You're good!

:rofl:

Um... wait. You're NOT kidding???

:(<- for you.

[Occam Bandage]

25. Why does OP keep viciously beating his wife?

[JVS]

31. Dude, that's not how you do it. You phrase the question "when did/ will...."

So that they either have no answer (implies they're still doing it) or they say a date which is an admission of guilt

[Occam Bandage]

39. Two points.

1. The question is equally unanswerable without admitting guilt with a "why" than with a "when."
2. It's the closest possible rephrasing of both the OP and the post I was replying to.

[DearAbby]

52. I dont believe he does....as far as I know...I am taking this at his word n/t

[DJ13]

9. If he stood there without responding you'd say he's weak

When he responds you complain he's attacking.

You're never happy.

[jackson_dem]

15. Why respond to an irrelevant entity? He should be running his GE campaign now, right?

Or are Obamites deep down aware it isn't over? Or do they just enjoy dividing the party and thereby helping the rethugs, the party of many "Obamites"?

[DJ13]

24. Why respond to an irrelevant entity?

Gee, you're right for once.

My reply is below:

[jackson_dem]

33. I bet you were fairly intelligent before you began drinking kool aid

[Occam Bandage]

28. The swiftboaters were "irrelevant," too. They weren't going to win anything.

Just like how Kerry needed to fight the swiftboaters to beat Bush, Obama now has to fight Hillary in order to beat McCain.

[cali]

49. Nobody says she an irrelevant entity but YOU

He has to respond to attacks, despite the fact that he will, barring some catastrophe be the nominee. But of course, that's not even what your pile of shit OP claimed. He can't let himself be framed by hllly and her minions.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

10. Nice try.

[book_worm]

11. "viciously attack" It's the Clinton campaign which has been throwing the kitchen sink

which is why most voters in the primary states when asked in exit polls who has run the most negative campaign point to Hillary.

[jackson_dem]

21. What does Hill have to do with the OP and Obama's tactics?

No Obamite has been able to answer the question. Either she is still very much alive or Obama is working to divide the party. Whether he is doing it intentionally is unclear. He probably isn't but we know the rethug msm has basically made him what he is...

[Mooney]

30. Because your premise is wrong.

It's predicated on the notion that Obama is "viciously attacking" HRC. He isn't.

If your initial post were accurate, people would be able to respond more to your liking.

[jackson_dem]

36. Semantics. Obama is attacking her. Why? She is done, right?

Which is it Obamanation?

[anonymous171]

50. See post #2. That's the reason.

He's trying to put her down.

[Mooney]

110. Apparently, she's not done.

I haven't challenged her right to remain in the race for as long as she thinks her candidacy is viable. She's perfectly within her rights to do that. And unless I'm mistaken, I don't think Obama or anyone in his campaign has characterized her campaign as "done."

I'm also not a spokesperson for "Obamanation." There are people closely affiliated with the Obama campaign who might better answer your question than one random guy on a message board could.

[Occam Bandage]

"No Obamite has been able to answer the question."

This is my favorite thing about your posts. You ask Obama supporters to reply, you ignore any posts that actually reply to your question, and then you complain that no Obama supporters have been able to answer the question.

[cali]

51. yep. obvious tactic of

the OP, and completely transparent.

[jean627]

73. And I haven't seen any explanation

for the argument that he has "attacked Hillary since day one". Care to explain that with specifics?

His responding to Hillary's attacks on him do not count, imo.

[BOSSHOG]

13. The intellectually consistent cultist

Interesting! And good point My Friend

[enid602]

16. Tokyo Rose

Get rid of all opposition before anything more surfaces re: Rezko. Therefore, we get these daily, unending Tokyo Rose-like diatribes pushing Hillary's withdrawal from the race. Very tedious; I don't see how they can keep it up day after day after day.

[Occam Bandage]

17. He has to respond to direct attacks. Otherwise they ferment, like Kerry's swiftboaters.

[gravity]

19. Because Hillary is using Republican attacks against Obama

and Obama needs to defend himself for the General election against McCain.

If Hillary ran a clean campaign, Obama would just turn the other way, but he can't right now.

[jackson_dem]

27. Hillary ran the cleanest campaign in 2007. Why did Obama go after her from day ONE?

Hillary isn't using rethug attacks. Obama being inexperienced isn't an observation limited to one party. It is a fact. He would be the least experienced, least accomplished president ever.

[gravity]

38. She was clean until she through the kitchen sink at him

Obama did not need to go after Clinton until she started attacking him personally.

[jackson_dem]

70. So why did he attack her right out the gate in 2007?

Is he evil or was he doing what a candidate who is losing naturally does to the front-runner, except that Obama claims he is different from normal politicians?

[gravity]

80. Enlighten me about these attacks

[jackson_dem]

88. Did you just start following the campaign?

[mtnsnake]

93. You can't be serious. Even if you only watched the debates you would have seen some

that were initiated by Obama. Even Kucinich stood right up and pointed out how hypocritical Obama was when Obama tried to attack Hillary during one of the early debates. I'm sure you can find a re-run of some of the debates if you try. You did know that there were some debates, right?

[bunnies]

20. If you cut a snakes head off, it can still bite you.

Just saying.

[Cali_Democrat]

32. really? gross. n/t.

[bunnies]

95. I saw it on Discovery.

This dude cut a rattle snakes head off and wanted to keep it. So he was holding the head, when all the sudden, it bit him! He nearly lost his arm. ugh.

[krawhitham]

26. because he is afraid she will STEAL it

[jackson_dem]

29. How? It is over, right?

[krawhitham]

112. unless she steals it, YES

[Independent-Voter]

34. Yawn - Hillary Clinton, Perpetual Victim

[ProSense]

35. Didn't Ferraro resign her post for making racist comments? Has Hillary denounced Ferraro's comments?

n/t

[jackson_dem]

37. Who cares what an irrelevant campaign does, right?

[Occam Bandage]

41. Because her attacks get airtime, and lots of it. An attack from a moribund campaign

is just as damaging if uncontested as an attack from your primary challenger.

[cbayer]

120. Actually, she resigned because she felt she was a liability.

Or she quite possibly resigned because Clinton asked her to.

There was just a very, very interesting discussion about this on NPR.

But, I digress.

[NDambi]

40. Crack is bad ...bad...bad

[cali]

42. No links. No examples. No shit.

The big lie tactic. Obama hasn't viciously attacked Hillary. He's responded to her crap, but hardly in a vicious way. You simply pulled that OP out of your nether regions.

[jackson_dem]

47. Typical semantics. He has attacked her. Why is he doing so if she is irrelevant?

40 replies and not a single 0bamite has been able to explain their inconsistency. More proof of the...

[cali]

56. LOL. Keep parroting that inanity. It won't make it one whit truer

Plenty of germane responses to you- more than you deserve, actually. Your OP is a straw man, and you dear, are as transparent as my just washed windows.

[Occam Bandage]

58. An attack is an attack. It is damaging if it gets airplay, no matter how likely

the attacker is to win their party's nomination. He has to respond to those attacks.

[mtnsnake]

75. Since when do opinions and questions require links??????

You simply pulled that OP out of your nether regions

Can't you Obama groupies ever respond without making it about body parts?

[cali]

79. Oh, poor little hillbot, you can't

handle anything. And yes, if you claim a candidate is doing or saying something, than it's incumbent on you to provide evidence.

[mtnsnake]

87. I'm not the one ranting & raving & demanding links where none are necessary

Hey maybe you can ask me for a link to this post too (snicker)

[against all enemies]

43. What goes around comes around. Hillary should stop the attacks.

[jackson_dem]

48. Obama is so petty that he would rather attack her and divide the party than run a ge campaign?

[against all enemies]

57. Hillary is dividing the party, are you delusional?

[jackson_dem]

63. What does Hillary have to do with Obama?

I know many Obamites are trained to always bring her up but it is ridiculous.

Why doesn't Obama do what McCain did when it was effectively over on the rethug side and ignore his opponent and focus on the general election?

[against all enemies]

81. "What does Hillary have to do with Obama?" - What nonsense.

Gee, I don't know, maybe they are in the same primaries. That's why it's posted in the GD-P section. Get real.

[jean627]

82. We lost one good potential president

because of truly vicious attacks from the Republican party.

Let's hope Hillary's desperate, vicious attacks on Obama do not cause us to lose another.

[mtnsnake]

77. Are you serious? This party can thank Obama & his followers for any division we have

Only on DU would anyone think otherwise.

[against all enemies]

119. Watch Olbermann tonight, we'll see who's gone dirty.

[cali]

61. LOL!! War is peace! What an Orwellian little world you

live in- but it is fun to watch you spin such bullshit.

[JVS]

68. She had her chance to go gracefully. She chose not to. Now she has to be put out of the race.

And it's not going to be fun for you.

[JVS]

44. Because she threw the kitchen sink at him even though she has no chance.

But I don't see Obama attacking. What I see is the supporters getting pissed and calling out the bullshit like that which Ferraro spewed yesterday. Don't expect the attacks to end until she drops. Even then there might be some final shots to make sure her campaign is really dead.

[shadowknows69]

45. Just because y'all keep saying it

Doesn't mean it's happening. Repeat after me. Hillary has been doing the attacks. Reality is a land you really should visit more often.

[jackson_dem]

54. Speaking of reality, why did Mr. Positive attack her right out of the gate in 2007?

She ran a positive campaign since she was the front-runner. Why couldn't Obama, given his rhetoric about changing politics? Is he a hypocrite, liar, or both?

[shadowknows69]

62. What attacks?

[jackson_dem]

65. Just what I expected...speaking of reality...

:rofl:

[mtnsnake]

83. OMG, I suppose that was an Obama look-alike who was attacking her

Funny how he sounded just like Obama too.

[shadowknows69]

91. And I notice neither one of you came up with an example

Thanks.

[mtnsnake]

97. Seiously you jest

You're just playing around and acting stubborn. Even the most politically unprepared voter in the country would be aware of some of the attacks just by watching the debates. See post 93 for example.

[shadowknows69]

105. Seriously you can't come up with an example can you?

[mtnsnake]

108. I already did, right in this thread. I could give you hundreds more

but then you'd be almost as smart as me. lol

[DearAbby]

46. I dont see Obama "Viciously" attacking anyone

Please elaborate these vicious attacks?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

53. Where is "Obamite" on the periodic table?

Nobelium
Obamite?
Osmium


:shrug:

[NJSecularist]

55. Why does jackson_dem put everybody on ignore who calls him out on his shit?

[jackson_dem]

59. 55 replies: no Obamite can explain their induced inconsistency

[Occam Bandage]

60. And three Obamites have pointed out that you're ignoring all the responses explaining your errors.

[NJSecularist]

100. He has the people who call him out on his shit on ignore.

[Danger Mouse]

64. Nice try, chuckles.

Obama needs to address the nastiest of attacks rather than letting them fester...otherwise they'll haunt him in the GE. The Swift Boaters weren't running for anything, either, didn't make them any less damaging.

[jackson_dem]

67. Obama needs to divide the party for the general over what?

If Hill says he has little experience, which everyone outside of Obamanation recognizes, that is worth dividing the party over?

[Occam Bandage]

76. It's "dividing the party" to respond to direct attacks?

:crazy:

[Danger Mouse]

94. Hill doesn't have as much experience as she says she does.

Like, you know, she wasn't nearly as instrumental to the peace process in Northern Ireland as she says she was. Whoops!
In fact, Obama has MORE legislative experience than Hillary.
Dividing the party? What do you mean? She's the one making constant divisive attacks.

[jmg257]

66. Simple - Hillary won't give up & obviously will try ANYthing to win - kick her when she is down

if only to MAKE SURE she won't get back up just to do more damage to the party, and to him in the GE.

Kind of reminds me of a stubborn donkey, with a REALLY thick head...Supposedly she's a fighter, and it has become necessary to knock her out (politic-wise), since she won't get it that she really is just about done.

[mtnsnake]

72. I can tell you why, jackson-dem

Obama keeps attacking Hillary because there is nothing else he can talk about. It's not like he can talk about anything HE has ever accomplished....because he hasn't done squat. So, by running Hillary down and framing her as evil, he's trying to build up his own image for when PA rolls around because he knows it's all over for him and his pipers when he gets crushed a few weeks from now in in Philly and the rest of PA.

It's kind of like back-door campaigning, only he'll end up getting shown the door the day after PA.

[DefenseLawyer]

78. Do you really believe that?

I understand wishful thinking, but this is wishful thinking on crack.

[mtnsnake]

86. Why wouldn't I? It's the cold hard truth.

Obama has nothing to go on but empty rhetoric, so all he's got left in the tank is to continue attacking Hillary and dividing the party even more.

[DefenseLawyer]

92. Not that part Sparky

That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I mean the crazy part: That Obama is going to drop out after Pennsylvania. I understand that you would like that, but beyond that, what sliver of reality is there upon which any rational person would base such a crackpot assertion?

[jackson_dem]

90. How can someone win a general election with no record?

Obama has the potential to be a Dukakis-like disaster...

[mtnsnake]

99. I dont think it's possible

Maybe he can steal some of Hillary's accomplishments and claim them as his...just like he stole all her answers during the debates when she always had to answer the tough questions first.

Moderator: "And Senator Obama, same question to you"

Obama: "What Hillary said."

[Danger Mouse]

96. Anyone who says Obama doesn't have a record simply hasn't bothered to look.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4688113

[KoKo]

84. It's not Obama ...he's a Novice in this...it's the "Shadow Govt." that is

managing to infiltrate Dem Party Activists and "turn them" to "something." I don't know what the "something is" but ...7 years on this site...I know my gut instincts are on "High Alarm." :-(

[bigbrother05]

85. Why does Hillary keep attacking Obama

and dividing the party, she should just do what McCain did, and ignore him. Oh, I'm sorry she already follows McCain.

If it was Hillary Smith, she would have been gone in jan. Name recognition does not equate experience

[jackson_dem]

89. Simple: she is losing. She is doing what Obama did when he was losing

Both to Edwards and Hillary. Edwardians love Obama now. They have forgotten who smeared him in Iowa when Edwards was surging...

[jean627]

98. Is there anything more vicious and disgusting

than Hillary's ad for McCain against Obama, she and McCain have experience and Obama has a speech?

IMO, that showed how low she could stoop, into the gutter.

That was the final straw for some people that I know who were trying to keep an open mind.

[Major Hogwash]

101. "He's being mean to her", "he's trying to make her cry", "he's a bully." Oh wah!

Get a clue and stop sniffing the glue.

[JackORoses]

102. damn, you are dense. Did you miss the Kitchen Sink as it flew by?

[Independent-Voter]

104. He needs to put his foot on the throat of HRC's campaign and end this shit.

[RestoreGore]

106. Because she's a threat

Otherwise he would run his race instead of taking her bait. And he has now gotten into the mud when he had the choice to stay out. He then is no better.

[tekisui]

107. Because she won't take the hint, and gets nastier everyday.

[kwenu]

109. It's not safe for Obama, or anyone else to turn their back on the Clintons.

Lest they get stabbed. It's time for her Highness to go because we don't want another royal house.

[Recursion]

114. He doesn't. You're making shit up. Next? (nt)

[Armstead]

116. Could you cite some examples of Obama's viscious attacks?

He answers Hillary's attacks, but he's been very restrained in his responses. Too restrained, IMO.

[cbayer]

121. I think the better question is

Why do Obama supporters keep viciously attacking Clinton supporters if they believe it is all over?

I have wondered this for awhile and can only conclude that they are afraid that it is not, in fact, over.

And the Clinton supporters attack Obama supporters because they are afraid that it is, in fact, over.

Personally, I think the candidates themselves have behaved admirably. And no amount of screaming at me that my perception of them is wrong will change it.

[Tennessee Gal]

122. He knows it is not over.

[Dinger]

123. I THink We ALL Know It Is NOT Over (nt)